Mercury

September 10, 2005

Did you know that rogram shots for the RH factor that pregnant women get twice for each pregnancy contains mercury? I only found out after having 8 shots. My second child has AS. She had a reaction to immunizations twice when she was a baby. She turned blue from the waist down once in the doctors office and another at the health dept getting her immunizations. She went to a cardiologist for eval and their only explaination was that the room must have been cold. She was first diagnosed with ADD and OCD. Three different doctors diagnosed AS when she was 6 years old. She is not on any meds. We noticed that she is really affected by food coloring, expecially red #40. We watch her diet and do not include foods with colors or with some preservatives. She is doing great. She does have her days. But we are happy with the results.

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September 10, 2005

This is very interesting. My mother was Rh negative, and two of her three children (myself included) have Autism Spectrum Disorders, but both her pregnancies came before RhoGAM was introduced in 1968.

Did you know that rogram shots for the RH factor that pregnant women get twice for each pregnancy contains mercury? I only found out after having 8 shots. My second child has AS. She had a reaction to immunizations twice when she was a baby. She turned blue from the waist down once in the doctors office and another at the health dept getting her immunizations. She went to a cardiologist for eval and their only explaination was that the room must have been cold. She was first diagnosed with ADD and OCD. Three different doctors diagnosed AS when she was 6 years old. She is not on any meds. We noticed that she is really affected by food coloring, expecially red #40. We watch her diet and do not include foods with colors or with some preservatives. She is doing great. She does have her days. But we are happy with the results.

September 12, 2005

My mom is Rh negative, and was given shots following each of her

pregnancies. I am the oldest and the only one with no label...my

sister was SPD and fibromyalgia, my brother is SPD, and my youngest

sister is SPD and OCD...I was the only one born before she got the

Rhogam.

Amnesty

> This is very interesting. My mother was Rh negative, and two of

her three children (myself included) have Autism Spectrum Disorders,

but both her pregnancies came before RhoGAM was introduced in 1968.

>

> Did you know that rogram shots for the RH factor that pregnant

women get twice for each pregnancy contains mercury? I only found

out after having 8 shots. My second child has AS. She had a

reaction to immunizations twice when she was a baby. She turned blue

from the waist down once in the doctors office and another at the

health dept getting her immunizations. She went to a cardiologist

for eval and their only explaination was that the room must have been

cold. She was first diagnosed with ADD and OCD. Three different

doctors diagnosed AS when she was 6 years old. She is not on any

meds. We noticed that she is really affected by food coloring,

expecially red #40. We watch her diet and do not include foods with

colors or with some preservatives. She is doing great. She does

have her days. But we are happy with the results.

September 12, 2005

Isn't that something, that is scary. They also said a certain type of drug given to women during pregnancy in the 60's (can't recall the name) was causing cervical cancer in women whose mothers were given that certain drug. You never know with all this stuff doctors are giving. It makes you really think what is safe anymore. Amnesty <amnestyb@...> wrote:

My mom is Rh negative, and was given shots following each of her pregnancies. I am the oldest and the only one with no label...my sister was SPD and fibromyalgia, my brother is SPD, and my youngest sister is SPD and OCD...I was the only one born before she got the Rhogam.Amnesty> This is very interesting. My mother was Rh negative, and two of her three children (myself included) have Autism Spectrum Disorders, but both her pregnancies came before RhoGAM was introduced in 1968.> > > > > Did you know that rogram shots for the RH factor that pregnant women get twice for each pregnancy contains mercury? I only found out after having 8 shots. My second child has

AS. She had a reaction to immunizations twice when she was a baby. She turned blue from the waist down once in the doctors office and another at the health dept getting her immunizations. She went to a cardiologist for eval and their only explaination was that the room must have been cold. She was first diagnosed with ADD and OCD. Three different doctors diagnosed AS when she was 6 years old. She is not on any meds. We noticed that she is really affected by food coloring, expecially red #40. We watch her diet and do not include foods with colors or with some preservatives. She is doing great. She does have her days. But we are happy with the results.

December 15, 2005

it is from a group who are testing privately.

It was preliminary and they are doing more testing and when I have that

info will share it.

I'll send the other again

Sheri

At 01:36 PM 12/15/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>I can't find an article that Sheri sent on how Mercury (thermisol) is still

>in vaccines EVEN though it says " Mercury Free " . could someone send that to

>me??

>

>jen c >

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December 15, 2005

At 04:43 PM 12/15/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>Oops, oh my. I just told a friend that if she read on the package she would

>find it listed but just in very small amounts (enough to be called mercury

>free).

>

>jen c

>

>thanks

>

well there is that issue too................didn't realize what you meant

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm

the vaccines with a * thimerosal-free still may have trace amounts (and

how they can say those amounts have no biological effect is disgusting and

criminal)..sheri

* This product should be considered equivalent to thimerosal-free

products. This vaccine may contain trace amounts (<0.3 mcg) of mercury

left after post-production thimerosal removal; these amounts have no

biological effect. JAMA 1999;282(18) and JAMA 2000;283(16).

" In 1999, many companies started removing Thimerosal from their products.

However, some products that say they are Thimerosal free actually still

contain trace amounts. Thimerosal continues to be used in some vaccines.

Many of the vaccines listed in the calculator are no longer in production

but are included here so you can check previous exposures. "

http://www.nvic.org/Issues/HgCalculator.htm

The Mercury Calculator

Go Directly to The Calculator

Background

Thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative has been used in vaccines since

the 1930's. In 1982, the FDA reviewed Thimerosal and called for its removal

in over the counter products due to its' toxicity.

In a review of mercury containing products in 1999, the FDA recognized that

mercury exposure from vaccines exceeded federal safety guidelines set by

the Environmental Protection Agency. While licensing new vaccines and

adding them to the mandatory childhood schedule, the government failed to

add up the amount of mercury that a child could receive in one visit and

cumulatively over the course of the full vaccination regimen.

In 1999, many companies started removing Thimerosal from their products.

However, some products that say they are Thimerosal free actually still

contain trace amounts. Thimerosal continues to be used in some vaccines.

Many of the vaccines listed in the calculator are no longer in production

but are included here so you can check previous exposures.

Some neuro-developmental disorders such as autism have similar symptoms to

mercury poisoning. It is well established that mercury is a neuro-toxin and

is harmful to babies in utero and to the developing brains of children.

There is a public health advisory from the government about the risks of

eating mercury-containing seafood, but there is no public health advisory

about the risks of exposure to mercury in vaccines. It is up to the

individual parent to make the right vaccine choices for their children.

Using the Calculator

This mercury calculator will help you determine how much mercury a child

received at previous vaccination visits or could receive in an upcoming

visit. The products are listed by brand name and manufacturer. Some

vaccines have two company names because over the past several decades there

have been many company mergers.

Just enter the weight of the child and click on the brand name

/manufacturer of the vaccine. A number will show at the top and tell you if

it is over the EPA standard of 0.1 mcg per kilogram of bodyweight.

If you want to calculate your child's overall exposure to mercury

containing vaccines on multiple visits, you will have to enter each visit

individually, using the weight of your child at the time of the visit and

then add them all together.

Many companies have merged and changed names. This is why you will see some

vaccines with multiple company names. In many cases the brand name was

changed when the company name changed but in some cases the brand name and

company name remained the same. For example in 1999 Merck announced that

their pediatric vaccine line was mercury free. Even though the mercury-free

version of hepatitis B vaccine was released, the mercury-containing version

remained on the market until 2002 and was never removed. We do not have

the specific dates for when these changes occurred for each vaccine.

If you feel that your child is suffering the effects of mercury poisoning,

please let us know by clicking here and describing the symptoms.

If you need help with identification and therapies, we suggest you contact

the following organizations. Autism Research Institute and Defeat Autism

Now, Developmental Delay Resources, Unlocking Autism, SafeMinds.

If you believe the information on this website has helped you learn more

about the possible causes of your child's health problems or has benefited

you in other ways, please consider becoming a member of NVIC. We depend

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information about diseases and vaccines to the public.

Read more information about Thimerosal and vaccines on the NVIC website.

A Mother's Story

My name is Lyn Redwood. I reside in Atlanta, Georgia with my husband Tommy

and three children, Hanna, Drew and Will. My husband and I are both health

care professionals. My husband is a Physician and I'm a Nurse Practitioner.

I also hold a Masters Degree in Community Health Nursing and I'm a member

of our County's Board of Health and local Planning Commission.

My son, Will, weighed in at close to 9 lbs at birth. He was a happy baby

who ate and slept well, smiled, cooed, walked and talked, all by one year.

Shortly after his first birthday he experienced multiple infections, lost

speech, eye contact, developed a very limited diet and suffered

intermittent bouts of diarrhea. He underwent multiple evaluations and was

initially diagnosed with a global receptive and expressive speech delay and

later with Pervasive Developmental Disorder, a form of autism.

I would have never made a correlation between my son's disability and

vaccines until July 1999 when I read that a preservative, thimerosal,

utilized in some infant vaccines, actually contained 49.6% mercury. The

report went on to say that the FDA had determined that " infants who

received thimerosal-containing vaccines at several visits may be exposed to

more mercury than recommended by Federal Guidelines for total mercury

exposure. " As health care providers my husband and I constantly receive

notices that adverse events have been reported with a drug or a product

safety sheet has been revised. Why were no such notices sent out informing

us that thimerosal preserved vaccines were exceeding federal guidelines for

mercury exposure in infants?

It was in light of this information that I reviewed my son's vaccine record

and my worse fears were confirmed. All of his early vaccines had contained

thimerosal. From my research on mercury I have found it to be a potent

human toxicant which is especially damaging to the rapidly developing fetal

and infant brain. While acceptable levels for exposure are published by

Federal Agencies, mercury is a poison at any level.

The dose thought to be safely allowed on a daily basis by EPA is 0.1mcg per

kilogram of body weight per day. At 2 months of age my son had received

62.5 mcg of mercury from 3 infant vaccines. According to EPA criteria, his

allowable dose was only 0.5mcg based on his weight. He had received 125

times his allowable exposure on that one day. These large injected bolus

exposures continued at 4, 6, 12 and 18 months to a total mercury exposure

of 237.5 mcg. I also discovered that the injections that I received during

the first and third trimesters of my pregnancy and hours after the delivery

of my son to prevent RH blood incompatibility also contained mercury.

Excerpted with permission from testimony

Government Reform Committee, July 18, 2000

Mercury in Medicine. Are We Taking Unnecessary Risks

Lyn Redwood is the Co-founder and President of SafeMinds

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March 9, 2006

Debbie,

Have you done the "counting rules?" Take the hair results and use Andy Cutler's counting rules to find out if there's a likely possibility your child has metal toxicity.

Ann

March 9, 2006

Mercury doesn't necessarily show up in a hair test. In fact, it's often quite the opposite. Could be in his body-not coming out and therefore, you won't see it from testing. Debbie <dashaumeyer@...> wrote: I have a question. I had bio-medical tests done on my son and one was a hair test. Until then I full-blown believed he got this from his vaccines. BUT......his mercury from the metals test wasn't high. There were other metals in his test that were high. The ones marked high and potentially toxic were titanium and arsenic. But those even weren't in the real high area, just high. This bothers me.Then the other metals were the essential metals and he was high in zinc and sulfur. I wanted his baby hair tested but was advised against it. If

the lady in the book had her kids baby hair tested, and she discovered the root of the problem, (mercury, then why couldn't I get this done for my sons baby hair. It doesn't make sense to me.Debbie__________________________________________________

March 9, 2006

I was told the hair was the best test for mercury. Do I have the

wrong information. How would I know its in his body? Do a blood

test for heavy metals.

Debbie

I have a question. I had bio-

medical tests done on my son and one was

> a hair test. Until then I full-blown believed he got this from

his

> vaccines. BUT......his mercury from the metals test wasn't high.

There

> were other metals in his test that were high. The ones marked

high and

> potentially toxic were titanium and arsenic. But those even

weren't in

> the real high area, just high. This bothers me.

>

> Then the other metals were the essential metals and he was high in

zinc

> and sulfur.

>

> I wanted his baby hair tested but was advised against it. If the

lady

> in the book had her kids baby hair tested, and she discovered the

root

> of the problem, (mercury, then why couldn't I get this done for my

sons

> baby hair. It doesn't make sense to me.

>

> Debbie

>

March 9, 2006

The problem with the autistic kids is they are not

good excretors of heavy metals. There is NO test to

see what is in their bodies. If they are autistic they

definetly have mercury and other heavy metals. The

other metals come out first and mercury comes out

last. Mercury comes out last since it is the hardest

metal to bind to.If you have an autistic child you

need to find a DAN doctor (go to the Autism Research

Institute for a list of DAN doctors). The best

chelator to date is TDDMPS ( www.TDDMPS.com) You'll

need to beging chelation and do testing on hair,urine

and stool to see what is being excreted. As the

autistic kids chelate they feel better and their

symptoms slowly vanish. Many have fully recovered thru

chelation. Get the mercury and other heavy metals out!

--- Debbie <dashaumeyer@...> wrote:

> I was told the hair was the best test for mercury.

> Do I have the

> wrong information. How would I know its in his

> body? Do a blood

> test for heavy metals.

>

> Debbie

>

> I have a

> question. I had bio-

> medical tests done on my son and one was

> > a hair test. Until then I full-blown believed he

> got this from

> his

> > vaccines. BUT......his mercury from the metals

> test wasn't high.

> There

> > were other metals in his test that were high. The

> ones marked

> high and

> > potentially toxic were titanium and arsenic. But

> those even

> weren't in

> > the real high area, just high. This bothers me.

> >

> > Then the other metals were the essential metals

> and he was high in

> zinc

> > and sulfur.

> >

> > I wanted his baby hair tested but was advised

> against it. If the

> lady

> > in the book had her kids baby hair tested, and she

> discovered the

> root

> > of the problem, (mercury, then why couldn't I get

> this done for my

> sons

> > baby hair. It doesn't make sense to me.

> >

> > Debbie

> >

March 9, 2006

Hair is the worst, urine is the best. Hair only shows up if he's had a

recent exposure since your hair grows and you cut it, and that's only if

he's excreting it. The problem with our kids is that they don't excrete it,

they store it. And you normally do a pre-test, then give a provocative

agent like DMSA, DMPS etc for 1-4 doses then retest to see what's coming

out. Usually, you will not see mercury dump until you've gotten the other

metals down to a manageable level.

Re: MERCURY

I was told the hair was the best test for mercury. Do I have the

wrong information. How would I know its in his body? Do a blood

test for heavy metals.

Debbie

I have a question. I had bio-

medical tests done on my son and one was

> a hair test. Until then I full-blown believed he got this from

his

> vaccines. BUT......his mercury from the metals test wasn't high.

There

> were other metals in his test that were high. The ones marked

high and

> potentially toxic were titanium and arsenic. But those even

weren't in

> the real high area, just high. This bothers me.

>

> Then the other metals were the essential metals and he was high in

zinc

> and sulfur.

>

> I wanted his baby hair tested but was advised against it. If the

lady

> in the book had her kids baby hair tested, and she discovered the

root

> of the problem, (mercury, then why couldn't I get this done for my

sons

> baby hair. It doesn't make sense to me.

>

> Debbie

>

April 15, 2006

We are waiting to read what was written in that EPA release. AasaTom Sedor <sedort@...> wrote: EPA Is Ordered to Release Documents on Mercury Rule By Beth Daley The Boston Globe Friday 14 April 2006 A federal magistrate in Boston ordered the US Environmental Protection Agency late yesterday to release internal documents to Massachusetts Attorney General F. Reilly about how the federal agency arrived at a

controversial rule to regulate mercury emissions from power plants. Reilly sued the EPA in March 2005 after the EPA refused to release all the information Reilly requested about alternatives the agency considered before coming up with its mercury emissions trading program. Reilly believes the EPA dismissed more effective alternatives. An EPA spokeswoman in Washington said last night that agency officials were reviewing the 43-page ruling by US District Judge Magistrate B. Collings. She declined to say whether they would appeal. The EPA's mercury rule allows dirtier power plants to buy air pollution credits from cleaner facilities, a market mechanism the agency says will reduce mercury pollution 69 percent by 2018. But critics say technology exists to reduce mercury even further at a low cost and that the EPA's rule allows

hot spots of mercury pollution to develop near power plants that pay for the right to pollute. The EPA argued it did not have to release the documents because it was part of a deliberative process and exempt under the Freedom of Information Act. But Collings said the agency did not prove that the documents were exempt. "We will now be able to see the documents that the EPA has tried to keep hidden," said Reilly. "By making the facts available, the public will now be able to understand the choices the EPA is making and whether the agency is meeting its important responsibility to protect the public health and welfare." Massachusetts is one of 11 states that sued the federal government in 2005 saying the mercury rules violate the Clean Air Act. The Bay State has already enacted some of the toughest mercury emission regulations in the

country, rules that will reduce power plant emissions 85 percent by 2008. Mercury is a naturally occurring element that can cause severe neurological damage in children and fetuses. It is released into the air from incinerators and coal-burning power plants. US Hypocritical for Criticizing China's Mercury Pollution While Blocking Global Agreements, Say Advocates Mercury Policy Project | Press Release Tuesday 11 April 2006 Beijing - While traveling in China, US Environmental Protection Agency chief Steve criticized China for polluting the United States with mercury pollution, stating that "Pollution - especially

mercury pollution - knows no international borders," according to press reports from the capital. Yet this stance is hypocritical, say advocates. "

June 20, 2006

Here you go, Jen.

Anita

PRESS RELEASE â€“ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

August 12, 2004

Health Advocacy in the Public Interest (HAPI)

Contact: Dawn Winkler 970-641-7413

Vaccines Are Not Mercury Free

After much public controversy surrounding the mercury content of

childhood vaccinations, Health Advocacy in the Public Interest (HAPI)

raised $500 to have four vaccines tested for heavy metal content. The

vials were sent to Doctorâ€™s Data, an independent lab which specializes

in heavy metal testing. Many manufacturers voluntarily began producing

supposed â€œmercury freeâ€ vaccines in 1999. Some product inserts

currently claim that a â€œtraceâ€ amount of mercury still exists in the

final product but that the amount has been greatly reduced. Others claim

to be producing completely mercury free products.

During an investigation into the mercury issue, HAPI learned that

Thimerosal, a 50% mercury compound, is still being used to produce most

vaccines and that the manufacturers are simply â€œfiltering it outâ€ of the

final product. However, according to Boyd Haley, PhD, Chemistry

Department Chair, University of Kentucky, mercury binds to the antigenic

protein in the vaccine and cannot be completely, 100% filtered out. All

four vaccine vials tested contained mercury despite manufacturer claims

that two of the vials were completely mercury free. All four vials also

contained aluminum, one nine times more than the other three, which

tremendously enhances the toxicity of mercury causing neuronal death in

the brain. The mercury content of routine childhood vaccinations has

been linked to the current autism epidemic as well as numerous other

neurological disorders affecting children today. Currently, one in six

children are affected in some way and one in 250 children are diagnosed

as autistic compared to one in 10,000 prior to mercury containing

vaccines. It is the position of Dr. Haley as well as HAPI that if

mercury can be detected in any vaccine using standard instrumentation,

the content should be disclosed in the product insert and manufacturers

should not be allowed to call the product â€œmercury freeâ€.

Executive Director of HAPI, Dawn Winkler, met with FDA officials in

Silver Spring, land on July 27, 2004 to discuss blatant mislabeling

and misrepresentation of ingredients in vaccinations which are licensed

by the FDA. Clearly, more testing is needed. The FDA has the ability

and authority to take on the necessary testing, however, at present,

this task sadly appears to be up to the public. HAPI will be attempting

to raise more funds to test more vaccines in an effort to pressure the

FDA to crack down on manufacturers to label their products correctly. To

help with this effort call 970-641-7413 or email noshots@...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dawn Winkler

Advocate for Health Freedom

Investigate Before You Vaccinate; Your Kids, Your Choice, Your Rights

" They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety

deserve neither

liberty nor safety. " - lin

" The freedom and happiness of man...are the sole objects of a legitimate

government. " -

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Carver <jenjackcarver@...> wrote:

Could someone send me the article that was sent (a while back) about mercury

STILL being vaccines. EVEN THOUGH it is in small quantities (enough to be

called " free of thermisol " on the label). I know we discussed it. My

friend read a study that came out recently and she thinks that mercury has

been taken out of ALL vaccines and her baby is safe. It is sad, but she

thinks this is the ONLY thing to worry about when it comes to vaccines:((

jen c

June 21, 2006

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January 20, 2007

Hi

I was wondering what kinds of experiences people have had with chelating?

I've had CFS for 10 years, tested high for lead and aluminum and planning on

doing mercury testing.

I assume that long term CFIDSers all have some type of problem with mercury or

heavy metals overload, yet this topic doesn't seem to come up much on the list.

Someone on another board said that Dr de Meirleir said at the recent Florida

conference that PWCs reacted differently to chelation and he wasn't in favour of

it. (FYI.. this poster mentioned it as a throwaway comment so I'm not sure how

accurate this is.)

I also notice that someone on this list who is apparently recovered said she

used B12 to get the mercury out of her brain.

Mercury has a half-life of 16+ years... so I wonder how effective methods

other than chelation are at getting rid of it.

Any input appreciated.

Louella

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January 20, 2007

Louella,

it's wrong to say that De Meirleir is not in favour of chelation. He prefers

natural and slow chelation methond, like through chlorella or other similar

products (he prescribed one to me called Total Metal Detox which is sold in

Belgium). There is another one called PCA-RX sold in the US, very expensive but

it is very well considered.

It is true that reactions to quick EDTA or DMSA chelations are very different

from person to person, and therefore a doctor should always think of the risks

involved. I personally have a friends who relapsed very badly with his CFS

symptoms after the EDTA chelation process.

But this is of course one individual case, and there are so many different that

we cannot tell a safe reliable result valid for everyone.

Cheers,

Massimo

Re: mercury

Hi

I was wondering what kinds of experiences people have had with chelating?

I've had CFS for 10 years, tested high for lead and aluminum and planning on

doing mercury testing.

I assume that long term CFIDSers all have some type of problem with mercury or

heavy metals overload, yet this topic doesn't seem to come up much on the list.

Someone on another board said that Dr de Meirleir said at the recent Florida

conference that PWCs reacted differently to chelation and he wasn't in favour of

it. (FYI.. this poster mentioned it as a throwaway comment so I'm not sure how

accurate this is.)

I also notice that someone on this list who is apparently recovered said she

used B12 to get the mercury out of her brain.

Mercury has a half-life of 16+ years... so I wonder how effective methods

other than chelation are at getting rid of it.

Any input appreciated.

Louella

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January 20, 2007

Ok,good to know Massimo. Did Dr M.test you for heavy metals?

*Massimo <maxupolo@...> wrote: Louella,

it's wrong to say that De Meirleir is not in favour of chelation. He prefers

natural and slow chelation methond, like through chlorella or other similar

products (he prescribed one to me called Total Metal Detox which is sold in

Belgium). There is another one called PCA-RX sold in the US, very expensive but

it is very well considered.

It is true that reactions to quick EDTA or DMSA chelations are very different

from person to person, and therefore a doctor should always think of the risks

involved. I personally have a friends who relapsed very badly with his CFS

symptoms after the EDTA chelation process.

But this is of course one individual case, and there are so many different that

we cannot tell a safe reliable result valid for everyone.

Cheers,

Massimo

Re: mercury

Hi

I was wondering what kinds of experiences people have had with chelating?

I've had CFS for 10 years, tested high for lead and aluminum and planning on

doing mercury testing.

I assume that long term CFIDSers all have some type of problem with mercury or

heavy metals overload, yet this topic doesn't seem to come up much on the list.

Someone on another board said that Dr de Meirleir said at the recent Florida

conference that PWCs reacted differently to chelation and he wasn't in favour of

it. (FYI.. this poster mentioned it as a throwaway comment so I'm not sure how

accurate this is.)

I also notice that someone on this list who is apparently recovered said she

used B12 to get the mercury out of her brain.

Mercury has a half-life of 16+ years... so I wonder how effective methods other

than chelation are at getting rid of it.

Any input appreciated.

Louella

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January 21, 2007

Yes sure he does. I was tested through MELISA tests for lynfocite metal

sensitivity.

Actually I came out with only nickel sensitivity, and Dr. DM said it fits the

picture of intestinal dysbiosis (don't ask me why...).

I also did a hair mineral and heavy metal test but I don't rely on it a lot,

mostly because it measures only organic mercury (from food) and not inorganic

(from other sources).

By the way, I will remove all my amalgams starting from February anyway, I want

to reduce any possible form of toxicity in my body that could be burden.

Massimo

Re: mercury

Hi

I was wondering what kinds of experiences people have had with chelating?

I've had CFS for 10 years, tested high for lead and aluminum and planning on

doing mercury testing.

I assume that long term CFIDSers all have some type of problem with mercury or

heavy metals overload, yet this topic doesn't seem to come up much on the list.

Someone on another board said that Dr de Meirleir said at the recent Florida

conference that PWCs reacted differently to chelation and he wasn't in favour of

it. (FYI.. this poster mentioned it as a throwaway comment so I'm not sure how

accurate this is.)

I also notice that someone on this list who is apparently recovered said she

used B12 to get the mercury out of her brain.

Mercury has a half-life of 16+ years... so I wonder how effective methods

other than chelation are at getting rid of it.

Any input appreciated.

Louella

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August 27, 2007

Well said, a.

Even though you are simply an anecdotal story as an individual, just

like any one of us, you have a valid point. Just as people who are

sick have a right and responsibility to ask more questions, those of

us who are not sick have just as much right to ask questions from the

other side.

You're also brave for continuing to see a conventional doctor.

Sounds like you really have your sh*t together.

I'm in awe.

On Aug 27, 2007, at 8:28 PM, Pmc wrote:

> I don't know who you are and I think you maybe in the wrong group.

> All I know is I have been postive for almost 15 yrs and they still

> can't find a viral load in me and I have never even had a cold.I have

> never taken any meds and I have never had a symptom.So from my stand

> point I have no reason to believe In the hiv=aids thing.I have never

> done drugs or had a risky life style and yet they say I have

> it.According to all of her books she is right on the money as far as I

> can see.I have no reason to believe anything less.If I would have been

> told I was postive and then gotten sick I might have felt different

> but

> I have never even had a headache.SO why would I believe the

> doctors.And

> guess what I'm not the only one ,there's hundreds just like me.So they

> told me I would get sick and die and I would be gone in a yr.and

> here I

> am and all they can say now is that I must have a defect in my

> genes.GEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZ.Now my own doctor is starting to wonder why I'm

> different and is having Harvard to study me because they can't figure

> it out.Geez you think it could be because they were WRONG???????.a

>

August 27, 2007