Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 Webster wrote: < . . . just recently a colleague of mine has been experiencing abnormal gas and she feels very uncomfortable. I took a look at her diet and it is full of Broccoli, egg whites and crystal clear water (carbonated), but it has been of this sort for the last 4 years and only now she is experiencing the discomfort.> **** Assuming she hasn't added in some supplement or MRP that she's not revealed, or a new brand of whey protein powder or more dairy, I'd suggest she pay her OB/GYN a visit. I don't want to be an alarmist, but the worst case scenario is ovarian cancer (a bloated, full feeling and gas are symptoms of this difficult to diagnose disease) and IF that is the case, then the sooner it's discovered the better. Unfortunately this often tends to be an affiliction of fairly young women. Like I said, I don't want to cause her some kind of panic, but it pays to check it out. More than likely she's added in some sort of engineered food which can be a great cause of disgestive discomfort. Rosemary Vernon, Editor www.dolfzine.com On-line Fitness Marina del Rey, CA IronRoses@... http://www.chuckietechie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 Has she started taking any new supplements or changed the dosages of supplements lately? Any medications? Birth control pills? I don't know if there are any good answers for her new condition but there are good natural treatments for the problem (ie. Beano). Trevor Cottrell Kingston, ON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 > Has she started taking any new supplements or changed the dosages of > supplements lately? Any medications? Birth control pills? I don't know > if there are any good answers for her new condition but there are good > natural treatments for the problem (ie. Beano). > > Trevor Cottrell > Kingston, ON She has tried beano and for the most part it helps. But beano works only with sugar(cho) based foods. The group of gas-producing sugars/carbohydrates called the raffinose family of oligosaccharides. Beano does not work with gluten, which, is a protein found in wheat, rye, barley, oats etc. Beano does not work on any protein to my knowledge. My uneducated guess is that it is the Carbonated waters she has been consuming lately but I dont understand why it has become such a huge discomfort. I have been informed that a normal individual flatus about 14-24 times a day she is well above this number. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. --------------------- Webster, CFC Kingston, Ontario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 > > < . . . just recently a colleague of mine has been experiencing > abnormal gas and she feels very > uncomfortable. I took a look at her diet and it is full of > Broccoli, egg whites and crystal clear water (carbonated), but it > has been of this sort for the last 4 years and only now she is > experiencing the > discomfort.> > > **** Assuming she hasn't added in some supplement or MRP that she's > not revealed, or a new brand of whey protein powder or more dairy, > I'd suggest she pay her OB/GYN a visit. I don't want to be an > alarmist, but the worst case scenario is ovarian cancer (a bloated, > full feeling and gas are symptoms of this difficult to diagnose > disease) and IF that is the case, then the sooner it's discovered > the better. Unfortunately this often tends to be an affiliction of > fairly young women. > > Like I said, I don't want to cause her some kind of panic, but it > pays to check it out. More than likely she's added in some sort of > engineered food which can be a great cause of disgestive discomfort. > > Rosemary Vernon, Editor > www.dolfzine.com > On-line Fitness > > Marina del Rey, CA > IronRoses@e... > http://www.chuckietechie.com She recently seen her family physician and he was not concerned at all with her self proclaimed ailment, but her discomfort has increased since her last visit. I have instructed her to visit with him again to be on the safe side. And she has visited with a OB/GYN and there are no problems in that area. ------------- Webster, CFC Kingston, Ontario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 ----- Original Message ----- > > She has tried beano and for the most part it helps. But beano works > only with sugar(cho) based foods. The group of gas-producing > sugars/carbohydrates called the raffinose family of > oligosaccharides. Beano does not work with gluten, which, is a > protein found in wheat, rye, barley, oats etc. Beano does not work on > any protein to my knowledge. > > My uneducated guess is that it is the Carbonated waters she has been > consuming lately but I dont understand why it has become such a huge > discomfort. I have been informed that a normal individual flatus > about 14-24 times a day she is well above this number. Any other > suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > As we age, we often become less able to tolerate the foods we enjoyed as young'uns. The sensible thing for her to do would be to eliminate all suspect foods from her diet, observe any changes, and then gradually re-introduce each suspect food at the rate of perhaps one per week. While many people do demonstrate intestinal distress when consuming particular kinds of carbs, carbonated water would be public enemy #1 in my opinion. In any case, have her experiment and see what happens. Folks suffering from IBS and related ailments often find that elimination/reduction of grain products from their diet is helpful. They follow a diet which resembles the so-called Paleo diet: lots of fruit/veg, lean protein, nuts/seeds/oils, no grain products. Fish oil supplementation can also provide some relief. She may wish to investigate this possibility. Also, what about simply consuming a product such as Gas-X or Phazyme? Krista -Dixon Toronto, ON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 , she might try digestive enzymes and HCl Acid, both available at the health food store. As we age, our digestive system slows production of necessary enzymes and HCl acid needed for digestion (along with everything else that slows down!!). Take before and/or after meals after seeing which method works better. Make sure that the enzymes have Protease-for protein digestion; amylase for CHO digestion; and lipase for lipid digestion; and lactase for milk sugars. They might help with the gas. Also, from " The Green Pharmacy, by Dr Duke " --' Any herb that soothes the digestive tract and has a reputation for minimizing gas is known as a carminative---gas relieving chemicals, most notably the compounds camphor, carvone, eugenol, menthol, and thymol.....These are especially concentrated in allspice, cloves, cornmint, caraway, dill, fennel, horsebalm, peppermint, sage and thyme.' pp200. 'The Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine by Murray, ND, and Pizzorno, ND, has a whole chapter on digestion and elimination which might be helpful. Available at most book stores. Hope this helps Charlie Newkerk, C.S.C.S. Rockldge, Fl Re: Gas? > > > > > < . . . just recently a colleague of mine has been experiencing > > abnormal gas and she feels very > > uncomfortable. I took a look at her diet and it is full of > > Broccoli, egg whites and crystal clear water (carbonated), but it > > has been of this sort for the last 4 years and only now she is > > experiencing the > > discomfort.> > > > > **** Assuming she hasn't added in some supplement or MRP that she's > > not revealed, or a new brand of whey protein powder or more dairy, > > I'd suggest she pay her OB/GYN a visit. I don't want to be an > > alarmist, but the worst case scenario is ovarian cancer (a bloated, > > full feeling and gas are symptoms of this difficult to diagnose > > disease) and IF that is the case, then the sooner it's discovered > > the better. Unfortunately this often tends to be an affiliction of > > fairly young women. > > > > Like I said, I don't want to cause her some kind of panic, but it > > pays to check it out. More than likely she's added in some sort of > > engineered food which can be a great cause of disgestive discomfort. > > > > Rosemary Vernon, Editor > > www.dolfzine.com > > On-line Fitness > > > > Marina del Rey, CA > > IronRoses@e... > > http://www.chuckietechie.com > > She recently seen her family physician and he was not concerned at > all with her self proclaimed ailment, but her discomfort has > increased since her last visit. I have instructed her to visit with > him again to be on the safe side. And she has visited with a OB/GYN > and there are no problems in that area. > > ------------- > Webster, CFC > Kingston, Ontario > > > > > Modify or cancel your subscription here: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you > wish them to be published! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 , she might try digestive enzymes and HCl Acid, both available at the health food store. As we age, our digestive system slows production of necessary enzymes and HCl acid needed for digestion (along with everything else that slows down!!). Take before and/or after meals after seeing which method works better. Make sure that the enzymes have Protease-for protein digestion; amylase for CHO digestion; and lipase for lipid digestion; and lactase for milk sugars. They might help with the gas. Also, from " The Green Pharmacy, by Dr Duke " --' Any herb that soothes the digestive tract and has a reputation for minimizing gas is known as a carminative---gas relieving chemicals, most notably the compounds camphor, carvone, eugenol, menthol, and thymol.....These are especially concentrated in allspice, cloves, cornmint, caraway, dill, fennel, horsebalm, peppermint, sage and thyme.' pp200. 'The Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine by Murray, ND, and Pizzorno, ND, has a whole chapter on digestion and elimination which might be helpful. Available at most book stores. Hope this helps Charlie Newkerk, C.S.C.S. Rockldge, Fl Re: Gas? > > > > > < . . . just recently a colleague of mine has been experiencing > > abnormal gas and she feels very > > uncomfortable. I took a look at her diet and it is full of > > Broccoli, egg whites and crystal clear water (carbonated), but it > > has been of this sort for the last 4 years and only now she is > > experiencing the > > discomfort.> > > > > **** Assuming she hasn't added in some supplement or MRP that she's > > not revealed, or a new brand of whey protein powder or more dairy, > > I'd suggest she pay her OB/GYN a visit. I don't want to be an > > alarmist, but the worst case scenario is ovarian cancer (a bloated, > > full feeling and gas are symptoms of this difficult to diagnose > > disease) and IF that is the case, then the sooner it's discovered > > the better. Unfortunately this often tends to be an affiliction of > > fairly young women. > > > > Like I said, I don't want to cause her some kind of panic, but it > > pays to check it out. More than likely she's added in some sort of > > engineered food which can be a great cause of disgestive discomfort. > > > > Rosemary Vernon, Editor > > www.dolfzine.com > > On-line Fitness > > > > Marina del Rey, CA > > IronRoses@e... > > http://www.chuckietechie.com > > She recently seen her family physician and he was not concerned at > all with her self proclaimed ailment, but her discomfort has > increased since her last visit. I have instructed her to visit with > him again to be on the safe side. And she has visited with a OB/GYN > and there are no problems in that area. > > ------------- > Webster, CFC > Kingston, Ontario > > > > > Modify or cancel your subscription here: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you > wish them to be published! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 , she might try digestive enzymes and HCl Acid, both available at the health food store. As we age, our digestive system slows production of necessary enzymes and HCl acid needed for digestion (along with everything else that slows down!!). Take before and/or after meals after seeing which method works better. Make sure that the enzymes have Protease-for protein digestion; amylase for CHO digestion; and lipase for lipid digestion; and lactase for milk sugars. They might help with the gas. Also, from " The Green Pharmacy, by Dr Duke " --' Any herb that soothes the digestive tract and has a reputation for minimizing gas is known as a carminative---gas relieving chemicals, most notably the compounds camphor, carvone, eugenol, menthol, and thymol.....These are especially concentrated in allspice, cloves, cornmint, caraway, dill, fennel, horsebalm, peppermint, sage and thyme.' pp200. 'The Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine by Murray, ND, and Pizzorno, ND, has a whole chapter on digestion and elimination which might be helpful. Available at most book stores. Hope this helps Charlie Newkerk, C.S.C.S. Rockldge, Fl Re: Gas? > > > > > < . . . just recently a colleague of mine has been experiencing > > abnormal gas and she feels very > > uncomfortable. I took a look at her diet and it is full of > > Broccoli, egg whites and crystal clear water (carbonated), but it > > has been of this sort for the last 4 years and only now she is > > experiencing the > > discomfort.> > > > > **** Assuming she hasn't added in some supplement or MRP that she's > > not revealed, or a new brand of whey protein powder or more dairy, > > I'd suggest she pay her OB/GYN a visit. I don't want to be an > > alarmist, but the worst case scenario is ovarian cancer (a bloated, > > full feeling and gas are symptoms of this difficult to diagnose > > disease) and IF that is the case, then the sooner it's discovered > > the better. Unfortunately this often tends to be an affiliction of > > fairly young women. > > > > Like I said, I don't want to cause her some kind of panic, but it > > pays to check it out. More than likely she's added in some sort of > > engineered food which can be a great cause of disgestive discomfort. > > > > Rosemary Vernon, Editor > > www.dolfzine.com > > On-line Fitness > > > > Marina del Rey, CA > > IronRoses@e... > > http://www.chuckietechie.com > > She recently seen her family physician and he was not concerned at > all with her self proclaimed ailment, but her discomfort has > increased since her last visit. I have instructed her to visit with > him again to be on the safe side. And she has visited with a OB/GYN > and there are no problems in that area. > > ------------- > Webster, CFC > Kingston, Ontario > > > > > Modify or cancel your subscription here: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you > wish them to be published! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 , I would think that the enzymes are shortlived and maybe the production of her enzymes is decreasing with age, possibly with the HCl. I take the enzymes with each meal (I am 51) but am not a slave if I miss a meal or two or on vacation. Try the enzymes and see if they make a difference and then experiment with and without them. They basically are raw materials for aiding the digestion process and I dont think that they will replace the natural production but augment it and I am trying to find research to verify. As others posted, the problem may be also a food allergy to the carbonated water if she drinks it to exclusion of other beverages. As others posted, try eliminating all suspected food and go to a bland diet sans carbonated water, milk products, yeast products (bread, chips, etc), etc., maybe eating only chicken and salads for a week and then reintroducing one of the above foods every two days and if its results in the gas, eliminate it from the diet. Elson M Haas, MD, has a book 'False Fat Diet' in which he goes into the food allergy problem and a possible solution. The Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine, suggests the Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis (CDSA) which 'is a battery of integrated diagnostic labroratory tests that evaluate digestion, intestinal function, intestinal environment, and absorption by carefully examining the stool' so that the problem can be diagnosed as the factors in digestion are myriad and related. Start with the simple tests either adding the enzymes ( at a cost of less than 50 cents a day) and the elimination diet to find the culprits, and then progress to the CDSA if these measures fail. The health professional she uses should be able to order the CDSA. Charlie Newkerk, C.S.C.S. Rockledge, Fl Re: Gas? > Charlie, Thanks for the advice. I was wondering though, if she > decides to take digestive enzymes is there a possibility her body > will adapt to these and not produce them naturally anymore? > > Webster, CFC > Kingston, Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > < . . . just recently a colleague of mine has been experiencing > > > > abnormal gas and she feels very > > > > uncomfortable. I took a look at her diet and it is full of > > > > Broccoli, egg whites and crystal clear water (carbonated), but > it > > > > has been of this sort for the last 4 years and only now she is > > > > experiencing the > > > > discomfort.> > > > > > > > > **** Assuming she hasn't added in some supplement or MRP that > she's > > > > not revealed, or a new brand of whey protein powder or more > dairy, > > > > I'd suggest she pay her OB/GYN a visit. I don't want to be an > > > > alarmist, but the worst case scenario is ovarian cancer (a > bloated, > > > > full feeling and gas are symptoms of this difficult to diagnose > > > > disease) and IF that is the case, then the sooner it's > discovered > > > > the better. Unfortunately this often tends to be an > affiliction of > > > > fairly young women. > > > > > > > > Like I said, I don't want to cause her some kind of panic, but > it > > > > pays to check it out. More than likely she's added in some > sort of > > > > engineered food which can be a great cause of disgestive > discomfort. > > > > > > > > Rosemary Vernon, Editor > > > > www.dolfzine.com > > > > On-line Fitness > > > > > > > > Marina del Rey, CA > > > > IronRoses@e... > > > > http://www.chuckietechie.com > > > > > > She recently seen her family physician and he was not concerned at > > > all with her self proclaimed ailment, but her discomfort has > > > increased since her last visit. I have instructed her to visit > with > > > him again to be on the safe side. And she has visited with a > OB/GYN > > > and there are no problems in that area. > > > > > > ------------- > > > Webster, CFC > > > Kingston, Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Modify or cancel your subscription here: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > > > > > Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of > residence if > > you > > > wish them to be published! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 , I would think that the enzymes are shortlived and maybe the production of her enzymes is decreasing with age, possibly with the HCl. I take the enzymes with each meal (I am 51) but am not a slave if I miss a meal or two or on vacation. Try the enzymes and see if they make a difference and then experiment with and without them. They basically are raw materials for aiding the digestion process and I dont think that they will replace the natural production but augment it and I am trying to find research to verify. As others posted, the problem may be also a food allergy to the carbonated water if she drinks it to exclusion of other beverages. As others posted, try eliminating all suspected food and go to a bland diet sans carbonated water, milk products, yeast products (bread, chips, etc), etc., maybe eating only chicken and salads for a week and then reintroducing one of the above foods every two days and if its results in the gas, eliminate it from the diet. Elson M Haas, MD, has a book 'False Fat Diet' in which he goes into the food allergy problem and a possible solution. The Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine, suggests the Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis (CDSA) which 'is a battery of integrated diagnostic labroratory tests that evaluate digestion, intestinal function, intestinal environment, and absorption by carefully examining the stool' so that the problem can be diagnosed as the factors in digestion are myriad and related. Start with the simple tests either adding the enzymes ( at a cost of less than 50 cents a day) and the elimination diet to find the culprits, and then progress to the CDSA if these measures fail. The health professional she uses should be able to order the CDSA. Charlie Newkerk, C.S.C.S. Rockledge, Fl Re: Gas? > Charlie, Thanks for the advice. I was wondering though, if she > decides to take digestive enzymes is there a possibility her body > will adapt to these and not produce them naturally anymore? > > Webster, CFC > Kingston, Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > < . . . just recently a colleague of mine has been experiencing > > > > abnormal gas and she feels very > > > > uncomfortable. I took a look at her diet and it is full of > > > > Broccoli, egg whites and crystal clear water (carbonated), but > it > > > > has been of this sort for the last 4 years and only now she is > > > > experiencing the > > > > discomfort.> > > > > > > > > **** Assuming she hasn't added in some supplement or MRP that > she's > > > > not revealed, or a new brand of whey protein powder or more > dairy, > > > > I'd suggest she pay her OB/GYN a visit. I don't want to be an > > > > alarmist, but the worst case scenario is ovarian cancer (a > bloated, > > > > full feeling and gas are symptoms of this difficult to diagnose > > > > disease) and IF that is the case, then the sooner it's > discovered > > > > the better. Unfortunately this often tends to be an > affiliction of > > > > fairly young women. > > > > > > > > Like I said, I don't want to cause her some kind of panic, but > it > > > > pays to check it out. More than likely she's added in some > sort of > > > > engineered food which can be a great cause of disgestive > discomfort. > > > > > > > > Rosemary Vernon, Editor > > > > www.dolfzine.com > > > > On-line Fitness > > > > > > > > Marina del Rey, CA > > > > IronRoses@e... > > > > http://www.chuckietechie.com > > > > > > She recently seen her family physician and he was not concerned at > > > all with her self proclaimed ailment, but her discomfort has > > > increased since her last visit. I have instructed her to visit > with > > > him again to be on the safe side. And she has visited with a > OB/GYN > > > and there are no problems in that area. > > > > > > ------------- > > > Webster, CFC > > > Kingston, Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Modify or cancel your subscription here: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > > > > > Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of > residence if > > you > > > wish them to be published! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 , I would think that the enzymes are shortlived and maybe the production of her enzymes is decreasing with age, possibly with the HCl. I take the enzymes with each meal (I am 51) but am not a slave if I miss a meal or two or on vacation. Try the enzymes and see if they make a difference and then experiment with and without them. They basically are raw materials for aiding the digestion process and I dont think that they will replace the natural production but augment it and I am trying to find research to verify. As others posted, the problem may be also a food allergy to the carbonated water if she drinks it to exclusion of other beverages. As others posted, try eliminating all suspected food and go to a bland diet sans carbonated water, milk products, yeast products (bread, chips, etc), etc., maybe eating only chicken and salads for a week and then reintroducing one of the above foods every two days and if its results in the gas, eliminate it from the diet. Elson M Haas, MD, has a book 'False Fat Diet' in which he goes into the food allergy problem and a possible solution. The Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine, suggests the Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis (CDSA) which 'is a battery of integrated diagnostic labroratory tests that evaluate digestion, intestinal function, intestinal environment, and absorption by carefully examining the stool' so that the problem can be diagnosed as the factors in digestion are myriad and related. Start with the simple tests either adding the enzymes ( at a cost of less than 50 cents a day) and the elimination diet to find the culprits, and then progress to the CDSA if these measures fail. The health professional she uses should be able to order the CDSA. Charlie Newkerk, C.S.C.S. Rockledge, Fl Re: Gas? > Charlie, Thanks for the advice. I was wondering though, if she > decides to take digestive enzymes is there a possibility her body > will adapt to these and not produce them naturally anymore? > > Webster, CFC > Kingston, Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > < . . . just recently a colleague of mine has been experiencing > > > > abnormal gas and she feels very > > > > uncomfortable. I took a look at her diet and it is full of > > > > Broccoli, egg whites and crystal clear water (carbonated), but > it > > > > has been of this sort for the last 4 years and only now she is > > > > experiencing the > > > > discomfort.> > > > > > > > > **** Assuming she hasn't added in some supplement or MRP that > she's > > > > not revealed, or a new brand of whey protein powder or more > dairy, > > > > I'd suggest she pay her OB/GYN a visit. I don't want to be an > > > > alarmist, but the worst case scenario is ovarian cancer (a > bloated, > > > > full feeling and gas are symptoms of this difficult to diagnose > > > > disease) and IF that is the case, then the sooner it's > discovered > > > > the better. Unfortunately this often tends to be an > affiliction of > > > > fairly young women. > > > > > > > > Like I said, I don't want to cause her some kind of panic, but > it > > > > pays to check it out. More than likely she's added in some > sort of > > > > engineered food which can be a great cause of disgestive > discomfort. > > > > > > > > Rosemary Vernon, Editor > > > > www.dolfzine.com > > > > On-line Fitness > > > > > > > > Marina del Rey, CA > > > > IronRoses@e... > > > > http://www.chuckietechie.com > > > > > > She recently seen her family physician and he was not concerned at > > > all with her self proclaimed ailment, but her discomfort has > > > increased since her last visit. I have instructed her to visit > with > > > him again to be on the safe side. And she has visited with a > OB/GYN > > > and there are no problems in that area. > > > > > > ------------- > > > Webster, CFC > > > Kingston, Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Modify or cancel your subscription here: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > > > > > Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of > residence if > > you > > > wish them to be published! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 So now she throws a new curve ball at me...she is unwilling to change her diet untill after her show (fitness model competition). A " bodybuilding " guru is doing her diet, while I train her (Cardio, Resistance training etc.) She has it stuck in her mind that by taking out certain foods this close to her comp (NOV 2) she will somehow throw the whole scheme off. However, I may have convinced her to use the digestive enzymes. Thanks alot to all those who responded to this inquiry. Any other comments or suggestions are still welcome. Webster, CFC Kingston, Ontario > > > > > > > > > > < . . . just recently a colleague of mine has been experiencing > > > > > abnormal gas and she feels very > > > > > uncomfortable. I took a look at her diet and it is full of > > > > > Broccoli, egg whites and crystal clear water (carbonated), but > > it > > > > > has been of this sort for the last 4 years and only now she is > > > > > experiencing the > > > > > discomfort.> > > > > > > > > > > **** Assuming she hasn't added in some supplement or MRP that > > she's > > > > > not revealed, or a new brand of whey protein powder or more > > dairy, > > > > > I'd suggest she pay her OB/GYN a visit. I don't want to be an > > > > > alarmist, but the worst case scenario is ovarian cancer (a > > bloated, > > > > > full feeling and gas are symptoms of this difficult to diagnose > > > > > disease) and IF that is the case, then the sooner it's > > discovered > > > > > the better. Unfortunately this often tends to be an > > affiliction of > > > > > fairly young women. > > > > > > > > > > Like I said, I don't want to cause her some kind of panic, but > > it > > > > > pays to check it out. More than likely she's added in some > > sort of > > > > > engineered food which can be a great cause of disgestive > > discomfort. > > > > > > > > > > Rosemary Vernon, Editor > > > > > www.dolfzine.com > > > > > On-line Fitness > > > > > > > > > > Marina del Rey, CA > > > > > IronRoses@e... > > > > > http://www.chuckietechie.com > > > > > > > > She recently seen her family physician and he was not concerned at > > > > all with her self proclaimed ailment, but her discomfort has > > > > increased since her last visit. I have instructed her to visit > > with > > > > him again to be on the safe side. And she has visited with a > > OB/GYN > > > > and there are no problems in that area. > > > > > > > > ------------- > > > > Webster, CFC > > > > Kingston, Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Modify or cancel your subscription here: > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > > > > > > > Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of > > residence if > > > you > > > > wish them to be published! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 , a question to her would be " Why are you asking me dietary question when you have a 'diet guru' ? Charlie Newkerk, C.S.C.S. Rockledge, Fl Re: Gas? > So now she throws a new curve ball at me...she is unwilling to change > her diet untill after her show (fitness model competition). > A " bodybuilding " guru is doing her diet, while I train her (Cardio, > Resistance training etc.) She has it stuck in her mind that by taking > out certain foods this close to her comp (NOV 2) she will somehow > throw the whole scheme off. However, I may have convinced her to use > the digestive enzymes. Thanks alot to all those who responded to > this inquiry. Any other comments or suggestions are still welcome. > > Webster, CFC > Kingston, Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < . . . just recently a colleague of mine has been > experiencing > > > > > > abnormal gas and she feels very > > > > > > uncomfortable. I took a look at her diet and it is full of > > > > > > Broccoli, egg whites and crystal clear water (carbonated), > but > > > it > > > > > > has been of this sort for the last 4 years and only now she > is > > > > > > experiencing the > > > > > > discomfort.> > > > > > > > > > > > > **** Assuming she hasn't added in some supplement or MRP > that > > > she's > > > > > > not revealed, or a new brand of whey protein powder or more > > > dairy, > > > > > > I'd suggest she pay her OB/GYN a visit. I don't want to be > an > > > > > > alarmist, but the worst case scenario is ovarian cancer (a > > > bloated, > > > > > > full feeling and gas are symptoms of this difficult to > diagnose > > > > > > disease) and IF that is the case, then the sooner it's > > > discovered > > > > > > the better. Unfortunately this often tends to be an > > > affiliction of > > > > > > fairly young women. > > > > > > > > > > > > Like I said, I don't want to cause her some kind of panic, > but > > > it > > > > > > pays to check it out. More than likely she's added in some > > > sort of > > > > > > engineered food which can be a great cause of disgestive > > > discomfort. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rosemary Vernon, Editor > > > > > > www.dolfzine.com > > > > > > On-line Fitness > > > > > > > > > > > > Marina del Rey, CA > > > > > > IronRoses@e... > > > > > > http://www.chuckietechie.com > > > > > > > > > > She recently seen her family physician and he was not > concerned at > > > > > all with her self proclaimed ailment, but her discomfort has > > > > > increased since her last visit. I have instructed her to > visit > > > with > > > > > him again to be on the safe side. And she has visited with a > > > OB/GYN > > > > > and there are no problems in that area. > > > > > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > Webster, CFC > > > > > Kingston, Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Modify or cancel your subscription here: > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of > > > residence if > > > > you > > > > > wish them to be published! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2002 Report Share Posted July 29, 2002 This has now been a couple of weeks since I first posed these questions about a colleagues problems with gas. She is now experiencing bloating, diarhea (new symptom), sometimes constipation (new symptom) and gas. Does anyone have any ideas what this may be? I feel strongly that it relates to her diet and she should try the digestive enzymes and add a bit of fibre to her diet (shes getting about 17 grams of fibre daily, the RDA suggests about 20-35 grams). I also believe she needs to consume more water due to the amounts of protein in her diet. One thing she has done is eliminated the carbonated drinks but it has done little to naught towards improving her problem. [in resistant cases like this, medics sometimes suggest the use of activated charcoal tablets which are able to 'adsorb' large quantities of gas. These tablets are available over the counter. Anyhow, this problem undoubtedly relates to her diet, but if she is unwilling to recognise that some dietary changes would help, then let her simply try the charcoal tablets and continue with her life until the situation possibly deteriorates and she is compelled to rethink her lifestyle. Mel Siff] Now that I have set the scene I would also like to add that she just came back from an after hours clinic to again check up on this problem. The physician ensured her that she needed to add some fiber to her diet. I was informed that he (physician) was very rude about the whole occurrence. He was demeaning and even laughing insensibly at one point regarding her diet habits. His prescription included: Metamucil, more fruits, all bran cereal etc. He was very quick with his prescription and from what I hear it seemed as though he was not very attentive to her problem. Does anybody have any idea why a physician would react in this way? Also, why wouldn't he put more time and effort into systematically configuring a prescription? Was this a ploy against the 'bodybuilding world', that got in the way of his professionalism? [Although any experienced doctors should be used to dealing with all kinds of patient, there are at least two sides to any issue and her attitude may have made him impatient or irritated. You stated that she is unwilling to change her diet, so, if she responded like that to the doctor in a fairly confrontational manner, he could easily have let his ego get in the way and tried to get rid of her as soon as possible. Doctors are also human and patients should realise this more often if they wish to communicate more effectively with their doctors. Sometimes, this is a lost cause regarding some doctors and patients. Mel Siff] Webster, CFC Kingston, Ontario ----- charlie newkerk " <Newkfit@d...> wrote: > > , a question to her would be " Why are you asking me dietary question > > when you have a 'diet guru' ? Charlie, > I have asked that. I never really get a specific answer from her. > She mainly wants different opinions to see what works best for her. > But right now she is unwilling to change her diet. > > Webster, CFC ------- > So now she throws a new curve ball at me...she is unwilling to change > her diet untill after her show (fitness model competition). > A " bodybuilding " guru is doing her diet, while I train her (Cardio, > Resistance training etc.) She has it stuck in her mind that by taking > out certain foods this close to her comp (NOV 2) she will somehow > throw the whole scheme off. However, I may have convinced her to use > the digestive enzymes. Thanks alot to all those who responded to > this inquiry. Any other comments or suggestions are still welcome. > > Webster, CFC * Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2002 Report Share Posted July 29, 2002 This has now been a couple of weeks since I first posed these questions about a colleagues problems with gas. She is now experiencing bloating, diarhea (new symptom), sometimes constipation (new symptom) and gas. Does anyone have any ideas what this may be? I feel strongly that it relates to her diet and she should try the digestive enzymes and add a bit of fibre to her diet (shes getting about 17 grams of fibre daily, the RDA suggests about 20-35 grams). I also believe she needs to consume more water due to the amounts of protein in her diet. One thing she has done is eliminated the carbonated drinks but it has done little to naught towards improving her problem. [in resistant cases like this, medics sometimes suggest the use of activated charcoal tablets which are able to 'adsorb' large quantities of gas. These tablets are available over the counter. Anyhow, this problem undoubtedly relates to her diet, but if she is unwilling to recognise that some dietary changes would help, then let her simply try the charcoal tablets and continue with her life until the situation possibly deteriorates and she is compelled to rethink her lifestyle. Mel Siff] Now that I have set the scene I would also like to add that she just came back from an after hours clinic to again check up on this problem. The physician ensured her that she needed to add some fiber to her diet. I was informed that he (physician) was very rude about the whole occurrence. He was demeaning and even laughing insensibly at one point regarding her diet habits. His prescription included: Metamucil, more fruits, all bran cereal etc. He was very quick with his prescription and from what I hear it seemed as though he was not very attentive to her problem. Does anybody have any idea why a physician would react in this way? Also, why wouldn't he put more time and effort into systematically configuring a prescription? Was this a ploy against the 'bodybuilding world', that got in the way of his professionalism? [Although any experienced doctors should be used to dealing with all kinds of patient, there are at least two sides to any issue and her attitude may have made him impatient or irritated. You stated that she is unwilling to change her diet, so, if she responded like that to the doctor in a fairly confrontational manner, he could easily have let his ego get in the way and tried to get rid of her as soon as possible. Doctors are also human and patients should realise this more often if they wish to communicate more effectively with their doctors. Sometimes, this is a lost cause regarding some doctors and patients. Mel Siff] Webster, CFC Kingston, Ontario ----- charlie newkerk " <Newkfit@d...> wrote: > > , a question to her would be " Why are you asking me dietary question > > when you have a 'diet guru' ? Charlie, > I have asked that. I never really get a specific answer from her. > She mainly wants different opinions to see what works best for her. > But right now she is unwilling to change her diet. > > Webster, CFC ------- > So now she throws a new curve ball at me...she is unwilling to change > her diet untill after her show (fitness model competition). > A " bodybuilding " guru is doing her diet, while I train her (Cardio, > Resistance training etc.) She has it stuck in her mind that by taking > out certain foods this close to her comp (NOV 2) she will somehow > throw the whole scheme off. However, I may have convinced her to use > the digestive enzymes. Thanks alot to all those who responded to > this inquiry. Any other comments or suggestions are still welcome. > > Webster, CFC * Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2002 Report Share Posted July 29, 2002 This has now been a couple of weeks since I first posed these questions about a colleagues problems with gas. She is now experiencing bloating, diarhea (new symptom), sometimes constipation (new symptom) and gas. Does anyone have any ideas what this may be? I feel strongly that it relates to her diet and she should try the digestive enzymes and add a bit of fibre to her diet (shes getting about 17 grams of fibre daily, the RDA suggests about 20-35 grams). I also believe she needs to consume more water due to the amounts of protein in her diet. One thing she has done is eliminated the carbonated drinks but it has done little to naught towards improving her problem. [in resistant cases like this, medics sometimes suggest the use of activated charcoal tablets which are able to 'adsorb' large quantities of gas. These tablets are available over the counter. Anyhow, this problem undoubtedly relates to her diet, but if she is unwilling to recognise that some dietary changes would help, then let her simply try the charcoal tablets and continue with her life until the situation possibly deteriorates and she is compelled to rethink her lifestyle. Mel Siff] Now that I have set the scene I would also like to add that she just came back from an after hours clinic to again check up on this problem. The physician ensured her that she needed to add some fiber to her diet. I was informed that he (physician) was very rude about the whole occurrence. He was demeaning and even laughing insensibly at one point regarding her diet habits. His prescription included: Metamucil, more fruits, all bran cereal etc. He was very quick with his prescription and from what I hear it seemed as though he was not very attentive to her problem. Does anybody have any idea why a physician would react in this way? Also, why wouldn't he put more time and effort into systematically configuring a prescription? Was this a ploy against the 'bodybuilding world', that got in the way of his professionalism? [Although any experienced doctors should be used to dealing with all kinds of patient, there are at least two sides to any issue and her attitude may have made him impatient or irritated. You stated that she is unwilling to change her diet, so, if she responded like that to the doctor in a fairly confrontational manner, he could easily have let his ego get in the way and tried to get rid of her as soon as possible. Doctors are also human and patients should realise this more often if they wish to communicate more effectively with their doctors. Sometimes, this is a lost cause regarding some doctors and patients. Mel Siff] Webster, CFC Kingston, Ontario ----- charlie newkerk " <Newkfit@d...> wrote: > > , a question to her would be " Why are you asking me dietary question > > when you have a 'diet guru' ? Charlie, > I have asked that. I never really get a specific answer from her. > She mainly wants different opinions to see what works best for her. > But right now she is unwilling to change her diet. > > Webster, CFC ------- > So now she throws a new curve ball at me...she is unwilling to change > her diet untill after her show (fitness model competition). > A " bodybuilding " guru is doing her diet, while I train her (Cardio, > Resistance training etc.) She has it stuck in her mind that by taking > out certain foods this close to her comp (NOV 2) she will somehow > throw the whole scheme off. However, I may have convinced her to use > the digestive enzymes. Thanks alot to all those who responded to > this inquiry. Any other comments or suggestions are still welcome. > > Webster, CFC * Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2002 Report Share Posted July 30, 2002 Gas and bloating are two of the most common problems in people who excercise more than 4 times per week and who consume dairy products. If you look at the biochemical processes undergoing inside the body during excercise, you will notice that there is an increased production of lactic acid, HCO3 ion, and Carbon Dioxide. In some susceptible individuals (especially after eating dairy products - milk, bread, etc), this may lead to abnormally high levels of ABG (arterial blood gases), increased depot of CO2, and bloating/constipation (secondary to decreased levels of lactase, amylase, and other digestive enzymes). [Any references for further reading? Mel Siff] Leon Gokhman, CPhT Houston, TX --- houserules_2000 wrote: > This has now been a couple of weeks since I first > posed these > questions about a colleagues problems with gas. She > is now > experiencing bloating, diarhea (new symptom), > sometimes constipation > (new symptom) and gas. Does anyone have any ideas > what this may be? > I feel strongly that it relates to her diet and she > should try the > digestive enzymes and add a bit of fibre to her diet > (shes getting > about 17 grams of fibre daily, the RDA suggests > about 20-35 grams). > I also believe she needs to consume more water due > to the amounts of > protein in her diet. One thing she has done is > eliminated the > carbonated drinks but it has done little to naught > towards improving > her problem. > > [in resistant cases like this, medics sometimes > suggest the use of > activated charcoal tablets which are able to > 'adsorb' large quantities > of gas. These tablets are available over the > counter. Anyhow, this > problem undoubtedly relates to her diet, but if she > is unwilling to > recognise that some dietary changes would help, then > let her simply > try the charcoal tablets and continue with her life > until the situation > possibly deteriorates and she is compelled to > rethink her lifestyle. Mel Siff] > > Now that I have set the scene I would also like to > add that she just > came back from an after hours clinic to again check > up on this > problem. The physician ensured her that she needed > to add some fiber > to her diet. I was informed that he (physician) was > very rude about > the whole occurrence. He was demeaning and even > laughing insensibly at > one point regarding her diet habits. His > prescription included: > Metamucil, more fruits, all bran cereal etc. He was > very quick with > his prescription and from what I hear it seemed as > though he was not > very attentive to her problem. Does anybody have any > idea why a > physician would react in this way? Also, why > wouldn't he put more time > and effort into systematically configuring a > prescription? Was this a > ploy against the 'bodybuilding world', that got in > the way of his > professionalism? > > [Although any experienced doctors should be used to > dealing with all kinds > of patient, there are at least two sides to any > issue and her attitude may have made him > impatient or irritated. You stated that she is > unwilling to change her diet, so, if she > responded like that to the doctor in a fairly > confrontational manner, he could > easily have let his ego get in the way and tried to > get rid of her as soon as > possible. Doctors are also human and patients > should realise this more > often if they wish to communicate more effectively > with their doctors. > Sometimes, this is a lost cause regarding some > doctors and patients. Mel Siff] > > Webster, CFC ------- * Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2002 Report Share Posted July 30, 2002 The most common cause of flatulence or gas is undigested food. Possible causes of indigestion: - too much soluble fibre from whole legumes, whole grains, vegetables or fruits - too much solid protein in one meal (especially if the protein is " overcooked and dry " ) - lactose intolerance (inability to split milk sugar) - gorging food (food not chewed properly) - swallowing air with food Some suggestions: - Try eliminating high fibrous foods from solid protein rich meals. - Include more liquid nutrition since these meals are easily digested (make sure MRP is good quality) - Eliminate milk sugar - Make sure veges are properly cooked - Avoid legumes - Pre-soak oats prior to cooking - Don't over-cook eggs and meat - Chew food properly Too much fibre may actually compound the problem especially if one eats many fruits and veges and soluble fibre supplements such as metamucil. Hope this advice can be of some assistance. Chelos Sydney Australia * Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2002 Report Share Posted July 30, 2002 Mel, I appreciate your reponse to my inquiry. I may have misled you in a instance regarding the situation. My colleague after deciding to go to a physician was doing so with open arms. Meaning that she was willing to take any advice. She was by no means resistant or confrontational. However, like previously mentioned he (physician) was very rude and insensible about her problem. {I turst that she has decided to use other doctors who enjoy their professions and patients a great deal more than this last one! Mel Siff] Webster, CFC Kingston, Ontario ------- " houserules_2000 " <houserules_2000@y...> wrote: > This has now been a couple of weeks since I first posed these > questions about a colleagues problems with gas. She is now > experiencing bloating, diarhea (new symptom), sometimes constipation > (new symptom) and gas. Does anyone have any ideas what this may be? > I feel strongly that it relates to her diet and she should try the > digestive enzymes and add a bit of fibre to her diet (shes getting > about 17 grams of fibre daily, the RDA suggests about 20-35 grams). > I also believe she needs to consume more water due to the amounts of > protein in her diet. One thing she has done is eliminated the > carbonated drinks but it has done little to naught towards improving > her problem. > > [in resistant cases like this, medics sometimes suggest the use of > activated charcoal tablets which are able to 'adsorb' large quantities > of gas. These tablets are available over the counter. Anyhow, this > problem undoubtedly relates to her diet, but if she is unwilling to > recognise that some dietary changes would help, then let her simply > try the charcoal tablets and continue with her life until the situation > possibly deteriorates and she is compelled to rethink her lifestyle. Mel Siff] > > Now that I have set the scene I would also like to add that she just > came back from an after hours clinic to again check up on this > problem. The physician ensured her that she needed to add some fiber > to her diet. I was informed that he (physician) was very rude about > the whole occurrence. He was demeaning and even laughing insensibly at > one point regarding her diet habits. His prescription included: > Metamucil, more fruits, all bran cereal etc. He was very quick with > his prescription and from what I hear it seemed as though he was not > very attentive to her problem. Does anybody have any idea why a > physician would react in this way? Also, why wouldn't he put more time > and effort into systematically configuring a prescription? Was this a > ploy against the 'bodybuilding world', that got in the way of his > professionalism? > > [Although any experienced doctors should be used to dealing with all kinds > of patient, there are at least two sides to any issue and her attitude may have made him > impatient or irritated. You stated that she is unwilling to change her diet, so, if she > responded like that to the doctor in a fairly confrontational manner, he could > easily have let his ego get in the way and tried to get rid of her as soon as > possible. Doctors are also human and patients should realise this more > often if they wish to communicate more effectively with their doctors. > Sometimes, this is a lost cause regarding some doctors and patients. Mel Siff] > > Webster, CFC > Kingston, Ontario ------- > > So now she throws a new curve ball at me...she is unwilling to change > > her diet untill after her show (fitness model competition). > > A " bodybuilding " guru is doing her diet, while I train her (Cardio, > > Resistance training etc.) She has it stuck in her mind that by taking > > out certain foods this close to her comp (NOV 2) she will somehow > > throw the whole scheme off. However, I may have convinced her to use > > the digestive enzymes. Thanks alot to all those who responded to > > this inquiry. Any other comments or suggestions are still welcome. > > > > Webster, CFC * Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2002 Report Share Posted July 30, 2002 Supertraining List, Is it possible that her 'diet' has nothing to do with her problem (Gas, bloating, diarhea, Constipation)? Could it be stress related to her upcoming competition? Her sleeping patterns are always a little thrown off as well due to her occupation. Most of the time she acquires 8+ hours of sleep. But with 12 hour night shifts/day shifts alternating week to week, this might have its toll. Some input on this theory would be greatly appreciated. Webster, CFC Kingston, Ontario -------- Leon Gokhman<lgokhman666@y...> wrote: > Here are some references for the information below, if > any of you are interested in acquiring more information: > > " Kinetics of CO2 excessive expiration in constant-load > exercise " . J Sports Med Phys Fitness 2002 > Jun;42(2):152-7 > > " Textbook of Medical Physiology " 4th ed., 1999 Guyton joe smith <lgokhman666@y...> wrote: > > Gas and bloating are two of the most common problems > > in people who excercise more than 4 times per week and > > who consume dairy products. > > > > If you look at the biochemical processes undergoing > > inside the body during excercise, you will notice that > > there is an increased production of lactic acid, HCO3 > > ion, and Carbon Dioxide. In some susceptible > > individuals (especially after eating dairy products > > - > > milk, bread, etc), this may lead to abnormally high > > levels of ABG (arterial blood gases), increased depot > > of CO2, and bloating/constipation (secondary to > > decreased levels of lactase, amylase, and other digestive enzymes). > > > > [Any references for further reading? Mel Siff] > > > > Leon Gokhman, CPhT * Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2002 Report Share Posted July 31, 2002 Supertraining List, My colleague decided to take some advice and try the digestive enzymes. She picked up a bottle of Udo's Choice Enzyme Blend. It contains lipase, protease, amylase and I believe 6 other plant based enzymes which I have yet to be informed of. She let me know earlier today! Does anyone have experience with this product? Is it superior or inferior to other products on the market? Thank you for your time. Webster, CFC Kingston, Ontario > > > > Gas and bloating are two of the most common problems > > > in people who excercise more than 4 times per week and > > > who consume dairy products. > > > > > > If you look at the biochemical processes undergoing > > > inside the body during excercise, you will notice that > > > there is an increased production of lactic acid, HCO3 > > > ion, and Carbon Dioxide. In some susceptible > > > individuals (especially after eating dairy products > > > - > > > milk, bread, etc), this may lead to abnormally high > > > levels of ABG (arterial blood gases), increased depot > > > of CO2, and bloating/constipation (secondary to > > > decreased levels of lactase, amylase, and other digestive enzymes). > > > > > > [Any references for further reading? Mel Siff] > > > > > > Leon Gokhman, CPhT > > > * Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if > you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2002 Report Share Posted July 31, 2002 Supertraining List, My colleague decided to take some advice and try the digestive enzymes. She picked up a bottle of Udo's Choice Enzyme Blend. It contains lipase, protease, amylase and I believe 6 other plant based enzymes which I have yet to be informed of. She let me know earlier today! Does anyone have experience with this product? Is it superior or inferior to other products on the market? Thank you for your time. Webster, CFC Kingston, Ontario > > > > Gas and bloating are two of the most common problems > > > in people who excercise more than 4 times per week and > > > who consume dairy products. > > > > > > If you look at the biochemical processes undergoing > > > inside the body during excercise, you will notice that > > > there is an increased production of lactic acid, HCO3 > > > ion, and Carbon Dioxide. In some susceptible > > > individuals (especially after eating dairy products > > > - > > > milk, bread, etc), this may lead to abnormally high > > > levels of ABG (arterial blood gases), increased depot > > > of CO2, and bloating/constipation (secondary to > > > decreased levels of lactase, amylase, and other digestive enzymes). > > > > > > [Any references for further reading? Mel Siff] > > > > > > Leon Gokhman, CPhT > > > * Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if > you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 It seems to do that to one of my dogs, but not the other. It is usually recommended that if you have difficulty, you should start with very small amounts and build up gradually. -------------------------------------------------- From: " jasher8 tds.net " <jasher8@...> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 8:31 AM < > Subject: gas? > Does kefir give anyone else some really bad gas? > Thanks! > Jenn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 <<> Does kefir give anyone else some really bad gas?>> Jenn, Could it be die-off? Do you have candida? Just a thought, Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 Jenn, Could it be die-off? Do you have candida? Just a thought, Beth >>> I didn't think so but maybe..?? It doesn't hurt it just stinks so bad..lol... Jenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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