Ritalin

August 1, 2001

Thank you,Dan for trying to table this controversy.There will always be a

difference of opinion regarding this matter.

I,like Marge taught special education,and for some children it works and

others it doesn't. Only the parent,teacher, counselor and most of all a

neurologist should decide what is best for any child-not this list.

So-everyone-stifle yourselves and let's move on-even me!

August 2, 2001

Dan Kennedy wrote:

> --- kd1219@... wrote:

> > Just a year or so ago - here in Huntsville (AL) - a

> > 17 yr old boy who

> > had been on ritalin and other meds for his 'ADHD "

> > took a hatchet and

> > killed both of his parents ...

>

> {Etc.}

>

> Manson never took Ritalin. Jack the Ripper

> never took Ritalin. Albert DeSalvo never took Ritalin.

> Ted Bundy never took Ritalin. Dahmer never

> took Ritalin.

>

Yeah, but they all drank MILK!!!!!!

That's the culprit! DAMN THOSE COWS!!!

Can't you all see there's a bovine conspiracy to ruin humanity? Let me spell it

out for you:

A. Humans drink milk from cows.

B. Some humans kill other humans.

C. Common denominator? Ritalin? No! It's Milk!!!!

Join me everybody... " NO MORE COWS...NO MORE COWS...NO MORE COWS... "

Come on Robyne, I can't hear you...

-Bill Bradford, Lactose Intolerant

August 2, 2001

Well...be careful,there are those who think cows' milk is the devil...

Wait!I drank it while I was pregnant,it causes birth defects!Yipes!

Jill,who is all hopped up on nesquick.

Re: Re:ritalin

> Dan Kennedy wrote:

>

> > --- kd1219@... wrote:

> > > Just a year or so ago - here in Huntsville (AL) - a

> > > 17 yr old boy who

> > > had been on ritalin and other meds for his 'ADHD "

> > > took a hatchet and

> > > killed both of his parents ...

> >

> > {Etc.}

> >

> > Manson never took Ritalin. Jack the Ripper

> > never took Ritalin. Albert DeSalvo never took Ritalin.

> > Ted Bundy never took Ritalin. Dahmer never

> > took Ritalin.

> >

>

> Yeah, but they all drank MILK!!!!!!

>

> That's the culprit! DAMN THOSE COWS!!!

>

> Can't you all see there's a bovine conspiracy to ruin humanity? Let me

spell it out for you:

> A. Humans drink milk from cows.

> B. Some humans kill other humans.

> C. Common denominator? Ritalin? No! It's Milk!!!!

>

> Join me everybody... " NO MORE COWS...NO MORE COWS...NO MORE COWS... "

>

> Come on Robyne, I can't hear you...

>

> -Bill Bradford, Lactose Intolerant

>

August 4, 2001

Join me everybody... " NO MORE COWS...NO MORE COWS...NO MORE COWS... "

LOLOLOL!!!!

Frightening thing, there are actually people who would/do take that

seriously! (No joke- as a reporter, I get the weirdest stuff. But there is

actually a group out there which blames cows milk for everything from

increased diabetes risk to obesity, to actually makeing osteoperosis -did I

spell that right?- worse. But I for one, had a good laugh.

August 4, 2001

Scoff if you like, cows pose a serious threat to us all. Why did we

shut down the Apollo Project and our search for new cheese, may I ask?

Too...Many...Cows!

You didn't really believe that was a mechanical failure on Apollo 13

did you.

Next we should take a closer look at those fiddlin' felines.

Marty

ningerbil@... wrote:

> Join me everybody... " NO MORE COWS...NO MORE COWS...NO MORE COWS... "

>

> LOLOLOL!!!!

> Frightening thing, there are actually people who would/do take that

> seriously! (No joke- as a reporter, I get the weirdest stuff. But

> there is

> actually a group out there which blames cows milk for everything from

> increased diabetes risk to obesity, to actually makeing osteoperosis

> -did I

> spell that right?- worse. But I for one, had a good laugh.

>

> Looking to unsubscribe? Don't e-mail the list! Just send a blank

> e-mail to dwarfism-unsubscribe

>

August 4, 2001

WOW i got diebetes,those cows,how dare they! NO MORE COWS, NO MORE COWS!

but,coming from ~England,i should be saying no more sheep or lambs,cuz they

are all vanishing one by one,so no more kebobs for me! :-( aint the truth

sad!?

October 30, 2001

Dear a,

Thank you for your support! And if your documentation is Anti-Ritalin,

please forward it as soon as possible. We will send it out to everyone

we know! Also, are you familiar with Dr. Fred Baughman's site?

If not, please visit his site. I am sure you will enjoy seeing what

is being done (if you are anti-Ritalin...)

http://www.adhdfraud.org

The Avenging Angel

a wrote:

Hi

there

I

have just signed your petition about Prozac.Well

done.

I

recently put together a document about Ritalin that I circulate to whoever

possible.

Perhaps

you can use some of this!!

You

are welcome.

a

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January 18, 2002

oh sorry, dont worry, your concern was fine just

wanted to make sure you knew we know of the possible

insomnia to. shawna

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September 29, 2002

So why does he not believe in using Ritalin?

Terri

ritalin

> I know Dr G & research is against ritalin, however we have been

> truggling with our son for over 2 months now with self stim and

> inmpulsive behaviors. He has been off ritalin since June, per Dr G.

> advice. He is cuurently on Zoloft and Valtrex. Dr G tried hin=m on

> welbutrin but was not a good match. Anyway, he has gome from being

> in a regular classroom with an aide who helps him with his fine motor

> skill to a 3rd grader who is in a room all by himself, within a room

> in the resource room at his school. He works with his aide, does not

> go out for recess, specials or get to partake in any of the regular

> classroom activity because of his compulsive behaviors. Many of the

> behaviors are new to us. My heart is breaking for my son. Ritalin

> helped him last year control his comulsive behaviors and self

> stimulating behavior. 3rd graders can be so cruel and I see my son

> going down hill socially and behaviorally. Kids are forming

> meomories on my son. Anyone else on DrG.' plan but still use ritalin?

> gina

>

> Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

> the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

> opinion of the Research Institute.

>

September 30, 2002

Terri,

Dr. Goldberg says that Ritalin reduces blood flow THROUGHOUT the brain...

not just in the desired area. On the last videoconference, he gave the

example of a doctor starting a child on Ritalin and then wondering why their

IQ seemed to be dropping. He said that looking at a NeuroSPECT scan of this

child could show that the entire brain had less blood flow on Ritalin and

therefore was not functioning as well.

He does mention that there are alternatives that might be worth a try, such

as Tenex (a blood pressure med). I wish I remembered more, but that's some

of the basic info.

He also posted an article somewhere on his website concerning the

possibility that Ritalin could be a carcinogen.

If anyone can fill in the details here, please do.

Caroline

>On 9/29/02 3:50 PM, " Terri Avalon " <tavalon@...> wrote:

> So why does he not believe in using Ritalin?

>

> Terri

September 30, 2002

--Dr G believes that Ritalin is detremetal for kids. He says it

is like giving heroine to a child. In his videos, he states

that also

gina In @y..., " Terri Avalon " <tavalon@e...> wrote:

> So why does he not believe in using Ritalin?

>

> Terri

> ritalin

>

> > I know Dr G & research is against ritalin, however we have

been

> > truggling with our son for over 2 months now with self stim and

> > inmpulsive behaviors. He has been off ritalin since June, per Dr

G.

> > advice. He is cuurently on Zoloft and Valtrex. Dr G tried hin=m on

> > welbutrin but was not a good match. Anyway, he has gome from

being

> > in a regular classroom with an aide who helps him with his fine

motor

> > skill to a 3rd grader who is in a room all by himself, within a

room

> > in the resource room at his school. He works with his aide, does

not

> > go out for recess, specials or get to partake in any of the

regular

> > classroom activity because of his compulsive behaviors. Many of

the

> > behaviors are new to us. My heart is breaking for my son.

Ritalin

> > helped him last year control his comulsive behaviors and self

> > stimulating behavior. 3rd graders can be so cruel and I see my

son

> > going down hill socially and behaviorally. Kids are forming

> > meomories on my son. Anyone else on DrG.' plan but still use

ritalin?

> > gina

> >

> > Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

> > the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

> > opinion of the Research Institute.

> >

September 30, 2002

You're right, the studies Dr.G cited did compare Ritalin to cocaine not heroin.

Here is a new drug in the works,

Feingold Newsletter.

Atomoxetine as a potential replacement for Ritalin.

" Another ADHD drug is in the works. Atomoxetine is not classified as a

stimulant and does not involve the neurotransmitter dopamine, as does Ritalin.

Atomoxetine works by increasing the supply of the neurotransmitter,

norepinephrine, which helps to control impulsive behaviors. The manufacturer,

Eli Lilly, believes the drug will not trigger side effects such as tic disorders

that have been attributed to the use of Ritalin. Atomoxetine is being reviewed

by the FDA and is not yet available. "

Happy Mothers Day,

McCreary

September 30, 2002

In case some of you are confused, sorry, the Happy mothers day part was from

the last time I forwarded the post to someone.

Re: Ritalin

> You're right, the studies Dr.G cited did compare Ritalin to cocaine not

heroin.

>

> Here is a new drug in the works,

>

> Feingold Newsletter.

>

> Atomoxetine as a potential replacement for Ritalin.

> " Another ADHD drug is in the works. Atomoxetine is not classified as a

stimulant and does not involve the neurotransmitter dopamine, as does

Ritalin. Atomoxetine works by increasing the supply of the neurotransmitter,

norepinephrine, which helps to control impulsive behaviors. The

manufacturer, Eli Lilly, believes the drug will not trigger side effects

such as tic disorders that have been attributed to the use of Ritalin.

Atomoxetine is being reviewed by the FDA and is not yet available. "

>

> Happy Mothers Day,

>

> McCreary

>

September 30, 2002

But what is his medical proof? It is quite clear from many statements that

he doesn't like it but saying it is a bad drug doesn't in and of itself make

it so. But I would want more specific evidence than " it's like heroin " .

And BTW, in response to an earlier post,ritalin increases the blood flow to

the frontal lobe which has a decrease in blood flow when a person with ADD

is given a task that is boring. Hence the reason it works is that it

counteracts the natural shutdown that occurs with people with ADD allowing

them to be more focused and seemingly paradoxically more relaxed.

Terri

ritalin

> >

> > > I know Dr G & research is against ritalin, however we have

> been

> > > truggling with our son for over 2 months now with self stim and

> > > inmpulsive behaviors. He has been off ritalin since June, per Dr

> G.

> > > advice. He is cuurently on Zoloft and Valtrex. Dr G tried hin=m on

> > > welbutrin but was not a good match. Anyway, he has gome from

> being

> > > in a regular classroom with an aide who helps him with his fine

> motor

> > > skill to a 3rd grader who is in a room all by himself, within a

> room

> > > in the resource room at his school. He works with his aide, does

> not

> > > go out for recess, specials or get to partake in any of the

> regular

> > > classroom activity because of his compulsive behaviors. Many of

> the

> > > behaviors are new to us. My heart is breaking for my son.

> Ritalin

> > > helped him last year control his comulsive behaviors and self

> > > stimulating behavior. 3rd graders can be so cruel and I see my

> son

> > > going down hill socially and behaviorally. Kids are forming

> > > meomories on my son. Anyone else on DrG.' plan but still use

> ritalin?

> > > gina

> > >

> > > Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

> > > the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

> > > opinion of the Research Institute.

> > >

October 1, 2002

,

I hate to say this here, you may have to do what works best for your son

without worry about if it is or not.

My son is in third grade too, I have been worry about his writing, worry

about how teacher can more effectively work with him in his third grade (a

new teacher, and new school). I am lucky because last year he gained a lot of

progress on social interactions with help of DAN protocol, OT, ST, and Dr.

Greenspan's DT.

My son can read books at three years age (he is good at math and science

too), but did not write his first word until well after four. Although his a

good writer (if he writes on his own term), his brain race too quick for his

hand in other situations. As writing is the big thing in 3rd grade, We have

been working with his writing, very nervously. However, he is making

progress, he is writing longer sentences and taking less time to write.

I agree with concept, but I am not going to take my son off DAN to try

. Right now, he is happy, ready to learn, enjoy his 3rd grade, has " a

handful of friends who looking for him to play, and he will pay with, " and

healthy, so I am happy too. I am not sure protocol will give me better

results than that. Even if I try someday, I may do some of both at same

time.

I know a 4th grader in my son's after school club, he has adhd and very

aggressive. He started his medicine in 3rd grade (I did not remember the

name), his behavior problem disappeared, he is getting better grade, feel

much better about himself, and now he is almost off special Ed (school still

" monitor " him).

I also know a 3rd grader who has adhd, last year he started his medicine (I

know he is taking something other than rutlin). Later in the year, his mother

was told his math assessment test was at 92%. She was very surprised, because

he was never know as good at math even he was a smart kid. I also saw him

very nicely engaging in conversation at after school club. When I told his

mother what I saw, she was very very happy.

My point here is, everybody are different, someone works well with , some

kids work well with DAN, and some kids work well with medicines such as

Ritalin. Just go with the one that you think will help your son enjoy school,

enjoy his friends, and ready to learn.

Regards,

Jin

In a message dated 9/30/2002 4:18:48 PM Central Standard Time,

writes:

> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:42:28 -0500

> From: " Terri Avalon " <tavalon@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: ritalin

>

> But what is his medical proof? It is quite clear from many statements that

> he doesn't like it but saying it is a bad drug doesn't in and of itself make

> it so. But I would want more specific evidence than " it's like heroin " .

>

> And BTW, in response to an earlier post,ritalin increases the blood flow to

> the frontal lobe which has a decrease in blood flow when a person with ADD

> is given a task that is boring. Hence the reason it works is that it

> counteracts the natural shutdown that occurs with people with ADD allowing

> them to be more focused and seemingly paradoxically more relaxed.

>

> Terri

> ritalin

> > >

> > > > I know Dr G & research is against ritalin, however we have

> > been

> > > > truggling with our son for over 2 months now with self stim and

> > > > inmpulsive behaviors. He has been off ritalin since June, per Dr

> > G.

> > > > advice. He is cuurently on Zoloft and Valtrex. Dr G tried hin=m on

> > > > welbutrin but was not a good match. Anyway, he has gome from

> > being

> > > > in a regular classroom with an aide who helps him with his fine

> > motor

> > > > skill to a 3rd grader who is in a room all by himself, within a

> > room

> > > > in the resource room at his school. He works with his aide, does

> > not

> > > > go out for recess, specials or get to partake in any of the

> > regular

> > > > classroom activity because of his compulsive behaviors. Many of

> > the

> > > > behaviors are new to us. My heart is breaking for my son.

> > Ritalin

> > > > helped him last year control his comulsive behaviors and self

> > > > stimulating behavior. 3rd graders can be so cruel and I see my

> > son

> > > > going down hill socially and behaviorally. Kids are forming

> > > > meomories on my son. Anyone else on DrG.' plan but still use

> > ritalin?

> > > > gina

> > > >

> > > > Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

> > > > the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

> > > > opinion of the Research Institute.

> > > >

January 16, 2003

ritalin appears to provide either an alternative pathway or do

something else to faciltate sugar metabolism in the brian

its not 100% and looking at brain sugar metabolic issues from a

supplement view point like chromium gtf may be more sustainable

there may also be a correlation between ritalin effectiveness and

metals tranport issues...

> Our 4.5 years old son is diagnosed as PDD.

> During the last few days we started to give him Ritalin in the

> mornings. In the afternoons and evenings we see improvement with

his

> eye contact and speech.

> Does anyone have any info about it?

> Any info can help.

> Regards

July 21, 2003

We are raising a bunch of ticking time bombs. When will it end?

Connie

November 29, 2004

Exactly. Well said.

Jim

I few years ago I had a young man (13 years old) in my school field trip

group who was a handful....to say the least. I finally mentioned something

to his teacher who said, " Oh yes, he is on Ritalin and after I give him his

pill with lunch, he will be better. " After lunch, this child was no better.

Of course, his lunch, which his mother had packed (or he had packed)

consisted of a twinkie, a ding dong, and cookies....ALL SUGAR. I wondered

what he had had for breakfast and gave him 1/2 of my sandwich. Parents

should look at what their children are EATING. Hyper activity, in many

instances is caused by what a person eats or drinks for that matter. Poor

kid...the parent gave the kid ritalin on a reguar basis and I can only

assume CONTINUED to feed him sugar. STUPID.

November 29, 2004