Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 >Hi, > I don't post often but I need understanding people when I am feeling down. >Savannah is 4. I feel lost because I don't feel as if I am doing >everything I can. >My major concern is why won't she talk. she doesn't point or wave. >she does make >sounds and laughs. she will push something away if she doesn't want >it. she has >never babbled like da da or ma ma. so this brings me to the idea >that she must have >mental retardation because it is not just speech but communication >as a whole. Savannah >cp is so different than any I've ever seen or heard of she was never >stiff she has >always been low tone. her MRI showed nothing. I am trying to get >HBOT- what Dr gives >the prescription? I am just emotional today. > > > > > >Mom to 5 - savannah 4, CP, micro, DD >www.savannahssteps.com Savannah's Mom, Have you asked Savannah's pediatrician for a prescription? If she has a pediatric neurologist, have you asked the neurologist for a prescription? -- Freels 2948 Windfield Circle Tucker, GA 30084-6714 770-491-6776 (phone) 720-234-5757 (fax) mailto:dfreels@... http://www.freelanceforum.org/df Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 Have you had her hearing checked? Just a thought...Hang in there. loveofmylife020201 wrote: >Hi, > I don't post often but I need understanding people when I am feeling down. >Savannah is 4. I feel lost because I don't feel as if I am doing everything I can. My major concern is why won't she talk. she doesn't point or wave. she does make sounds and laughs. she will push something away if she doesn't want it. she has never babbled like da da or ma ma. so this brings me to the idea that she must have mental retardation because it is not just speech but communication as a whole. Savannah cp is so different than any I've ever seen or heard of she was never stiff she has always been low tone. her MRI showed nothing. I am trying to get HBOT- what Dr gives the prescription? I am just emotional today. > > > > > >Mom to 5 - savannah 4, CP, micro, DD >www.savannahssteps.com > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.1 - Release Date: 4/20/05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Usually your regular doctor will give you one, but not all Doctors know about HBOT nor are willing to give a scrip for treatments. Where do you live and where are you seeking HBOT maybe I can forward a referral? Re: [ ] issues Have you had her hearing checked? Just a thought...Hang in there. loveofmylife020201 wrote: >Hi, > I don't post often but I need understanding people when I am feeling down. >Savannah is 4. I feel lost because I don't feel as if I am doing everything I can. My major concern is why won't she talk. she doesn't point or wave. she does make sounds and laughs. she will push something away if she doesn't want it. she has never babbled like da da or ma ma. so this brings me to the idea that she must have mental retardation because it is not just speech but communication as a whole. Savannah cp is so different than any I've ever seen or heard of she was never stiff she has always been low tone. her MRI showed nothing. I am trying to get HBOT- what Dr gives the prescription? I am just emotional today. > > > > > >Mom to 5 - savannah 4, CP, micro, DD >www.savannahssteps.com > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.1 - Release Date: 4/20/05 " For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. " [ 2:26] _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._. Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy medicaid/files/ , 2/files/ and http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm Download your state EPSDT program http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm, http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm, http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches. Subscribe to by sending a blank email to mailto:medicaid-subscribe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Hi all, I have rejoined the list last month just to read and catch up but since then, just this week, the person I met not long ago and really like has told me he cannot ever be really close to me because of our major differences. He lists these as hunting! meat eating! my attitude to vaccines, modern medicine and pharmaceutical drugs! As I am vegan and use herbs and other natural therapies you can see where I am coming from. To make things worse he has degrees/qualifications, although a long time ago, in various mainstream health subjects and he used to be a surgical nurse many years ago and he also has some qualifications in immunology and physiology. He considers pharmaceutical drugs to be progress in medicine and has stocks of the some anti bird flu drug in his fridge and says he will be first in line for the vaccination for it. Do you think I should just give up? He says he cannot take seriously anything I say as I am not qualified! ( At this point I can hear you asking -what the hell does she see in him!). He believes qualifications equals knowledge. OK I am beginning to wonder too now Just thought I would throw this at you all for any comments, Hugs and best regards, Persian. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Hey Persian, Trust me when I say unless one of you change some it will never work. It is one thing if a person respects your beliefs but does not want to change.. It is another when they do not respect at all. There is someone else out there for you who is better ... May not have your beliefs but will respect them.. as you will theirs. SuziLillsie <lillsiecat@...> wrote: Hi all,I have rejoined the list last month just to read and catch up but since then, just this week, theperson I met not long ago and really like has told me he cannot everbe really close to me because of our major differences.He lists these as hunting! meat eating! my attitudeto vaccines, modern medicine and pharmaceutical drugs!As I am vegan and use herbs and other natural therapiesyou can see where I am coming from. To make things worsehe has degrees/qualifications, although a long time ago, invarious mainstream health subjects and he used to be a surgical nursemany years ago and he also has some qualifications inimmunology and physiology. He considers pharmaceutical drugsto be progress in medicine and has stocks of the some anti birdflu drug in his fridge and says he will be first in line for thevaccination for it.Do you think I should just give up? He says he cannot take seriouslyanything I say as I am not qualified! ( At this point I can hear you asking-what the hell does she see in him!). He believes qualifications equalsknowledge. OK I am beginning to wonder too now :)Just thought I would throw this at you all for any comments,Hugs and best regards, Persian. Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 He lists these as hunting! meat eating! my attitude to vaccines, modern medicine and pharmaceutical drugs! I personally couldn't be involved with someone who hunted and had such a totally different stand on issues than I do. I am a vegan and this is a big part of my value system. In fact I once "almost" had a date with a guy who felt much the same as your friend. When he learned more about me, HE was the one who said it could never work because our outlook on life and value were in opposition. I had to agree with him and we didn't pursue the relationship. This would cause major problems down the road...and not far down the road. I can disagree with someone and agree to disagree, but when it comes to my value system, I can't compromise in a partnership relationship. As just a friend..that's fine. But as a partner...nope. Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 There is someone else out there for you who is better ... May not have your beliefs but will respect them.. as you will theirs. I agree. This person has already stated upfront that he doesn't value your beliefs and that's a red flag right there. Don't pursue a relationship with this person out of a belief in scarcity. Find someone who you respect and are compatible with and they respect and honor you. And that other person IS out there waiting to meet you. Just believe it. Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Hey Persian, great to hear from you again. I know it's hard with different beleif systems. Believe me, I know! But if you are not pushing yours on him, and if he is not pushing his on you, that would be a good thing. Opposites can exist together, as long as there is respect for the other as an individual. I live my life, the way I feel our Creator is intending me at this place on my Path. If others join me on my path, even for a short walk, I cherish their company. If they desire to continue on this path, then I encourage them as best I can. If they decide a different path is better for them, then I respect them and encourage them with all that I have in me. We can only live our own lives for ourselves. We cannot live another's life for them. Jeeze, where do I come up with this stuff???? And it's only 4:00 am. Anyway, I pray that you will find a balance in this situation, one that you are content with. As always..... Peace, love, laughter And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh. > > Hi all, > > I have rejoined the list last month just to read and catch up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 i had a boyfriend (a pompous a$$) at one time like this. he was always putting me down for my lack, and when i spoke to my therapist of this, he replied... " there is a difference between education and intelligence...he is educated and u are intelligent! " he was an excellent...and when someone asked what his credentials were, he replied, " i know how to do it. " imo, credentials prove nothing. so, if he leaves, u've been spared. diana --- In health , Lillsie <lillsiecat@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have rejoined the list last month just to read and catch up but since > then, just this week, the > person I met not long ago and really like has told me he cannot ever > be really close to me because of our major differences. > He lists these as hunting! meat eating! my attitude > to vaccines, modern medicine and pharmaceutical drugs! > As I am vegan and use herbs and other natural therapies > you can see where I am coming from. To make things worse > he has degrees/qualifications, although a long time ago, in > various mainstream health subjects and he used to be a surgical nurse > many years ago and he also has some qualifications in > immunology and physiology. He considers pharmaceutical drugs > to be progress in medicine and has stocks of the some anti bird > flu drug in his fridge and says he will be first in line for the > vaccination for it. > Do you think I should just give up? He says he cannot take seriously > anything I say as I am not qualified! ( At this point I can hear you asking > -what the hell does she see in him!). He believes qualifications equals > knowledge. OK I am beginning to wonder too now > Just thought I would throw this at you all for any comments, > Hugs and best regards, Persian. > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Of course no one has dared say the "a" word - abuse. What he is doing is mental and emotional abuse. Take it from an experienced person! Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Persian, Suzi is right. Regardless of his education or beliefs, he should be able to respect a friend much less a partner in hers. If he feels he knows so much more than you perhaps he would be willing teach you what he knows and in return you could teach him? He sounds egotistical and immature to me. No one should consider themselves a “know it all” in medicine or in life, there is just too much to learn. You tell him I said when he gets a degree in human relations perhaps he could graduate from the 3rd Grade and actually qualify as your significant other J Janet From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Suzanne Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:52 PM health Subject: Re: Re: Issues Hey Persian, Trust me when I say unless one of you change some it will never work. It is one thing if a person respects your beliefs but does not want to change.. It is another when they do not respect at all. There is someone else out there for you who is better ... May not have your beliefs but will respect them.. as you will theirs. Suzi Lillsie <lillsiecat (DOT) co.nz> wrote: Hi all, I have rejoined the list last month just to read and catch up but since then, just this week, the person I met not long ago and really like has told me he cannot ever be really close to me because of our major differences. He lists these as hunting! meat eating! my attitude to vaccines, modern medicine and pharmaceutical drugs! As I am vegan and use herbs and other natural therapies you can see where I am coming from. To make things worse he has degrees/qualifications, although a long time ago, in various mainstream health subjects and he used to be a surgical nurse many years ago and he also has some qualifications in immunology and physiology. He considers pharmaceutical drugs to be progress in medicine and has stocks of the some anti bird flu drug in his fridge and says he will be first in line for the vaccination for it. Do you think I should just give up? He says he cannot take seriously anything I say as I am not qualified! ( At this point I can hear you asking -what the hell does she see in him!). He believes qualifications equals knowledge. OK I am beginning to wonder too now Just thought I would throw this at you all for any comments, Hugs and best regards, Persian. Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Alyce, You make some valid points, but.....since Candyce is young, she needs guidance from an adult, and particularly a parent. Is she even aware that counseling might be available, that it could be provided by your funding (assuming it could) or from a source that wouldn't cost? Yes, it is a sensitive subject....but the band won't be successful unless it is addressed and there is a resulting behavior change. dan " Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. " -- Will www.mylapband.tk or www.riverofdata.com Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/27/03 355/323/210/190 Issues >Thanks Lidia, I am careful with Candyce not to point out that she has issues and >needs counseling, because we all have our issues, and handle it in different ways. >It is a sensitive subject and we have to guide and direct the best we can without >causing more problems. My hope is as she matures she will look inside herself and >learn the root of overeating. I overeat sugar to fill a void, but I had to come upon >that on my own. Our family chose the lapband with Candyce because we saw her >heading down a destructive path and seeing the joy she has now, even though it is >just the beginning it makes it all worth it. But she has to choose a healthy lifestyle in >order to make it successful, and she knows it also. I have seen so much >improvement with her choices, although we all fall short at times. Alyce > >___________________________________________________________________ >_________________ >Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. >Ask your question on www.Answers. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Options have been given to her and she does not want counseling. She is mature for her age, makes good choices, even though her friends drink, etc, has strong faith, good grades. I would like her to join this support group some day, I think she would learn so much. She will be 18 soon and will be making her own choices, maybe she will go some day. I have been talked a lot on this board about counseling and I understand why, so are you all getting counseling. Or is it because Candyce is 17 that this keeps coming up? Alyce Issues >Thanks Lidia, I am careful with Candyce not to point out that she has issues and >needs counseling, because we all have our issues, and handle it in different ways. >It is a sensitive subject and we have to guide and direct the best we can without >causing more problems. My hope is as she matures she will look inside herself and >learn the root of overeating. I overeat sugar to fill a void, but I had to come upon >that on my own. Our family chose the lapband with Candyce because we saw her >heading down a destructive path and seeing the joy she has now, even though it is >just the beginning it makes it all worth it. But she has to choose a healthy lifestyle in >order to make it successful, and she knows it also. I have seen so much >improvement with her choices, although we all fall short at times. Alyce > >___________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ >___________ ______ >Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. >Ask your question on www.Answers. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Alyce, I believe that every one of us has eating issues, or we would not have eaten to the point of so harming our health with overeating - to the point of morbid-obesity. My therapist has been invaluable, and I feel is a large reason why i have done fairly well. I recommend therapy for everyone, to the point where some surely are sick of reading it! :-) It's not Candyce's age at all - we are SO happy that she has a chance to totally turn her life around, before it is wrecked by obesity. I bet ALL of us would give anything to have been banded at her age, and prevent all the misery, disability and illness, hurt, and mental anguish that we all all seen and suffered as obese people. We just want her to get every possible benefit from banding and a chance at a better life! Sandy R > > Options have been given to her and she does not want counseling. She is mature for her age, makes good choices, even though her friends drink, etc, has strong faith, good grades. I would like her to join this support group some day, I think she would learn so much. She will be 18 soon and will be making her own choices, maybe she will go some day. I have been talked a lot on this board about counseling and I understand why, so are you all getting counseling. Or is it because Candyce is 17 that this keeps coming up? Alyce > > > Issues > > >Thanks Lidia, I am careful with Candyce not to point out that she has issues and > >needs counseling, because we all have our issues, and handle it in different ways. > >It is a sensitive subject and we have to guide and direct the best we can without > >causing more problems. My hope is as she matures she will look inside herself and > >learn the root of overeating. I overeat sugar to fill a void, but I had to come upon > >that on my own. Our family chose the lapband with Candyce because we saw her > >heading down a destructive path and seeing the joy she has now, even though it is > >just the beginning it makes it all worth it. But she has to choose a healthy lifestyle in > >order to make it successful, and she knows it also. I have seen so much > >improvement with her choices, although we all fall short at times. Alyce > > > > >___________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > >___________ ______ > >Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. > >Ask your question on www.Answers. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Alyce, I only wish that there were a decent therapist in our area. Someone who would be able to help with all the " issues. " I have asked the doctor and support group leader many times if they've ever heard of anyone who has been helping with this. The answer is always no, yet they themselves agree that we really are in need. If a good therapist came on the scene here, I can assure you they'd be swamped. I especially see a lot of need with those who chose the bypass. As far as Candyce being young, this is the perfect time to resolve the few issues she may have. I wish it were available for my son when he was banded and now for my soon to be 13 yr old daughter who is already considering it. I don't know that they'd be very agreeable to doing it, but I would definitely encourage or attend with them. I think it may be a bit of an embarrasing subject with teens, and even for us sometimes. Remember, this is your business and no one has to know about it. I know I can sound like a broken record in this area, but the personal decisions we make in life really effect us and our families, not anyone else. It only makes for a better understanding as to why we do the things we do. Happy for her success thus far. You are doing a great job as her mom. Carol > > > > Options have been given to her and she does not want counseling. > She is mature for her age, makes good choices, even though her > friends drink, etc, has strong faith, good grades. I would like her > to join this support group some day, I think she would learn so > much. She will be 18 soon and will be making her own choices, maybe > she will go some day. I have been talked a lot on this board about > counseling and I understand why, so are you all getting counseling. > Or is it because Candyce is 17 that this keeps coming up? Alyce > > > > > > Issues > > > > >Thanks Lidia, I am careful with Candyce not to point out that she > has issues and > > >needs counseling, because we all have our issues, and handle it in > different ways. > > >It is a sensitive subject and we have to guide and direct the best > we can without > > >causing more problems. My hope is as she matures she will look > inside herself and > > >learn the root of overeating. I overeat sugar to fill a void, but > I had to come upon > > >that on my own. Our family chose the lapband with Candyce because > we saw her > > >heading down a destructive path and seeing the joy she has now, > even though it is > > >just the beginning it makes it all worth it. But she has to choose > a healthy lifestyle in > > >order to make it successful, and she knows it also. I have seen so > much > > >improvement with her choices, although we all fall short at times. > Alyce > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > > >___________ ______ > > >Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. > > >Ask your question on www.Answers. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 My recommendations for counseling go for ALL of us. Almost every one of us has some combination of bad habits (eating too fast, cleaning our plate, etc) and emotional reasons (mother made me eat, I'm depressed, I'm on my period, if I'm fat the boys/girls won't bother me, I'm someone who sets myself up for failure, I'm happy, I'm at a wedding, I'm at a funeral, etc, etc....both good and bad reasons). Some of the reasons are obvious, many of them aren't. I had an injury on Saturday and was VERY depressed because of it (won't bother with details unless you really care), and ate pasta twice (and large quantities of it, with alfredo sauce that made it slide right down), at KFC, went to ice cream shops for sundaes twice, etc, etc, etc. Gained four pounds. Big surprise. But I KNOW why I did it, I'm past it, and I'm back to normal. I've had both formal counseling, and also from being 17 years clean and sober (as of Monday), I learned a great deal about my emotional issues from AA, and had what was probably an easier time than many, at least on the emotional issues. Habits are still there and I struggle with some of them every blasted day. So, no, it isn't just because she's a teenager. dan " Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. " -- Will www.mylapband.tk or www.riverofdata.com Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/27/03 355/323/210/190 Re: Issues >Options have been given to her and she does not want counseling. She is mature >for her age, makes good choices, even though her friends drink, etc, has strong >faith, good grades. I would like her to join this support group some day, I think she >would learn so much. She will be 18 soon and will be making her own choices, maybe >she will go some day. I have been talked a lot on this board about counseling and I >understand why, so are you all getting counseling. Or is it because Candyce is 17 >that this keeps coming up? Alyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Thanks Carol, being a mom is hard at this stage. I have two teen boys going down a destructive social path, and then I look at Candyce who makes such good decisions, but has a food addition. Who needs counseling more, I think we all need it. They are all great kids with a mom and dad who love them and it is hard to watch them find their place, but at some point I have learned to let go after my advice gets old for them. We are going for Candyce's 3rd fill next Monday, she is excited. She is really watching what she is eating because the restriction is'nt at it's best. I really hope for your daughter's sake she does get the lap band, because I watch Candyce now and even at 28 lb loss she has so much hope. She auditioned at the college for a theater scholarship and was worried about her weight, but was given the scholarship immediately after the audition and they were thrilled to have her on board. It somewhat redeemed her from past prejudice's of past judges. I hope you and your family well with the band, and I thank God for the Kuri team and the band. I talked to a friend who said the band is 52000.00 in New York. I am sorry but that is a starter house where we are from. Best wishes Alyce Issues > > > > >Thanks Lidia, I am careful with Candyce not to point out that she > has issues and > > >needs counseling, because we all have our issues, and handle it in > different ways. > > >It is a sensitive subject and we have to guide and direct the best > we can without > > >causing more problems. My hope is as she matures she will look > inside herself and > > >learn the root of overeating. I overeat sugar to fill a void, but > I had to come upon > > >that on my own. Our family chose the lapband with Candyce because > we saw her > > >heading down a destructive path and seeing the joy she has now, > even though it is > > >just the beginning it makes it all worth it. But she has to choose > a healthy lifestyle in > > >order to make it successful, and she knows it also. I have seen so > much > > >improvement with her choices, although we all fall short at times. > Alyce > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > > >___________ ______ > > >Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. > > >Ask your question on www.Answers. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Dan, congratulations for you " other 17 years of recovery " !!!!! I attended Alonon for 15 years...is a day at the time.....and yes, I do need to surrended quiet often still. Stress gets me too. Glad you are back to normal. Lidia Dan Lester <honu@...> wrote: My recommendations for counseling go for ALL of us. Almost every one of us has some combination of bad habits (eating too fast, cleaning our plate, etc) and emotional reasons (mother made me eat, I'm depressed, I'm on my period, if I'm fat the boys/girls won't bother me, I'm someone who sets myself up for failure, I'm happy, I'm at a wedding, I'm at a funeral, etc, etc....both good and bad reasons). Some of the reasons are obvious, many of them aren't. I had an injury on Saturday and was VERY depressed because of it (won't bother with details unless you really care), and ate pasta twice (and large quantities of it, with alfredo sauce that made it slide right down), at KFC, went to ice cream shops for sundaes twice, etc, etc, etc. Gained four pounds. Big surprise. But I KNOW why I did it, I'm past it, and I'm back to normal. I've had both formal counseling, and also from being 17 years clean and sober (as of Monday), I learned a great deal about my emotional issues from AA, and had what was probably an easier time than many, at least on the emotional issues. Habits are still there and I struggle with some of them every blasted day. So, no, it isn't just because she's a teenager. dan " Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. " -- Will www.mylapband.tk or www.riverofdata.com Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/27/03 355/323/210/190 Re: Issues >Options have been given to her and she does not want counseling. She is mature >for her age, makes good choices, even though her friends drink, etc, has strong >faith, good grades. I would like her to join this support group some day, I think she >would learn so much. She will be 18 soon and will be making her own choices, maybe >she will go some day. I have been talked a lot on this board about counseling and I >understand why, so are you all getting counseling. Or is it because Candyce is 17 >that this keeps coming up? Alyce --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 alyce, I don't know how old your sons are. But I had a very self destructive daughter who is now 23, what a turn around she has made.. Good luck!! Patty Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: Re: Issues Thanks Carol, being a mom is hard at this stage. I have two teen boys going down a destructive social path, and then I look at Candyce who makes such good decisions, but has a food addition. Who needs counseling more, I think we all need it. They are all great kids with a mom and dad who love them and it is hard to watch them find their place, but at some point I have learned to let go after my advice gets old for them. We are going for Candyce's 3rd fill next Monday, she is excited. She is really watching what she is eating because the restriction is'nt at it's best. I really hope for your daughter's sake she does get the lap band, because I watch Candyce now and even at 28 lb loss she has so much hope. She auditioned at the college for a theater scholarship and was worried about her weight, but was given the scholarship immediately after the audition and they were thrilled to have her on board. It somewhat redeemed her from past prejudice's of past judges. I hope you and your family well with the band, and I thank God for the Kuri team and the band. I talked to a friend who said the band is 52000.00 in New York. I am sorry but that is a starter house where we are from. Best wishes Alyce Issues > > > > >Thanks Lidia, I am careful with Candyce not to point out that she > has issues and > > >needs counseling, because we all have our issues, and handle it in > different ways. > > >It is a sensitive subject and we have to guide and direct the best > we can without > > >causing more problems. My hope is as she matures she will look > inside herself and > > >learn the root of overeating. I overeat sugar to fill a void, but > I had to come upon > > >that on my own. Our family chose the lapband with Candyce because > we saw her > > >heading down a destructive path and seeing the joy she has now, > even though it is > > >just the beginning it makes it all worth it. But she has to choose > a healthy lifestyle in > > >order to make it successful, and she knows it also. I have seen so > much > > >improvement with her choices, although we all fall short at times. > Alyce > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > > >___________ ______ > > >Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. > > >Ask your question on www.Answers. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 i agree that counseling is a good thing, particularly when bad behavior is chronic. however, we mustn't use counseling to navel gaze, or as a safety net to delay starting the work on our health. while it can be extremely difficult, one can make a decision to radically change our behavior (and learn more about why we behaved badly while we're in the process) and stop doing it. what it takes is committment. and when we get weak and want to negotiate our eating to satisfy one of the many demons we carry around and must feed, we find ourselves in troubled waters. our committment, then becomes our bridge over troubled waters. i know this may sound pedantic, but it is the truth. only we can control our own behavior. and we are all intimately familiar with our behavior gone wrong in this eating arena. so, go get counseling if you feel it will help, but in the meantime, get the commitment going and follow it to your destination. its time for all of us who have come this far and have invested ourselves in bandster life, to be proud of this endeavor and the courage it took to have this appliance installed. this whole act is one of strength and courage. so we should all be familiar with what it takes to just decide and go with it. i hope this is taken in the context of support and kindness. i have been lambasted on the other board for this kind of support, but I really believe its the truth and this truth can set us free. best regards, > > My recommendations for counseling go for ALL of us. Almost every one of us has some combination of bad habits (eating too fast, cleaning our plate, etc) and emotional reasons (mother made me eat, I'm depressed, I'm on my period, if I'm fat the boys/girls won't bother me, I'm someone who sets myself up for failure, I'm happy, I'm at a wedding, I'm at a funeral, etc, etc....both good and bad reasons). > > Some of the reasons are obvious, many of them aren't. I had an injury on Saturday and was VERY depressed because of it (won't bother with details unless you really care), and ate pasta twice (and large quantities of it, with alfredo sauce that made it slide right down), at KFC, went to ice cream shops for sundaes twice, etc, etc, etc. Gained four pounds. Big surprise. But I KNOW why I did it, I'm past it, and I'm back to normal. > > I've had both formal counseling, and also from being 17 years clean and sober (as of Monday), I learned a great deal about my emotional issues from AA, and had what was probably an easier time than many, at least on the emotional issues. Habits are still there and I struggle with some of them every blasted day. > > So, no, it isn't just because she's a teenager. > > dan > > " Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. " -- Will > www.mylapband.tk or www.riverofdata.com > Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA > Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/27/03 > 355/323/210/190 > > Re: Issues > > > >Options have been given to her and she does not want counseling. She is mature > >for her age, makes good choices, even though her friends drink, etc, has strong > >faith, good grades. I would like her to join this support group some day, I think she > >would learn so much. She will be 18 soon and will be making her own choices, maybe > >she will go some day. I have been talked a lot on this board about counseling and I > >understand why, so are you all getting counseling. Or is it because Candyce is 17 > >that this keeps coming up? Alyce > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Lovely, Georgie....sniff, sniff. > > > > My recommendations for counseling go for ALL of us. Almost every > one of us has some combination of bad habits (eating too fast, > cleaning our plate, etc) and emotional reasons (mother made me eat, > I'm depressed, I'm on my period, if I'm fat the boys/girls won't > bother me, I'm someone who sets myself up for failure, I'm happy, I'm > at a wedding, I'm at a funeral, etc, etc....both good and bad > reasons). > > > > Some of the reasons are obvious, many of them aren't. I had an > injury on Saturday and was VERY depressed because of it (won't bother > with details unless you really care), and ate pasta twice (and large > quantities of it, with alfredo sauce that made it slide right down), > at KFC, went to ice cream shops for sundaes twice, etc, etc, etc. > Gained four pounds. Big surprise. But I KNOW why I did it, I'm past > it, and I'm back to normal. > > > > I've had both formal counseling, and also from being 17 years clean > and sober (as of Monday), I learned a great deal about my emotional > issues from AA, and had what was probably an easier time than many, > at least on the emotional issues. Habits are still there and I > struggle with some of them every blasted day. > > > > So, no, it isn't just because she's a teenager. > > > > dan > > > > " Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just > sit there. " -- Will > > www.mylapband.tk or www.riverofdata.com > > Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA > > Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/27/03 > > 355/323/210/190 > > > > Re: Issues > > > > > > >Options have been given to her and she does not want > counseling. She is mature > > >for her age, makes good choices, even though her friends drink, > etc, has strong > > >faith, good grades. I would like her to join this support group > some day, I think she > > >would learn so much. She will be 18 soon and will be making her > own choices, maybe > > >she will go some day. I have been talked a lot on this board > about counseling and I > > >understand why, so are you all getting counseling. Or is it > because Candyce is 17 > > >that this keeps coming up? Alyce > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 First of all, Dan..congrats on your 17 years! That is such an astonishing achievement and you should be very proud of yourself. I so understand replacing one negative behavior with another. I quit smoking on New Years Day, 1997, haven't smoked a cigarette not even once, and subsequently gained 50 lbs because I absolutely replaced one negative behavior with another. Next week I get my band, in 2 months I graduate with my bachelors in psychology. I completely agree about Cognitive Behavior Therapy and have a psychologist that I have been working with and will continue to use after the band. I know there will be emotional things that will come up (just part of life), but I will learn to cope with them and the band will help. I haven't ever been a alcohol drinker, taking up smoking again isn't an option with 3 young kids to be a role model too, so I am not sure what I will replace it with, but I am hoping it will be exercise. If I have to be compulsive about something, it might as well be something healthy. I really love the feeling of endorphins after a good workout, it is in my opinion the ultimate high. The best part about getting the band is that I KNOW I will be challenged emotionally not to eat. I am expecting it and have a good support system here to deal with it. Hubby has always been my eating buddy, we are co-dependents when it comes from food, but he is getting banded in July. We are both going to have to have some other form of entertainment and we are working on that now as we speak. Its going to a be a drastic change, but I feel that both of us are worth it, and our kids are worth it most of all because ultimately, there relationship with food will come from our modeling behavior. I would like the cycle of obesity and food comforting to end with me. Life is hard enough as it is, why give them something like that to " weigh " them down. (so to speak!) Again, congrats to you Dan and for the great psychological advice.I agree completely.. Misty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Dan, this is a wonderful accomplishment!! Congrats! And your band success is great too - what an inspiration you are! SAndy R--- In , " Dan Lester " <honu@...> wrote: > being 17 years clean and sober (as of Monday> > dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 , No argument or flaming from me. But I am curious about " the other board " I keep hearing about. What is it?--if only to keep me from accidentally joining it ;-) you can tell me privately if you'd prefer. Thanks, > > i agree that counseling is a good thing, particularly when bad > behavior is chronic. > > however, we mustn't use counseling to navel gaze, or as a safety net > to delay starting the work on our health. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 hi misty, good luck on your banding. and your husband's in july, as well. i have a great idea to address your compulsive behavior, particularly since you and your husband are alike in this area and are enablers or co-dependant. and here it is. are you ready? everytime either one of you feels compelled to do something unhealthy to replace eating, or cheating with food you shouldn't have, MAKE LOVE TO EACH OTHER.!!!!!you will get 1. lots of excercise 2. a great diversion from compulsion 3. lots of fun!!!!!! This could be the subject of the next diet book. maybe i'll write it. do you think a one page book would sell very well? george > > First of all, Dan..congrats on your 17 years! That is such an astonishing > achievement and you should be very proud of yourself. I so understand > replacing one negative behavior with another. I quit smoking on New Years > Day, 1997, haven't smoked a cigarette not even once, and subsequently gained > 50 lbs because I absolutely replaced one negative behavior with another. > Next week I get my band, in 2 months I graduate with my bachelors in > psychology. I completely agree about Cognitive Behavior Therapy and have a > psychologist that I have been working with and will continue to use after > the band. I know there will be emotional things that will come up (just part > of life), but I will learn to cope with them and the band will help. I > haven't ever been a alcohol drinker, taking up smoking again isn't an option > with 3 young kids to be a role model too, so I am not sure what I will > replace it with, but I am hoping it will be exercise. If I have to be > compulsive about something, it might as well be something healthy. I really > love the feeling of endorphins after a good workout, it is in my opinion the > ultimate high. The best part about getting the band is that I KNOW I will be > challenged emotionally not to eat. I am expecting it and have a good support > system here to deal with it. Hubby has always been my eating buddy, we are > co-dependents when it comes from food, but he is getting banded in July. We > are both going to have to have some other form of entertainment and we are > working on that now as we speak. Its going to a be a drastic change, but I > feel that both of us are worth it, and our kids are worth it most of all > because ultimately, there relationship with food will come from our modeling > behavior. I would like the cycle of obesity and food comforting to end with > me. Life is hard enough as it is, why give them something like that to > " weigh " them down. (so to speak!) > > > > Again, congrats to you Dan and for the great psychological advice.I agree > completely.. > > > > Misty > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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