Guest guest Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 Hi Han, yes, you are correct. NHS blood testing to check your level of thyroid hormones i.e. free T4 and free T3 only checks the levels that are floating around in your blood. They DO NOT check the level of fT4 and fT3 in your cells. We recommend the 24 hour Urine Test to see the amount of T4 and T3 that has actually been used by your cells. Every cell in the body and brain needs T3 to function – NOT thyroxine (T4). Yet, RCP, BTA ‘guidance’ recommends doctors treat hypothyroidism with the mainly inactive levothyroxine (T4) ONLY and that tri-iodothyronine (T3), (the ACTIVE thyroid hormone) whether synthetic or natural, should not be used. Thyroxine (T4) is a pro-hormone (mainly inactive) that must convert to T3 or it is unusable and the body becomes toxic with too much T4 in the blood. Synthetic thyroxine (Levothyroxine) ‘appears’ to work for many sufferers, but a large minority, for many and varied reasons, are unable to convert it to T3. This DOES NOT show up in the blood. Frighteningly, the BTA and RCP actively boycott all T3-containing thyroid hormone products. Many sufferers need T3. Without T3, we die. Medical science showed this over 40 years ago, yet the BTA, RCP refuse to acknowledge this. There are many patient and scientific counterexamples to T4-only treatment. These patients fare poorly under the medical prescriptions of T4-only, but do well using a T3 hormone containing product. The proscription of T3 containing products is not only illogical, unethical and nonsensical; it is medically unreliable. Many counterexamples to T4 only therapy are found in living, testifying patients and in peer-reviewed medical science journals. Already, we have over 460 counterexamples listed in our Register which will eventually be passed on to the medical authorities to show T4-only therapy is wrong for a large minority of sufferers. Many people suffer with peripheral resistance to thyroid hormones at the cellular level. It is not due to a lack of thyroid hormones being secreted by the thyroid gland. Normal amounts of thyroid hormones and TSH are detected by blood tests; but blood tests DO NOT DETECT 'Type 2 Hypothyroidism' Type 2 is usually inherited. However, environmental toxins may also cause or exacerbate the problem. The pervasivness of Type 2 hypothyroidism has yet to be recognised by mainstream medicine but already is in epidemic proportions. Luv - Sheila I am wondering about the information gained from FT3 testing. For e.g if the FT3 shows a fairly medium to high reading am I right in thinking that this is just measuring the levels in the blood and not in the cells? So would it then follow that a high end lab reading of FT3 may suggest to the Dr that everything is fine with the conversion of T4 to T3, when this may not be the case at all. So the person remains unwell but nothing is done because the reading looks fine! Is there another test which measures the actual level of T3 working in the cells? Han No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3191 - Release Date: 10/11/10 18:34:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 Hi, I'm sure nick will make his own comments, but if the T3 receptors are blocked with RT3 the the proper T3 can't get in a just will slosh around in the blood going nowhere- this is why you musn't take too much T4 if you are prone to RT3. > thyroid treatment > From: hannahleahy@...> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 20:29:37 +0000> Subject: T3 Question> > I am wondering about the information gained from FT3 testing. For e.g if the FT3 shows a fairly medium to high reading am I right in thinking that this is just measuring the levels in the blood and not in the cells? So would it then follow that a high end lab reading of FT3 may suggest to the Dr that everything is fine with the conversion of T4 to T3, when this may not be the case at all. So the person remains unwell but nothing is done because the reading looks fine! Is there another test which measures the actual level of T3 working in the cells?> Han> > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:38:09 +0100, you wrote: > > I'm sure nick will make his own comments, but if the T3 receptors are blocked with RT3 the the proper T3 can't get in a just will slosh around in the blood going nowhere- this is why you musn't take too much T4 if you are prone to RT3. The most reliable indication of the cellular levels is body temperature still. Low cortisol, high cortisol, low iron, high RT3 (and no doubt many other conditions) can prevent the T3 getting into the cells and lead to a slow metabolism. Without enough FT3 you stand no chance but as you rightly say it needs to get into the cells. There is no lab test I know of that will show this Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 You shouldn't take ANY T4 if you are prone to Reverse T3 - you should take ONLY T3. Luv - Sheila Hi, I'm sure nick will make his own comments, but if the T3 receptors are blocked with RT3 the the proper T3 can't get in a just will slosh around in the blood going nowhere- this is why you musn't take too much T4 if you are prone to RT3. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Hi , T3 and T4 are absorbed in different part of the gut so you can take T3 with food, but T4 should be taken on an empty stomach and not to eat or drink milk for an hour after. This applies also to any T4 containing med. HC should be taken with food- this applies to all adrenal support. There is no reason why you cannot take T3 and adrenal support together. T3 can be taken on an empty stomach if you prefer. thyroid treatment From: dnmk2@...Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 10:09:06 -0700Subject: T3 question Hi, Is it necessary to take T3 away from food and certain supplements like it is when taking drugs containing T4? If so, how do you do it if you have to take T3 every 3 or 4 hours? Also, can T3 be taken at the same time as HC or should HC be taken with food? Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Hi folks Anyone here on T3 with their iodine? I've been on T3 almost a week (25mcg split in two) and we take over 100mg Lugol's and nutrients. I waited until rhodiola stabilized my temps. At this point I am very much in the good day/bad day scheme of things. Has anyone found that thyroid meds have affected or been affected by iodine? Jury's still out on sleep. I take iodine first thing in the morning with 1/2 the T3. The other 1/2 T3 I take around noon. Anything else to consider? My BP is still rather low, but my low temps seem to have crept up a tiny bit since starting the T3. I can't tell if iodine affected temps because I think the thermometer I was using then was not working well. Jaye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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