Re: Another aspirin desens. question for those who have done it....

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I take only aspirin and nasonex 1x/day. But everyone is different.On Aug 22, 2011, at 10:10 AM, hopefaithlove2006 wrote:

Do you take Singulair or Accolate or Zyflo with your aspirin regimen?

My doc told me I would have to take Zyflo with the aspirin for life.

Thank you for your input.

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I am curious because if one is truly desensitized to something, why would a person have to take another medication with it?

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Good question! I asked my Consultant this too and his answer wansnt very clear! I can't remember the answer, anyway.How are you today?

Becky

From: M Do <michellemdo@...>samters Sent: Mon, 22 August, 2011 18:01:48Subject: Re: Another aspirin desens. question for those who have done it....

I am curious because if one is truly desensitized to something, why would a person have to take another medication with it?

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I am ok. Slightly concerned because I am thinking I should have taken less aspirin than I have.....keeping fingers crossed I have not over done it..... =0From: Bannister <beckyb256@...>Subject: Re: Another aspirin desens. question for those who have done it....samters Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 11:28 AM

Good question! I asked my Consultant this too and his answer wansnt very clear! I can't remember the answer, anyway.How are you today?

Becky

From: M Do <michellemdo@...>samters Sent: Mon, 22 August, 2011 18:01:48Subject: Re: Another aspirin desens. question for those who have done it....

I am curious because if one is truly desensitized to something, why would a person have to take another medication with it?

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This because desensitization is in no way a cure ; it is only a partial blunting of the AERD mechanism (probably through saturation of the leukotriene receptors) and therefore of the symptoms. It may also not be tolerated because of side effects. Other medications may have to be added as needed, especially if there are comorbidities (=other illnesses) such as allergies, etc. It is like turning down the gas of the big fire on the stove, but not shutting it down completely, while leaving the other fires more or less working.But whoever noticed in the first place that desensitization worked really must have been a great observer or just a very lucky person. I think Fernand Widal wrote about it in the 1920's, but he may have heard about it from someone else.>> I am curious because if one is truly desensitized to something, why would a person have to take another medication with it? >

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Joan, While on quinolones, avoid any walking, jogging, or any kind of Achilles'tendon activity, and also the sun. Did the culture give you the name of the germ ?> > > Do you take Singulair or Accolate or Zyflo with your aspirin regimen?> > > > My doc told me I would have to take Zyflo with the aspirin for life. > > > > Thank you for your input.> > > >>

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Thanks asfyI had to quit the quinolones. Got so weak I could barely move. I tolerate other classes of antibiotics, but these feel like poison. I know they cultured H.flu a few times -- not sure if there is anything else. Oral antibiotics just haven't done it this time. A naturopath has suggested a drop of tea tree oil and a tiny bit of baking powder in the saline solution -- doesn't seem to be dangerous, but doesn't seem to help either. Do you know why antibiotics in a spray or rinse wouldn't be prescribed?On Aug 22, 2011, at 4:29 PM, asfy wrote:

Joan, While on quinolones, avoid any walking, jogging, or any kind of Achilles'tendon activity, and also the sun. Did the culture give you the name of the germ ?> > > Do you take Singulair or Accolate or Zyflo with your aspirin regimen?> > > > My doc told me I would have to take Zyflo with the aspirin for life. > > > > Thank you for your input.> > > >>

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Antibiotics in sprays or rinses don't work well because they either don't reach far enough (sprays) or are too diluted (rinses). On the other hand, nebulized antibiotics work well because they deliver a good concentration everywhere, especially if the sinuses have been opened by previous surgery. The only reasons they wouldn't be prescribed are :- their cost,- if the infection is systemic rather than local, in which case an oral or IV drug would be preferable.H. influenzae seems susceptible to Eucalyptus essential oil. In this case, Eucalyptus Globulus was used, but the less powerful and non-toxic alternative Eucalyptus Radiata might also work well. Eucalyptus Globulus is for adults only. You could put some drops on a handkerchief and breathe it several times a day for a few minutes, or dilute the eucalyptus oil in olive oil and apply a few drops with a q-tips at the entry of the nostrils (provided it doesn't burn) so you can breathe it in all day long. NEVER apply pure essential oils directly on the skin, much less put them undiluted in an irrigation solution.-------------Curr Microbiol. 2008 Jan;56(1):89-92. Epub 2007 Oct 31.Effect of eucalyptus essential oil on respiratory bacteria and viruses.Cermelli C, Fabio A, Fabio G, Quaglio P.SourceDipartimento di Scienze di Sanità Pubblica, Università di Modena e Reggio Emilia, Via Campi 287, 41100, Modena, Italy. c.cermAbstractThe activity of Eucalyptus globulus essential oil was determined for 120 isolates of Streptococcus pyogenes, 20 isolates of S. pneumoniae, 40 isolates of S. agalactiae, 20 isolates of Staphylococcus aureus, 40 isolates of Haemophilus influenzae, 30 isolates of H. parainfluenzae, 10 isolates of Klebsiella pneumoniae, 10 isolates of Stenotrophomonas maltophilia and two viruses, a strain of adenovirus and a strain of mumps virus, all obtained from clinical specimens of patients with respiratory tract infections. The cytotoxicity was evaluated on VERO cells by the MTT test. The antibacterial activity was evaluated by the Kirby Bauer paper method, minimum inhibitory concentration, and minimum bactericidal concentration. H.influenzae, parainfluenzae, and S. maltophilia were the most susceptible, followed by S. pneumoniae. The antiviral activity, assessed by means of virus yield experiments titered by the end-point dilution method for adenovirus, and by plaque reduction assay for mumps virus, disclosed only a mild activity on mumps virus.PMID: 17972131 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]> > > > > > > Do you take Singulair or Accolate or Zyflo with your aspirin regimen?> > > > > > > > My doc told me I would have to take Zyflo with the aspirin for life. > > > > > > > > Thank you for your input.> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>

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I was prescribed Gentamicin nasal rinse but that was for a specific germ (pseudomonas) that does not respond to oral antibiotics. Eventually I had to have IV therapy to kick it altogether. It's gone now, hopefully for good. But the key is to determine what germ you are dealing with.

samters From: thomyris7@...Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:47:06 -0600Subject: Re: Re: Another aspirin desens. question for those who have done it....

Thanks asfy

I had to quit the quinolones. Got so weak I could barely move. I tolerate other classes of antibiotics, but these feel like poison. I know they cultured H.flu a few times -- not sure if there is anything else. Oral antibiotics just haven't done it this time. A naturopath has suggested a drop of tea tree oil and a tiny bit of baking powder in the saline solution -- doesn't seem to be dangerous, but doesn't seem to help either. Do you know why antibiotics in a spray or rinse wouldn't be prescribed?

On Aug 22, 2011, at 4:29 PM, asfy wrote:

Joan,

While on quinolones, avoid any walking, jogging, or any kind of Achilles'tendon activity, and also the sun. Did the culture give you the name of the germ ?

> > > Do you take Singulair or Accolate or Zyflo with your aspirin regimen?> > > > My doc told me I would have to take Zyflo with the aspirin for life. > > > > Thank you for your input.> > > >>

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You have to ask for them. From: samters [mailto:samters ] On Behalf Of joan harveySent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:47 PMsamters Subject: Re: Re: Another aspirin desens. question for those who have done it.... Thanks asfy I had to quit the quinolones. Got so weak I could barely move. I tolerate other classes of antibiotics, but these feel like poison. I know they cultured H.flu a few times -- not sure if there is anything else. Oral antibiotics just haven't done it this time. A naturopath has suggested a drop of tea tree oil and a tiny bit of baking powder in the saline solution -- doesn't seem to be dangerous, but doesn't seem to help either. Do you know why antibiotics in a spray or rinse wouldn't be prescribed? On Aug 22, 2011, at 4:29 PM, asfy wrote: Joan, While on quinolones, avoid any walking, jogging, or any kind of Achilles'tendon activity, and also the sun. Did the culture give you the name of the germ ? > > > Do you take Singulair or Accolate or Zyflo with your aspirin regimen?> > > > My doc told me I would have to take Zyflo with the aspirin for life. > > > > Thank you for your input.> > > >>

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I need to take zyflo after desentization but that is not the experience of every

one. I had a severe case that required steroids every few weeks. I know it does

stink to be reliant on these two medications; however, it is better than being

reliant on steroids. Unfortuntaly you dont know how you respond to

desentization untill you do it. And the studies do show that the odds are in

your favor for at least some benefit.

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> Do you take Singulair or Accolate or Zyflo with your aspirin regimen?

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> My doc told me I would have to take Zyflo with the aspirin for life.

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> Thank you for your input.

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I agree with you. The lesser of two evils is Zyflo and aspirin. Definitely. I am hoping that the small amounts of prednisone I used during the aspirin desensitization process will be the LAST time I ever have to take it.Since I have only been taking 640 mg of aspirin daily for 4 days, I cannot testify to big changes yet, BUT, it definitely cleared up my congestion I was having after taking 40 mg of aspirin for two weeks (long story) AND my lung function test at the doc's today was at 86% versus last month it was 72%. I am VERY hopeful to reap benefits of being desensitized.From: damianodavid <damianodavid@...>Subject:

Re: Another aspirin desens. question for those who have done it....samters Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 4:57 PM

I need to take zyflo after desentization but that is not the experience of every one. I had a severe case that required steroids every few weeks. I know it does stink to be reliant on these two medications; however, it is better than being reliant on steroids. Unfortuntaly you dont know how you respond to desentization untill you do it. And the studies do show that the odds are in your favor for at least some benefit.

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> Do you take Singulair or Accolate or Zyflo with your aspirin regimen?

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> My doc told me I would have to take Zyflo with the aspirin for life.

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> Thank you for your input.

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