Re: Re: Need Information Please!!

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Thank You so very much Fran, That really makes me not so worried.I am trying to walk all I can, but the pain is still too bad to let me walk much. My Neurosurgeon said he didnt think I would need PT. That was a shock to me. Would you have any idea why he would say that?? Keep in Touch and God Bless You!!

From: Fran Barron <sunhineagain@...>"Spinal Stenosis Treatment " <Spinal Stenosis Treatment >Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 10:38 PMSubject: Re: Need Information Please!!

Ann,

What you are feeling right now is really quite normal. Many if not most people will have the same symptoms as you have within 2-3 weeks post op from a decompression surgery of the spine.

Prior to your surgery the nerves had been compressed and as a result of that compression you where feeling the nerve pain that you had that can also result in a lot of muscle pain as well, caused by not moving and walking properly and straining muscles, tendons and ligaments to move.

Immediately post op, those nerves feel the relief of the nerve compression being removed from them and the result is the decrease and no pain. But there is a catch to that.

Once you start to feel better and can get around a bit from the initial post op restrictions, you start to move more, stand up straighter and start to use your legs to walk more. That causes the brain to send messages to the the lower extremities, IE the legs to move again, and move correctly. In doing this, you are requiring the tendons, ligaments, muscles, nerves to move properly again and they have gotten used to moving things they way they had and those compressed nerves were not doing anything at all but shouting out the pain they where in.

The result of all of this is a disruption again in the way your body is moving and it is causing strain in a different way and the response is what you are feeling now.

Those nerves are telling you to leave me alone and let me enjoy life without being compressed and you are telling them, along with the muscles, ligaments and tendons, no way, get moving and do things right.

At the same time the nerves are also trying to heal from the compression they have been having and presto, after a couple of weeks the pain does start to return for a while.

It will get better in time and you are barely 3 weeks out from your surgery date.

You should talk with your spine surgeon about this so he/she can assure you that what you are feeling is perfectly normal and you should start a course of physical therapy with a good PT that is well versed and experienced in post op spine surgery. you need to learn the following in PT which is vitally important and will become a normal routine for the rest of your life.

You need to have help to learn proper post op exercises to strengthen your core muscles so that you keep those cores as strong as possible to support your spine.

How to properly move to keep your back strong and not do injury to it in the future, and you need to learn the core exercises to do at home to keep that spine strong that will become a daily part of your life for the rest of your life.

Don't panic about the returning pain, it's normal and talk with you doctor about them and physical therapy as well.

Fran

[Guest guest]

Ann,I have no idea why your spine surgeon would think that you wouldn't need any PT. From my own personal experience of having 2 spine surgeries, seeing others at PT that have had spine surgery, talking with my PT and my own spine surgeon, the general consensus is that PT following any kind of spine surgery, is a vitally important.It is far more than just whether you can move well. It has to do with moving correctly, knowing how to move correctly, being sure that you know what exercises to do to always keep your cores strong and doing them properly and being sure to do them every day for the rest of your life. It's making sure that all of these things combine to be properly done and properly

learned.I've seen patients return to PT because they didn't do their exercises for a long time and did some temporary damage to their backs, I've seen an occassional spine patient have no PT post op and it created real havoc for them.I would definetely push your spine surgeon for a round of PT and not accept his "I don't believe or think you need it." Let a full evaluation be done by a well trained PT determine that. Some states do allow a patient to have PT without a doctor's referral, not sure what ones though. you could inquire to find out if you live in one that does. If you find that you don't need an MD referral to go, then you should go, if you need the referral, like I do, then push that doctor for it.You

could also involve your primary care doc to get the referral and speak to your spine surgeon about it.I'm a firm believer in having that PT post spine surgery. My first spine surgery was a simple one level decompression and to look at me and how I moved after that surgery you would have thought the spine surgeon was crazy to say that I needed a minimum of 6 weeks of PT and probably 10 weeks. but to make him happy I went.He had the last laugh though and was 100% correct about the need. What appeared strong, when really worked was fairly week and I learned so much to help me recover and stay strong. and that in turn sped up my required second spine surgery and decompression that was the result of an auto accident 2 years later. that surgery recovery would have taken at least 10 weeks longer if I had not had that

original PT after surgery and had strong cores again.FranFrom: Ann Bell <nachobaby2@...>"Spinal Stenosis Treatment " <Spinal Stenosis Treatment >Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 3:17 PMSubject: Re: Re: Need Information Please!!

Thank You so very much Fran, That really makes me not so worried.I am trying to walk all I can, but the pain is still too bad to let me walk much. My Neurosurgeon said he didnt think I would need PT. That was a shock to me. Would you have any idea why he would say that?? Keep in Touch and God Bless You!!

From: Fran Barron <sunhineagain@...>"Spinal Stenosis Treatment " <Spinal Stenosis Treatment >Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 10:38 PMSubject: Re: Need Information Please!!

Ann,

What you are feeling right now is really quite normal. Many if not most people will have the same symptoms as you have within 2-3 weeks post op from a decompression surgery of the spine.

Prior to your surgery the nerves had been compressed and as a result of that compression you where feeling the nerve pain that you had that can also result in a lot of muscle pain as well, caused by not moving and walking properly and straining muscles, tendons and ligaments to move.

Immediately post op, those nerves feel the relief of the nerve compression being removed from them and the result is the decrease and no pain. But there is a catch to that.

Once you start to feel better and can get around a bit from the initial post op restrictions, you start to move more, stand up straighter and start to use your legs to walk more. That causes the brain to send messages to the the lower extremities, IE the legs to move again, and move correctly. In doing this, you are requiring the tendons, ligaments, muscles, nerves to move properly again and they have gotten used to moving things they way they had and those compressed nerves were not doing anything at all but shouting out the pain they where in.

The result of all of this is a disruption again in the way your body is moving and it is causing strain in a different way and the response is what you are feeling now.

Those nerves are telling you to leave me alone and let me enjoy life without being compressed and you are telling them, along with the muscles, ligaments and tendons, no way, get moving and do things right.

At the same time the nerves are also trying to heal from the compression they have been having and presto, after a couple of weeks the pain does start to return for a while.

It will get better in time and you are barely 3 weeks out from your surgery date.

You should talk with your spine surgeon about this so he/she can assure you that what you are feeling is perfectly normal and you should start a course of physical therapy with a good PT that is well versed and experienced in post op spine surgery. you need to learn the following in PT which is vitally important and will become a normal routine for the rest of your life.

You need to have help to learn proper post op exercises to strengthen your core muscles so that you keep those cores as strong as possible to support your spine.

How to properly move to keep your back strong and not do injury to it in the future, and you need to learn the core exercises to do at home to keep that spine strong that will become a daily part of your life for the rest of your life.

Don't panic about the returning pain, it's normal and talk with you doctor about them and physical therapy as well.

Fran

[Guest guest]

Ann,I have no idea why your spine surgeon would think that you wouldn't need any PT. From my own personal experience of having 2 spine surgeries, seeing others at PT that have had spine surgery, talking with my PT and my own spine surgeon, the general consensus is that PT following any kind of spine surgery, is a vitally important.It is far more than just whether you can move well. It has to do with moving correctly, knowing how to move correctly, being sure that you know what exercises to do to always keep your cores strong and doing them properly and being sure to do them every day for the rest of your life. It's making sure that all of these things combine to be properly done and properly

learned.I've seen patients return to PT because they didn't do their exercises for a long time and did some temporary damage to their backs, I've seen an occassional spine patient have no PT post op and it created real havoc for them.I would definetely push your spine surgeon for a round of PT and not accept his "I don't believe or think you need it." Let a full evaluation be done by a well trained PT determine that. Some states do allow a patient to have PT without a doctor's referral, not sure what ones though. you could inquire to find out if you live in one that does. If you find that you don't need an MD referral to go, then you should go, if you need the referral, like I do, then push that doctor for it.You

could also involve your primary care doc to get the referral and speak to your spine surgeon about it.I'm a firm believer in having that PT post spine surgery. My first spine surgery was a simple one level decompression and to look at me and how I moved after that surgery you would have thought the spine surgeon was crazy to say that I needed a minimum of 6 weeks of PT and probably 10 weeks. but to make him happy I went.He had the last laugh though and was 100% correct about the need. What appeared strong, when really worked was fairly week and I learned so much to help me recover and stay strong. and that in turn sped up my required second spine surgery and decompression that was the result of an auto accident 2 years later. that surgery recovery would have taken at least 10 weeks longer if I had not had that

original PT after surgery and had strong cores again.FranFrom: Ann Bell <nachobaby2@...>"Spinal Stenosis Treatment " <Spinal Stenosis Treatment >Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 3:17 PMSubject: Re: Re: Need Information Please!!

Thank You so very much Fran, That really makes me not so worried.I am trying to walk all I can, but the pain is still too bad to let me walk much. My Neurosurgeon said he didnt think I would need PT. That was a shock to me. Would you have any idea why he would say that?? Keep in Touch and God Bless You!!

From: Fran Barron <sunhineagain@...>"Spinal Stenosis Treatment " <Spinal Stenosis Treatment >Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 10:38 PMSubject: Re: Need Information Please!!

Ann,

What you are feeling right now is really quite normal. Many if not most people will have the same symptoms as you have within 2-3 weeks post op from a decompression surgery of the spine.

Prior to your surgery the nerves had been compressed and as a result of that compression you where feeling the nerve pain that you had that can also result in a lot of muscle pain as well, caused by not moving and walking properly and straining muscles, tendons and ligaments to move.

Immediately post op, those nerves feel the relief of the nerve compression being removed from them and the result is the decrease and no pain. But there is a catch to that.

Once you start to feel better and can get around a bit from the initial post op restrictions, you start to move more, stand up straighter and start to use your legs to walk more. That causes the brain to send messages to the the lower extremities, IE the legs to move again, and move correctly. In doing this, you are requiring the tendons, ligaments, muscles, nerves to move properly again and they have gotten used to moving things they way they had and those compressed nerves were not doing anything at all but shouting out the pain they where in.

The result of all of this is a disruption again in the way your body is moving and it is causing strain in a different way and the response is what you are feeling now.

Those nerves are telling you to leave me alone and let me enjoy life without being compressed and you are telling them, along with the muscles, ligaments and tendons, no way, get moving and do things right.

At the same time the nerves are also trying to heal from the compression they have been having and presto, after a couple of weeks the pain does start to return for a while.

It will get better in time and you are barely 3 weeks out from your surgery date.

You should talk with your spine surgeon about this so he/she can assure you that what you are feeling is perfectly normal and you should start a course of physical therapy with a good PT that is well versed and experienced in post op spine surgery. you need to learn the following in PT which is vitally important and will become a normal routine for the rest of your life.

You need to have help to learn proper post op exercises to strengthen your core muscles so that you keep those cores as strong as possible to support your spine.

How to properly move to keep your back strong and not do injury to it in the future, and you need to learn the core exercises to do at home to keep that spine strong that will become a daily part of your life for the rest of your life.

Don't panic about the returning pain, it's normal and talk with you doctor about them and physical therapy as well.

Fran

[Guest guest]

Ann,I have no idea why your spine surgeon would think that you wouldn't need any PT. From my own personal experience of having 2 spine surgeries, seeing others at PT that have had spine surgery, talking with my PT and my own spine surgeon, the general consensus is that PT following any kind of spine surgery, is a vitally important.It is far more than just whether you can move well. It has to do with moving correctly, knowing how to move correctly, being sure that you know what exercises to do to always keep your cores strong and doing them properly and being sure to do them every day for the rest of your life. It's making sure that all of these things combine to be properly done and properly

learned.I've seen patients return to PT because they didn't do their exercises for a long time and did some temporary damage to their backs, I've seen an occassional spine patient have no PT post op and it created real havoc for them.I would definetely push your spine surgeon for a round of PT and not accept his "I don't believe or think you need it." Let a full evaluation be done by a well trained PT determine that. Some states do allow a patient to have PT without a doctor's referral, not sure what ones though. you could inquire to find out if you live in one that does. If you find that you don't need an MD referral to go, then you should go, if you need the referral, like I do, then push that doctor for it.You

could also involve your primary care doc to get the referral and speak to your spine surgeon about it.I'm a firm believer in having that PT post spine surgery. My first spine surgery was a simple one level decompression and to look at me and how I moved after that surgery you would have thought the spine surgeon was crazy to say that I needed a minimum of 6 weeks of PT and probably 10 weeks. but to make him happy I went.He had the last laugh though and was 100% correct about the need. What appeared strong, when really worked was fairly week and I learned so much to help me recover and stay strong. and that in turn sped up my required second spine surgery and decompression that was the result of an auto accident 2 years later. that surgery recovery would have taken at least 10 weeks longer if I had not had that

original PT after surgery and had strong cores again.FranFrom: Ann Bell <nachobaby2@...>"Spinal Stenosis Treatment " <Spinal Stenosis Treatment >Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 3:17 PMSubject: Re: Re: Need Information Please!!

Thank You so very much Fran, That really makes me not so worried.I am trying to walk all I can, but the pain is still too bad to let me walk much. My Neurosurgeon said he didnt think I would need PT. That was a shock to me. Would you have any idea why he would say that?? Keep in Touch and God Bless You!!

From: Fran Barron <sunhineagain@...>"Spinal Stenosis Treatment " <Spinal Stenosis Treatment >Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 10:38 PMSubject: Re: Need Information Please!!

Ann,

What you are feeling right now is really quite normal. Many if not most people will have the same symptoms as you have within 2-3 weeks post op from a decompression surgery of the spine.

Prior to your surgery the nerves had been compressed and as a result of that compression you where feeling the nerve pain that you had that can also result in a lot of muscle pain as well, caused by not moving and walking properly and straining muscles, tendons and ligaments to move.

Immediately post op, those nerves feel the relief of the nerve compression being removed from them and the result is the decrease and no pain. But there is a catch to that.

Once you start to feel better and can get around a bit from the initial post op restrictions, you start to move more, stand up straighter and start to use your legs to walk more. That causes the brain to send messages to the the lower extremities, IE the legs to move again, and move correctly. In doing this, you are requiring the tendons, ligaments, muscles, nerves to move properly again and they have gotten used to moving things they way they had and those compressed nerves were not doing anything at all but shouting out the pain they where in.

The result of all of this is a disruption again in the way your body is moving and it is causing strain in a different way and the response is what you are feeling now.

Those nerves are telling you to leave me alone and let me enjoy life without being compressed and you are telling them, along with the muscles, ligaments and tendons, no way, get moving and do things right.

At the same time the nerves are also trying to heal from the compression they have been having and presto, after a couple of weeks the pain does start to return for a while.

It will get better in time and you are barely 3 weeks out from your surgery date.

You should talk with your spine surgeon about this so he/she can assure you that what you are feeling is perfectly normal and you should start a course of physical therapy with a good PT that is well versed and experienced in post op spine surgery. you need to learn the following in PT which is vitally important and will become a normal routine for the rest of your life.

You need to have help to learn proper post op exercises to strengthen your core muscles so that you keep those cores as strong as possible to support your spine.

How to properly move to keep your back strong and not do injury to it in the future, and you need to learn the core exercises to do at home to keep that spine strong that will become a daily part of your life for the rest of your life.

Don't panic about the returning pain, it's normal and talk with you doctor about them and physical therapy as well.

Fran

[Guest guest]

Ann,I have no idea why your spine surgeon would think that you wouldn't need any PT. From my own personal experience of having 2 spine surgeries, seeing others at PT that have had spine surgery, talking with my PT and my own spine surgeon, the general consensus is that PT following any kind of spine surgery, is a vitally important.It is far more than just whether you can move well. It has to do with moving correctly, knowing how to move correctly, being sure that you know what exercises to do to always keep your cores strong

and doing them properly and being sure to do them every day for the rest of your life. It's making sure that all of these things combine to be properly done and properly learned.I've seen patients return to PT because they didn't do their exercises for a long time and did some temporary damage to their backs, I've seen an occassional spine patient have no PT post op and it created real havoc for them.I would definetely push your spine surgeon for a round of PT and not accept his "I don't believe or think you need it." Let a full evaluation be done by a well trained PT determine that. Some states do allow a patient to have PT without a doctor's referral, not sure what ones though. you could inquire to find out if you live in one that does. If you find that you

don't need an MD referral to go, then you should go, if you need the referral, like I do, then push that doctor for it.You could also involve your primary care doc to get the referral and speak to your spine surgeon about it.I'm a firm believer in having that PT post spine surgery. My first spine surgery was a simple one level decompression and to look at me and how I moved after that surgery you would have thought the spine surgeon was crazy to say that I needed a minimum of 6 weeks of PT and probably 10 weeks. but to make him happy I went.He had the last laugh though and was 100% correct about the need. What appeared strong, when really worked was fairly week and I learned so much to help me recover and stay strong. and that in turn sped up my required second spine

surgery and decompression that was the result of an auto accident 2 years later. that surgery recovery would have taken at least 10 weeks longer if I had not had that original PT after surgery and had strong cores again.FranFrom: Ann Bell <nachobaby2@...>"Spinal Stenosis Treatment " <Spinal Stenosis Treatment >Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 3:17 PMSubject: Re: Re: Need Information Please!!

Thank You so very much Fran, That really makes me not so worried.I am trying to walk all I can, but the pain is still too bad to let me walk much. My Neurosurgeon said he didnt think I would need PT. That was a shock to me. Would you have any idea why he would say that?? Keep in Touch and God Bless You!!

From: Fran Barron <sunhineagain@...>"Spinal Stenosis Treatment " <Spinal Stenosis Treatment >Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 10:38 PMSubject: Re: Need Information Please!!

Ann,

What you are feeling right now is really quite normal. Many if not most people will have the same symptoms as you have within 2-3 weeks post op from a decompression surgery of the spine.

Prior to your surgery the nerves had been compressed and as a result of that compression you where feeling the nerve pain that you had that can also result in a lot of muscle pain as well, caused by not moving and walking properly and straining muscles, tendons and ligaments to move.

Immediately post op, those nerves feel the relief of the nerve compression being removed from them and the result is the decrease and no pain. But there is a catch to that.

Once you start to feel better and can get around a bit from the initial post op restrictions, you start to move more, stand up straighter and start to use your legs to walk more. That causes the brain to send messages to the the lower extremities, IE the legs to move again, and move correctly. In doing this, you are requiring the tendons, ligaments, muscles, nerves to move properly again and they have gotten used to moving things they way they had and those compressed nerves were not doing anything at all but shouting out the pain they where in.

The result of all of this is a disruption again in the way your body is moving and it is causing strain in a different way and the response is what you are feeling now.

Those nerves are telling you to leave me alone and let me enjoy life without being compressed and you are telling them, along with the muscles, ligaments and tendons, no way, get moving and do things right.

At the same time the nerves are also trying to heal from the compression they have been having and presto, after a couple of weeks the pain does start to return for a while.

It will get better in time and you are barely 3 weeks out from your surgery date.

You should talk with your spine surgeon about this so he/she can assure you that what you are feeling is perfectly normal and you should start a course of physical therapy with a good PT that is well versed and experienced in post op spine surgery. you need to learn the following in PT which is vitally important and will become a normal routine for the rest of your life.

You need to have help to learn proper post op exercises to strengthen your core muscles so that you keep those cores as strong as possible to support your spine.

How to properly move to keep your back strong and not do injury to it in the future, and you need to learn the core exercises to do at home to keep that spine strong that will become a daily part of your life for the rest of your life.

Don't panic about the returning pain, it's normal and talk with you doctor about them and physical therapy as well.

Fran