Guest guest Posted December 3, 1999 Report Share Posted December 3, 1999 > I have had excellent success with phentermine and with > piracetam (Nootropil) but I don't understand the > mechanism of these drugs > and suffer insomnia and > constipation when I take them in doses high enough to > keep me at peak level Could you please tell me how what dosing regimin you've tried with piracetam? I planned to start my piracetam today, but must wait until after my EEG on monday. You may not want to write off piracetam just yet. I just talked to a friend of mine who uses piracetam with her son who has down's syndrome. Her son has taken it for several years (with great success). What she's learned to make it work better for her son: - He can't take his " optimal " dose either because he can't sleep. Since piracetam works so dramatically better than anything else they've tried he takes an amount less than " optimal " but that still allows much greater functioning. - He used to crash every other day. They found this was related to acetylcholine metabolism in the brain. What they found that eliminated the crashes is mixing 800mg piracetam with 150mg of DMAE (which easily passes the blood/brain barrier and stimulates cholinergic activity) and 375mg each of choline & inositol) and he takes this 2x/day. (oh yes, later she learned to add 150mg caffeine - this prolongs the effect) I realize the above relates to using piracetam for down's syndrome and may or may not have anything to do with how PWCs may react. Another tidbit of info that may relate to piracetam usage is a study where piracetam was shown to have no effect at all, at any dosage, in mice who had their adrenal glands removed. This shows that piracetam is somehow dependent on adrenal hormones. Perhaps experimenting with things that either suppress or promote adrenal hormones may allow more fine tuning. Patti -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2000 Report Share Posted September 24, 2000 Angie, When my daughter was in first grade, we too put her on Ritalin-- She started doing things in 3's and stopping the Ritalin did indeed stop the OCD. However, in 5th grade, the OCD appeared full blown anyway-- I think the general consensus is that Ritalin can bring out the symptoms and worsen them, but that the OCD is present first. Ellen/NY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2000 Report Share Posted September 24, 2000 Hi My daughter was just prescribed Ritalin to give her energy,speed up her metabolism,and wake her up.She is also on Zoloft and the combination seems to be working at the present time.She was sleeping this summer anywhere from 18 to 22 hours a day and didn't want to get up.It hasn't made her OCD any worse and all of her OCD issues and school issues have vastly improved. Theresa ritalin Hi everyone, I have a friend whos little boy has been on ritalin for three years. During those three years her son developed OCD. She had stopped the ritalin because his doses were getting high. He was taking 30mg every 3 hrs. She stopped givinging the ritalin to him and her son's OCD stopped. He didn't develope ocd until he was placed on Ritalin. Now that he is off the ocd is gone. She said that the phrarmacist told her OCD was a side effect. THe doctor told her that if a child was predisposed to having OCD then the ritalin would bring it out. Well her little boy has no OCD it was from the ritalin. Just thought this maybe helpful to anyone out there who is battleling OCD and their child is on ritalin. Take care Angie TxYou may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing listserv@... . In the body of your message write: subscribe OCD-L your name. You may subscribe to the Parents of Adults with OCD List at parentsofadultswithOCD . You may access the files, links, and archives for our list at . Our list advisors are Tamar Chansky, Ph.D., and Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D. Our list moderators are Birkhan, Kathy Hammes, Jule Monnens, Gail Pesses, Roman, and Jackie Stout. Subscription issues, problems, or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at harkins@... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2000 Report Share Posted September 25, 2000 In a message dated 9/25/00 11:44:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, egroups writes: << nathan became aggressive when on cylert and when on clonidine, but ritalin, a narcotic stimulant, does wonders on him. shawna. >> a: Isn't that weird about kids being able to tolerate different med's?? was on Ritalin and started NEW behaviors after being on it for a month....he started hitting, spitting, kicking, and lost his appetite completely.....I almost contemplated putting his G-tube back in!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2000 Report Share Posted September 25, 2000 i know, i almost feel sorry for the docs putting up with us as htey do and trying to help our soooo many diffeerent kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2000 Report Share Posted September 25, 2000 Hello, I will contest to the fact that durring a 6month period when my daughter was off anti-ocd meds and only on Ritalin then switched to Adderall her anxiety soared which in turn made her ocd get full blown again. The pychiatrist that we went to see said that stimulants were absolutley the wrong type of med for her. Nikki in O'town Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2000 Report Share Posted September 25, 2000 In a message dated 9/25/00 5:26:02 PM Mountain Daylight Time, ANGELO5@... writes: << Hello, I will contest to the fact that durring a 6month period when my daughter was off anti-ocd meds and only on Ritalin then switched to Adderall her anxiety soared which in turn made her ocd get full blown again. The pychiatrist that we went to see said that stimulants were absolutley the wrong type of med for her. Nikki in O'town >> I was also cautioned that stimulants such as ritalin were absolutely wrong for my daughter and would make her symptoms worse (OCD, Tourettes Syndrome, ADHD). The only treatment I use for the ADHD is clonadine. Zoloft for the OCD, loxapine for Tourettes. Jay in Colorado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2000 Report Share Posted September 26, 2000 Hi Jay, I just thought I would add that the clonadine made concentration level go out the window and she said her mind felt blank. She couldnt think about anything or copy things from a book to paper, think how to do a math problem and forgot most of her mult. tables.When we stopped it all these things went away, she only took it for 8days. Just thought I'd add that, take care! Nikki in O'town Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2000 Report Share Posted September 26, 2000 Hi: My son also has AD/HD and OCD. He was initially treated with trials of Dexedrine and Adderall. He had horrific problems with rebound from Dexedrine and Adderall appeared to be a much better choice for him. We did not see his compulsive behaviour increase but we did not see a decrease in his tantrums over his needin things to be a certain way and his ocd type behaviour did move on to include more symptoms. We finally decided to add Prozac, which allowed him to function, decreased the frequency, duration and intensity of his meltdowns and has allowed him to paricipate in society, which was not completely the case pre-prozac. We did switch to Celexa this summer and we had to put him back on Prozac just as school was starting. He is no longer taking Adderall. We have switched to Concerta - the new 12hr. methylfenidate(Ritalin). This drug is allowing my son to concentrate well enough to have spent most of him time in his classroom! Last year he spent most of his time in the special ed suite. We have not experienced rebound with this medication with the exception of the time period that we were fooling with dosages - I can also tell when it wears off in the evening. We are also seeing his transition better than he has been able to in the past. He has been on it almost a month so I am hopeful that this may be what he needs for now. Has anyone else started Concerta yet? --- Jay7138658@... wrote: > In a message dated 9/25/00 5:26:02 PM Mountain > Daylight Time, ANGELO5@... > writes: > > << > Hello, I will contest to the fact that durring a > 6month period when my > daughter was off anti-ocd meds and only on > Ritalin then switched to > Adderall her anxiety soared which in turn made her > ocd get full blown again. > The pychiatrist that we went to see said that > stimulants were absolutley the > wrong type of med for her. Nikki in O'town > >> > > I was also cautioned that stimulants such as ritalin > were absolutely wrong > for my daughter and would make her symptoms worse > (OCD, Tourettes Syndrome, > ADHD). The only treatment I use for the ADHD is > clonadine. Zoloft for the > OCD, loxapine for Tourettes. > Jay in Colorado > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2000 Report Share Posted November 9, 2000 where do you live.. perhaps he could help me? Carol in LI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2000 Report Share Posted November 9, 2000 I don't know about dexedrine, but my dr let me try ritalin without fear for his license and I am well beyond 18. Unfortunately, all it did was make me jittery. -Theresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2000 Report Share Posted November 9, 2000 >where do you live.. perhaps he could help me? > Carol in LI Carol, I live in land and his office is in Bethesda, MD. - Dr. Rothenberg. -Theresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2001 Report Share Posted March 8, 2001 I found the posting on Ritalin. Shelby, you say you've been taking Ritalin. Are you AIH? How long? How much Prednisone are you taking now? Harper (AIH 5/00) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 Harper, I was dx in November I started Imuran and Predinose then. I started Ritalin two weeks ago and I can tell the difference in my engery levels. There are few side effects to that medicine (probaly the only one I know of) but it seems to be working. I thank all you for the help with the tan. I will try self tanners and see if that works. Little red dots are not fun. I have the " rash " but it is gone now Thank God. I love all the great information that I am getting from this group. Thanks Shelby __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 nathan now 9yrs had been on ritalin since he was around 3-4years old, and it slowed him downt trememdously!!But he would be moody on it and we would have to give it every 3-4hours up to 3xs daily, now for a month we have been on concerta, and its much nicer, no appetite loss, only once a day med time, and he is even calm in th eevening. But i think one has to be successful with ritalin before they will consider concerta ( a newwer form of time released ritalin) also takes luvox 25mg daily to help with OCD, but we will try to up it in may because it is helping his mood (also an antidepressent)but not the constant obsessing with things, especially his clothing and shoes. The docs say too that with a person like nathan or add/hd, one doesnt have to worry about addiction, it doesnt work that way on these types of people. shawna. >From: " Lori Ali " <lali@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: ritalin >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:20:47 -0400 > >He everyone, we have been in North Carolina visting my mom, and I am trying >to read all the post. > >Terry {{{prayers going out to your son and dil and the baby, my friend just >had a baby at 27 weeks 1 lb 7 oz and she is 3 months now and doing great, >hang in there}}}} > > I can't believe they are doing this to you it has to be illegal, you >are in my prayers and I hope everything works out for you. > >Took Tommy to the psych today and they put him on ritalin, he was diagnosed >with adhd about 1 month ago. He is only on 1/2 of a 5mg tablet 2 times a >day, along with seroqual twice a day at 25 mg and 5 clonidine at bedtime. >Is anyone elses child on ritalin, I can't remember they said it would >either slow him down or speed him up I can give it 2 days if he is more >hyper take him off. I feel so bad trying it but if it could slow him down >just a little he would do so much better. Let me know of any experiences >you have good or bad. > >Thanks {{{prayers to anyone else I missed having a difficult time}}}}}} > > >Lori mom to Tommy 6 ds,autism, adhd, crohns disease > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2001 Report Share Posted April 14, 2001 a, Just curious....did you or anyone else on this list try Zoloft? Gene saw Dr. Bonnie in Cincinnati last week. She was great and so was the speech pathologist that works with her. She didn't really have much new info for us, but she thought Zoloft was one SSRI that helped with the sensory issues pretty well. Gene isn't currently on any meds but I find at school he has trouble doing desk work because he is rather unfocused, rocking, etc. We do sensory acitivities every two hours but by 2PM, they pretty much have lost him with working at his desk for even short periods of time. I haven't seen alot about Zoloft on this list....she also recommended Paxil. Any thoughts? Lauri , mom to Gene age 12 in MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2001 Report Share Posted April 14, 2001 yes we tried both paxil and zoloft with bad results, sorry. nathan also does lts of SI throughout his school day, this seems to help him lots, not completely, but he is better with it, than he was without it.shawna. >From: timothytlstein@... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: ritalin >Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:13:10 EDT > >a, > >Just curious....did you or anyone else on this list try Zoloft? Gene saw >Dr. >Bonnie in Cincinnati last week. She was great and so was the >speech pathologist that works with her. She didn't really have much new >info >for us, but she thought Zoloft was one SSRI that helped with the sensory >issues pretty well. Gene isn't currently on any meds but I find at school >he >has trouble doing desk work because he is rather unfocused, rocking, etc. >We >do sensory acitivities every two hours but by 2PM, they pretty much have >lost >him with working at his desk for even short periods of time. > >I haven't seen alot about Zoloft on this list....she also recommended >Paxil. >Any thoughts? > >Lauri , mom to Gene age 12 in MI _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2001 Report Share Posted April 15, 2001 Lauri, tried Zoloft a couple of years ago. At first I thought there was a difference, but then he started having " outbursts " ...I don't know how else to describe them. He would start making a kind of yelling-growling noise and it would get louder and louder. Eventually, it was loud enough to hear across the street from inside our house. The episodes had a beginning and end and occurred several times per day. They started after we started the Zoloft and ended when he was off of it. Terry Mom to , 14 yrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2001 Report Share Posted May 14, 2001 Your welcome. May have more to pass your way soon. Ellen ladylumbee@... I do not suffer from my insanity***I ENJOY every second of it. hehe haha hoho Ritalin > 05/14/2001 > 02:16 PM > Please respond > to > Vaccinations > > > > > > > Breggin MD expert on Ritalin as well as other drugs > momsoftheheart/links/Experts_for_Court_0009803 93092/Breggin__MD_000980346307/ > > > The drugging of preschoolers is on the rise, study shows -- April 2000 > Educatio > http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2000/apr00/drugging-preschoolers.html > > Britain Ritalin ban recommended for children under five years of age. > http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/sep2000/rit-s09.shtml > > Court says claim against Ritalin " vague, unclear " > http://www.individual.com/servlet/BuildIssue?mode=topics & content_src=/frames /sto\ry.shtml%3fstory=b0313051.8rg%26level3=552%26date=20010314%26inIssue=TR UE > > > DEA - Publications - Press Releases Ritalin - September 13, 1995.htm > momsoftheheart/message/7545 > > Did Company Overpromote ADD-ADHD, Ritalin > http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/ritalin_lawsuit0808.html > > > FDA Search Ritalin > message/momsoftheheart/5832 > > Is Ritalin Keeping Your Child and You Awake at . > http://cbshealthwatch.medscape.com/medscape/p/G_library/article.asp?RecID=20 5404 & Channel=18 > > > Is Ritalin Raising Kids To Be Drug Addicts -- Phyllis Schlafly June 21, > 2000 co > http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2000/june00/00-06-21.html > > Is Ritalin a Quick Fix? > http://www.psycport.com/news/2000/12/26/eng-startribune/eng-startribune_0145 35_217_806647324469.html > > > Lawsuit Accuses Ritalin and the APA > http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/EMIHC000/333/8895/297883.html > > Lawsuits Allege Conspiracy in Ritalin Use; Congressman Urges Probe of > Abuses > http://pediatrics.medscape.com/reuters/prof/2000/09/09.15/20000915legl001.ht ml > > > Methylphenidate (Ritalin).htm > momsoftheheart/message/8417 > > Methylphenidate Research Ritalin > http://www.mentalhealth.com/drugrs/f33-r03.html > > More Ritalin Hearings.htm > http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa092000a.htm > > New Research/ Shrinks Win Ritalin Battle > momsoftheheart/message/8568 > > This is the story to go with my previous post > Parents Told to Give Child Ritalin.htm > http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa081700a.htm > > Pharmacy Attackd Over Ritalin.htm > http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa100400a.htm > > Psychiatric drug use in toddlers soars > http://www.msnbc.com/news/373292.asp > > Rising use of psychiatric drugs in toddler cases called alarming > http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/archives/2000/feb/23/risinguse23.htm > > Ritalin > http://www.tiac.net/users/smilsch/home/ritalin.htm > > Ritalin (METHYLPHENIDATE HYDROCHLORIDE ) > http://bnf.org/scripts/display2.dll/openat?ID=31967 > > Ritalin Class Action Suit > http://keirsey.com/ritalinsuit.html > > Ritalin Faces Competition As More ADHD Children Are Diagnosed > http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/EMIHC000/333/333/306473.html > > Ritalin On the Ropes 10-1-00.htm > http://www.mercola.com/2000/oct/1/ritalin.htm > > Ritalin Suit; Funding For Special Ed. > message/momsoftheheart/3001 > > Ritalin Violence Against Boys.htm > http://www.massnews.com/vioboy.htm > > Ritalin and Clonidine found not to increase Tics.htm > http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa101700a.htm > > Scandal! They Haven't Tested Ritalin on the Children It's Prescribed For! > Scand > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64888-2000Dec29.html > > Suits Charge Conspiracy by Maker and Doctors' Group to Expand Ritalin Use > http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/14/science/14RITA.html > > Teen are using Ritalin to get High > http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/EMIHC000/333/333/301906.html > > Texas School Board Adopts Resolution --Opposing Psychiatric Drugs for > Children > http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2001/jan01/tx-school-bd.shtml > > The ADD Press Kit.htm Ritalin Lawsuits > http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa091900a.htm > > The Ritalin Resolution in Texas.htm > http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa110600a.htm > > The Ritalin Wars Continue 1-7-01.htm > http://www.mercola.com/2001/jan/7/add_ritalin.htm > > UK Drug Watchdog Approves Ritalin Use > http://pediatrics.medscape.com/29424.rhtml?srcmp=ped-110300 > > US Courts Forcing Parents to Medicate Kids for ADD/ADHD > http://www.mercola.com/2000/aug/13/courts_adhd.htm > > US parents sue psychiatrists for promoting Ritalin > http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/321/7263/723 > > Untested Ritalin/Prozac Combination Used by More Children > http://www.mercola.com/2000/may/21/ritalin_prozac_adhd.htm > > WHY ARE SO MANY KIDS ON RITALIN.htm > http://www.mercola.com/1998/oct/12/ritalin.htm > > Washington Post Health 1999 May 25 Running at Ritalin. - thrive@health > http://www.thriveonline.com/health/Library/CAD/abstract951.html > > What you should know about Ritalin > http://humanrights.about.com/newsissues/humanrights/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?s ite=http%3A%2F%2Fpages.cthome.net%2Fhenry-helps%2Findex.html > > > > > Ellen > ladylumbee@... > I do not suffer from my insanity***I ENJOY every second of it. > hehe haha hoho > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2001 Report Share Posted May 14, 2001 WONDERFUL! THANKS I will keep this for when I need backup. (smile) Margaret White " Lady Lumbee " <ladylumbee@ne <Vaccinations > tease.net> cc: <JILBAIT@...> Subject: Ritalin 05/14/2001 02:16 PM Please respond to Vaccinations Breggin MD expert on Ritalin as well as other drugs momsoftheheart/links/Experts_for_Court_00098039309\ 2/Breggin__MD_000980346307/ The drugging of preschoolers is on the rise, study shows -- April 2000 Educatio http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2000/apr00/drugging-preschoolers.html Britain Ritalin ban recommended for children under five years of age. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/sep2000/rit-s09.shtml Court says claim against Ritalin " vague, unclear " http://www.individual.com/servlet/BuildIssue?mode=topics & content_src=/frames/sto\ \ry.shtml%3fstory=b0313051.8rg%26level3=552%26date=20010314%26inIssue=TRUE DEA - Publications - Press Releases Ritalin - September 13, 1995.htm momsoftheheart/message/7545 Did Company Overpromote ADD-ADHD, Ritalin http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/ritalin_lawsuit0808.html FDA Search Ritalin message/momsoftheheart/5832 Is Ritalin Keeping Your Child and You Awake at . http://cbshealthwatch.medscape.com/medscape/p/G_library/article.asp?RecID=205404\ & Channel=18 Is Ritalin Raising Kids To Be Drug Addicts -- Phyllis Schlafly June 21, 2000 co http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2000/june00/00-06-21.html Is Ritalin a Quick Fix? http://www.psycport.com/news/2000/12/26/eng-startribune/eng-startribune_014535_2\ 17_806647324469.html Lawsuit Accuses Ritalin and the APA http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/EMIHC000/333/8895/297883.html Lawsuits Allege Conspiracy in Ritalin Use; Congressman Urges Probe of Abuses http://pediatrics.medscape.com/reuters/prof/2000/09/09.15/20000915legl001.html Methylphenidate (Ritalin).htm momsoftheheart/message/8417 Methylphenidate Research Ritalin http://www.mentalhealth.com/drugrs/f33-r03.html More Ritalin Hearings.htm http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa092000a.htm New Research/ Shrinks Win Ritalin Battle momsoftheheart/message/8568 This is the story to go with my previous post Parents Told to Give Child Ritalin.htm http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa081700a.htm Pharmacy Attackd Over Ritalin.htm http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa100400a.htm Psychiatric drug use in toddlers soars http://www.msnbc.com/news/373292.asp Rising use of psychiatric drugs in toddler cases called alarming http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/archives/2000/feb/23/risinguse23.htm Ritalin http://www.tiac.net/users/smilsch/home/ritalin.htm Ritalin (METHYLPHENIDATE HYDROCHLORIDE ) http://bnf.org/scripts/display2.dll/openat?ID=31967 Ritalin Class Action Suit http://keirsey.com/ritalinsuit.html Ritalin Faces Competition As More ADHD Children Are Diagnosed http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/EMIHC000/333/333/306473.html Ritalin On the Ropes 10-1-00.htm http://www.mercola.com/2000/oct/1/ritalin.htm Ritalin Suit; Funding For Special Ed. message/momsoftheheart/3001 Ritalin Violence Against Boys.htm http://www.massnews.com/vioboy.htm Ritalin and Clonidine found not to increase Tics.htm http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa101700a.htm Scandal! They Haven't Tested Ritalin on the Children It's Prescribed For! Scand http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64888-2000Dec29.html Suits Charge Conspiracy by Maker and Doctors' Group to Expand Ritalin Use http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/14/science/14RITA.html Teen are using Ritalin to get High http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/EMIHC000/333/333/301906.html Texas School Board Adopts Resolution --Opposing Psychiatric Drugs for Children http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2001/jan01/tx-school-bd.shtml The ADD Press Kit.htm Ritalin Lawsuits http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa091900a.htm The Ritalin Resolution in Texas.htm http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa110600a.htm The Ritalin Wars Continue 1-7-01.htm http://www.mercola.com/2001/jan/7/add_ritalin.htm UK Drug Watchdog Approves Ritalin Use http://pediatrics.medscape.com/29424.rhtml?srcmp=ped-110300 US Courts Forcing Parents to Medicate Kids for ADD/ADHD http://www.mercola.com/2000/aug/13/courts_adhd.htm US parents sue psychiatrists for promoting Ritalin http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/321/7263/723 Untested Ritalin/Prozac Combination Used by More Children http://www.mercola.com/2000/may/21/ritalin_prozac_adhd.htm WHY ARE SO MANY KIDS ON RITALIN.htm http://www.mercola.com/1998/oct/12/ritalin.htm Washington Post Health 1999 May 25 Running at Ritalin. - thrive@health http://www.thriveonline.com/health/Library/CAD/abstract951.html What you should know about Ritalin http://humanrights.about.com/newsissues/humanrights/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=\ http%3A%2F%2Fpages.cthome.net%2Fhenry-helps%2Findex.html Ellen ladylumbee@... I do not suffer from my insanity***I ENJOY every second of it. hehe haha hoho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2001 Report Share Posted May 15, 2001 In a message dated 5/14/01 9:26:18 PM GTB Daylight Time, ladylumbee@... writes: << Ritalin http://www.tiac.net/users/smilsch/home/ritalin.htm >> Alternatives to ritalin are at healthy.net http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/center.asp?centerid=4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2001 Report Share Posted May 17, 2001 Wow. That was a mass of info. Thanks Lady Lumbee I am not a medical doctor, nor do I portray one on t.v. (but my husband,Mike,is!) Laurie< Ohio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2001 Report Share Posted August 1, 2001 Just a year or so ago - here in Huntsville (AL) - a 17 yr old boy who had been on ritalin and other meds for his 'ADHD " took a hatchet and killed both of his parents, and attacked 3 of his 4 siblings (the 4th child was not home at the time) tried to attack a neighbor, then went on a high speed chase with the police until he crashed his car and was caught. One of the siblings - a 6 yr old brother - was in a coma for months from his injuries and is now permanently physically and mentally disabled, another has some brain damage and all 4 are having great emotional damage from this event. His lawyers are planning a major lawsuit against ritalin makers and also from his psychologist, etc. The boy says that the ritalin made him high and he would take increasingly higher doses and the psy. would just continue to give him refills. I would also like to mention that of the 3 children that I personally know - have been close to - that were given ritalin as youngsters --- all three are now drug addicts --- all three were basically good kids - never what i would consider hyper at all - 2 of them (boys) had very lenient parents, ... very little discipline (if any) at all ---. the oldest of these boys is now 21 and everytime he finds himself in trouble he uses his ADHD as an excuse- that's why he did this or that - poor boy can't help it (getting drunk, having a car accident and leaving the scene then lying about it)...now what does that have to do with ADHD?----- the 3d was a girl who was verbally abused by the mom who adopted her and i would say she was probably 'over' disciplined to the point of (i think) abuse. All 3 had inappropriate discipline. Of all the children that I have met that have been on ritalin - I have found this to be a common thread - either NO discipline or very severe discipline. Children who have rules and are made to follow them do not seem to have this " problem " of ADHD. When the schools were able to discipline students there didn't seem to be any ADHD either. Some say there were kids with ADHD way back when they just didn't call it that - well seems like the teachers and parents back then knew the answer and it wasn't medication. Those students apparently learned to control their " ADHD " - without ritalin - if they could control it then students should be able to 'control' it now. I had a niece that went to kindergarten and would not say a word. She went the whole year without ever saying one word to the teacher or the other kids. At home she would talk up a storm. She would come to visit us and would be talking a blue streak to my daughters but would not say anything when my husband or I came in the room. Of course, we would pamper and pet her and pretty much beg her to talk to us but she wouldn't. We would take her to Mcs and ask her what she wanted and she wouln't even shake her head yes or no when we tried to find out what to order for her. We would just order her the same as our girls were eating. One day I had enough - we went to Mcs and I asked her what she wanted and again all I got was the silent treatment. I said ok ... I guess you don't want anything. If you can't answer me I'm not ordering you anything. Well, lo and behold, in this tiny little voice came " I want a cheeseburger " . I never made a big deal about it but ordered her a cheeseburger. This silent bit only happened a few more times at our house and we handled it the same way and soon she was talking all the time. Anyway in kindergarten that year she ended up failing - they did not know she could read, and the 'poor little thing' was socially way behind, she was going to counselors every week and again would not talk - not a word. I asked her mom why she didn't do something and 'make' her talk at school. She was like " i asked her why she didn't talk and she just shrugs her shoulders, i don't know why she won't talk " . I told her mom about what we had done and how it worked so well but still she refused to do anything - just let her go on to school every day and not say a word and go to counseling every week and never speak. Well, the first day of the next school year arrives and the mom was sick so I got to take my niece to school for her. Here we go into the classroom to meet her kindergarten teacher - teacher talks to her and nothing - not a word - I said excuse us just a moment -- took my niece out into the hallway and told her if she did not answer the teacher when she spoke to her that I would spank her backside. we went back into the room - teacher spoke, my niece answered and from then on she talked every day in school. Everyone was amazed that all of a sudden she was talking. This child is now 17 and a straight A student and will tell you that the reason she did not talk is that she liked all the attention she got from not talking. the miracle cure of discipline worked great. Something to think about. Just thought i would throw this in there along with all the other talk about ritalin. Reba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2001 Report Share Posted August 1, 2001 --- kd1219@... wrote: > Just a year or so ago - here in Huntsville (AL) - a > 17 yr old boy who > had been on ritalin and other meds for his 'ADHD " > took a hatchet and > killed both of his parents ... {Etc.} Manson never took Ritalin. Jack the Ripper never took Ritalin. Albert DeSalvo never took Ritalin. Ted Bundy never took Ritalin. Dahmer never took Ritalin. Gee, I don't know about you, but I'm starting to see a real pattern here! Maybe *everybody* should take Ritalin! Come on, folks, give it up. Unless you've got real, useful medical or educational information to share, keep your finger off that " send " key. Dan Kennedy Internet services coordinator Little People of America, Inc. http://www.lpaonline.org Reply to: dkennedy@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2001 Report Share Posted August 1, 2001 I disagree, Dan. I also think you were missing the point. I believe that Reba (correct me if I'm wrong) was trying to point out the affects Ritalin CAN have on an individual. And How severe discipline or lack of can also affect someone. I believe she was also trying to point out how People USE their disability for excuses. And how people instead of trying to fix the problems, and get to the real issues, they use medication instead. I don't think this has anything to do with People like Jack the Ripper, or Ted Bundy, etc, we are talking about people who are on these medications, not those who aren't. I don't think people are trying to say that everybody should take Drugs. I understand where everyone is coming from. And I do agree with most everyone. I do believe that 70%, if not more, of the children on Ritalin shouldn't even be on it. My own nephew is one of them, and he's on it because my sister doesn't want to deal with him. And same with my cousin. But I do agree that SOMETIMES we need medication for an different things, and some cases. I believe that everyone has pointed out some really good facts, opinions, etc. I think this is a great topic! I also think that this DOES have things to do with Disabilities, dwarfism, and I believe that all this is useful medical and educational information. I could say more on this topic, but everything I want to say, has been pretty much covered! a ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Manson never took Ritalin. Jack the Ripper never took Ritalin. Albert DeSalvo never took Ritalin. Ted Bundy never took Ritalin. Dahmer never took Ritalin. Gee, I don't know about you, but I'm starting to see a real pattern here! Maybe *everybody* should take Ritalin! Come on, folks, give it up. Unless you've got real, useful medical or educational information to share, keep your finger off that " send " key. Dan Kennedy Internet services coordinator Little People of America, Inc all three are now drug addicts --- all three were basically good kids -never what i would consider hyper at all - 2 of them (boys) had very lenient parents, ... very little discipline (if any) at all ---. the oldest of these boys is now 21 and everytime he finds himself in trouble he uses his ADHD as an excuse- that's why he did this or that - poor boy can't help it (getting drunk, having a car accident and leaving the scene then lying about it)...now what does that have to do with ADHD?----- the 3d was a girl who was verbally abused by the mom who adopted her and i would say she was probably 'over' disciplined to the point of (i think) abuse. All 3 had inappropriate discipline. Of all the children that I have met that have been on ritalin - I have found this to be a common thread - either NO discipline or very severe discipline. Children who have rules and are made to follow them do not seem to have this " problem " of ADHD. When the schools were able to discipline students there didn't seem to be any ADHD either. Some say there were kids with ADHD way back when they just didn't call it that - well seems like the teachers and parents back then knew the answer and it wasn't medication. Those students apparently learned to control their " ADHD " - without ritalin - if they could control it then students should be able to 'control' it now. Something to think about. Just thought i would throw this in there along with all the other talk about ritalin. Reba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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