Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Hi all--- I spoke with a friend today who took her son to the pediatrician for a physical and the pediatrician said he needed 3 shots. She has had the vaccine discussion before and thought this doctor, whom she had been with for 7 years now, was on the same page as her regarding this (he has been diagnosed with Autism since the last round of shots), turned to her and stated (in a very uncaring and cold manner), " I will agree to space out the shots in a reasonable manner, but if you refuse to have your child vaccinated, out new policy in our practice is to refuse to treat those patients " . My question is: is this legal? Also, if anyone can recommend a pediatrician or family physician that will treat and not harrass parents about this (preferrably on the east side), I would really appreciate it. I had an issue with my own son's pediatrician about this very same thing. He did not refuse to treat, but the way he treated me, I will never go back to him. Has anyone else ever had this experience? Thanks so much, Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Laurie, I am searching for an AAP statement about this. They recently stated that they do not encourage physicians to refuse patients because of immunization decisions. If I find the statement, i will post it. Maybe people can bring this statement to the pediatrician and ask him if he is going against AAP recommendations. If anyone else finds it please post it. Jane 10 little words to live by: If it is to be, it is up to me From: Laurie Kowalski <lyndhurstmom3@...>Subject: [ ] This really angered me!! Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 4:08 PM Hi all---I spoke with a friend today who took her son to the pediatrician for a physical and the pediatrician said he needed 3 shots. She has had the vaccine discussion before and thought this doctor, whom she had been with for 7 years now, was on the same page as her regarding this (he has been diagnosed with Autism since the last round of shots), turned to her and stated (in a very uncaring and cold manner), "I will agree to space out the shots in a reasonable manner, but if you refuse to have your child vaccinated, out new policy in our practice is to refuse to treat those patients".My question is: is this legal? Also, if anyone can recommend a pediatrician or family physician that will treat and not harrass parents about this (preferrably on the east side), I would really appreciate it. I had an issue with my own son's pediatrician about this very same thing. He did not refuse to treat, but the way he treated me, I will never go back to him.Has anyone else ever had this experience?Thanks so much,Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Thank you Jane. This is really scaring me because I myself need to find a new pediatrician and if they can refuse a patient because of these decisions, then I am going to have a difficult time finding one. Laurie From: Laurie Kowalski <lyndhurstmom3>Subject: [ ] This really angered me!! @group s.comDate: Friday, February 13, 2009, 4:08 PM Hi all---I spoke with a friend today who took her son to the pediatrician for a physical and the pediatrician said he needed 3 shots. She has had the vaccine discussion before and thought this doctor, whom she had been with for 7 years now, was on the same page as her regarding this (he has been diagnosed with Autism since the last round of shots), turned to her and stated (in a very uncaring and cold manner), "I will agree to space out the shots in a reasonable manner, but if you refuse to have your child vaccinated, out new policy in our practice is to refuse to treat those patients".My question is: is this legal? Also, if anyone can recommend a pediatrician or family physician that will treat and not harrass parents about this (preferrably on the east side), I would really appreciate it. I had an issue with my own son's pediatrician about this very same thing. He did not refuse to treat, but the way he treated me, I will never go back to him.Has anyone else ever had this experience?Thanks so much,Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Well, here's your statement. Not what you were expecting is it. They are being encouraged to refuse patients. This is a recent Chicago Tribune article. .. . . . . . . . Originally posted: June 27, 2008 The AAP gets tough on vaccine dissenters The American Academy of Pediatrics is growing so concerned about the climbing rate of vaccine exemptions--and the possible affect on community health--that it recently formed a group called the " Immunization Alliance " to address the growing refusal of some parents to vaccinate. In a letter sent to members, the AAP identified the following as problems: " Parent-to-parent spread of myths. " " A public that does not understand the risk of vaccine-preventable diseases. " " Unbalanced Internet and media exposure. " " Decreased trust in the government and health care providers. " " Slow response to negative news coverage. " " Increasing calls for philosophical exemptions. " But here's a problem the AAP missed: The sheer number of recommended and mandated vaccines is freaking parents out. And new combo shots that contain a stew of four or five different vaccines aren't going to help matters. In 1982, The Centers for Disease Control recommended 23 doses of 7 vaccines for children up to age 6. Today, the CDC recommends that children get 48 doses of 12 vaccines by age 6. That's a lot. Toss in flu shots for all infants and children and it boosts the number of recommended vaccines for children to 69 doses of 16 vaccines by age 18. The two new combo shots approved yesterday by a federal advisory panel don't change the schedule; they just reduce the number of individual shots. GlaxoKline's four-in-one shot offers protection against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and polio. Sanofi Pasteur's five-in-one shot is for diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio and illness due to Haemophilus influenzae type b, or HiB. But parents who are already asking doctors to unbundle the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine because they want their child to have individual vaccines aren't likely to embrace a five-shot cocktail. The new shots are also likely to raise questions, concerns and storage issues. And how does the AAP plan to handle it? The organization will not talk about choice or informed consent, issues that should be raised with any medical procedure that carries a risk. Instead, the AAP suggests in a sample letter to pediatricians, that physicians tell parents who refuse to vaccinate that they have a " self-centered and unacceptable attitude " since your child is getting protection from others who have chosen to vaccinate. And if you absolutely refuse to vaccinate your child despite your physician's efforts, you could be booted from your pediatrician's practice. The sample letter to doctors from the AAP recommends saying: " We will ask you to find another health care provider who shares your views. We do not keep a list of such providers nor would we recommend any such physician. " > > From: Laurie Kowalski <lyndhurstmom3@...> > Subject: [ ] This really angered me!! > > Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 4:08 PM > > > > > > > Hi all--- > I spoke with a friend today who took her son to the pediatrician for > a physical and the pediatrician said he needed 3 shots. She has had > the vaccine discussion before and thought this doctor, whom she had > been with for 7 years now, was on the same page as her regarding > this (he has been diagnosed with Autism since the last round of > shots), turned to her and stated (in a very uncaring and cold > manner), " I will agree to space out the shots in a reasonable > manner, but if you refuse to have your child vaccinated, out new > policy in our practice is to refuse to treat those patients " . > > My question is: is this legal? Also, if anyone can recommend a > pediatrician or family physician that will treat and not harrass > parents about this (preferrably on the east side), I would really > appreciate it. I had an issue with my own son's pediatrician about > this very same thing. He did not refuse to treat, but the way he > treated me, I will never go back to him. > > Has anyone else ever had this experience? > > Thanks so much, > Laurie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Sigh, actually it is what I expected; after all it is the AAP we are talking about, lol. They did make the statement I talked about but probably realized it would get them in big doodoo and changed it. Laurie, I just talked to some of the other people in ACHAMP. They said that you should very calmly ask the pediatrician if he is willing to sign a form taking full responsibility for any potential adverse reaction from the vaccine he is forcing on your child. Personally I would ask the pediatrician if he is aware that the immunization schedule is "recommended" and NOT "mandated". It is indeed a very delicate situation. I have not been able to locate anything saying that physicians cannot refuse patients. That is something we need to work. Along the same lines: Be careful with signing any "refusal to vaccinate" papers. There have been cases where people have been charged with child abuse based on signing such forms. Personally I am fortunate that my physician doesn't get into it with me but that is probably because I don't see him that often (now that is older) or because I always make sure I am wearing my "autism - its no mystery, it is mercury" t-shirt when I go out there, lol. Rest assured though that the physicians will be getting tougher on us now that we lost the MMR cases in vaccine court. Jane 10 little words to live by: If it is to be, it is up to me From: <lamoo@...>Subject: [ ] Re: This really angered me!! Date: Saturday, February 14, 2009, 5:59 PM Well, here's your statement. Not what you were expecting is it. They are being encouraged to refuse patients. This is a recent Chicago Tribune article.. . . . . . . .Originally posted: June 27, 2008The AAP gets tough on vaccine dissentersThe American Academy of Pediatrics is growing so concerned about the climbing rate of vaccine exemptions-- and the possible affect on community health--that it recently formed a group called the "Immunization Alliance" to address the growing refusal of some parents to vaccinate. In a letter sent to members, the AAP identified the following as problems: "Parent-to-parent spread of myths." "A public that does not understand the risk of vaccine-preventable diseases." "Unbalanced Internet and media exposure." "Decreased trust in the government and health care providers." "Slow response to negative news coverage." "Increasing calls for philosophical exemptions."But here's a problem the AAP missed: The sheer number of recommended and mandated vaccines is freaking parents out. And new combo shots that contain a stew of four or five different vaccines aren't going to help matters.In 1982, The Centers for Disease Control recommended 23 doses of 7 vaccines for children up to age 6.Today, the CDC recommends that children get 48 doses of 12 vaccines by age 6. That's a lot. Toss in flu shots for all infants and children and it boosts the number of recommended vaccines for children to 69 doses of 16 vaccines by age 18. The two new combo shots approved yesterday by a federal advisory panel don't change the schedule; they just reduce the number of individual shots. GlaxoKline' s four-in-one shot offers protection against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and polio. Sanofi Pasteur's five-in-one shot is for diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio and illness due to Haemophilus influenzae type b, or HiB. But parents who are already asking doctors to unbundle the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine because they want their child to have individual vaccines aren't likely to embrace a five-shot cocktail. The new shots are also likely to raise questions, concerns and storage issues. And how does the AAP plan to handle it? The organization will not talk about choice or informed consent, issues that should be raised with any medical procedure that carries a risk.Instead, the AAP suggests in a sample letter to pediatricians, that physicians tell parents who refuse to vaccinate that they have a "self-centered and unacceptable attitude" since your child is getting protection from others who have chosen to vaccinate. And if you absolutely refuse to vaccinate your child despite your physician's efforts, you could be booted from your pediatrician' s practice. The sample letter to doctors from the AAP recommends saying:"We will ask you to find another health care provider who shares your views. We do not keep a list of such providers nor would we recommend any such physician."> > From: Laurie Kowalski <lyndhurstmom3@ ...>> Subject: [ ] This really angered me!!> @group s.com> Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 4:08 PM> > > > > > > Hi all---> I spoke with a friend today who took her son to the pediatrician for > a physical and the pediatrician said he needed 3 shots. She has had > the vaccine discussion before and thought this doctor, whom she had > been with for 7 years now, was on the same page as her regarding > this (he has been diagnosed with Autism since the last round of > shots), turned to her and stated (in a very uncaring and cold > manner), "I will agree to space out the shots in a reasonable > manner, but if you refuse to have your child vaccinated, out new > policy in our practice is to refuse to treat those patients".> > My question is: is this legal? Also, if anyone can recommend a > pediatrician or family physician that will treat and not harrass > parents about this (preferrably on the east side), I would really > appreciate it. I had an issue with my own son's pediatrician about > this very same thing. He did not refuse to treat, but the way he > treated me, I will never go back to him.> > Has anyone else ever had this experience?> > Thanks so much,> Laurie> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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