Re: OT: FORMULA VS. MILK QUESTION

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Check out this site,

http://www.nomilk.com

My

>question is: is there a valid reason for only giving formula until 1 year

>and nothing else?

Babies get most their nutrition from breastmilk/formula for first year.

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In a message dated 4/8/2000 10:24:18 PM Central Daylight Time,

nojabs4us@... writes:

<< Formula doesn't seem to satisfy him anymore, and he drinks

so much of it it's breaking the bank! Is there a legitimate reason for no

milk until 1, or is it just the formula manufacturer's making money? >>

Well, my question is, at 6.5 mos when he weaned himself did he go to formula?

At that age, he was probably ready to start " solids " (a liquified version,

anyway). Formula does a lot of stuff to babies, besides filling them up with

not a lot of valid nutrition. Try some alternatives to milk if you're

worried about calcium. Our doctor says he pulls EVERYONE off formula by 1

year. It isn't good for their health. Even most bfdg moms are at least

letting their kids " play " with solids at 1 year. My son started grabbing

food off his dad's plate at 4 mos., compared to my daughter who wasn't even

curious until about 9mos. What I did was take the vegetables from our

dinners, blend/liquify them, then pour them into ice cube trays. When it was

time for a meal, I'd pop a cube out (or 2 or 3) and heat it up. Some stuff

they flat out refused (Wyatt had an intolerance for green beans and peas),

but others they had several servings. Of course, their tastes changed as

much as their diapers. And our ND's recommendation was to start with the

bland stuff, NOT the sweet stuff (like carrots). There is also reactions to

consider, such as broccoli makes a lot of gas, etc. The Nomilk site was a

good recommendation. You'll be amazed at some of the info.

Carol

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HI Teri,

Why not start giving him food? Milk is not a great product for kids at any

age... but then neither is formula in my opinion. See if he will eat

bananas, avocados, peas, real whole foods... it isn't too early to start

them if that is what he wants.

Hope this helps,

Sherri-Lee

OT: FORMULA VS. MILK QUESTION

> My son is 10 months old, very healthy with only 1 bout of croup and

2

> mild colds in his young life. He is 24 pounds and a VERY good eater. My

> question is: is there a valid reason for only giving formula until 1 year

> and nothing else? He bf until 6.5 months when he weaned himself (much to

my

> disappointment!). Formula doesn't seem to satisfy him anymore, and he

drinks

> so much of it it's breaking the bank! Is there a legitimate reason for no

> milk until 1, or is it just the formula manufacturer's making money? I

> thought people on this group would be able to give me 'healthy' insight to

> this issue. Also, once he turns 1, do we stop formula and just switch to

> milk, or do we introduce it gradually? There seems to be no info on this

> topic (switching) that I've found.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Teri

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Don't ever give milk. It is perfectly formulated to grow a 20lb calf into a

2000

lb cow not an 8 lb human into a 180 lb one. There is a whole lot more to it

than

that but milk causes too many problems in ALL children, even if you may not

notice at first. Best wishes, Ken

nojabs4us@... wrote:

> My son is 10 months old, very healthy with only 1 bout of croup and 2

> mild colds in his young life. He is 24 pounds and a VERY good eater. My

> question is: is there a valid reason for only giving formula until 1 year

> and nothing else? He bf until 6.5 months when he weaned himself (much to my

> disappointment!). Formula doesn't seem to satisfy him anymore, and he drinks

> so much of it it's breaking the bank! Is there a legitimate reason for no

> milk until 1, or is it just the formula manufacturer's making money? I

> thought people on this group would be able to give me 'healthy' insight to

> this issue. Also, once he turns 1, do we stop formula and just switch to

> milk, or do we introduce it gradually? There seems to be no info on this

> topic (switching) that I've found.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Teri

>

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I would stay away from cow's milk if you can. Why not try a soy milk or

rice milk? There is no need to give cow's milk, my kids have never had it.

We get our calcium from other sources and a good multi-vitamin.

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OT: FORMULA VS. MILK QUESTION

My son is 10 months old, very healthy with only 1 bout of croup and 2

mild colds in his young life. He is 24 pounds and a VERY good eater. My

question is: is there a valid reason for only giving formula until 1 year

and nothing else? He bf until 6.5 months when he weaned himself (much to my

disappointment!). Formula doesn't seem to satisfy him anymore, and he

drinks

so much of it it's breaking the bank! Is there a legitimate reason for no

milk until 1, or is it just the formula manufacturer's making money? I

thought people on this group would be able to give me 'healthy' insight to

this issue. Also, once he turns 1, do we stop formula and just switch to

milk, or do we introduce it gradually? There seems to be no info on this

topic (switching) that I've found.

Thanks!

Teri

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Teri,

Post your question over in the Breastfeeding section of http://www.drpaula.com so that the lactation consultants can give you the information that you need. I have found all three of the LCs that answer questions there to be very knowledgeable and helpful.

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-----Original Message-----From: nojabs4us@... [mailto:nojabs4us@...]Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 8:23 PMvaccinationsegroupsSubject: OT: FORMULA VS. MILK QUESTION My son is 10 months old, very healthy with only 1 bout of croup and 2 mild colds in his young life. He is 24 pounds and a VERY good eater. My question is: is there a valid reason for only giving formula until 1 year and nothing else? He bf until 6.5 months when he weaned himself (much to my disappointment!). Formula doesn't seem to satisfy him anymore, and he drinks so much of it it's breaking the bank! Is there a legitimate reason for no milk until 1, or is it just the formula manufacturer's making money? I thought people on this group would be able to give me 'healthy' insight to this issue. Also, once he turns 1, do we stop formula and just switch to milk, or do we introduce it gradually? There seems to be no info on this topic (switching) that I've found.Thanks!Teri

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jeannie,

actually my first son also decided to wean himself much to my disappointment,

at about 8 1/2 months. i never " introduced " formula to him, it was just that

he no longer would sit in my lap and face me for long enough to nurse--too

long and too boring for him--way too much else interesting going on out there

for him. but what i did, which is probably too late for you now, terri, is i

pumped milk and put it into bottles so that he could still get the benefits

of my breastmilk and also be able to be mobile with a bottle--best of both

worlds to him.

but i do agree--no cows milk yet--too early. just try to increase the

variety of foods he can eat and snack on during the day and also offer him a

variety of fruit and maybe veg. juices. good luck!! )

brigit

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In a message dated 4/8/00 9:30:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

cpeter8743@... writes:

<< Well, my question is, at 6.5 mos when he weaned himself did he go to

formula? >>

He did go to formula, but he has been on solids since 3.5 months, and has not

turned his nose at ANYTHING! He eats finger foods now, and eats about 24 oz.

of baby food each day (across 3 meals), plus cereal, plus 1 - 2 bottles of

juice plus 24 - 36 ounces of formula. The one thing he doesn't particularly

care for is water. I'm thinking maybe the baby food is what isn't satisfying

him anymore, and that maybe he needs more table foods now (he loves to chew

things). Or, maybe his formula intake isn't unusual? If your dr. takes

babies off formula at 1 year, what do they switch to for those bottles?

Teri

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..>>> He is 24 pounds and a VERY good eater. My

question is: is there a valid reason for only giving formula until 1 year

and nothing else? He bf until 6.5 months when he weaned himself (much to my

disappointment!). Formula doesn't seem to satisfy him anymore, and he

drinks >>>>

Terri,

Do you feed him solids? A breastfed baby can go well over a year before

starting solids, but not a formula fed baby. Formula just doesn't have the

nutrients that breastmilk has so will not sustain a baby past about 6

months. If solids have been introduced and he's still not satisfied then

you should really consider increasing his meals. Feed him solids and then

give him his formula. You can and should offer 'real' food (not rice cereal

or other instant foods) several times a day in small portions.

Although cows milk may seem a good replacement it's not, the proteins are

much too big for human babies and the nutrients just aren't they type needed

to grow a human baby. Although I've seen babies survive on milk (and

worse) I wonder what it's doing to their intestinal track. Formula (made

from cow milk) actually causes a baby's intestine's to bleed so the whole

milk couldn't be any good at all. If you must take him off of formula and

feel the need to provide some sort of milk then your best bet would be goats

milk and a diet of solid, whole foods that replace the nutrients that the

formula provide.

This is moot at this point but I'm curious at to how your baby managed to

wean himself from breastmilk onto formula? It wouldn't normally happen if

the formula wasn't offered. Just curious.

Jeannie

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In a message dated 4/8/00 10:37:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, slp@...

writes:

<< Why not start giving him food? Milk is not a great product for kids at any

age... but then neither is formula in my opinion. See if he will eat

bananas, avocados, peas, real whole foods... it isn't too early to start

them if that is what he wants. >>

He does eat...about 24 oz of food per day, plus cereal, plus 4 - 8 oz of

juice plus 24 to 36 ounces of formula!! He's a healthy eater!

Teri

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In a message dated 4/8/00 10:49:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Mom2Q@...

writes:

<< Why not try a soy milk or

rice milk? >>

Good idea! Thanks! What about goat milk?

Teri

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In a message dated 4/8/00 11:00:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

juliam@... writes:

<< Post your question over in the Breastfeeding section of

http://www.drpaula.com so that the lactation consultants can give you the

information that you need. >>

Thanks, I'll try that!

Teri

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In a message dated 4/9/00 6:30:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, nojabs4us@...

writes:

<<

Good idea! Thanks! What about goat milk? >>

I have read that it is less reactive for some children than cows milk,but

I don't know as I avoid it as well as cow milk.I use soy/almond/rice/oats

milks.Sometimes I add a bit of flaxseed oil for the extra fats she needs.The

Sears book Family Nutrition is quite good,and touches on the subject of

milk.If you do give cow milk ofcourse only organic.

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In a message dated 4/9/00 2:25:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

spidergirl@... writes:

<< This is moot at this point but I'm curious at to how your baby managed to

wean himself from breastmilk onto formula? It wouldn't normally happen if

the formula wasn't offered. Just curious.

>>

I unfortunately had to return to work at 3 months, so was pumping during the

day and nursing at night. At around 5.5 months, I could not pump even 1

ounce at a time (I tried all the methods to increase milk, etc. to no avail.)

So we had to suplement with formula during the day while I was gone, which

made me feel like a dismal failure! I never wanted him to even TASTE

formula. Well, he's a VERY independent baby, and at 6.5 months realized that

the bottle gave him a lot more independence than the breast and refused me

one day and would never accept me again. Very disheartening, as I was

quitting my job in another month and a half and was planning on going back to

full bf (plus the solids he was already eating). He just wouldn't wait long

enough. Hopefully I'll be able to bf the next one for at least one year,

since I won't be working!

Teri

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In a message dated 4/9/2000 8:22:00 PM Central Daylight Time,

nojabs4us@... writes:

<< Or, maybe his formula intake isn't unusual? If your dr. takes

babies off formula at 1 year, what do they switch to for those bottles? >>

We didn't have a big discussion on it, so I'm not sure exactly. You see, I'm

still bfdg my son and he'll be 3 in August. He started " baby " foods at 4

mos. By that I mean, like what I explained. I started him on vegetables. I

blended what we ate with no additives. And froze it in ice cube trays. As

he started needing more, I made it more and more chunky, until he was eating

regular foods. Oh, Dr. did say that the reason he takes babies off formula

is that in order to satisfy their nutritional and calorie intakes, they have

to eat a ton of the stuff which is not good. I have a pretty big boy, so he

needed a lot of calories. Problem with formula is that some of the weight is

not " meat " . It's water retention and toxin storage. I would guess at your

son's age he can eat things unblended. This is the part I didn't like.

Everything had to be cut up in little itty-bitty pieces. He ate while I cut.

By the time everyone was done, I hadn't even eaten yet... You'd think I'd

have lost some weight! It didn't last long for me, he started feeding

himself (if you can call it that -- I thought perhaps we should just roll his

chair over to the frig and tip it his way 3x a day). We had to put in a chew

rule - 30x each bite. It was exhausting.

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At 09:33 PM 04/09/2000 EDT, you wrote:

>In a message dated 4/9/00 6:30:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, nojabs4us@...

>writes:

>

><<

>

> Good idea! Thanks! What about goat milk? >>

> I have read that it is less reactive for some children than cows

milk,but

>I don't know as I avoid it as well as cow milk.I use soy/almond/rice/oats

>milks.Sometimes I add a bit of flaxseed oil for the extra fats she needs.The

>Sears book Family Nutrition is quite good,and touches on the subject of

>milk.If you do give cow milk ofcourse only organic.

I'm sure you give ORGANIC flaxseed oil - but just thought I'd check. The

other is pretty contaminated from what I hear.

Sheri

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>>>>. Well, he's a VERY independent baby, and at 6.5 months realized that

the bottle gave him a lot more independence than the breast and refused me

one day and would never accept me again.>>>>>>

Ahhh.. I see. My first son gave me up for a nasty old rubber pacifier when

he was a year old. Before that he was only nursing maybe twice in a 24 hour

period. Like your son, he was just too busy to nurse much but he did just

before naps and during the night. Really though, I weaned him because I

stopped offering him the breast before his naps and started encouraging him

to sleep all night. It is a sad thing when your baby stops nursing. My

second son nursed until I was about 6 months pregnant and then he just

stopped. I was so looking forward to tandem nursing but my milk pretty much

dried up with pregnancy. I tried to get him to nurse after the baby was

born but he didn't have any idea what to do with my breast. He'd forgotten.

It was sad. As my MIL says.. " they have to grow up sometime " . Yep, makes

me want to slap her! LOL!

Jeannie