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Oh Lordy, this is the first time I've responded to anyone on the list, but your

post compelled me to write. You didn't say how long you've had pain, but if

you've got a pain management doc, it's been long enough!

In answer to some of your Qs:

What do you guys do when the ones close to you are tired of hearing it? Since

chronic pain is impossible to really understand unless you've experienced it,

those around us can get sick of hearing us talk about it...And truthfully, we

can get immersed in our identities as " a person in constant pain " . Use your

spouse's comments as an opportunity to notice what you say and how often you

talk about your pain. Chances are, you've got a " story " that you rely on to

communicate to others. Do you use the same phrases or jokes over and over? I got

so I had a rap that I gave everyone, and once I realized it, I toned it down.

When you feel as though you can’t do anything you would normally do as a

family? We are supposed to go skiing with my parents (yes they ski – all over

Europe and out west) for a week in March. I don’t even want to go now. It's hard

to not be able to function like you used to, I know. But, it sounds like you're

still fairly functional, so be grateful for that, find something that you can

do, and do that! If your hubby or family gives you a hard time, they don't

really understand your limitations. Maybe ask them to come to your pain mgmt

doctor's office for an appt--sometimes hearing it from an authority figure makes

it more real.

Have any of you gone on to several docs before getting a doc that finds your

cause and treats your pain? YES!!! It can be notoriously difficult to get an

accurate diagnosis, especially with nerve pain, since the nervous system can

refer pain to different areas of the body. Keep looking until you find someone

who you can feel good about working with. It's your body!

I've had nerve pain for about 5 years, and have experienced many flares and

recoveries, tons of treatments and consultations from about 30+/- doctors(!),

and I have received several diagnoses, some of which conflict or contradict

others.

What I've come to believe is that when I look at this as purely a physical

issue, I'm missing the bigger picture. The life I was living before was not

truly the life I wanted or needed, but I was ignoring that, and pushing my self

and my body beyond healthy limits. I am a sensitive, creative person, and I was

working like a dog in the software industry like a tiny cog in a huge,

impersonal machine. I was addicted to the money and image it brought, meanwhile,

my authentic self, the one who can stare out windows for hours, who merges with

nature, dreaming and imagining whole other worlds, was slowly dying.

When the pain first became unbearable, I and everyone in my life thought I'd

just power it through much in the way I'd been living: quickly, efficiently, and

with as little effort as possible. Ha! To make a very long story short, suffice

it to say that what was really required was a near-complete deconstruction of

who I had been being, until I felt like my former self was lying around in

little pieces. The gift in all this (yes, I consider it a gift) is that I get to

build my self back up with consciousness and intention, evaluating and

considering each piece, rejecting what doesn't fit, and choosing what is really

true for me. How many people get to do this in life? Yes, being in pain sucks.

But here we are, and the glass is both half empty and half full. We have a

choice about which attitude we take. I find the " half full " approach more

uplifting and empowering, and when I catch myself focusing on the " half empty " ,

I try not to beat myself up--just go back to the

attitude I want to have.

Some books that I've found helpful are: The Five Stages of the Soul: Charting

the Spiritual Passages That Shape Our Lives by Harry R. Moody and Carroll;

The Best Spiritual Writing (Best Spiritual Writing Series, an annual collection

of stories, poems & essays) edited by Philip Zaleski; Beautiful Heart,

Beautiful Spirit by Orr; Foods That Fight Pain: Revolutionary New

Strategies for Maximum Pain Relief by Neal Barnard; and The Chronic Pain

Solution: Your Personal Path to Pain Relief by N. Dillard.

So, what I've come to see is that such a life-changing event is really a

spiritual issue, and its cost is pain and upheaval...Hang on, sweetie, you can

do it!

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Absolutely loved your post!

I've been feeling some of those things you mentioned.

I had abused my body with exercise and a good part of the reason was vanity.

Recently I have taken up reading and sitting on my sun porch and loving it.

Yes, I miss the exercise and want to be able to do what I used to do but I

would never go back to doing exactly what I was doing and that was pushing

myself too hard even when it hurt.

I am a creative person and there is more to me than body, so yes, this is a

great way to look at the pain that has come into my life and yours.

Maybe I can be fixed but in the meantime I am enjoying the reading.

Thanks again for your post.

Brown <goldiosa@...> wrote:

Oh Lordy, this is the first time I've responded to anyone on the list, but

your post compelled me to write. You didn't say how long you've had pain, but if

you've got a pain management doc, it's been long enough!

In answer to some of your Qs:

What do you guys do when the ones close to you are tired of hearing it? Since

chronic pain is impossible to really understand unless you've experienced it,

those around us can get sick of hearing us talk about it...And truthfully, we

can get immersed in our identities as " a person in constant pain " . Use your

spouse's comments as an opportunity to notice what you say and how often you

talk about your pain. Chances are, you've got a " story " that you rely on to

communicate to others. Do you use the same phrases or jokes over and over? I got

so I had a rap that I gave everyone, and once I realized it, I toned it down.

When you feel as though you can’t do anything you would normally do as a family?

We are supposed to go skiing with my parents (yes they ski – all over Europe and

out west) for a week in March. I don’t even want to go now. It's hard to not be

able to function like you used to, I know. But, it sounds like you're still

fairly functional, so be grateful for that, find something that you can do, and

do that! If your hubby or family gives you a hard time, they don't really

understand your limitations. Maybe ask them to come to your pain mgmt doctor's

office for an appt--sometimes hearing it from an authority figure makes it more

real.

Have any of you gone on to several docs before getting a doc that finds your

cause and treats your pain? YES!!! It can be notoriously difficult to get an

accurate diagnosis, especially with nerve pain, since the nervous system can

refer pain to different areas of the body. Keep looking until you find someone

who you can feel good about working with. It's your body!

I've had nerve pain for about 5 years, and have experienced many flares and

recoveries, tons of treatments and consultations from about 30+/- doctors(!),

and I have received several diagnoses, some of which conflict or contradict

others.

What I've come to believe is that when I look at this as purely a physical

issue, I'm missing the bigger picture. The life I was living before was not

truly the life I wanted or needed, but I was ignoring that, and pushing my self

and my body beyond healthy limits. I am a sensitive, creative person, and I was

working like a dog in the software industry like a tiny cog in a huge,

impersonal machine. I was addicted to the money and image it brought, meanwhile,

my authentic self, the one who can stare out windows for hours, who merges with

nature, dreaming and imagining whole other worlds, was slowly dying.

When the pain first became unbearable, I and everyone in my life thought I'd

just power it through much in the way I'd been living: quickly, efficiently, and

with as little effort as possible. Ha! To make a very long story short, suffice

it to say that what was really required was a near-complete deconstruction of

who I had been being, until I felt like my former self was lying around in

little pieces. The gift in all this (yes, I consider it a gift) is that I get to

build my self back up with consciousness and intention, evaluating and

considering each piece, rejecting what doesn't fit, and choosing what is really

true for me. How many people get to do this in life? Yes, being in pain sucks.

But here we are, and the glass is both half empty and half full. We have a

choice about which attitude we take. I find the " half full " approach more

uplifting and empowering, and when I catch myself focusing on the " half empty " ,

I try not to beat myself up--just go back to the

attitude I want to have.

Some books that I've found helpful are: The Five Stages of the Soul: Charting

the Spiritual Passages That Shape Our Lives by Harry R. Moody and Carroll;

The Best Spiritual Writing (Best Spiritual Writing Series, an annual collection

of stories, poems & essays) edited by Philip Zaleski; Beautiful Heart, Beautiful

Spirit by Orr; Foods That Fight Pain: Revolutionary New Strategies for

Maximum Pain Relief by Neal Barnard; and The Chronic Pain Solution: Your

Personal Path to Pain Relief by N. Dillard.

So, what I've come to see is that such a life-changing event is really a

spiritual issue, and its cost is pain and upheaval...Hang on, sweetie, you can

do it!

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It’s funny you bring that up. I never really discussed it before until I

had my “flare” in September. And of course I had to explain why I was using

a walker or limping etc….and then I DID realize that I was talking about it

more than I probably needed to and tried to change the subject after that.

With my husband tho, I was looking for support – listening, sounding off,

etc. and instead got the “I don’t want to hear it” comment….

I did take him for one of my appts right after I went to the ER….he talked

to the dr at length but he came away saying “ok, the ablation is the thing

you need to do, burn the nerve endings off and you will be fine!” well that

isn’t an option for me but in guy fashion he wanted to “fix” me.

Thanks for the reading list – a few of those sound really good. I will

check them out!

JP

Re:depression....

Oh Lordy, this is the first time I've responded to anyone on the list, but

your post compelled me to write. You didn't say how long you've had pain,

but if you've got a pain management doc, it's been long enough!

In answer to some of your Qs:

What do you guys do when the ones close to you are tired of hearing it?

Since chronic pain is impossible to really understand unless you've

experienced it, those around us can get sick of hearing us talk about

it...And truthfully, we can get immersed in our identities as " a person in

constant pain " . Use your spouse's comments as an opportunity to notice what

you say and how often you talk about your pain. Chances are, you've got a

" story " that you rely on to communicate to others. Do you use the same

phrases or jokes over and over? I got so I had a rap that I gave everyone,

and once I realized it, I toned it down.

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So what happen that started it in the first place and what happen to cause it to

flare back up in Sept?

jen <jennybonner13@...> wrote:

It’s funny you bring that up. I never really discussed it before until I

had my “flare” in September. And of course I had to explain why I was using

a walker or limping etc….and then I DID realize that I was talking about it

more than I probably needed to and tried to change the subject after that.

With my husband tho, I was looking for support – listening, sounding off,

etc. and instead got the “I don’t want to hear it” comment….

I did take him for one of my appts right after I went to the ER….he talked

to the dr at length but he came away saying “ok, the ablation is the thing

you need to do, burn the nerve endings off and you will be fine!” well that

isn’t an option for me but in guy fashion he wanted to “fix” me.

Thanks for the reading list – a few of those sound really good. I will

check them out!

JP

Re:depression....

Oh Lordy, this is the first time I've responded to anyone on the list, but

your post compelled me to write. You didn't say how long you've had pain,

but if you've got a pain management doc, it's been long enough!

In answer to some of your Qs:

What do you guys do when the ones close to you are tired of hearing it?

Since chronic pain is impossible to really understand unless you've

experienced it, those around us can get sick of hearing us talk about

it...And truthfully, we can get immersed in our identities as " a person in

constant pain " . Use your spouse's comments as an opportunity to notice what

you say and how often you talk about your pain. Chances are, you've got a

" story " that you rely on to communicate to others. Do you use the same

phrases or jokes over and over? I got so I had a rap that I gave everyone,

and once I realized it, I toned it down.

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First place? No idea….lifestlye, too much lifting weight? Bodybuilding

then lifting a quadriplegic son over 13 years as he grows and grows….the

question always seems to be “did you have a car accident?” yup had a

few….not sure tho if one did anything and since I haven’t ever had anything

show up on any test….cant really say what caused it

The “flare”? had an SI joint injection two or three days prior to….first

thought was I had an infection – all tests neg. the only other thing was I

seeded my lawn the day before or that day? Not clear on that one. There

was no clear cut start to the pain just a build up to where I couldn’t sit,

walk, or lie on that butt cheek, couldn’t bear any weight….my husband took

me to the car in my sons wheelchair….as I laughed at the ridiculous

situation I instantly started to cry from the pain the laughing caused….my

kids were very confused.

My pain has steadily rose all day today. I did pilates two days

ago….thinking that the “core” workout would help strengthen my spine…I

didn’t do some of the exercises. When I got up to leave I had trouble

bearing weight again on that leg.

JP

Re:depression.-...

Oh Lordy, this is the first time I've responded to anyone on the list, but

your post compelled me to write. You didn't say how long you've had pain,

but if you've got a pain management doc, it's been long enough!

In answer to some of your Qs:

What do you guys do when the ones close to you are tired of hearing it?

Since chronic pain is impossible to really understand unless you've

experienced it, those around us can get sick of hearing us talk about

it...And truthfully, we can get immersed in our identities as " a person in

constant pain " . Use your spouse's comments as an opportunity to notice what

you say and how often you talk about your pain. Chances are, you've got a

" story " that you rely on to communicate to others. Do you use the same

phrases or jokes over and over? I got so I had a rap that I gave everyone,

and once I realized it, I toned it down.

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Don't over look those accidents, and if you have had a fall, tripping. And you

are right any little thing can cause it to flare up again.

I can do the simplest things and can cause so much pain that you feel that if

you don't lie down right then you just can go on. The pain is too much.

Start noticing what you do and you end up in more pain. Be very careful of

getting in and out of bed, and try not to lift any more then you have to.

If you haven't had any MRIs done, see about getting your entire spine done,

there could be more then one problem.

Go to a hospital like Shand's in Florida in Gainesville, or Dukes in NC. Go to

one that is really good at finding out what is going on with you.

I went to Shand's in 1989 because of headaches and I couldn't get a spoon in

my mouth and they found that my jaw had been broken for a long period of time

(13 years). If you have notice in some cases things don't show up right a way.

In some cases it takes years for things to get so bad, that the nice doctor

finally find what is causing all the problems.

My neck injury was from an accident 23 years before they found out what was

wrong, and it was because I could not feel pain in my hands and arms, and I

don't know when I get hurt because I can't feel the pain.

There has been plenty of times that my husband will tell me that I am

bleeding, before I know that I have hurt myself.

My doctor doesn't want me to do anythiing but being just my husband and I, I

have no choice but to do the wash and dishes and things like that. I can't even

go shopping, without help. Can't lift over five lbs and some days less. Even a

cup of coffee hurts.

When you notice things write them down. I feel tingling in my legs. I have

shooting pain in my legs. My back burns in my center back. I have sharp pain in

my back, and so forth. I am dizzy, sick to my stomach, anything that you notice

that is not normal. Keep a log. The more you can tell your doctor the more it

will help.

Try to work out something that can get your son settled before everyone leaves

in the mornings.

And be careful in the bathe. Easy to slip and jar yourself or fall and do more

damage.

Take care

jen <jennybonner13@...> wrote:

First place? No idea….lifestlye, too much lifting weight? Bodybuilding

then lifting a quadriplegic son over 13 years as he grows and grows….the

question always seems to be “did you have a car accident?” yup had a

few….not sure tho if one did anything and since I haven’t ever had anything

show up on any test….cant really say what caused it

The “flare”? had an SI joint injection two or three days prior to….first

thought was I had an infection – all tests neg. the only other thing was I

seeded my lawn the day before or that day? Not clear on that one. There

was no clear cut start to the pain just a build up to where I couldn’t sit,

walk, or lie on that butt cheek, couldn’t bear any weight….my husband took

me to the car in my sons wheelchair….as I laughed at the ridiculous

situation I instantly started to cry from the pain the laughing caused….my

kids were very confused.

My pain has steadily rose all day today. I did pilates two days

ago….thinking that the “core” workout would help strengthen my spine…I

didn’t do some of the exercises. When I got up to leave I had trouble

bearing weight again on that leg.

JP

Re:depression.-...

Oh Lordy, this is the first time I've responded to anyone on the list, but

your post compelled me to write. You didn't say how long you've had pain,

but if you've got a pain management doc, it's been long enough!

In answer to some of your Qs:

What do you guys do when the ones close to you are tired of hearing it?

Since chronic pain is impossible to really understand unless you've

experienced it, those around us can get sick of hearing us talk about

it...And truthfully, we can get immersed in our identities as " a person in

constant pain " . Use your spouse's comments as an opportunity to notice what

you say and how often you talk about your pain. Chances are, you've got a

" story " that you rely on to communicate to others. Do you use the same

phrases or jokes over and over? I got so I had a rap that I gave everyone,

and once I realized it, I toned it down.

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  • 8 months later...

Howdy All

I was feeling a bit depressed the other day, so I

called the Help Hotline.

I was put through to a 'call center' in Pakistan.

I explained that I was feeling suicidal.

They were very excited at this news and wanted to know

if I could

drive a truck or fly an airplane....

Spiritual freedom is my birthright.

I am a free thinker. I am able to rise above mental

prejudices and stereotypes of others.

I am a free thinker. Nobody and nothing can manipulate

me or deceive me.

I am a free thinker. I freely choose truth and love.

Today, I embrace a greater degree of spiritual

freedom.

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