Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 is amphetamine so will test positive...doctors statement GCMS would differentiate the two..regards,rrobin murray <remurraymd@...> wrote: methyl 2-phenyl-2-(2-piperidyl)acetate Identifiers CAS number 113-45-1 ATC code N06BA04 PubChem 4158 DrugBank APRD00657 Chemical data Formula C14H19NO2 Mol. weight 233.306 g/mol Pharmacokinetic data Bioavailability 11–52% Metabolism Liver Half life 2–4 hours Excretion Urine ritalin mostly renal some liver though probably not a factor due to short half life...regards,rlilibit007aol wrote: PS prescribed ritalin Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 ONE I DO NOT THINK AD/HD IS A FICTICIOUS DISEASE I BELIEVE IT TRULY EXISTS . I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU CAN TAKE CERTAIN FOODS AWAY AND ALL WILL BE OKAY MAYBE WITH SOMEKIDS BUT NOT ALL KIDS.MY SON LOVES A LOT OF TV SHOWS WOULD LOVE TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES BUT CANNOT SIT STILL LONG ENOUGH TO FOCUS . ALSO HOW CAN IT BE FOOD WHEN NOT ALL KIDS HAVE IT MY 2 SONS HAVE IT (ALONG WITH OTHER DISORDERS) MY OTHER 2 CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE IT .MY SON I THINK WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP AND SIT AND WATCH MOVIES AND READ HIS BOOKS AND WORK ON THE PUTER BUT HE SIMPLY CANNOT DO IT.I GET SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE THINKING JUST CUZ THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN IT MEANS IT IS NOT REAL .LOOK AT HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE FIBROMAYLGIA(SP) SOME DRS SWEATR IT EXISTS OTHERS DO NOT .BUT JUST CUZ THEY DONT BELIEVE IT DOENST MENA IT DOESNT EXISTS.TO ALSO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE PARENTS ARE JUST WANTIING TO MEDICATE THE KIDS TO GET RID OF BEHAVIORSOR CUZ SCHOOL IS BORING ....NEWS FLASH SCHOOL HAS ALWAYS BEEN BORING AND NTO SOEMTHING KIDS WANT TO GO TO I KNOW I DIDNT WANT TO AND I WASNT ADHD I ATE PRIMARILY THE SAME FOODS MY KIDS EAT (MINUS SCHOOL LUNCHES MY MOM PACKED)WHY IS ADHD BECOMMING MORE PREVALENT NOW.ENVIRONMENTAL TRIGGERS VERY WELL CAN BE MAKING IT COME ABOUT .BUT I GET TIRED OF HEARING IT DOENS T EXIST AND THE DRUG COMPANIES WANT THE MONEY SO THEY ARE PUSHING IT( HEY WHEN AIDS STARTED AND INCREASED SO FAST WAS THAT JUST CUZ THE DRUG COMPANIES WANTED MONEY.ENOUGH WITH THE CONSPIRACIES .CHRIST MY KIDS HAVE HAD PROBLEMS SINCE ONE AND A HALF .MY SON HAS HAD TO BE ON MEDS SINCE HE WAS 4 ( HE WASNT EATING JUNK THEN EITHER NOTHING I WASNT EATING AT THE SAME AGE) IF HE WASNT MEDICATED MY HOUSE I WAS LIVING IN WOULDNT BE STANDING HE TRHEW THINGS BROKE THINGS SCREAMED OTHER THINGS HE COULDNT SIT LONG ENOUGH TO EAT . IM NOT SURE IF U POSTED THIS TO SHOW US WOW THIS IS WHAST THESE IDIOT MAGS ARE PRINTING (SORRY I THINK IT HAS ENOUGH BACKING TO BE IN THE PSCYHIATRY THAT IS MENTIONED BELOW) BUT TO SAY THAT THIS DISORDER DOESNT EXIST IS BULL THAT IS LIKE SAYING NEITHER AUTISM NOR MENTAL RETARDATION EXIST I MEAN MY SONS HAVE HFA,MR,THE ONE ON TOP OF THAT HAS TOURETTES,MOOD DISORDER,AD/HD.THEY HAVE IT .AND THEY ALL ARE REAL.AND TREATABLE NOW AS TO RITILIN SAYING IT STUNTED GROWTH HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE THEY DO MED CHECKS TO MAKE SURE THE KID GROWS ( THEY LOOK MORE AT INCHES UP THEN POUNDS) UMM PROOF THAT ADHD WAS MADE UP FROM THE PHARMACUTICAL COMPANIES UM WHEN WAS IT MADE UP CUZ MY BROTHER HAD IT WHEN HE WAS A CHILD HE IS 38 NOW HE WAS ON RITILIN ALSO MY DR DID MENTION THE POSSIBLE GROWTH PROBLEM MY SON IS NOT UNDERWEIGHT NOR SHORT FOR HIS AGE OR NOT GROWING AT THE RATE HE SHOULD BE GROWING ALSO THE MEDS ARE NOT PURSUED TO MAKE MY LIFE EASY IT IS TO HELP MY SON BE ABLE TO SIT AND EAT ,TO BE ABLE TO SIT AND WORK ON PAPERS(EVEN ONES HE LOVES TO DO ) HE NEEDS MEDS TO SLEEP OR HE WONT SLEEP NOW IF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO ANTI MEDICATION OR ADHD DONT EXIST THEY ARE WELCOME TO SPEND A 2 WEEK PERIOD AT MY HOUSE (OVER NIGHT OF COURSE) WITH MY 2 SONS (AND I WILL HAVE THEM OFF MEDS ) AND THEY CAN CARE TAKE THEM HEY CAN TRY TO HELP THESE KIDS TRY TO EAT,WASH,SLEEP,PLAY,INTERACT, BUT OF COURSE THERE MORE THAN LIKJELY WILL BE NO TAKERS . WHAT EVER I DO FOR MY CHILD BY WAY OF MEDICATION IS NOT JUST FOR HIS HEALTH BUT FOR THE HEALTH AND WELL BEING OF MY OTHER CHILDREN AND MY SELF AND I TAKE GREAT OFFENCE TO BE REFERRED TO AS A PERSON WHO IS WANTING MEDS FOR MY OWN SAKE ( IMPLIED BY THE ARTICLE BELOW .THE MEDICATION DOES HELP ALSO ASK THE TEACHERS,ASK THE RELATIVES OF MY KIDS,ASK THE CHURCH MY KIDS BELING TO THEY ALL HAVE SEEN MY KIDS WITH MEDS AND WITH OUT . BASICALLY IN A NUTSHELL I TAKE OFFENCE TO THIS ARTICLE AND I FEEL IT IS NOTHING BUT A CONSPIRACY THEORY AND NOTHING BUT BULLSHIT ....... Ritalin http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.) Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods. Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Actually - it has been proven over and over again that kids who are medicated for their adhd are LESS likely to self medicate with amphetamines.Jensunrose101@... wrote: http://www.newstarget.com/021944.html New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines."Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.) Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership," in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods. Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Life may not be the party we asked for - but while we're here, let's dance! Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Dear Jen, I didn't write it! Just thought it interesting, because I did notice that the year my daughter was in a 7th grade self-contained classroom (and the only girl) that the fifteen boys, who couldn't do school work well, couldn't read well, had no trouble with Sports Illustrated or other reading material that interested them. And most of them were extremely articulate, as well. I don't think any of them were on ritalin, as it was not perhaps that popular. I haven't the faintest idea whether it stunts growth or leads to more drugs. Just have read that sometimes kids sell their ritalin. I found the article interesting, and Mike is usually pretty right on. I hope your packing and everything are going well! That angel is already sent before you, preparing your place in Ark. Is Max definitely moving there to join you? That would be wonderful, as you'll have his girlfriend too. Love, Francine _In a message dated 7/23/2007 11:35:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, diegowench@... writes: Actually - it has been proven over and over again that kids who are medicated for their adhd are LESS likely to self medicate with amphetamines.Jensunrose101aol wrote: http://www.newstarget.com/021944.html New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines."Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.) Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership," in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods. Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Life may not be the party we asked for - but while we're here, let's dance! Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 hey when u read my responce to this i want u to know i know u didnt write it i was aiming my remarks to the article and the thinking provesses of that guy who wrote it .some kids do sell their meds but in saying some may not be selling them cuz they know what it does and so forth some may sell them from many things (bullying,fitting in,or cuz the parents let the kids self medicate i myself will nto let my kids self medicate with this kind of meds (when they are of age that is my sons 13 and he isnt capable of self administering the medication)i also had noticed that kids can concentrate on things that may intersts them but i think that also goes to the severity of the adhd i asked a wrap around service how bad is my son with the adhd compared to other kids with it (that they work with ) on a scale of 1 to 10 he was a 9.some kids they may have it for focusing and some with the hyperactivity and soem with both some people dont look at that part of it nto every kid who has add is bouncing off the walls and vice versa although with hyper part u tend to have the add part (cant sit still)my son is prolly smarter than what he registers ( one has a 62 iq and the other a 64 iq they are 13 and 11) but what sets him back and the teachers and drs agree is he cant sit still long enough to tell u the answer he fidgets and moves all over the place right now with him being 11 they are trying to get him to stay on task for 10 mins some days he gets close some days he dont .he can play cars and so forth for long periods of times but while playing he is moving all over the place and doenst have to sit still and concentrate on a specific area of the car etc..... and i am sure there are some kids on it that honestly dotn have it ,or the dr is quick to medicate . a lot of parents do not want to medicate thier kids i would love to have my kids with out meds but if they were with out meds i wouldnt be able to take care of them my son already swings at me if he wasnt medicated i wonder how many of the swings would of landed.my son when not on meds cant sit still and do much of anything i wouldnt be able to trust him to even be in the same room with my 4 yr old lil girl he would be to hyper around her where she prolly would end up hurt when medicated he is able to sit down and play with her he does get wold spurts soem days even medicated the meds dont seem to work but again wiht me and the meds i take i got good days and bad days with the meds .and i know if i wasnt on meds for my depression i wouldnt be here on the puiter id be in bed or on the couch unable to move Re: Ritalin Dear Jen, I didn't write it! Just thought it interesting, because I did notice that the year my daughter was in a 7th grade self-contained classroom (and the only girl) that the fifteen boys, who couldn't do school work well, couldn't read well, had no trouble with Sports Illustrated or other reading material that interested them. And most of them were extremely articulate, as well. I don't think any of them were on ritalin, as it was not perhaps that popular. I haven't the faintest idea whether it stunts growth or leads to more drugs. Just have read that sometimes kids sell their ritalin. I found the article interesting, and Mike is usually pretty right on. I hope your packing and everything are going well! That angel is already sent before you, preparing your place in Ark. Is Max definitely moving there to join you? That would be wonderful, as you'll have his girlfriend too. Love, Francine _In a message dated 7/23/2007 11:35:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, diegowench (DOT) com writes: Actually - it has been proven over and over again that kids who are medicated for their adhd are LESS likely to self medicate with amphetamines.Jensunrose101aol (DOT) com wrote: http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.) Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods. Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Life may not be the party we asked for - but while we're here, let's dance! Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 U R full of CRAP! You have no idea what you are talking about and u really need to meet someone face to face like me who has a child who benefitted tremendously from Ritilin. People like u and Tom Cruise and all the other @#!$%!!s who preach about ritilin are pathetic bacause your BS hurts real people. I won't even waste my time getting specific about how the drug helped my son because u don't care. Just hear this. Don't be so quick to spread your nonsense in public because people like me take your misinformatin highly personal. Enough said. Daly > > _http://www.newstarget.com/021944.html_ > (http://www.newstarget.com/021944.html) > > New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the > American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the > amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention > Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years > on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds > lighter than their peers, researchers have documented. > > The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the > growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over > the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of > Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet > nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries " no long-term growth risk " to > children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial > conflicts of interest with drug companies.) > > Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning > parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing > instead of how their children need " treatment " to correct a " brain chemistry > disorder " that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric > industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. > > Turning schoolchildren into street junkies > Ritalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called " speed. " Selling > speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription > is called " treatment. " The practice of dosing children with powerful, > mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated > today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all > too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes > symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, > pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of > powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children. > > _Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, " Adderall vs. > Methamphetamines. " _ (http://www.newstarget.com/021943.html) > > Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely > reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed > foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so- called " disease " > of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary > imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply > handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child > will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally > demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and > without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit > Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible. > > The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply > boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit > still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through > meaningless memorization exercises dubbed " history " or " science " or whatever the topic > may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy > has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. > > Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage? > This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not > answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body > weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot > be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts > physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous > system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it > produces physically stunted children. > > In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that > caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed > with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to > return children to " normal " growth. > > This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, > which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric " disorders " > at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become > available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real > disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric > disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease > according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD > is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, _Disease > Mongers, Inc._ (http://www.newstarget.com/021665.html) , to see a humorous > depiction of this process.) > > Treating children like guinea pigs > Nobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, > the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to > see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or > longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive > organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the > " Ritalin generation " won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but > the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. > Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a " let's > give these drugs to children and see what happens " experiment. It's all quite > typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as > revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be > questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with > harmful prescription medications. > > These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of > children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a > genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk > children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with > stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, > in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real > medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug > so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to > engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass- treatment > of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human > beings for profit. > > The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents > who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough > Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle > mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming > children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast > (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body > and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children > who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.) > > For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other > hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite > useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start > giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give > to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but > believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, > psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease > " treated " by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug > company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.) > > It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, > doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems > to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with > Ritalin amphetamines. The " Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America > drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while > curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, " Ritalin is > a valuable medicine. " Are they on crack? > > _Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia._ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamines) > > Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, > it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a > disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. > > The chemical abuse of children > In my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime > against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than > pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should > instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi- style chemical > assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical > poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the > safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these > people would be stripped of their right to practice " medicine, " and denied > access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against > practitioners of modern psychiatry! > > I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its > disastrous " treatment " of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we > continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire > generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be > devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, > balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting > and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and > processed foods. > > Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine > > > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all- new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Yes it does have negative effects such as growth issues and toxicity to the liver. Yes there is or was a huge demand for ritalin in the drug abusing cultures. I know this from personal experience having been placed on ritalin at age 16 and taken off at age 21. And because 3 of my children have been on it one time or another. This is not a drug that should be, but is overprescribed to too many individuals, especially children. My children are no longer on ritalin and we use Quantum Biofeedback to balance the brain rather than drugs. Kernan Quantum Biofeedback Therapist www.quantumassociatesofutah.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 I probably reacted rather than thinking - It may be that some kids sell their ritalin - however most of these kids are doing drugs to begin with.... I battled a drug problem for years which I directly attribute to NOT being medicated - so this is a subject close to my heart. We actually took Sara off her meds for the summer to see how she did. She has grown like a foot! I agree that it can stunt growth, but the studies long term indicate that it is less than 2 inches, and eventually kids catch up. We are leaving next week, getting butterflies and wandering around a house that looks like maybe the Hindenberg crash occurred here lol.Max and Jackie are coming with and it has been such a relief! Jarrod is going to do a 10 week on stretch to give us enough money to catch up on all of our bills - which is a Godsend!I hope everyone else is doing really really well. My thoughts go out to all of you. Molly's therapist reported me to CPS AGAIN - Molly got really aggressive with me and I slapped her. Basically I told her I was going to and I don't believe in empty threats - they closed the investigation but it made me SO MAD!~ Since I know all of you are dealing with the same type of stuff - aggravations and so forth that is...Jenvickie <blackfoot124@...> wrote: hey when u read my responce to this i want u to know i know u didnt write it i was aiming my remarks to the article and the thinking provesses of that guy who wrote it .some kids do sell their meds but in saying some may not be selling them cuz they know what it does and so forth some may sell them from many things (bullying,fitting in,or cuz the parents let the kids self medicate i myself will nto let my kids self medicate with this kind of meds (when they are of age that is my sons 13 and he isnt capable of self administering the medication)i also had noticed that kids can concentrate on things that may intersts them but i think that also goes to the severity of the adhd i asked a wrap around service how bad is my son with the adhd compared to other kids with it (that they work with ) on a scale of 1 to 10 he was a 9.some kids they may have it for focusing and some with the hyperactivity and soem with both some people dont look at that part of it nto every kid who has add is bouncing off the walls and vice versa although with hyper part u tend to have the add part (cant sit still)my son is prolly smarter than what he registers ( one has a 62 iq and the other a 64 iq they are 13 and 11) but what sets him back and the teachers and drs agree is he cant sit still long enough to tell u the answer he fidgets and moves all over the place right now with him being 11 they are trying to get him to stay on task for 10 mins some days he gets close some days he dont .he can play cars and so forth for long periods of times but while playing he is moving all over the place and doenst have to sit still and concentrate on a specific area of the car etc..... and i am sure there are some kids on it that honestly dotn have it ,or the dr is quick to medicate . a lot of parents do not want to medicate thier kids i would love to have my kids with out meds but if they were with out meds i wouldnt be able to take care of them my son already swings at me if he wasnt medicated i wonder how many of the swings would of landed.my son when not on meds cant sit still and do much of anything i wouldnt be able to trust him to even be in the same room with my 4 yr old lil girl he would be to hyper around her where she prolly would end up hurt when medicated he is able to sit down and play with her he does get wold spurts soem days even medicated the meds dont seem to work but again wiht me and the meds i take i got good days and bad days with the meds .and i know if i wasnt on meds for my depression i wouldnt be here on the puiter id be in bed or on the couch unable to move Re: Ritalin Dear Jen, I didn't write it! Just thought it interesting, because I did notice that the year my daughter was in a 7th grade self-contained classroom (and the only girl) that the fifteen boys, who couldn't do school work well, couldn't read well, had no trouble with Sports Illustrated or other reading material that interested them. And most of them were extremely articulate, as well. I don't think any of them were on ritalin, as it was not perhaps that popular. I haven't the faintest idea whether it stunts growth or leads to more drugs. Just have read that sometimes kids sell their ritalin. I found the article interesting, and Mike is usually pretty right on. I hope your packing and everything are going well! That angel is already sent before you, preparing your place in Ark. Is Max definitely moving there to join you? That would be wonderful, as you'll have his girlfriend too. Love, Francine _In a message dated 7/23/2007 11:35:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, diegowench (DOT) com writes: Actually - it has been proven over and over again that kids who are medicated for their adhd are LESS likely to self medicate with amphetamines.Jensunrose101aol (DOT) com wrote: http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.) Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods. Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Life may not be the party we asked for - but while we're here, let's dance! Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. 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Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Do you realise capitals is yelling? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am new to this group and I find everyone's posts very interesting to hear everyone's opinions and what they are finding works best for their children. I have a son who is nearly 9 and has just been diagnosed with Aspergers and I am interested if there are any Aussie parents on this group? And what have you found the best resources to do with Aspergers. Thanks. vickie wrote: ONE I DO NOT THINK AD/HD IS A FICTICIOUS DISEASE I BELIEVE IT TRULY EXISTS . I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU CAN TAKE CERTAIN FOODS AWAY AND ALL WILL BE OKAY MAYBE WITH SOMEKIDS BUT NOT ALL KIDS.MY SON LOVES A LOT OF TV SHOWS WOULD LOVE TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES BUT CANNOT SIT STILL LONG ENOUGH TO FOCUS . ALSO HOW CAN IT BE FOOD WHEN NOT ALL KIDS HAVE IT MY 2 SONS HAVE IT (ALONG WITH OTHER DISORDERS) MY OTHER 2 CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE IT .MY SON I THINK WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP AND SIT AND WATCH MOVIES AND READ HIS BOOKS AND WORK ON THE PUTER BUT HE SIMPLY CANNOT DO IT.I GET SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE THINKING JUST CUZ THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN IT MEANS IT IS NOT REAL .LOOK AT HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE FIBROMAYLGIA(SP) SOME DRS SWEATR IT EXISTS OTHERS DO NOT ..BUT JUST CUZ THEY DONT BELIEVE IT DOENST MENA IT DOESNT EXISTS.TO ALSO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE PARENTS ARE JUST WANTIING TO MEDICATE THE KIDS TO GET RID OF BEHAVIORSOR CUZ SCHOOL IS BORING ....NEWS FLASH SCHOOL HAS ALWAYS BEEN BORING AND NTO SOEMTHING KIDS WANT TO GO TO I KNOW I DIDNT WANT TO AND I WASNT ADHD I ATE PRIMARILY THE SAME FOODS MY KIDS EAT (MINUS SCHOOL LUNCHES MY MOM PACKED)WHY IS ADHD BECOMMING MORE PREVALENT NOW.ENVIRONMENTAL TRIGGERS VERY WELL CAN BE MAKING IT COME ABOUT .BUT I GET TIRED OF HEARING IT DOENS T EXIST AND THE DRUG COMPANIES WANT THE MONEY SO THEY ARE PUSHING IT( HEY WHEN AIDS STARTED AND INCREASED SO FAST WAS THAT JUST CUZ THE DRUG COMPANIES WANTED MONEY.ENOUGH WITH THE CONSPIRACIES .CHRIST MY KIDS HAVE HAD PROBLEMS SINCE ONE AND A HALF .MY SON HAS HAD TO BE ON MEDS SINCE HE WAS 4 ( HE WASNT EATING JUNK THEN EITHER NOTHING I WASNT EATING AT THE SAME AGE) IF HE WASNT MEDICATED MY HOUSE I WAS LIVING IN WOULDNT BE STANDING HE TRHEW THINGS BROKE THINGS SCREAMED OTHER THINGS HE COULDNT SIT LONG ENOUGH TO EAT . IM NOT SURE IF U POSTED THIS TO SHOW US WOW THIS IS WHAST THESE IDIOT MAGS ARE PRINTING (SORRY I THINK IT HAS ENOUGH BACKING TO BE IN THE PSCYHIATRY THAT IS MENTIONED BELOW) BUT TO SAY THAT THIS DISORDER DOESNT EXIST IS BULL THAT IS LIKE SAYING NEITHER AUTISM NOR MENTAL RETARDATION EXIST I MEAN MY SONS HAVE HFA,MR,THE ONE ON TOP OF THAT HAS TOURETTES,MOOD DISORDER,AD/HD.THEY HAVE IT .AND THEY ALL ARE REAL.AND TREATABLE NOW AS TO RITILIN SAYING IT STUNTED GROWTH HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE THEY DO MED CHECKS TO MAKE SURE THE KID GROWS ( THEY LOOK MORE AT INCHES UP THEN POUNDS) UMM PROOF THAT ADHD WAS MADE UP FROM THE PHARMACUTICAL COMPANIES UM WHEN WAS IT MADE UP CUZ MY BROTHER HAD IT WHEN HE WAS A CHILD HE IS 38 NOW HE WAS ON RITILIN ALSO MY DR DID MENTION THE POSSIBLE GROWTH PROBLEM MY SON IS NOT UNDERWEIGHT NOR SHORT FOR HIS AGE OR NOT GROWING AT THE RATE HE SHOULD BE GROWING ALSO THE MEDS ARE NOT PURSUED TO MAKE MY LIFE EASY IT IS TO HELP MY SON BE ABLE TO SIT AND EAT ,TO BE ABLE TO SIT AND WORK ON PAPERS(EVEN ONES HE LOVES TO DO ) HE NEEDS MEDS TO SLEEP OR HE WONT SLEEP NOW IF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO ANTI MEDICATION OR ADHD DONT EXIST THEY ARE WELCOME TO SPEND A 2 WEEK PERIOD AT MY HOUSE (OVER NIGHT OF COURSE) WITH MY 2 SONS (AND I WILL HAVE THEM OFF MEDS ) AND THEY CAN CARE TAKE THEM HEY CAN TRY TO HELP THESE KIDS TRY TO EAT,WASH,SLEEP,PLAY,INTERACT, BUT OF COURSE THERE MORE THAN LIKJELY WILL BE NO TAKERS . WHAT EVER I DO FOR MY CHILD BY WAY OF MEDICATION IS NOT JUST FOR HIS HEALTH BUT FOR THE HEALTH AND WELL BEING OF MY OTHER CHILDREN AND MY SELF AND I TAKE GREAT OFFENCE TO BE REFERRED TO AS A PERSON WHO IS WANTING MEDS FOR MY OWN SAKE ( IMPLIED BY THE ARTICLE BELOW .THE MEDICATION DOES HELP ALSO ASK THE TEACHERS,ASK THE RELATIVES OF MY KIDS,ASK THE CHURCH MY KIDS BELING TO THEY ALL HAVE SEEN MY KIDS WITH MEDS AND WITH OUT . BASICALLY IN A NUTSHELL I TAKE OFFENCE TO THIS ARTICLE AND I FEEL IT IS NOTHING BUT A CONSPIRACY THEORY AND NOTHING BUT BULLSHIT ....... ----- Original Message ---- From: "sunrose101aol" <sunrose101aol> Autism and Aspergers Treatment Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 6:37:59 PM Subject: Ritalin http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented. The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.) Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. Turning schoolchildren into street junkies Ritalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children. Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. " Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible. The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage? This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children. In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth. This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.) Treating children like guinea pigs Nobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications. These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit. The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.) For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.) It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack? Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia. Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. The chemical abuse of children In my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry! I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods. Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 UMM I USE CAPITALS CUZ IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR ME TO READ IT IM SORRY U TAKE IT AS YELLING LOL NEVER THOUGHT PEOPLE WOULD TAKE CAPS AS YELLING CUZ I LIKE USING THEM JUST SEEMS BETTER TO READ.... AND I WASNT SAYING ANYTHING AGAINST HER OPINIONS I WAS DISAGREEING WITH THE GUYS ARTICLE HIS ARTICLE NOT HER OPINION! I WAS TAKING THINGS HE WROTE ABOUT AND COUNTERED WITH THINGS I HAVE SEEN WITH KIDS (NOT JUST MY OWN).YES CHANGING DIETS WITH SOME MAY WORK BUT NOT WITH ALL.I WAS MAINLY AIMING THE RESPONCE ON THE GUYS OPNION THAT IT IS A FICTICIOUS DISEASE . WOULD YOU VIEW A DR /OR SOME ARTICLE A PERSON WROTE FOR A PAPER SAYING ASPERGERS IS A FICTICOUS DISEASE ,I BET YOU WOULD DISAGREE AND POST IN REPSONCE TO THE ARTICLE THAT YOU DISAGREE.I READ EVERYONES OPINIONS AND IF I DISAGREE ,I DO TRY TO PUT IT IN A NICE WAY BUT I WASNT DISAGREEING WITH HER POST I WAS DISAGREEING WITH THE GUYS ARTICLE .AND IF HEARING EVERYONES OPINION IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO ,I AGREE ,READ EVERYONES OPINIONS YOU LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERYDAY.BUT IF I DO DISAGREE I WILL SAY I DO IT IS AN OPEN COMMUNICATION I AM NOT INSULTING ANYONES OPINION (WHEN SHE POSTED THE THING SHE DIDNT SAY WHETHER SHE AGREED OR NOT SHE JUST POSTED THE ARTICLE . LIKE I SAID I LOOKED IT OVER AND GAVE MY OPINION ON IT. WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOUR CHILD IS GOOD THAT IS THE WAY YOU SHOULD DO THINGS. VICKIE Ritalin http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.) Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods. Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 >It may be that some kids sell their ritalin - however >most of these kids are doing drugs to begin with.... Sorry but I would have to dissagree! Most are medicated! Not, NOT medicated. Having been on the drugs end after being put on ritalin. It made me less timid and I felt more in control. Alot like addicts will feel using cocaine or speed. My mother-in-law is a juvenile probation officer and she tells us all the time about kids getting their drugs. And If you look hard enough you will find a report that counters what you've been saying. Maybe not all kids sell their meds....but a large enough percentage eventually do. Back in the 80's they sold for $8 a pill around here! I have no clue what they sell for now. I started into drugs because I liked being skinny after being overwieght for most of my puberty. When kids came along, and I gained weight, and I couldn't get ritalin...I turned to something else. That was 25 years ago. Kernan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Dear Jen, Here is a really funny story that one of our dear aides told me. She's from Guyana. One of their kids had some marks on their arm or something like that. The school called her in and told her she had to see someone to be educated in how to raise her kids. So she goes to see this therapist of some kind of another that the school provided, and she woman says to her: Beat them on the butt. It's not visible. Just don't hit them anywhere visible. Oh gosh, we were laughing so hard! Now I'm not into beating kids; far from it. And I also know what extreme provocation is and that you can't let them get away with it. So I'm on your side slapping Molly. All I'd say is don't make any more threats until you're on the road! Love, Francine In a message dated 7/30/2007 12:10:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, diegowench@... writes: I probably reacted rather than thinking - It may be that some kids sell their ritalin - however most of these kids are doing drugs to begin with.... I battled a drug problem for years which I directly attribute to NOT being medicated - so this is a subject close to my heart. We actually took Sara off her meds for the summer to see how she did. She has grown like a foot! I agree that it can stunt growth, but the studies long term indicate that it is less than 2 inches, and eventually kids catch up. We are leaving next week, getting butterflies and wandering around a house that looks like maybe the Hindenberg crash occurred here lol.Max and Jackie are coming with and it has been such a relief! Jarrod is going to do a 10 week on stretch to give us enough money to catch up on all of our bills - which is a Godsend!I hope everyone else is doing really really well. My thoughts go out to all of you. Molly's therapist reported me to CPS AGAIN - Molly got really aggressive with me and I slapped her. Basically I told her I was going to and I don't believe in empty threats - they closed the investigation but it made me SO MAD!~ Since I know all of you are dealing with the same type of stuff - aggravations and so forth that is...Jenvickie <blackfoot124 > wrote: hey when u read my responce to this i want u to know i know u didnt write it i was aiming my remarks to the article and the thinking provesses of that guy who wrote it .some kids do sell their meds but in saying some may not be selling them cuz they know what it does and so forth some may sell them from many things (bullying,fitting in,or cuz the parents let the kids self medicate i myself will nto let my kids self medicate with this kind of meds (when they are of age that is my sons 13 and he isnt capable of self administering the medication)i also had noticed that kids can concentrate on things that may intersts them but i think that also goes to the severity of the adhd i asked a wrap around service how bad is my son with the adhd compared to other kids with it (that they work with ) on a scale of 1 to 10 he was a 9.some kids they may have it for focusing and some with the hyperactivity and soem with both some people dont look at that part of it nto every kid who has add is bouncing off the walls and vice versa although with hyper part u tend to have the add part (cant sit still)my son is prolly smarter than what he registers ( one has a 62 iq and the other a 64 iq they are 13 and 11) but what sets him back and the teachers and drs agree is he cant sit still long enough to tell u the answer he fidgets and moves all over the place right now with him being 11 they are trying to get him to stay on task for 10 mins some days he gets close some days he dont .he can play cars and so forth for long periods of times but while playing he is moving all over the place and doenst have to sit still and concentrate on a specific area of the car etc..... and i am sure there are some kids on it that honestly dotn have it ,or the dr is quick to medicate . a lot of parents do not want to medicate thier kids i would love to have my kids with out meds but if they were with out meds i wouldnt be able to take care of them my son already swings at me if he wasnt medicated i wonder how many of the swings would of landed.my son when not on meds cant sit still and do much of anything i wouldnt be able to trust him to even be in the same room with my 4 yr old lil girl he would be to hyper around her where she prolly would end up hurt when medicated he is able to sit down and play with her he does get wold spurts soem days even medicated the meds dont seem to work but again wiht me and the meds i take i got good days and bad days with the meds .and i know if i wasnt on meds for my depression i wouldnt be here on the puiter id be in bed or on the couch unable to move Re: Ritalin Dear Jen, I didn't write it! Just thought it interesting, because I did notice that the year my daughter was in a 7th grade self-contained classroom (and the only girl) that the fifteen boys, who couldn't do school work well, couldn't read well, had no trouble with Sports Illustrated or other reading material that interested them. And most of them were extremely articulate, as well. I don't think any of them were on ritalin, as it was not perhaps that popular. I haven't the faintest idea whether it stunts growth or leads to more drugs. Just have read that sometimes kids sell their ritalin. I found the article interesting, and Mike is usually pretty right on. I hope your packing and everything are going well! That angel is already sent before you, preparing your place in Ark. Is Max definitely moving there to join you? That would be wonderful, as you'll have his girlfriend too. Love, Francine _In a message dated 7/23/2007 11:35:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, diegowench (DOT) com writes: Actually - it has been proven over and over again that kids who are medicated for their adhd are LESS likely to self medicate with amphetamines.Jensunrose101aol (DOT) com wrote: http://www.newstarg et.com/021! 944. htm l New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.) Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods. Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Life may not be the party we asked for - but while we're here, let's dance! Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. 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Guest guest Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Vickie, I don't think they meant to change the font, just hit the "caps lock" button to get rid of the caps. It's just very stressful to read all caps for most people (including me Elissa Re: Ritalin Dear Jen, I didn't write it! Just thought it interesting, because I did notice that the year my daughter was in a 7th grade self-contained classroom (and the only girl) that the fifteen boys, who couldn't do school work well, couldn't read well, had no trouble with Sports Illustrated or other reading material that interested them. And most of them were extremely articulate, as well. I don't think any of them were on ritalin, as it was not perhaps that popular. I haven't the faintest idea whether it stunts growth or leads to more drugs. Just have read that sometimes kids sell their ritalin. I found the article interesting, and Mike is usually pretty right on. I hope your packing and everything are going well! That angel is already sent before you, preparing your place in Ark. Is Max definitely moving there to join you? That would be wonderful, as you'll have his girlfriend too. Love, Francine _In a message dated 7/23/2007 11:35:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, diegowench (DOT) com writes: Actually - it has been proven over and over again that kids who are medicated for their adhd are LESS likely to self medicate with amphetamines.Jensunrose101aol (DOT) com wrote: http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.) Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods. Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Life may not be the party we asked for - but while we're here, let's dance! Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. 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Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Thanks for more paragraphs. Much easier to read the short paragraphs. The more, the better, since we do want to read what you have to say. In a message dated 8/1/2007 2:13:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, blackfoot124@... writes: A FEW THINGS I WANTED TO PUT THIS OUT THERE SORRY IF ANY OF YINZ TOOK OFFENCE TO MY TYEPING CAPITALS I JUST FIND IT EASIER FOR ME TO READ .I COULD GO IN AND I GUESS CHANGE MY FOTNS AND SO FORTH BUT I USUALLY FORGET HALF THE TIME WHAT I GOT ON THE PUTER TO DO LET ALONE REMEMBER TO CHANGE THE SIZE OF THE FONT .. AS TO THE RITALIN I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THINGS SO PEOPLE KNOW I DIDNT JUST DIVE INTO RITALIN AND THINK HEY IT IS THE ONLY WAY I WENT I HAVE NOT ALWAYS USED RITALIN I HAVE TRIED DEXEDRINE (WHICH WORKED REALLY GOOD WITH MICHAEL EXCEPT HE WASNT GAINING ANYTHING AND WOULD NOT EAT AT ALL AND IF HE WOULD EAT IT WAS VERY FEW BITES AND THAT IS IT. WE WENT TO RITALIN THE REGULAR RITALIN(NOT CONCERTA EXT RELAESE RITALIN ) IT WORKED BUT WE KEPT HAVING TO INCREASE AND WE COULNT GET HIM TO TAKE THE PILLS AT SCHOOL. WHEN HE WAS ABLE TO TAKE THE EXT STUFF STRATTERA WAS NOW OUT SO WE SWITCHED TO THAT WHICH WORKED OKAY I MEAN IT HELPED HIM FOCUS SOME AND HE WAS MORE INTERACTIVE BUT STILL WAY HYPER WE EVENTUALLY HAD TO STOP THAT . WE THEN WENT BACK TO THE DEXDRINE BUT NOW AT THIS TIME IT DIDNT WORK UNLESS IN A COMBO OF MEDS . AND STILL IT WENT THROUGH THE STOPPED WORKING NEED TO INCREASE. WE THEN WENT TO CONCERTA .HE TAKES THE SAME AS HIS BROTHER WHO WENT THROUGH MED STAGES JUST LIKE HE DID HE STARTED OUT WITH DEXDRINE WHICH DID NOTHING ,STATTERA NOTHING MAJOR IN CHANGES,ADDERALL HE DEVELOPED TICS,WE TREID THINGS CUZ OF ANXIETY ALSO LIKE PROZAC BUT HE STARTED CUTTING HIS CLOTHES AND PAPER I WANTED HIM OFF IT BUT IT TOOK THE FACT HE TRIED TO CUT HIS FACE WITH SCISSORS THAT GOT IT CHANGED ( THIS WAS ONLY AFTER LIKE A MONTH OF BEING ON IT. HE THEN STARTED RITALIN AGAIN IN THE CONCERTA VERSION. IT HAS HELPED ALOT WITH THE CONCENTRATION HE ISNT REALLY HYPER HYPER JUST MORE FIDGETY .WHERE AS MICHAEL ON HIS DOSE OF 54 MG HE IS STILL HYPER AND AT TIMES VERY UNCONTROLLABLE . FOR MOOD DISORDERS HE TAKES RISPERDAL IT HLEPS ALSO BUT I TILL HAVNT FOUND A COMBINATION THAT WORKS .WHAT HAPPENS IS THEIER IS NO CURE FOR THE DISORDERS JUST A TREATMENT FOR THE SYMPTOMS . EACH MED DONT TREAT EVERY SYMPTOM WHERE U THEN HAVE TO TAKE A COCKTAIL TO GE THE DISORDER IN CHECK LONG ENOUGH FOR MY KIDS (AND OTHERS ) TO LEARN.IF MY SON DIDNT TAKE MEDICIINE HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO LEARN ANYTHING CUZ HE WOULDNT BE ABLE TO SIT STILL LONG ENOUGH. I MEAN WE RIGHT NOW CANT REALLY KEEP HIM ON TASK FOR MORE THAN 5 TO 10 MINS .HE IS ALL OVER THE PLAVE IN SCHOOL HE HAS A FIDGET CUSHION ON HIS CHAIR (IT IS A BUMPY CUSHION HE SITS ON ) THE TEACHERS SAY IT HELPS A LOT BUT NOT LIKE PERFECT . WHICH WE AINT LOOKING FOR PERFECT CUZ THERE IS NO SUCH THING..WE TRY AND WE TRY .RIGHT NOW MY SON MICHAEL TAKES 54 MG OF CONCERTA,1MG RISPERDAL,AND .1MG CLONIDINE EVERY AM ,AT 3PM HE TAKES .1 MG OF CLONIDINE ,THEN AT 6 HE TAKES .1 CLONIDINE,1MG RISPERDAL AND 20 MG OF SIMVASTATIN (HIGH CHOLESTROL) CLOSER TO SCHOOL HE WILL BE PUT ON LIKE A ZOLOFT OR LEXAPRO FOR ANXIETY .I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MY KID NOT ON ANY MEDS BUT I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO CONTROL HIM WHEN HE IS OFF IT .I NEED TO HELP HIM BE HEALTHY BUT I ALSO GOT TO PROTECT MY OTHER KIDS ALSO. HE CAN GET PRETTY AGGRESSIVE EVEN WITH MEDS . IM NOT FAMILIAR WITH ALTERNATIVE MEDS BUT I KNOW I CANNOT DO A CHANGE OF DIET COMPLETLEY CUZ IT AINT LIEK HE EATS A LOT OF ANYTHING .I WANTED TO LOOK INTO THE OMEGA 3 FATTY STUFF LOL BUT IS EXPENSIVE. I AM ALSO TALKIGN TO THE DR ABOUT PUTTING HIM IN A HOSPITAL (NOT SURE HOW LONG ) BUT GET HIM OFF THE MEDS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND BASCIALLLY START AT THE BEGINNING. HAVE ANY OF YOU WATCHED THE MIRICLE WORKER ABOUT HELEN KELLAR DO YOU REMEMBER THE FITS SHE HAD WHEN THEY NEEDED HER TO TRY THINGS AND THEY PRACTICLY HAD TO SIT ON HER AND PIN HER DOWN TO CALM HER THE KICKING AND SCREAMING THE WILD ANIMAL SHE WOULD BE COME .THIS IS MY SON. HE CAN BE LIKE THAT WHEN ASKED TO DO SOEMTHING BE TOLD NO OR JUST BE LOOKED AT AND TALKED TO ( LIKE HI HOW ARE YOU?)ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS WHEN THE MOVIE NELL I THINK THE NAME OF IT WAS WHEN I THINK IT WAS JODIE FOSTER PLAYED A GIRL RAISED ON HER OWN IN THE WOODS TRYING TO TEACH HER WAS NOT EASY.AND I KNOW THESE WERE TREATED WITH OUT MEDS BUT THEY WERE UNDER DIFFERENT CICUMSTANCES I AM JUST REFERRING TO THE FITS THEY HAD. Re: Ritalin Dear Jen, I didn't write it! Just thought it interesting, because I did notice that the year my daughter was in a 7th grade self-contained classroom (and the only girl) that the fifteen boys, who couldn't do school work well, couldn't read well, had no trouble with Sports Illustrated or other reading material that interested them. And most of them were extremely articulate, as well. I don't think any of them were on ritalin, as it was not perhaps that popular. I haven't the faintest idea whether it stunts growth or leads to more drugs. Just have read that sometimes kids sell their ritalin. I found the article interesting, and Mike is usually pretty right on. I hope your packing and everything are going well! That angel is already sent before you, preparing your place in Ark. Is Max definitely moving there to join you? That would be wonderful, as you'll have his girlfriend too. Love, Francine _In a message dated 7/23/2007 11:35:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, diegowench (DOT) com writes: Actually - it has been proven over and over again that kids who are medicated for their adhd are LESS likely to self medicate with amphetamines.Jensunrose101aol (DOT) com wrote: http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.) Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods. Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Life may not be the party we asked for - but while we're here, let's dance! Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. 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Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Lol sorry when I get on my biggest thing is trying to get out what I want to write .Whether in writing it or speaking it I do have a tendancy to ramble making for the long paragraphs.. With me I have found my concentration waning fast ,and along with it my memory .I am going to see a dr about it ( well if I remember to make the appt LOL ) the psyche dr tells me it is symptoms with the depression I suffer.But I am not quite sure any more. I wake and I feel even more tired than when I went to bed ,I have no energy most days and when I do get it I tire out easy .Hell I even eat and I can get wore out.I am also forgeting things ( I missed 3 appts in the space of 2 weeks). I do not think it is ad/hd for the concentration although sometimes with this I wonder how these kids deal with it cuz I am going nuts.It is very frustrating when you go to do things and you cant remember what you were doing.That is why I tend to just write it and be done ( got to get it out before I forget what i want to say LOL)it sucks .Oh incase you are wondering my therapist did suggest stress can produce this behavior(me have stress NAH not me LOL)and she also suggested Fibromyalgia not sure if this is how it is spelled or what all it does so I will look into it. Vickie Re: Ritalin Dear Jen, I didn't write it! Just thought it interesting, because I did notice that the year my daughter was in a 7th grade self-contained classroom (and the only girl) that the fifteen boys, who couldn't do school work well, couldn't read well, had no trouble with Sports Illustrated or other reading material that interested them. And most of them were extremely articulate, as well. I don't think any of them were on ritalin, as it was not perhaps that popular. I haven't the faintest idea whether it stunts growth or leads to more drugs. Just have read that sometimes kids sell their ritalin. I found the article interesting, and Mike is usually pretty right on. I hope your packing and everything are going well! That angel is already sent before you, preparing your place in Ark. Is Max definitely moving there to join you? That would be wonderful, as you'll have his girlfriend too. Love, Francine _In a message dated 7/23/2007 11:35:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, diegowench (DOT) com writes: Actually - it has been proven over and over again that kids who are medicated for their adhd are LESS likely to self medicate with amphetamines.Jensunrose101aol (DOT) com wrote: http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.) Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods. Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Life may not be the party we asked for - but while we're here, let's dance! Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Thanks Ally .. it's nice to know that I'm not alone. Are you from Australia? My son has lots of friends but isn't easily accepted and he quite often gets bullied but doesn't realise that's what other kids are doing and it really upsets me. Bek xx Ally Fortney wrote: Hi , I also have a 9 year old son with aspergers. His struggle has always been socializing with children his own age. He has no friends and likes to play in his room alot. I try to keep him active at the local YMCA with Basketball and swimming. When school starts I hope the Behavior specialist will work on role playing appropiate communication with other kids, Also he is on medication becuse is is very hyperactive. I also give him positive reinforcement so he doesn't get low self esteem. Bek & Craig <strikwerdaoptusnet.au> wrote: Do you realise capitals is yelling? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am new to this group and I find everyone's posts very interesting to hear everyone's opinions and what they are finding works best for their children. I have a son who is nearly 9 and has just been diagnosed with Aspergers and I am interested if there are any Aussie parents on this group? And what have you found the best resources to do with Aspergers. Thanks. vickie wrote: ONE I DO NOT THINK AD/HD IS A FICTICIOUS DISEASE I BELIEVE IT TRULY EXISTS . I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU CAN TAKE CERTAIN FOODS AWAY AND ALL WILL BE OKAY MAYBE WITH SOMEKIDS BUT NOT ALL KIDS.MY SON LOVES A LOT OF TV SHOWS WOULD LOVE TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES BUT CANNOT SIT STILL LONG ENOUGH TO FOCUS . ALSO HOW CAN IT BE FOOD WHEN NOT ALL KIDS HAVE IT MY 2 SONS HAVE IT (ALONG WITH OTHER DISORDERS) MY OTHER 2 CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE IT .MY SON I THINK WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP AND SIT AND WATCH MOVIES AND READ HIS BOOKS AND WORK ON THE PUTER BUT HE SIMPLY CANNOT DO IT.I GET SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE THINKING JUST CUZ THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN IT MEANS IT IS NOT REAL .LOOK AT HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE FIBROMAYLGIA(SP) SOME DRS SWEATR IT EXISTS OTHERS DO NOT ..BUT JUST CUZ THEY DONT BELIEVE IT DOENST MENA IT DOESNT EXISTS.TO ALSO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE PARENTS ARE JUST WANTIING TO MEDICATE THE KIDS TO GET RID OF BEHAVIORSOR CUZ SCHOOL IS BORING ....NEWS FLASH SCHOOL HAS ALWAYS BEEN BORING AND NTO SOEMTHING KIDS WANT TO GO TO I KNOW I DIDNT WANT TO AND I WASNT ADHD I ATE PRIMARILY THE SAME FOODS MY KIDS EAT (MINUS SCHOOL LUNCHES MY MOM PACKED)WHY IS ADHD BECOMMING MORE PREVALENT NOW.ENVIRONMENTAL TRIGGERS VERY WELL CAN BE MAKING IT COME ABOUT .BUT I GET TIRED OF HEARING IT DOENS T EXIST AND THE DRUG COMPANIES WANT THE MONEY SO THEY ARE PUSHING IT( HEY WHEN AIDS STARTED AND INCREASED SO FAST WAS THAT JUST CUZ THE DRUG COMPANIES WANTED MONEY.ENOUGH WITH THE CONSPIRACIES .CHRIST MY KIDS HAVE HAD PROBLEMS SINCE ONE AND A HALF .MY SON HAS HAD TO BE ON MEDS SINCE HE WAS 4 ( HE WASNT EATING JUNK THEN EITHER NOTHING I WASNT EATING AT THE SAME AGE) IF HE WASNT MEDICATED MY HOUSE I WAS LIVING IN WOULDNT BE STANDING HE TRHEW THINGS BROKE THINGS SCREAMED OTHER THINGS HE COULDNT SIT LONG ENOUGH TO EAT . IM NOT SURE IF U POSTED THIS TO SHOW US WOW THIS IS WHAST THESE IDIOT MAGS ARE PRINTING (SORRY I THINK IT HAS ENOUGH BACKING TO BE IN THE PSCYHIATRY THAT IS MENTIONED BELOW) BUT TO SAY THAT THIS DISORDER DOESNT EXIST IS BULL THAT IS LIKE SAYING NEITHER AUTISM NOR MENTAL RETARDATION EXIST I MEAN MY SONS HAVE HFA,MR,THE ONE ON TOP OF THAT HAS TOURETTES,MOOD DISORDER,AD/HD.THEY HAVE IT .AND THEY ALL ARE REAL.AND TREATABLE NOW AS TO RITILIN SAYING IT STUNTED GROWTH HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE THEY DO MED CHECKS TO MAKE SURE THE KID GROWS ( THEY LOOK MORE AT INCHES UP THEN POUNDS) UMM PROOF THAT ADHD WAS MADE UP FROM THE PHARMACUTICAL COMPANIES UM WHEN WAS IT MADE UP CUZ MY BROTHER HAD IT WHEN HE WAS A CHILD HE IS 38 NOW HE WAS ON RITILIN ALSO MY DR DID MENTION THE POSSIBLE GROWTH PROBLEM MY SON IS NOT UNDERWEIGHT NOR SHORT FOR HIS AGE OR NOT GROWING AT THE RATE HE SHOULD BE GROWING ALSO THE MEDS ARE NOT PURSUED TO MAKE MY LIFE EASY IT IS TO HELP MY SON BE ABLE TO SIT AND EAT ,TO BE ABLE TO SIT AND WORK ON PAPERS(EVEN ONES HE LOVES TO DO ) HE NEEDS MEDS TO SLEEP OR HE WONT SLEEP NOW IF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO ANTI MEDICATION OR ADHD DONT EXIST THEY ARE WELCOME TO SPEND A 2 WEEK PERIOD AT MY HOUSE (OVER NIGHT OF COURSE) WITH MY 2 SONS (AND I WILL HAVE THEM OFF MEDS ) AND THEY CAN CARE TAKE THEM HEY CAN TRY TO HELP THESE KIDS TRY TO EAT,WASH,SLEEP,PLAY,INTERACT, BUT OF COURSE THERE MORE THAN LIKJELY WILL BE NO TAKERS . WHAT EVER I DO FOR MY CHILD BY WAY OF MEDICATION IS NOT JUST FOR HIS HEALTH BUT FOR THE HEALTH AND WELL BEING OF MY OTHER CHILDREN AND MY SELF AND I TAKE GREAT OFFENCE TO BE REFERRED TO AS A PERSON WHO IS WANTING MEDS FOR MY OWN SAKE ( IMPLIED BY THE ARTICLE BELOW .THE MEDICATION DOES HELP ALSO ASK THE TEACHERS,ASK THE RELATIVES OF MY KIDS,ASK THE CHURCH MY KIDS BELING TO THEY ALL HAVE SEEN MY KIDS WITH MEDS AND WITH OUT . BASICALLY IN A NUTSHELL I TAKE OFFENCE TO THIS ARTICLE AND I FEEL IT IS NOTHING BUT A CONSPIRACY THEORY AND NOTHING BUT BULLSHIT ....... ----- Original Message ---- From: "sunrose101aol" <sunrose101aol> Autism and Aspergers Treatment Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 6:37:59 PM Subject: Ritalin http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented. The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.) Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. Turning schoolchildren into street junkies Ritalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children. Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. " Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible. The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage? This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children. In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth. This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.) Treating children like guinea pigs Nobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications. These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit. The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.) For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.) It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack? Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia. Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. The chemical abuse of children In my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry! I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods. Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. Ally Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 No, I live in FL. I like to visit Australia. My son does things in school that other kids make fun of him that he doesn't realize he doing. My therapist says that he just doesn't have the understanding of what other people think of him. It's part of his aspergers. Bek & Craig <strikwerda@...> wrote: Thanks Ally .. it's nice to know that I'm not alone. Are you from Australia?My son has lots of friends but isn't easily accepted and he quite often gets bullied but doesn't realise that's what other kids are doing and it really upsets me.Bek xxAlly Fortney wrote: Hi , I also have a 9 year old son with aspergers. His struggle has always been socializing with children his own age. He has no friends and likes to play in his room alot. I try to keep him active at the local YMCA with Basketball and swimming. When school starts I hope the Behavior specialist will work on role playing appropiate communication with other kids, Also he is on medication becuse is is very hyperactive. I also give him positive reinforcement so he doesn't get low self esteem. Bek & Craig <strikwerdaoptusnet.au> wrote: Do you realise capitals is yelling? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am new to this group and I find everyone's posts very interesting to hear everyone's opinions and what they are finding works best for their children. I have a son who is nearly 9 and has just been diagnosed with Aspergers and I am interested if there are any Aussie parents on this group? And what have you found the best resources to do with Aspergers.Thanks.vickie wrote: ONE I DO NOT THINK AD/HD IS A FICTICIOUS DISEASE I BELIEVE IT TRULY EXISTS . I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU CAN TAKE CERTAIN FOODS AWAY AND ALL WILL BE OKAY MAYBE WITH SOMEKIDS BUT NOT ALL KIDS.MY SON LOVES A LOT OF TV SHOWS WOULD LOVE TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES BUT CANNOT SIT STILL LONG ENOUGH TO FOCUS . ALSO HOW CAN IT BE FOOD WHEN NOT ALL KIDS HAVE IT MY 2 SONS HAVE IT (ALONG WITH OTHER DISORDERS) MY OTHER 2 CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE IT .MY SON I THINK WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP AND SIT AND WATCH MOVIES AND READ HIS BOOKS AND WORK ON THE PUTER BUT HE SIMPLY CANNOT DO IT.I GET SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE THINKING JUST CUZ THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN IT MEANS IT IS NOT REAL .LOOK AT HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE FIBROMAYLGIA(SP) SOME DRS SWEATR IT EXISTS OTHERS DO NOT .BUT JUST CUZ THEY DONT BELIEVE IT DOENST MENA IT DOESNT EXISTS.TO ALSO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE PARENTS ARE JUST WANTIING TO MEDICATE THE KIDS TO GET RID OF BEHAVIORSOR CUZ SCHOOL IS BORING ....NEWS FLASH SCHOOL HAS ALWAYS BEEN BORING AND NTO SOEMTHING KIDS WANT TO GO TO I KNOW I DIDNT WANT TO AND I WASNT ADHD I ATE PRIMARILY THE SAME FOODS MY KIDS EAT (MINUS SCHOOL LUNCHES MY MOM PACKED)WHY IS ADHD BECOMMING MORE PREVALENT NOW.ENVIRONMENTAL TRIGGERS VERY WELL CAN BE MAKING IT COME ABOUT .BUT I GET TIRED OF HEARING IT DOENS T EXIST AND THE DRUG COMPANIES WANT THE MONEY SO THEY ARE PUSHING IT( HEY WHEN AIDS STARTED AND INCREASED SO FAST WAS THAT JUST CUZ THE DRUG COMPANIES WANTED MONEY.ENOUGH WITH THE CONSPIRACIES .CHRIST MY KIDS HAVE HAD PROBLEMS SINCE ONE AND A HALF .MY SON HAS HAD TO BE ON MEDS SINCE HE WAS 4 ( HE WASNT EATING JUNK THEN EITHER NOTHING I WASNT EATING AT THE SAME AGE) IF HE WASNT MEDICATED MY HOUSE I WAS LIVING IN WOULDNT BE STANDING HE TRHEW THINGS BROKE THINGS SCREAMED OTHER THINGS HE COULDNT SIT LONG ENOUGH TO EAT . IM NOT SURE IF U POSTED THIS TO SHOW US WOW THIS IS WHAST THESE IDIOT MAGS ARE PRINTING (SORRY I THINK IT HAS ENOUGH BACKING TO BE IN THE PSCYHIATRY THAT IS MENTIONED BELOW) BUT TO SAY THAT THIS DISORDER DOESNT EXIST IS BULL THAT IS LIKE SAYING NEITHER AUTISM NOR MENTAL RETARDATION EXIST I MEAN MY SONS HAVE HFA,MR,THE ONE ON TOP OF THAT HAS TOURETTES,MOOD DISORDER,AD/HD.THEY HAVE IT .AND THEY ALL ARE REAL.AND TREATABLE NOW AS TO RITILIN SAYING IT STUNTED GROWTH HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE THEY DO MED CHECKS TO MAKE SURE THE KID GROWS ( THEY LOOK MORE AT INCHES UP THEN POUNDS) UMM PROOF THAT ADHD WAS MADE UP FROM THE PHARMACUTICAL COMPANIES UM WHEN WAS IT MADE UP CUZ MY BROTHER HAD IT WHEN HE WAS A CHILD HE IS 38 NOW HE WAS ON RITILIN ALSO MY DR DID MENTION THE POSSIBLE GROWTH PROBLEM MY SON IS NOT UNDERWEIGHT NOR SHORT FOR HIS AGE OR NOT GROWING AT THE RATE HE SHOULD BE GROWING ALSO THE MEDS ARE NOT PURSUED TO MAKE MY LIFE EASY IT IS TO HELP MY SON BE ABLE TO SIT AND EAT ,TO BE ABLE TO SIT AND WORK ON PAPERS(EVEN ONES HE LOVES TO DO ) HE NEEDS MEDS TO SLEEP OR HE WONT SLEEP NOW IF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO ANTI MEDICATION OR ADHD DONT EXIST THEY ARE WELCOME TO SPEND A 2 WEEK PERIOD AT MY HOUSE (OVER NIGHT OF COURSE) WITH MY 2 SONS (AND I WILL HAVE THEM OFF MEDS ) AND THEY CAN CARE TAKE THEM HEY CAN TRY TO HELP THESE KIDS TRY TO EAT,WASH,SLEEP,PLAY,INTERACT, BUT OF COURSE THERE MORE THAN LIKJELY WILL BE NO TAKERS . WHAT EVER I DO FOR MY CHILD BY WAY OF MEDICATION IS NOT JUST FOR HIS HEALTH BUT FOR THE HEALTH AND WELL BEING OF MY OTHER CHILDREN AND MY SELF AND I TAKE GREAT OFFENCE TO BE REFERRED TO AS A PERSON WHO IS WANTING MEDS FOR MY OWN SAKE ( IMPLIED BY THE ARTICLE BELOW .THE MEDICATION DOES HELP ALSO ASK THE TEACHERS,ASK THE RELATIVES OF MY KIDS,ASK THE CHURCH MY KIDS BELING TO THEY ALL HAVE SEEN MY KIDS WITH MEDS AND WITH OUT . BASICALLY IN A NUTSHELL I TAKE OFFENCE TO THIS ARTICLE AND I FEEL IT IS NOTHING BUT A CONSPIRACY THEORY AND NOTHING BUT BULLSHIT ....... Ritalin http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.) Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods. Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. Ally Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.Visit the Auto Green Center. Ally oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. 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Guest guest Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 Vickie, I have fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome, and a lot of what you are saying sounds familiar! vickie <blackfoot124@...> wrote: Lol sorry when I get on my biggest thing is trying to get out what I want to write .Whether in writing it or speaking it I do have a tendancy to ramble making for the long paragraphs.. With me I have found my concentration waning fast ,and along with it my memory .I am going to see a dr about it ( well if I remember to make the appt LOL ) the psyche dr tells me it is symptoms with the depression I suffer.But I am not quite sure any more. I wake and I feel even more tired than when I went to bed ,I have no energy most days and when I do get it I tire out easy .Hell I even eat and I can get wore out.I am also forgeting things ( I missed 3 appts in the space of 2 weeks). I do not think it is ad/hd for the concentration although sometimes with this I wonder how these kids deal with it cuz I am going nuts.It is very frustrating when you go to do things and you cant remember what you were doing.That is why I tend to just write it and be done ( got to get it out before I forget what i want to say LOL)it sucks .Oh incase you are wondering my therapist did suggest stress can produce this behavior(me have stress NAH not me LOL)and she also suggested Fibromyalgia not sure if this is how it is spelled or what all it does so I will look into it. Vickie Re: Ritalin Dear Jen, I didn't write it! Just thought it interesting, because I did notice that the year my daughter was in a 7th grade self-contained classroom (and the only girl) that the fifteen boys, who couldn't do school work well, couldn't read well, had no trouble with Sports Illustrated or other reading material that interested them. And most of them were extremely articulate, as well. I don't think any of them were on ritalin, as it was not perhaps that popular. I haven't the faintest idea whether it stunts growth or leads to more drugs. Just have read that sometimes kids sell their ritalin. I found the article interesting, and Mike is usually pretty right on. I hope your packing and everything are going well! That angel is already sent before you, preparing your place in Ark. Is Max definitely moving there to join you? That would be wonderful, as you'll have his girlfriend too. Love, Francine _In a message dated 7/23/2007 11:35:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, diegowench (DOT) com writes: Actually - it has been proven over and over again that kids who are medicated for their adhd are LESS likely to self medicate with amphetamines.Jensunrose101aol (DOT) com wrote: http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.) Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods. Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Life may not be the party we asked for - but while we're here, let's dance! Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. 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Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Oh ok. I'm only starting to really understand Aspergers. Bek xx Ally Fortney wrote: No, I live in FL. I like to visit Australia. My son does things in school that other kids make fun of him that he doesn't realize he doing. My therapist says that he just doesn't have the understanding of what other people think of him. It's part of his aspergers. Bek & Craig <strikwerdaoptusnet.au> wrote: Thanks Ally .. it's nice to know that I'm not alone. Are you from Australia? My son has lots of friends but isn't easily accepted and he quite often gets bullied but doesn't realise that's what other kids are doing and it really upsets me. Bek xx Ally Fortney wrote: Hi , I also have a 9 year old son with aspergers. His struggle has always been socializing with children his own age. He has no friends and likes to play in his room alot. I try to keep him active at the local YMCA with Basketball and swimming. When school starts I hope the Behavior specialist will work on role playing appropiate communication with other kids, Also he is on medication becuse is is very hyperactive. I also give him positive reinforcement so he doesn't get low self esteem. Bek & Craig <strikwerdaoptusnet.au> wrote: Do you realise capitals is yelling? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am new to this group and I find everyone's posts very interesting to hear everyone's opinions and what they are finding works best for their children. I have a son who is nearly 9 and has just been diagnosed with Aspergers and I am interested if there are any Aussie parents on this group? And what have you found the best resources to do with Aspergers. Thanks. vickie wrote: ONE I DO NOT THINK AD/HD IS A FICTICIOUS DISEASE I BELIEVE IT TRULY EXISTS . I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU CAN TAKE CERTAIN FOODS AWAY AND ALL WILL BE OKAY MAYBE WITH SOMEKIDS BUT NOT ALL KIDS.MY SON LOVES A LOT OF TV SHOWS WOULD LOVE TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES BUT CANNOT SIT STILL LONG ENOUGH TO FOCUS . ALSO HOW CAN IT BE FOOD WHEN NOT ALL KIDS HAVE IT MY 2 SONS HAVE IT (ALONG WITH OTHER DISORDERS) MY OTHER 2 CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE IT .MY SON I THINK WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP AND SIT AND WATCH MOVIES AND READ HIS BOOKS AND WORK ON THE PUTER BUT HE SIMPLY CANNOT DO IT.I GET SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE THINKING JUST CUZ THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN IT MEANS IT IS NOT REAL .LOOK AT HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE FIBROMAYLGIA(SP) SOME DRS SWEATR IT EXISTS OTHERS DO NOT ..BUT JUST CUZ THEY DONT BELIEVE IT DOENST MENA IT DOESNT EXISTS.TO ALSO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE PARENTS ARE JUST WANTIING TO MEDICATE THE KIDS TO GET RID OF BEHAVIORSOR CUZ SCHOOL IS BORING ....NEWS FLASH SCHOOL HAS ALWAYS BEEN BORING AND NTO SOEMTHING KIDS WANT TO GO TO I KNOW I DIDNT WANT TO AND I WASNT ADHD I ATE PRIMARILY THE SAME FOODS MY KIDS EAT (MINUS SCHOOL LUNCHES MY MOM PACKED)WHY IS ADHD BECOMMING MORE PREVALENT NOW.ENVIRONMENTAL TRIGGERS VERY WELL CAN BE MAKING IT COME ABOUT .BUT I GET TIRED OF HEARING IT DOENS T EXIST AND THE DRUG COMPANIES WANT THE MONEY SO THEY ARE PUSHING IT( HEY WHEN AIDS STARTED AND INCREASED SO FAST WAS THAT JUST CUZ THE DRUG COMPANIES WANTED MONEY.ENOUGH WITH THE CONSPIRACIES .CHRIST MY KIDS HAVE HAD PROBLEMS SINCE ONE AND A HALF .MY SON HAS HAD TO BE ON MEDS SINCE HE WAS 4 ( HE WASNT EATING JUNK THEN EITHER NOTHING I WASNT EATING AT THE SAME AGE) IF HE WASNT MEDICATED MY HOUSE I WAS LIVING IN WOULDNT BE STANDING HE TRHEW THINGS BROKE THINGS SCREAMED OTHER THINGS HE COULDNT SIT LONG ENOUGH TO EAT . IM NOT SURE IF U POSTED THIS TO SHOW US WOW THIS IS WHAST THESE IDIOT MAGS ARE PRINTING (SORRY I THINK IT HAS ENOUGH BACKING TO BE IN THE PSCYHIATRY THAT IS MENTIONED BELOW) BUT TO SAY THAT THIS DISORDER DOESNT EXIST IS BULL THAT IS LIKE SAYING NEITHER AUTISM NOR MENTAL RETARDATION EXIST I MEAN MY SONS HAVE HFA,MR,THE ONE ON TOP OF THAT HAS TOURETTES,MOOD DISORDER,AD/HD.THEY HAVE IT .AND THEY ALL ARE REAL.AND TREATABLE NOW AS TO RITILIN SAYING IT STUNTED GROWTH HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE THEY DO MED CHECKS TO MAKE SURE THE KID GROWS ( THEY LOOK MORE AT INCHES UP THEN POUNDS) UMM PROOF THAT ADHD WAS MADE UP FROM THE PHARMACUTICAL COMPANIES UM WHEN WAS IT MADE UP CUZ MY BROTHER HAD IT WHEN HE WAS A CHILD HE IS 38 NOW HE WAS ON RITILIN ALSO MY DR DID MENTION THE POSSIBLE GROWTH PROBLEM MY SON IS NOT UNDERWEIGHT NOR SHORT FOR HIS AGE OR NOT GROWING AT THE RATE HE SHOULD BE GROWING ALSO THE MEDS ARE NOT PURSUED TO MAKE MY LIFE EASY IT IS TO HELP MY SON BE ABLE TO SIT AND EAT ,TO BE ABLE TO SIT AND WORK ON PAPERS(EVEN ONES HE LOVES TO DO ) HE NEEDS MEDS TO SLEEP OR HE WONT SLEEP NOW IF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO ANTI MEDICATION OR ADHD DONT EXIST THEY ARE WELCOME TO SPEND A 2 WEEK PERIOD AT MY HOUSE (OVER NIGHT OF COURSE) WITH MY 2 SONS (AND I WILL HAVE THEM OFF MEDS ) AND THEY CAN CARE TAKE THEM HEY CAN TRY TO HELP THESE KIDS TRY TO EAT,WASH,SLEEP,PLAY,INTERACT, BUT OF COURSE THERE MORE THAN LIKJELY WILL BE NO TAKERS . WHAT EVER I DO FOR MY CHILD BY WAY OF MEDICATION IS NOT JUST FOR HIS HEALTH BUT FOR THE HEALTH AND WELL BEING OF MY OTHER CHILDREN AND MY SELF AND I TAKE GREAT OFFENCE TO BE REFERRED TO AS A PERSON WHO IS WANTING MEDS FOR MY OWN SAKE ( IMPLIED BY THE ARTICLE BELOW .THE MEDICATION DOES HELP ALSO ASK THE TEACHERS,ASK THE RELATIVES OF MY KIDS,ASK THE CHURCH MY KIDS BELING TO THEY ALL HAVE SEEN MY KIDS WITH MEDS AND WITH OUT . BASICALLY IN A NUTSHELL I TAKE OFFENCE TO THIS ARTICLE AND I FEEL IT IS NOTHING BUT A CONSPIRACY THEORY AND NOTHING BUT BULLSHIT ....... ----- Original Message ---- From: "sunrose101aol" <sunrose101aol> Autism and Aspergers Treatment Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 6:37:59 PM Subject: Ritalin http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented. The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.) Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. Turning schoolchildren into street junkies Ritalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children. Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. " Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible. The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage? This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children. In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth. This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.) Treating children like guinea pigs Nobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications. These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit. The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.) For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.) It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack? Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia. Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. The chemical abuse of children In my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry! I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods. Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. Ally Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. Ally oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I can only share my experience, and it is rather vast - as an adhd mom to 3 out of 4 adhd kids I have seen both sides - unmedicated and medicated. I can say that Concerta (ritalin) changed my life for nothing but the positive and it has been that way for 2 of my four kids. Molly who has AS and Hope who has Autism couldn't tolerate it and I took them off again right away. Kernan <rainysnana@...> wrote: >It may be that some kids sell their ritalin - however >most of these kids are doing drugs to begin with.... Sorry but I would have to dissagree! Most are medicated! Not, NOT medicated. Having been on the drugs end after being put on ritalin. It made me less timid and I felt more in control. Alot like addicts will feel using cocaine or speed. My mother-in-law is a juvenile probation officer and she tells us all the time about kids getting their drugs. And If you look hard enough you will find a report that counters what you've been saying. Maybe not all kids sell their meds....but a large enough percentage eventually do. Back in the 80's they sold for $8 a pill around here! I have no clue what they sell for now. I started into drugs because I liked being skinny after being overwieght for most of my puberty. When kids came along, and I gained weight, and I couldn't get ritalin...I turned to something else. That was 25 years ago. Kernan Life may not be the party we asked for - but while we're here, let's dance! Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 My rhuemy put me on Ritalin for the fatigue. Just started on it so we will see. Also he put me on Cymbalta which is being used for pain caused by fibro. Hamilton <hammy412000@...> wrote: I have had fibro diagnosed for about a year now. My rhuemy put me on Lyrica, and it worked for awhile now it is not working I'm in extreme pain all the time. I heard someone talk about Ritalin for fibro. If anyone knows more about it I would appreciate knowing. God Bless Chris Jeannie --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 I am interested too in hearing others who also take Ritalin or some other meds to help w/ fatigue. When I first got diagnosed w/ RA and fibro shortly there after I was taking efedra. I never felt jittery or felt like my heart was racing...it helped me funtion like a normal member of society. I was bummed when they took it off the shelves. I have tried vitamins, energy drinks etc...but nothing worked as well as the efedra to combat the fatigue. It never occured to me to ask my rheumy to prescribe me a " stimulant " like ritalin or adderall. I was wondering if anyone has tried provigil. Thanks. --- In , " Hamilton " <hammy412000@...> wrote: > > I have had fibro diagnosed for about a year now. My rhuemy put me on > Lyrica, and it worked for awhile now it is not working I'm in extreme > pain all the time. I heard someone talk about Ritalin for fibro. If > anyone knows more about it I would appreciate knowing. > > God Bless > > Chris > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 I was on provigil for about 2 weeks and loved it gave me loads of energy to get everything done. wish my rheumy would put me back on it. Jenn -------------- Original message -------------- From: " " <man_u8@...> I am interested too in hearing others who also take Ritalin or some other meds to help w/ fatigue. When I first got diagnosed w/ RA and fibro shortly there after I was taking efedra. I never felt jittery or felt like my heart was racing...it helped me funtion like a normal member of society. I was bummed when they took it off the shelves. I have tried vitamins, energy drinks etc...but nothing worked as well as the efedra to combat the fatigue. It never occured to me to ask my rheumy to prescribe me a " stimulant " like ritalin or adderall. I was wondering if anyone has tried provigil. Thanks. --- In , " Hamilton " <hammy412000@...> wrote: > > I have had fibro diagnosed for about a year now. My rhuemy put me on > Lyrica, and it worked for awhile now it is not working I'm in extreme > pain all the time. I heard someone talk about Ritalin for fibro. If > anyone knows more about it I would appreciate knowing. > > God Bless > > Chris > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Like so many others, I've found the fatigue of RA to be incredibly challenging. My pdoc and I discussed this and he prescribed Adderall for me to help with my energy levels. I've been taking it for a little less than a month and there is a very perceptible difference in my energy levels. I can actually get things done now rather than turning into a vegetable when I get home from work. > > > > I have had fibro diagnosed for about a year now. My rhuemy put me on > > Lyrica, and it worked for awhile now it is not working I'm in > extreme > > pain all the time. I heard someone talk about Ritalin for fibro. If > > anyone knows more about it I would appreciate knowing. > > > > God Bless > > > > Chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 While this disease does give you fatigue, there are many other reason that can make that fatigue worse. First, get things like B12, ferritin, and AM Cortisol checked. Ferritin is your blood stores, your body goes there first. So you can be anemic and not have it show on a normal CBC. If your cortisol isn't in the top of the range in the am (8am test) then you will deal have a cortisol rhythm that gets turned upside down. The problem is the " main stream " doctors aren't getting it. I saw an article were they are starting to make the connection that several doctors have already made. Vit B and C help to support your adrenal glands. Those that take pred, don't need to worry so much about adrenal fatigue...but might want to talk to their doctor about testing B12 and ferritin and if they should add Vit C. Kate G At 03:58 PM 1/25/2008, you wrote: >I am interested too in hearing others who also take Ritalin or some >other meds to help w/ fatigue. When I first got diagnosed w/ RA and >fibro shortly there after I was taking efedra. I never felt jittery >or felt like my heart was racing...it helped me funtion like a normal >member of society. I was bummed when they took it off the shelves. I >have tried vitamins, energy drinks etc...but nothing worked as well as >the efedra to combat the fatigue. >It never occured to me to ask my rheumy to prescribe me a " stimulant " >like ritalin or adderall. I was wondering if anyone has tried >provigil. Thanks. > > > >--- In , " Hamilton " <hammy412000@...> >wrote: > > > > I have had fibro diagnosed for about a year now. My rhuemy put me on > > Lyrica, and it worked for awhile now it is not working I'm in >extreme > > pain all the time. I heard someone talk about Ritalin for fibro. If > > anyone knows more about it I would appreciate knowing. > > > > God Bless > > > > Chris > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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