Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Hi Jane I've never seen anywhere that does the loading test. Biolab do urinary iodine tests but it looks like it's just for a morning collection and not a loading test. Lou > > Does any one know where I can get an iodine loading test done in the UK. A quick google doesn't reveal much here just some US centres. > > Jane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Thanks Lou I will have a look at it, Its seems its difficult to test for saturation unless the test its 24hr loaded. Jane > > Hi Jane > > I've never seen anywhere that does the loading test. Biolab do urinary iodine tests but it looks like it's just for a morning collection and not a loading test. > > Lou > > --- In thyroid treatment , " jane " <tudorjane@> [Edit Abbrev Mod] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Jane, You wrote: > > > Does any one know where I can get an iodine loading test done in the UK. > A quick google doesn't reveal much here just some US centres. Don't bother. If you are inclined to believe lots of iodine will help you, just start taking it. The loading test is almost guaranteed to indicate an iodine " deficiency. " Even the author of the test admits that. Just be careful in going above about 3 mg per day, which is way below what the loading test uses. That is the threshold for allergic reactions. If you can take that much, you are probably safe taking more or even doing the loading test. However, there is absolutely no published research supporting benefits of any kind for doses above 1 mg per day. The RDA for someone with a working thyroid is 0.150 mg, and your thyroid medications already supply most of that. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Thats very interesting. What are your thoughts on work the work done by Dr's Drownstein, Flechas, Arbahams, , Derry etc. Their research and case studies would seem to contradict your take on the RDA and maximum dose. A loading test reveals proximity to saturation. Jane > > The loading test is almost guaranteed to > indicate an iodine " deficiency. " Even the author of the test admits > that. Just be careful in going above about 3 mg per day, which is way > If you can take that much, you are probably safe taking more > or even doing the loading test. However, there is absolutely no > published research supporting benefits of any kind for doses above 1 mg > per day. The RDA for someone with a working thyroid is 0.150 mg, and >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Jane, You wrote: > > Thats very interesting. > > What are your thoughts on work the work done by Dr's Drownstein, > Flechas, Arbahams, , Derry etc. Their research and case studies > would seem to contradict your take on the RDA and maximum dose. A > loading test reveals proximity to saturation. Most of them have direct interests in Optimox, the company that sells Iodoral, and their " research " is really anecdotal reports published in a magazine for chiropractors, deceptively called, " Original Internist. " Abraham, for example, OWNS Optimox. Some have published real research in peer-reviewed journals, but NONE of it, to my knowledge, involves the massive doses of iodine they recommend. You are welcome to flood us with peer-reviewed publications by them, if you think I am wrong. The loading test is patently bogus, because it ignores the massive fraction of iodine that is eliminated in feces. They only measure iodine in urine. When that is much less than the original 50 mg or so taken in, they assume it indicates a severe deficiency. This is why you have to go to one of the " iodine docs " to " get " the test. They sell the Iodoral. The lab simply measures iodine in urine. Otherwise, it is not a standard test. Most doctors do not recognize it. Again, I suggest you look up any Material Safety Data Sheet on iodine, and note the widely recognized risks associated with exposures above 3 mg per day. People have died from doses lower than the loading test requires. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Hi, Jane. I'd like to have this test, too if I had the chances. Iodine urinary loading test is an accurate indicator which shows your iodine level is good or not no matter who you are including hypos. Fragrance > > > > > The loading test is almost guaranteed to > > indicate an iodine " deficiency. " Even the author of the test admits > > that. Just be careful in going above about 3 mg per day, which is way > > If you can take that much, you are probably safe taking more > > or even doing the loading test. > > However, there is absolutely no > > published research supporting benefits of any kind for doses above 1 mg > > per day. The RDA for someone with a working thyroid is 0.150 mg, and > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Fragrance, You wrote: > > I'd like to have this test, too if I had the chances. Iodine urinary > loading test is an accurate indicator which shows your iodine level is > good or not no matter who you are including hypos. Please give us a peer-reviewed study that supports any of this. Here is an essay by a physician that specializes in alternative medicine that explains why the loading test is a load. http://www.townsendletter.com/AugSept2005/gabyiodine0805.htm Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Hi, Chuck I've read about the iodine nutritonal evaluation in books. One is from the Endocrine medical book, which was written by T. Dunn from U of Virgina in his article " iodine deficiency " . It said that " The urinary iodine concentration is the single most useful test in assessing populations. " And I've read the same thing in other books for assessing iodine levels. Fragrance oidpatientadvocacy , Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: > > Fragrance, > > You wrote: > > > > I'd like to have this test, too if I had the chances. Iodine urinary > > loading test is an accurate indicator which shows your iodine level is > > good or not no matter who you are including hypos. > > Please give us a peer-reviewed study that supports any of this. Here is > an essay by a physician that specializes in alternative medicine that > explains why the loading test is a load. > > http://www.townsendletter.com/AugSept2005/gabyiodine0805.htm > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Fragrance, You wrote: > > I've read about the iodine nutritonal evaluation in books. One is from > the Endocrine medical book, which was written by T. Dunn from U of > Virgina in his article " iodine deficiency " . It said that " The urinary > iodine concentration is the single most useful test in assessing > populations. " And I've read the same thing in other books for assessing > iodine levels. Sure, but established tests are looking for a completely different sort of " deficiency, " than what the loading test purportedly detects. To endos, a deficiency results from an intake of way less than the RDA of 0.15 mg. The loading test starts with a huge 50 mg ingestion and then looks for elimination through urine. Since different fractions of iodine are eliminated by different routes when the intake is less than 0.15 mg versus 50 mg, you cannot properly scale the urine fraction to iodine saturation. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 All,I recently did a iodine loading/bromide/fluoride test using Hakala Labs, and the following are the results going back several years: Date Bromide Iodine Excretion Fluoride 10/9/2008 N/A 81 L N/A 3/19/2009 33.57 H 79 L N/A 9/19/2009 54.05 H 87 L N/A 3/21/2010 22.4 H 63 L N/A 3/20/2011 29.9 H 96 H 2.6 For the last year I have been taking anywhere from 50 to 100 mg Iodoral/Lugols per day. I am disappointed in the results because I have been doing this for several years now, started in 09/2007, and it does not seem like I am making much progress, if any. What are your recommendations? Also, why do you think the 96% excretion is so high compared to the past?Also, I have been taking the companion nutrients, salt loading, etc. I have had very few, if any, detox symptoms. I have gained 15 pounds, but I am 50 so that maybe age related. I am a 4 1/2 year breast cancer survivor, ER+, PR+, HER-.Thanks in advance for your comments. If there is anything encouraging in the results, please share because I do not see it. Lu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 Your results over time look very similar to mine, although I never got to 96 percent saturation. I think the results are very positive -- over a period of 3 years you have become iodine sufficient. If your high numbers were the results of a symporter defect you wouldn't have the 63 % tucked in there. Others who know more will likely comment. BarbF In a message dated 3/26/2011 7:40:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brown6267@... writes: All,I recently did a iodine loading/bromide/fluoride test using Hakala Labs, and the following are the results going back several years: Date Bromide IodineExcretion Fluoride 10/9/2008 N/A 81 L N/A 3/19/2009 33.57 H 79 L N/A 9/19/2009 54.05 H 87 L N/A 3/21/2010 22.4 H 63 L N/A 3/20/2011 29.9 H 96 H 2.6For the last year I have been taking anywhere from 50 to 100 mg Iodoral/Lugols per day. I am disappointed in the results because I have been doing this for several years now, started in 09/2007, and it does not seem like I am making much progress, if any. What are your recommendations? Also, why do you think the 96% excretion is so high compared to the past?Also, I have been taking the companion nutrients, salt loading, etc. I have had very few, if any, detox symptoms. I have gained 15 pounds, but I am 50 so that maybe age related. I am a 4 1/2 year breast cancer survivor, ER+, PR+, HER-.Thanks in advance for your comments. If there is anything encouraging in the results, please share because I do not see it. Lu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 Hi Lu,Thank you for posting your results including bromides. It is very interesting to see how much bromide you are flushing out. I don't think you have become iodine sufficient. Any value of iodine excretion is cancelled out when bromide values are higher than 10. You are carrying high numbers of bromide and the high values of iodine excretion means weak symporters. You should shut for a bromide excretion <10. When this is achieved the iodine excretion result is meaningful for body saturation. I have experienced that the symporter defect doesn't have to be present before iodine supplementation. Symporters can get damaged at any given time for any reason. To heal or support the symporters Dr. Abraham suggest vit C. You migh try to change vit C brand and use the maximum you can stand, also pay attention to your B's. For the B's everybody seems to be very different and you have to keep them inside your body in balance. If you feel fatigue or lack of energy you might need the ATP cofactors.Abraham, G.E., Brownstein, D.,Evidence that the administration of Vitamin C improves a defective cellular transport mechanism for iodine: A case report. The Original Internist, 12(3):125-130, 2005http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htmI've been using liposomal C and helps me a lot to keep healthy my symporters and keep flushing those high numbers of bromides. Your body needs for iodine might be high due to your cancer history and it is good for cancer prevention.Hope it helps.From: "Bbircie@..." <Bbircie@...>iodine Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 7:02:12 AMSubject: Re: Iodine Loading Test Your results over time look very similar to mine, although I never got to 96 percent saturation. I think the results are very positive -- over a period of 3 years you have become iodine sufficient. If your high numbers were the results of a symporter defect you wouldn't have the 63 % tucked in there. Others who know more will likely comment. BarbF In a message dated 3/26/2011 7:40:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brown6267@... writes: All,I recently did a iodine loading/bromide/fluoride test using Hakala Labs, and the following are the results going back several years: Date Bromide IodineExcretion Fluoride 10/9/2008 N/A 81 L N/A 3/19/2009 33.57 H 79 L N/A 9/19/2009 54.05 H 87 L N/A 3/21/2010 22.4 H 63 L N/A 3/20/2011 29.9 H 96 H 2.6For the last year I have been taking anywhere from 50 to 100 mg Iodoral/Lugols per day. I am disappointed in the results because I have been doing this for several years now, started in 09/2007, and it does not seem like I am making much progress, if any. What are your recommendations? Also, why do you think the 96% excretion is so high compared to the past?Also, I have been taking the companion nutrients, salt loading, etc. I have had very few, if any, detox symptoms. I have gained 15 pounds, but I am 50 so that maybe age related. I am a 4 1/2 year breast cancer survivor, ER+, PR+, HER-.Thanks in advance for your comments. If there is anything encouraging in the results, please share because I do not see it. Lu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 No it is totally different and does not require supplementing prior to testing. It is only a measurement of what you have consumed over the last few days. You can only get the loading test from Hakala Labs, FFP Labs, DDI and VRP. They are explained in the new members document. No other test will give you saturation levels and you are wasting your money and time. Buist, ND iodine loading test i had my doctor fax a prescription for an iodine loading test to quest laboratories. when i went to quest, they told me they had no clue what an iodine loading test was, but they had three iodine tests, a hematology test, a random iodine test, and a 24 hour urine test. is the 24 hour urine test they do the same thing as the iodine loading test as long as i take the 50 mg. of iodoral? i did this 24 hour urine test with them before, but i was only taking about one milligram of iodine at the time and the results were very strange. the results were: total volume: 5200 mL (i drink a lot of water) :)value: 1191 mcgnormal: 75-500 mcg/24Hflag: HighThe only other wild card in my history is that my doctor prescribed iodiquinol (yodoxin) for an intestinal parasite (blastocystis hominis) a few years ago. i only did one 20 day round of it, for it really made me ill and exacerbated my symptoms terribly. (i was supposed to do 2 rounds of it, 20 days on, 20 days rest, 20 days on again). the iodiquinol tablets were 650 mg, 3 times a day and they contained 62% iodine, if i remember correctly. that means that i received over a gram of iodine a day for 20 days. i wonder what that may have done to me or my thyroid?barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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