Guest guest Posted May 27, 1999 Report Share Posted May 27, 1999 Oral polio stays in the babies intestinal track for 2 months (eight weeks). Chicken pox and a couple other vaccines are also live (I can't remember which ones) Oral polio is the one most dangerous though. As Cathi said it is to be completely gone within the next year. in CT Cvroth@... wrote: > > From: Cvroth@... > > Hi, Joan. > > There are pediatricians out there that treat you with respect, even though > you choose not to vaccinate, although they are admittedly a rare breed. At > the very least, they will be cordial while reminding you why you should > vaccinate. Keep looking! > > In the meantime, if memory serves me correctly, I think the one you need to > look out for is the oral polio (they should not be giving it anymore, at > least not for the first two doses, but I've personally been aware of it still > happening). The injected polio is killed and should not present a problem as > it enters the bloodstream. But the oral is live and enters the > stomach/intestines and is eliminated in their poop. So it is possible to > catch it from a recently vaccinated child if you are in the vicinity of their > poopy diaper or (I would assume) if the child touched the poop then passed it > on. They will even warn you before giving your child the shot if you have > an immune-compromised person or an unvaccinated (polio) person living in the > household. I don't remember the actual amount of time that a child is > " contagious " in their shedding the live virus, I think it's at least a couple > of weeks. > > I believe that this is the only vaccine that you can " catch " since it is live > and oral, therefore shed in the stools. > > Cathi > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ONElist members are using Shared Files in great ways! > > Are you? If not, see our homepage for details. -- @... *************************************************************** We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice *************************************************************** Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you implement that decision is yours and yours alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 1999 Report Share Posted May 28, 1999 , Thanks so much. I too am a bit of a hygiene freak. Hand-washing, a much over-looked precaution, I believe can really keep a lot of germies at bay! The info. about homeopathy was interesting. I have that book, and I guess always thought homeopathy would be too complicated to learn / research. But I think I'm going to have to give it a try. Thanks again. I appreciate your help. Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 1999 Report Share Posted May 28, 1999 isa, Thanks so much. I too am a bit of a hygiene freak. Hand-washing, a much over-looked precaution, I believe can really keep a lot of germies at bay! The info. about homeopathy was interesting. I have that book, and I guess always thought homeopathy would be too complicated to learn / research. But I think I'm going to have to give it a try. Thanks again. I appreciate your help. Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 1999 Report Share Posted May 28, 1999 parents have to be real careful because they are the ones changing the diaper. i remember reading that a father got polio from changing his daughter's diaper. my homeopathic physician said the same thing to me yesterday. Re: (no subject) >From: Reiss <lisa@...> > >Oral polio stays in the babies intestinal track for 2 months (eight >weeks). Chicken pox and a couple other vaccines are also live (I can't >remember which ones) Oral polio is the one most dangerous though. As >Cathi said it is to be completely gone within the next year. > in CT > >Cvroth@... wrote: >> >> From: Cvroth@... >> >> Hi, Joan. >> >> There are pediatricians out there that treat you with respect, even though >> you choose not to vaccinate, although they are admittedly a rare breed. At >> the very least, they will be cordial while reminding you why you should >> vaccinate. Keep looking! >> >> In the meantime, if memory serves me correctly, I think the one you need to >> look out for is the oral polio (they should not be giving it anymore, at >> least not for the first two doses, but I've personally been aware of it still >> happening). The injected polio is killed and should not present a problem as >> it enters the bloodstream. But the oral is live and enters the >> stomach/intestines and is eliminated in their poop. So it is possible to >> catch it from a recently vaccinated child if you are in the vicinity of their >> poopy diaper or (I would assume) if the child touched the poop then passed it >> on. They will even warn you before giving your child the shot if you have >> an immune-compromised person or an unvaccinated (polio) person living in the >> household. I don't remember the actual amount of time that a child is >> " contagious " in their shedding the live virus, I think it's at least a couple >> of weeks. >> >> I believe that this is the only vaccine that you can " catch " since it is live >> and oral, therefore shed in the stools. >> >> Cathi >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ONElist members are using Shared Files in great ways! >> >> Are you? If not, see our homepage for details. > >-- >@... >*************************************************************** >We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice >*************************************************************** >Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical >OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you >implement that decision is yours and yours alone. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >With more than 17 million e-mails exchanged daily... > >...ONElist is THE place where the world talks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 1999 Report Share Posted May 28, 1999 arents have to be real careful because they are the ones changing the diaper. i remember reading that a father got polio from changing his daughter's diaper. my homeopathic physician said the same thing to me yesterday. Re: (no subject) >From: Reiss <lisa@...> > >Oral polio stays in the babies intestinal track for 2 months (eight >weeks). Chicken pox and a couple other vaccines are also live (I can't >remember which ones) Oral polio is the one most dangerous though. As >Cathi said it is to be completely gone within the next year. > in CT > >Cvroth@... wrote: >> >> From: Cvroth@... >> >> Hi, Joan. >> >> There are pediatricians out there that treat you with respect, even though >> you choose not to vaccinate, although they are admittedly a rare breed. At >> the very least, they will be cordial while reminding you why you should >> vaccinate. Keep looking! >> >> In the meantime, if memory serves me correctly, I think the one you need to >> look out for is the oral polio (they should not be giving it anymore, at >> least not for the first two doses, but I've personally been aware of it still >> happening). The injected polio is killed and should not present a problem as >> it enters the bloodstream. But the oral is live and enters the >> stomach/intestines and is eliminated in their poop. So it is possible to >> catch it from a recently vaccinated child if you are in the vicinity of their >> poopy diaper or (I would assume) if the child touched the poop then passed it >> on. They will even warn you before giving your child the shot if you have >> an immune-compromised person or an unvaccinated (polio) person living in the >> household. I don't remember the actual amount of time that a child is >> " contagious " in their shedding the live virus, I think it's at least a couple >> of weeks. >> >> I believe that this is the only vaccine that you can " catch " since it is live >> and oral, therefore shed in the stools. >> >> Cathi >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ONElist members are using Shared Files in great ways! >> >> Are you? If not, see our homepage for details. > >-- >@... >*************************************************************** >We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice >*************************************************************** >Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical >OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you >implement that decision is yours and yours alone. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >With more than 17 million e-mails exchanged daily... > >...ONElist is THE place where the world talks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 1999 Report Share Posted May 28, 1999 I do the same neurotic thing in public restrooms...especially if you're in there long enough to see people come and go WITHOUT washing their hands.....infinity yuck. Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 1999 Report Share Posted May 28, 1999 Here is a public restroom tip I use often. The majority of the people leave the bathroom without washing their hands and they immediately TOUCH the door knob or handle upon leaving, depositing whatever germs they have on the door knob. Then you touch it. So always take an extra paper towel and use it to cover your hand while opening the door. Especially in restaurants, since hepatitis is spread often by getting the germs into your food. From: Jefkarp@... Reply-Vaccinationsonelist Vaccinationsonelist Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:07:53 EDT From: Jefkarp@... I do the same neurotic thing in public restrooms...especially if you're in there long enough to see people come and go WITHOUT washing their hands.....infinity yuck. Joan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ What was YOUR favorite part?! Tell other Star Wars fans at ONElist! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 1999 Report Share Posted June 1, 1999 << " There are " hot lots " of vaccine that have been associated with more adverse events and deaths than others. Parents should find the numbers of these lots and not allow their children to receive vaccines from them. " Now wait a minute. It's suddenly the parents' fault if their child receives a hot lot? If they can't regulate / monitor this what else then? Yes, we should be educated they're saying...but only enough to pick up the pieces they drop? Joan>> Hi, Joan! It gets a little confusing the way they have it printed, but the quote you read was what they called the " misconception " . What followed was their response to this " misconception " . They should have had the questions in bold or italics to differentiate between them and the answers! Cathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 1999 Report Share Posted June 1, 1999 Thanks for the clarification. I'll have to reread - - - as I interpretted, it was disconcerting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 1999 Report Share Posted June 4, 1999 And I just love how the vaccine manufacturers place blame for the 6,000% cost increase of vaccines on the parents who are just trying to make sense out of what never should have happened in the first place to their children,as well as protect other kids from going through the same thing.The article makes it sound like it was unfair to have the compensation program or even the VAERS,neither of which I feel do justice for a lot of families,because they deny vaccine damage in the majority of the cases. I thought the article in its entire form was an insult to all parents,regardless of how they lost their children,and what laws they were advocating for.I see nothing wrong with trying to put into law things that might help future kids,as long as it does not force parents to do anything to their children they don't want too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 1999 Report Share Posted June 4, 1999 In a message dated 6/4/99 12:38:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marcy@... writes: << While there is still disagreement about whether there is a relationship, parent advocacy and lawsuits helped to raise the cost of the vaccine 6,000 percent. Now, some activist parents even lobby for parental rights to refuse shots for their kids. >> How dare we !!! And now it's also our fault that the vaccine cost is higher? Not the fact that the government needs to cover its ass in case of lawsuits? And what is this guy insinuating anyway - to wait until there is a definite relationship (whatever that terminology means - I assume one where the vaccine companies/government say yes, these are dangerous?), to wait until there is a definite relationship established before we refuse these shots? That makes no sense - does that mean that a definite relationship is established, and they'll still give the shots? AARRRGGGHHHHHHH Cathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 1999 Report Share Posted June 4, 1999 I agree about the tone and content being scary Marcy!! I couldn't help myself, I just fired off a nasty email to him (Mark Fritz). Sue Marcy Koltun-Crilley wrote: > From: Marcy Koltun-Crilley <marcy@...> > > Read the last line of this article. > > " Now, some activist parents even lobby for > parental rights to refuse shots for their kids. " > > Amazing! This sounds as if parents were demanding > some outragous favor, rather then protecting their own > children from Assault and battery from our own government! > This is the scariest article I have read because of the wording and > tone > > " The Politics of Parental Grieving " > Los Angeles Times Online (06/03/99); Fritz, Mark > > The impact of parents' outrage can be powerful, notes Los Angeles > Times staff writer Mark Fritz, and can be compelling when > legislation is in question. Parental ire has helped to pass a > slew of laws nationwide, ranging from campus crime to binge > drinking to draw strings on children's clothes to vaccine side > effects. The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program was > established after children died or were brain damaged in the > 1970s from, according to some scientists, a common whooping cough > vaccine. While there is still disagreement about whether there > is a relationship, parent advocacy and lawsuits helped to raise > the cost of the vaccine 6,000 percent. Now, some activist > parents even lobby for parental rights to refuse shots for their > kids. > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking to expand your world? > > ONElist has nearly 160,000 e-mail communities from which to chose! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 1999 Report Share Posted June 10, 1999 Joan - I think it is a fantastic letter and certainly written with more respect than Chapman deserves! Good for you. One suggestion - you might want to add to the drug companies/profits paragraph the fact that, here in the US anyway, the drug companies are who fund the vaccine safety research. Adds more the the profits angle. Just a thought! Wonderful letter - you MUST send it! Cathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 1999 Report Share Posted June 10, 1999 Joan... SEND IT! It looks great and I like what you had to share - great job! Sherri Jefkarp@... wrote: > From: Jefkarp@... > > Below is a response to the article by Mr. Chapman that I would like to send. > I would greatly appreciate it if any of you on the list would give me your > thoughts...good, bad, indifferent. Perhaps I shouldn't send it? I thank you > for your input. > Joan > > In response to Mr. Chapman’s article regarding vaccines, I would like to > point out that the vaccine topic is a hot one here in the United States too. > Much debate. Many criticisms. Assorted opinions. > > Some people may be anti-vaccine because they understand the human body to be > a whole (rather than merely a sum of it’s parts) and do not believe that > introducing even " weakened " toxins unnaturally is how the immune system is > intended to best function. > > Others are anti-vaccine due to the manner in which vaccines are created and > their abhorrent ingredients. Perhaps Mr. Chapman has greater insight into > this process that he would like to share. Or perhaps things are just > different in Australia. It does surprise me that (at least here in the U.S.) > the manufacturing of vaccines is not held to higher standards. You would > think we at least owe that to our precious children. For those of you who > don’t know of what it is I speak, I encourage you to do some research and see > what you might discover. You will no doubt be unpleasantly surprised. > > Some others might be wary of routine and MANDATORY vaccination policies due > to the considerable amounts of money drug companies are certain to make. > While Mr. Chapman’s naiveté regarding the power of money is charming, please > don’t insult the mentality of capitalism: for the most part, it’s make a buck > when you can, wherever you can. Morality, compassion, responsibility - these > nostalgic ideals routinely take a back seat to the almighty dollar. It’s > shameful, but oh so true. Make a few hundred million dollars, or acknowledge > that my product (vaccine) may not be safe (or truly effective for that > matter) and NOT make a few hundred million dollars…come on, you do the math. > > Still others are opposed because they have personally experienced the horror > of vaccines: they have prayed over the beds of their terribly sick children - > children who were pronounced healthy immediately before receiving a battery > of shots. Explain that one. I can’t imagine the pain associated with the > knowledge that the procedure I blindly and confidently agreed to (because my > doctor, the media, and the government have all told me that I’m doing the > responsible thing), the procedure that has been time and again applauded as > the means by which I make my child healthy, is the one that hurt him. I don’t > know what that is like. I pray that you, Mr. Chapman, never will either. > > And there may very well be others of us here in the USA who believe that > government, both federal and state, really have their fingers into our > everyday lives enough as it is, without mandating what I must do as a parent. > Forgive me, for I don’t know how things work in Australia, but here, in the > United States, the freedom to choose is, or at least used to be, sacred. > However, that freedom is diminishing - subtly - by barely noticeable margins > for most - but believe me, it’s going! Mandatory vaccination is just another > nail in the coffin. Don’t parents get to have some input regarding the health > of their children? > > Mr. Chapman, I was distressed by much of your article, but especially by your > sentiment that unvaccinated children are the cause of the spreading of > disease. My question to you would be this: if vaccines are genuinely safe and > effective, what worry would any person have of contracting a particular > disease for which they have already been vaccinated? > > That, perhaps, is the root question of much of this debate. Who would debate > vaccines if they were truly safe and truly effective? What would there be to > discuss? What we all want, I am sure, is A.) the right to be completely > informed regarding any and all risks associated with vaccines, and B.) that > if we CHOOSE to vaccinate that those vaccines are as safe as possible (i.e > not going to cause any number of side-effects nor the disease for which one > is vaccinated). And if currently there are not appropriate testings, and > studies, and evaluations of existing vaccines, and all the new ones on the > horizon, prior to our children receiving them, then, shame on those companies > that make them, and those government agencies that should be regulating them. > To a certain degree, shame on any of us who don’t inform ourselves. And shame > on any of us who badger those trying to access information and educate > themselves. > > I’ve read that some vaccine supporters are blaming the Internet for the > criticism vaccines are taking recently. Thank goodness for argument and > discussion and exchange of information - isn’t that how ideas are bettered? > I’m always a little suspicious of anything temporal to which I am to have > blind faith. I have a difficult time simply taking someone’s word for > something (especially when it comes to the well-being of my children, for > whom NO ONE cares more than do I) when I could inform myself. If vaccines are > truly safe and effective, what harm is there in digging into the available > information and finding out what’s what? Ah, but perhaps there is something > to hide. > > Joan Karp > concerned mother > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for a new hobby? Want to make a new friend? > > Come join one of over 165,000 e-mail communities at ONElist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 1999 Report Share Posted June 10, 1999 Excellent letter! If it means anything, I say send it. ---------- > From: Jefkarp@... > Vaccinationsonelist > Subject: (no subject) > Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 5:09 PM > > From: Jefkarp@... > > Below is a response to the article by Mr. Chapman that I would like to send. > I would greatly appreciate it if any of you on the list would give me your > thoughts...good, bad, indifferent. Perhaps I shouldn't send it? I thank you > for your input. > Joan > > > In response to Mr. Chapman’s article regarding vaccines, I would like to > point out that the vaccine topic is a hot one here in the United States too. > Much debate. Many criticisms. Assorted opinions. > > Some people may be anti-vaccine because they understand the human body to be > a whole (rather than merely a sum of it’s parts) and do not believe that > introducing even " weakened " toxins unnaturally is how the immune system is > intended to best function. > > Others are anti-vaccine due to the manner in which vaccines are created and > their abhorrent ingredients. Perhaps Mr. Chapman has greater insight into > this process that he would like to share. Or perhaps things are just > different in Australia. It does surprise me that (at least here in the U.S.) > the manufacturing of vaccines is not held to higher standards. You would > think we at least owe that to our precious children. For those of you who > don’t know of what it is I speak, I encourage you to do some research and see > what you might discover. You will no doubt be unpleasantly surprised. > > Some others might be wary of routine and MANDATORY vaccination policies due > to the considerable amounts of money drug companies are certain to make. > While Mr. Chapman’s naiveté regarding the power of money is charming, please > don’t insult the mentality of capitalism: for the most part, it’s make a buck > when you can, wherever you can. Morality, compassion, responsibility - these > nostalgic ideals routinely take a back seat to the almighty dollar. It’s > shameful, but oh so true. Make a few hundred million dollars, or acknowledge > that my product (vaccine) may not be safe (or truly effective for that > matter) and NOT make a few hundred million dollars…come on, you do the math. > > Still others are opposed because they have personally experienced the horror > of vaccines: they have prayed over the beds of their terribly sick children - > children who were pronounced healthy immediately before receiving a battery > of shots. Explain that one. I can’t imagine the pain associated with the > knowledge that the procedure I blindly and confidently agreed to (because my > doctor, the media, and the government have all told me that I’m doing the > responsible thing), the procedure that has been time and again applauded as > the means by which I make my child healthy, is the one that hurt him. I don’t > know what that is like. I pray that you, Mr. Chapman, never will either. > > And there may very well be others of us here in the USA who believe that > government, both federal and state, really have their fingers into our > everyday lives enough as it is, without mandating what I must do as a parent. > Forgive me, for I don’t know how things work in Australia, but here, in the > United States, the freedom to choose is, or at least used to be, sacred. > However, that freedom is diminishing - subtly - by barely noticeable margins > for most - but believe me, it’s going! Mandatory vaccination is just another > nail in the coffin. Don’t parents get to have some input regarding the health > of their children? > > Mr. Chapman, I was distressed by much of your article, but especially by your > sentiment that unvaccinated children are the cause of the spreading of > disease. My question to you would be this: if vaccines are genuinely safe and > effective, what worry would any person have of contracting a particular > disease for which they have already been vaccinated? > > That, perhaps, is the root question of much of this debate. Who would debate > vaccines if they were truly safe and truly effective? What would there be to > discuss? What we all want, I am sure, is A.) the right to be completely > informed regarding any and all risks associated with vaccines, and B.) that > if we CHOOSE to vaccinate that those vaccines are as safe as possible (i.e > not going to cause any number of side-effects nor the disease for which one > is vaccinated). And if currently there are not appropriate testings, and > studies, and evaluations of existing vaccines, and all the new ones on the > horizon, prior to our children receiving them, then, shame on those companies > that make them, and those government agencies that should be regulating them. > To a certain degree, shame on any of us who don’t inform ourselves. And shame > on any of us who badger those trying to access information and educate > themselves. > > I’ve read that some vaccine supporters are blaming the Internet for the > criticism vaccines are taking recently. Thank goodness for argument and > discussion and exchange of information - isn’t that how ideas are bettered? > I’m always a little suspicious of anything temporal to which I am to have > blind faith. I have a difficult time simply taking someone’s word for > something (especially when it comes to the well-being of my children, for > whom NO ONE cares more than do I) when I could inform myself. If vaccines are > truly safe and effective, what harm is there in digging into the available > information and finding out what’s what? Ah, but perhaps there is something > to hide. > > Joan Karp > concerned mother > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for a new hobby? Want to make a new friend? > > Come join one of over 165,000 e-mail communities at ONElist! ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 1999 Report Share Posted June 11, 1999 In a message dated 6/10/99 6:16:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jefkarp@... writes: << Are there stiff regulations regarding the use of the media to present an " Informed Choice " slant? I guess it would be ridiculous to have a commercial or something encouraging parents to inform themselves to the side-effects, dangers of vaccines...but can e-mail groups and etc. have any real impact on the average American? >> Hi, Joan. It always amazes me the pro-vaccine stance that media (print, in general) take. I think that it is very easy to take an " expert's " rationale over " simply a parent's " objections. That is why it is so important when things like the current Hep-B hearings happen - to make your voice heard and for the masses to be aware that there are " experts " who are questioning vaccines. Even in the Hep-B hearings case, the articles I read in the papers during the hearings were all still pro-vaccine slanted, giving the impression that it was going very well for the pro-vaccine side. It was only after people who were at the hearings (people who are anti-vaccine) began sending reports to the various online sites that I heard the " other side " of how it was going. I think, too, that well-written, well-documented letters sent consistently to forums like 20/20 or Dateline, requesting research into this subject could lead to an investigative report. (Personally, I have written to 20/20 requesting a thorough piece investigating fluoride, and provided various websites for them to review. Never got a response, though.) We all know that, once held in one place and put the hard questions, there are no plausible, satisfactory answers from our experts. It's just getting them in that place with mass attention to it! Cathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 1999 Report Share Posted June 16, 1999 Dear List Members, Perhaps I made a mistake in trying to discuss opposing viewpoints with . I plan to respond....but do any of you have anything in particular you might want to say? I plan on being polite, unemotional, and factual.....people get totally turned off otherwise.Thanks, Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 1999 Report Share Posted June 17, 1999 Joan... I would look at the NVIC site... they have TONS of factual data on hep b and other diseases. http://www.909shot.com/ Also you might try discussing the fact that not supporting vaccines has some to do with questioning their EFFECTIVENESS and LOTS to do with how they are made, what - besides the actual weakened virus (and how they weaken that virus) is in the vaccines; mercury, aluminum, formeldahyde, foreign animal DNA. That to question vaccines means to question the whole politics behind them - lack of unbiased testing from the manufactures, government/pharmaceutical/doctor ties that are fairly incestuous. Just because she was vaccinated and everyone she knows was and is fine doesn't discount the 11,000-12,000 reports each year (reflecting only about 10% of all cases) of children having significant adverse reactions and death. Throw some facts at her and let her know that if she completely trusts her doctors (who are, I'm sure relatively uneducated besides what the AMA threw at them in a 2 hour class or something), her government, big corporate America, that she is very uninformed... not to mention very niave. Sherri Jefkarp@... wrote: > Dear List Members, > Perhaps I made a mistake in trying to discuss opposing viewpoints with > . I plan to respond....but do any of you have anything in particular > you might want to say? > I plan on being polite, unemotional, and factual.....people get totally > turned off otherwise.Thanks, > Joan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: (no subject) > Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:49:07 -0400 > From: " Jeff, Jen, & St. Clair " <jjsaint@...> > <Jefkarp@...> > > Joan, > > I have been told this same information by my family doctor, my son's > pediatrician, and my husband's doctor. Do you not realize that the only > reason these illnesses are unheard of now is because we are receiving > immunizations? If we stopped taking these shots, these illnesses and > diseases would be back in a heartbeat. Can you show me where you know for > sure that if everyone stopped getting shots that these diseases would come > back into existence? I would like to hear your answer on that one. If your > children are not receiving their immunizations, they are safe only because > the majority of us are. Do you have proof supporting that this is not true? > Do you realize the effects of these diseases? If your unprotected child > fell victim to one of these diseases, they would be brain-dead and crippled > for life if they are lucky enough to survive. I questioned many physicians > on this issue. They have the same basic answer which I totally agree with: > " There are extremists concerning every debatable subject in the world. " I > just cannot justify not offering my child immunizations. I had them and I > am fine. As a matter of fact, every single person that I know is fine. To > add to this, I am an adult and just recently completed my series of Hep. B > shots. I do not feel safe without it. This disease is growing by the > second. It is false that the only way you can contact this disease it > through sex or whatever. My sister is works for an orthodontist and is > required by law to have Hep. B immunizations. You can get it by working in > people's mouths! > > Sincerely, > > > (no subject) > > > " Do people who are against immunizations realize that in the majority of > >the cases that actually getting the disease > >or illness which can be fatal is more common > >than if the immunization was given? " > > > > , > >Could you please refer me to the literature in which you found this info.? > I > >would be interested. > >I was under the impression, according to the Center for Disease Control, > that > >there have been no cases of wild polio, for example, in the past decade or > >so...the only cases have been from the vaccine. > >Also - and I could forward you some stuff if you'd like, but there are more > >cases of adverse reactions to HepB vaccinations than actual cases reported. > >Thanks > >Joan, a concerned mother > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 1999 Report Share Posted June 17, 1999 In a message dated 6/16/1999 4:18:00 PM Central Daylight Time, Jefkarp@... writes: << ...but do any of you have anything in particular you might want to say? >> I think the most important would be to point out that the majority of these diseases we vaccinate for were in acute decline long before the vaccines were introduced. Mothering magazine did an article a handful of years ago that illustrated this with graphs. Let me tell you - its quite remarkable to see. Bright Blessings Jana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 1999 Report Share Posted June 17, 1999 Joan, What is going on with this? I would like to help you out if I can altho' I am not nearly as eloquent and well-versed as most on this list.... Sue Jefkarp@... wrote: > Dear List Members, > Perhaps I made a mistake in trying to discuss opposing viewpoints with > . I plan to respond....but do any of you have anything in particular > you might want to say? > I plan on being polite, unemotional, and factual.....people get totally > turned off otherwise.Thanks, > Joan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: (no subject) > Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:49:07 -0400 > From: " Jeff, Jen, & St. Clair " <jjsaint@...> > <Jefkarp@...> > > Joan, > > I have been told this same information by my family doctor, my son's > pediatrician, and my husband's doctor. Do you not realize that the only > reason these illnesses are unheard of now is because we are receiving > immunizations? If we stopped taking these shots, these illnesses and > diseases would be back in a heartbeat. Can you show me where you know for > sure that if everyone stopped getting shots that these diseases would come > back into existence? I would like to hear your answer on that one. If your > children are not receiving their immunizations, they are safe only because > the majority of us are. Do you have proof supporting that this is not true? > Do you realize the effects of these diseases? If your unprotected child > fell victim to one of these diseases, they would be brain-dead and crippled > for life if they are lucky enough to survive. I questioned many physicians > on this issue. They have the same basic answer which I totally agree with: > " There are extremists concerning every debatable subject in the world. " I > just cannot justify not offering my child immunizations. I had them and I > am fine. As a matter of fact, every single person that I know is fine. To > add to this, I am an adult and just recently completed my series of Hep. B > shots. I do not feel safe without it. This disease is growing by the > second. It is false that the only way you can contact this disease it > through sex or whatever. My sister is works for an orthodontist and is > required by law to have Hep. B immunizations. You can get it by working in > people's mouths! > > Sincerely, > > > (no subject) > > > " Do people who are against immunizations realize that in the majority of > >the cases that actually getting the disease > >or illness which can be fatal is more common > >than if the immunization was given? " > > > > , > >Could you please refer me to the literature in which you found this info.? > I > >would be interested. > >I was under the impression, according to the Center for Disease Control, > that > >there have been no cases of wild polio, for example, in the past decade or > >so...the only cases have been from the vaccine. > >Also - and I could forward you some stuff if you'd like, but there are more > >cases of adverse reactions to HepB vaccinations than actual cases reported. > >Thanks > >Joan, a concerned mother > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 1999 Report Share Posted June 17, 1999 In a message dated 6/17/99 8:50:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lisa@... writes: << the oral polio vaccine is suppose to be gone by Dec. 2000. >> Gone - as in, obsolete? No more will be made, or the industry is switching strictly to injected? Thanks for the info. I appreciate it! Love, Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 1999 Report Share Posted June 17, 1999 Joan, the oral polio vaccine is suppose to be gone by Dec. 2000. This is the vaccine that stays in the intenstinal tracks for up to 8 weeks and is in the feces. in Ct Jefkarp@... wrote: > > From: Jefkarp@... > > I guess my earlier message has a little to do with my still being concerned > with public swimming pools and the oral polio vaccine. My midwife warned > against public pools, as one can never be sure that they are as clean as they > should be. But even if they were as clean as they should be, there would > still be cause for concern, because doesn't it take something like 6 weeks to > " shed " in urine and feces? Please advise. I swam competitively in high school > and college and it's a little disheartening that my daughter might not be > able to do that (although, since we're planning on homeschooling, looks like > we'll just have to put a big pool in our back yard!!!!). > Love and thanks, > Joan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Who is the most visited e-mail list community Web Service? > > ONElist.com - where more than 20 million e-mails are exchanged each day! -- @... *************************************************************** We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice *************************************************************** Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you implement that decision is yours and yours alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 1999 Report Share Posted June 17, 1999 I think gone as in obsolete...but then again? it is the gov't.....I am sure someone will keep some of it somewhere but it is not suppose to be available for regular use. Jefkarp@... wrote: > > From: Jefkarp@... > > In a message dated 6/17/99 8:50:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lisa@... > writes: > > << the oral polio vaccine is suppose to be gone by Dec. 2000. >> > Gone - as in, obsolete? No more will be made, or the industry is switching > strictly to injected? > Thanks for the info. I appreciate it! > Love, Joan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Got an opinion? > > Make it count! Sign up for the ONElist Weekly Survey now. -- @... *************************************************************** We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice *************************************************************** Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you implement that decision is yours and yours alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 1999 Report Share Posted June 25, 1999 Does anyone know what website address the Natural Immunity Information Network is at now? They used to be at www.i-wayco.com/niin but not anymore. They were a great source of info on so many things, like claiming a relgious exemption, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 1999 Report Share Posted June 29, 1999 CHECK OUT HOMEOPATHICS. (no subject) Good morning all! I just heard on ABC news that a military official stated that the anthrax vaccine does have dangerous side effects anyone have details on this???? Also, my mother called in a rabied looking animal to the authorities the other day, just wondering what to do in case of a bite and the rabies shots after.?????? I can't help but think what if as I do with any other injury I am prepared but I wonder about this one. Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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