RE: Does anyone see any benefit from not eating meat? Or going completely Vegan?

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I gave up meat for six weeks to try it out

but it didn’t make any difference at all.

From: samters [mailto:samters ] On Behalf Of bianca_f75

Sent: Tuesday, 15 January 2008

3:47 AM

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Subject: Does anyone see

any benefit from not eating meat? Or going completely Vegan?

Just wondering if anyone has found any benefit from

either removing

meat entirely from their diet or even going compeltely Vegan and how it

has affected their samters.

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I tried it too, and was veggie for several months, and all I discovered was I had an intolerance to wheat, especially in bread. I feel much more healthy when I include meat in my diet. Becky <soniarobins@...> wrote: I gave up meat for six weeks to try it out but it didn’t make any difference at all. From: samters [mailto:samters ] On Behalf Of bianca_f75Sent: Tuesday, 15 January 2008 3:47 AMTo:

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Hi all,

I found the question funny...since I've taken the approach for the last

6 years or so that meat (unprocessed) was about the only safe food there

was. We respond to salicylates. These are naturally occurring things in

many plants. Meat, as far as I know, doesn't contain any. What we need

to avoid are foods high in salicylates. I don't know them all, but

berries for sure. I think grapes too since I've noticed I really seem to

react to them. I also avoid mint, and all the benzoates I can. I really

believe it has helped, although it is a lot of effort. My symptoms are

really under control now - especially since my last surgery in May. I've

been doing quite well since that. Anyway, I'm interested in the group's

thoughts and experiences on this point.

Regards,

Mike

Bannister wrote:

> I tried it too, and was veggie for several months, and all I

> discovered was I had an intolerance to wheat, especially in bread. I

> feel much more healthy when I include meat in my diet.

> Becky

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> */ <soniarobins@...>/* wrote:

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> I gave up meat for six weeks to try it out but it didn’t make any

> difference at all.

>

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> meat? Or going completely Vegan?

> Just wondering if anyone has found any benefit from either removing

> meat entirely from their diet or even going compeltely Vegan and

> how it

> has affected their samters.

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Had my second sinus surgery on Thursday. Recovery seems much slower the second time around (I'm 54 now so maybe that's a part of it). I have searched and searched the topics and still do not have any foundation to improve my health. I'm sorry to sound redundant but looking up leukotrienes, salicylates, diet, etc really doesn't explain HOW to make changes to feel better. Am I the only one confused? Thank you for your support! mike <mike@...> wrote: Hi all,I found the question funny...since I've taken the approach for the last 6 years or so that meat (unprocessed) was about the only safe food there was. We respond to salicylates. These are naturally occurring things in many plants. Meat, as far as I know, doesn't contain any. What we

need to avoid are foods high in salicylates. I don't know them all, but berries for sure. I think grapes too since I've noticed I really seem to react to them. I also avoid mint, and all the benzoates I can. I really believe it has helped, although it is a lot of effort. My symptoms are really under control now - especially since my last surgery in May. I've been doing quite well since that. Anyway, I'm interested in the group's thoughts and experiences on this point.Regards,Mike Bannister wrote:> I tried it too, and was veggie for several months, and all I > discovered was I had an intolerance to wheat, especially in bread. I > feel much more healthy when I include meat in my diet.> Becky>> */ /* wrote:>> I gave up meat for six weeks to try it out but it didn’t make any> difference at all.> >

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I think some here have had a benefit in going vegan or meatless. I

found a huge benefit in just cutting out all red meat. I think fish

has some benefits for some people, so I don't know about going vegan.

I do think the big benefit for Samter's is cutting down in ANIMAL FAT

in whatever way this is possible, and this could include dairy

products, particularly fatty dairy products.

Lori

>

> Just wondering if anyone has found any benefit from either removing

> meat entirely from their diet or even going compeltely Vegan and how

it

> has affected their samters.

>

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In terms of meat, the theory has to do with the arachidonic acid

pathway and the way that fats are metabolized into leukotrienes that

may contribute to Samter's symptoms. I am not a chemist so I don't

really understand it all, but there is science behind this. There was

a very recent discussion about this as well where we discussed omega-3s

and arachidonic acid content in meats.

I personally do NOT seem to be sensitive to salicylates in general,

except for aspirin and NSAIDs. I know this is hard for people who are

sensitive to salicylates to understand. But I found no benefit from

cutting out salicylates.

Lori

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for me i have found benefits from not eating poultry, minimal dairy, and almost

no wheat.

red meat does not seem to bother me.

>

> Just wondering if anyone has found any benefit from either removing

> meat entirely from their diet or even going compeltely Vegan and how it

> has affected their samters.

>

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It should be possible to be sensitive to aspirin and not to salicylates, because

aspirin is

acetylsalicylic acid, so one could conceivably be sensitive to the acetyl group

and not to

the salicylate group.

Wikipedia has a good description of the synthesis of aspirin :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin

(BTW, the section on aspirin side-effects is very informative)

In particular, this picture shows how the acetyl group blocks a site in the COX

molecule

called the " serine site " . This blocking is responsible for the anti-inflammatory

effect of

aspirin in the general population, and also accouns for the effect of aspirin in

Samter's :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:COX-2_inhibited_by_Aspirin.png

The picture clearly shows the acetyl group blocks a site, while the salicylate

group blocks

another. So, maybe one can be sensitive to the first and not to the second since

the effects

from blocking one site or the other are presumably different. I am not a

chemist, but I

think is, and she may have an opinion on the matter.

If you were sensitive to acetic acid and not to salicylates, you would

definitely be very

sensitive to vinegar and alcohol in general, since (Wiki) : " Vinegar is a liquid

produced from

the fermentation of ethanol in a process that yields its key ingredient, acetic

acid. The

acetic acid concentration ranges typically from 4 to 8 percent by volume for

table vinegar

[1] (typically 5%) and higher concentrations for pickling (up to 18%) although

in some

countries the minimum strength may be less. "

> (...)

> I personally do NOT seem to be sensitive to salicylates in general,

> except for aspirin and NSAIDs. I know this is hard for people who are

> sensitive to salicylates to understand. But I found no benefit from

> cutting out salicylates.

>

> Lori