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Jan, I don't have experience with Social Security disability, but have

heard plenty about the necessity of fighting them to get your due. I

seriously doubt that with a history like that you are not qualified, but

you may need help from your doctor and a good attorney.

No need to apologize for the length of your story. They always take longer

to write than to read.

I've lived with scoliosis my whole life, which wasn't a picnic, but I think

it must have been even worse for you to go from a carefree, athletic life

to being a surgical patient, and stuck in a cast just at the age when girls

are most vulnerable socially.

I'm sorry you're having such a hard time. I still do a lot of things, but,

related to the back or not, I gave up my beloved career as a piano teacher

due to chronic tendonitis. I actually 2-finger type all my posts, which is

nuts since I can touch-type quite well, but my hands can't take it.

Hang in there and know you are not alone.

Sharon in southern New Hampshire :^)

Congenital scoliosis w/ spina bifida and other vertebral anomalies

1971 fusion T5 to L4 w/ single Harrington rod

Flatback, congenital thoracolumbar kyphosis, L5-S1 degeneration, etc.

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Jan,

Just wanted to come in with the others & tell you we all understand. I too had a double curve and at 14yrs. old in 1969 I had Harrington rods. Then followed the 9 months in the plaster body cast -3 months totally bedridden, next 3 months stand up or lie down (not an easy feat!), Last 3 months some sitting but as the cast was up into my hairline & under my ears, etc that wasn't practical for long periods.

At 16 they removed the rods. About 15 yrs ago I learned that they usually leave them now as they learned that it's more dangerous to take them out. As much fusion as I have the lower curve has gradually become a 40deg curve and I don't know about the upper curve as it hasn't been x-rayed in 10yrs. or more. Now that I'm at the top of the hill I notice more pain, etc and just finished another round of PT.

I don't know how SSI could deny you but I'd fight.

Hang in there & again, WELCOME.

Joyce (Atlanta, GA)

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Jan, I'm sorry things are so bad. You definitely need to fight the SS rejection. There is a group for SI joints and there is a section within the archives of that group on getting SS. It seemed like valueable info.

Have you been to a pain specialist to see if the pain is strictly from your SI joint? I get steroid injections in mine (under floroscopy to make sure they get it in the joint space) and the fact that it brings temporary relief indicates that is where the pain is coming from, but regardless, pain specialists are as much diagnosticians for discovering the source of pain as they are for figuring out how to relieve it. If you don't mind me asking, who was your surgoen? Could he recommend someone. Now that they took the screw out, is the joint still fused without it? Judy

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Jan, I'm glad you found this group, You've certainly been through enough lately. And, yes, you can be on as many lists as you like. One caveat, if I may...be careful about information on SI joint manipulation in the event your SI joint is unfused. Having a fusion to the sacrum makes manipulation something that should be approached cautiously.

I'm also glad you see the pain specialist regularly. That may be your best help. About the tingling, yes, anything involving your arms would be from above your fusion and it's very common to have degeneration above the fusion. If it's any consolation, the general population seems to have a lot of problems with this as well. As far as your movement problems, if your SI joint is fused, your movement will be significantly restricted, and you should take great care not to over extend yourself. Why don't you do yourself a favor and give up the pantyhose? That must be exhausting! I gave up putting on pantyhose years ago, and haven't missed it. If I have to wear a skirt, I wear a long one and use kneelets. But I basically just wear dress pants to work. Jan, I can't stress enough to you that you should have a desk job or something that involves as little movement as possible. Maybe the SS office can find you an appropriate job while you're contesting their decision.

To tell you a little about myself, I'm Harrington fused to L5 and am putting off extending the fusion to the sacrum (and possible through the SI joint). I still work full time but am planning on state retirement for disability in two years. I'm single, and that won't be enough income, so I'm thinking of working a job that is maybe three days a week, but I haven't even begun to think about what that job might be. I have a master's in public admin, so maybe I'll go back to work for the fed. government (since I live in the DC area). On the other hand, I've just begun to check into what I would get if my retirement income is supplemented by SS. If need be, I'll hire an attorney.

So, you have a support group here and let me be one of many to welcome you!

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Becky,

Thanks for telling us your story. It helps to hear from others. I'm sorry you

had such a reaction. I took Allopurinol when I did Chlorambucil. I've been in

remission since July of last year. Well, not a full remission. My lymph nodes

continue to grow. You should go into a full remission.

Take care,

Lori

My story

I read and learned a lot from this group, so thought I'd share my

story, so far.

I was diagnosed with CLL 11/3/04 and was started on Allopurinol for

the gout symptoms that would result from chemo. I started Fludara the

week of 11/8. I developed a swollen gland infection around the end of

November, but it didn't stop me from doing the fludara again the week

of 12/3. A couple of days after that, I developed a really bad rash;

hives and then scabs all over my body. They gave me 5 days worth of

prednisolone, but that didn't work. My Onc sent me to a

dermatologist, and after taking the meds he prescribed me, I realized

from the timing of the pills and my reactions, I was allergic to the

Allopurinol. So I quit taking that and things started getting

better. Also had a hugh water retention problem during that time, so

was on water pills and potassium for a few days. All of this allergic

reaction posponed any chemo, and I also became anemic. I started

getting aranesp shots for this. Starting 1/31/05, I went on 8 weeks

of Rituxan. My lymph nodes were shrinking as hoped. I see my Onc this

coming Monday, 4/18, to see where we go from here. I think he wants

me to go on Rituxan maintenance starting this fall, but from what

I've read, the jury's out on this one, so I'm not too sure what to do.

While taking the Rituxan/Tylenol/benadryl/prednisolone the first

time, it took about 7.5 hours to do. I started having a bit of a

reaction around 200m, so they slowed it back down, and then I was

okay. The weeks after that, the whole routine took about 2-3 hours.

Because I only got the prednisolone once a week, I didn't swell up or

gain weight.

So I guess I'll be giving you all an update Monday evening on where

I'm at.

Becky

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Hi Barb,

I am sure you will hear from others who have similar pains. Perhaps

might give you possible doctor names to consider in your local

area. You said your last consult was with the " spinal cord

guy " ...does that mean you have consulted a neurologist and not a

orthopedic surgeon specializing in scoliosis,adult spinal deformity

and aging spine? I think that might be what you are looking for.

I am sure if you have read back on this site, and others, you have

seen there is a lot of diveristy of opinion about rods coming out.(In

fact I think posted a paper on her site but I couldn't open it!)

I believe you will have to find your way there by talking to people

and doctors you trust who have done/had the procedure. I have read

everything from the fact that it was relatively easy, straighforward

surgery to much more complicated than anticipated...and caused

problems down the road. I know in my surgeons case he tends to leave

the old rods in if he can...feeling that if they are not causing

problems (which in your case they may be) it is better to leave " well

enough " alone. Reading my surgical report from my revision, just to

expose the bottom 3 " which needed to come off for the new

hardware/osteotomy...it took a lot of chipping out old boney

overgrowth. I think that can be common with rods that have been in

since the '70's, as mine had.

I think it is a fair concern that you would like to know what the

future holds...and have some concerns. They key is getting to a doctor

that has seen enough of us " Harrington " folks to give you an idea of

what you can expect.

It doesn't sound to me like you have found that person yet. Advising

someone to come back once they are in a crisis situation (which

bowel/bladder problems can be) seems a little " cavalier " to me.

But hey, what do I know, I am just a patient like you! I will say you

should keep asking questions til you are at the bottom of it, and

satisified. Flatback and/or HARMS, if you have it, won't just go away

on their own.

Please keep us posted on your search, and ask any questions...There

are loads of members here who have a ton of experience going through

this.

Best of luck in your search. Cam

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My first surgery was done by Dr. Polly, who is now at the Twin Cities Spine

Center, and I can't say enough good things about him - I'd recommend him for a

follow up visit!

Carolyn

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Hi Barb...

You're in a great place in terms of having access to excellent

surgeons. Here's some to check out:

Glenn Buttermann - Stillwater

and, just about any of the doctors at Twin Cities Spine Center. Here

are a few whose names I see on research papers:

Francis Denis http://www.tcspine.com/physician.asp?id=2

Lonstein http://www.tcspine.com/physician.asp?id=4

ph Perra http://www.tcspine.com/physician.asp?id=6

Ensor Transfeldt http://www.tcspine.com/physician.asp?id=9

Regards,

> I had a spinal fusion with two harrington rods in 1972 at Gillette

> Hospital in st. , MN. Dr. Winter did the surgery. I have

> had no " Major " problems, except that I have severe pain in my neck at

> all times. I was told in about 1991 that I have degernerative discs in

> C3-4 and C5-6, right above where the second rod is. I am now 48 and

> quite functional, active, etc. I do water aerobics. I take Ibuprofen

> for the pain. In 1991 the doctor told me to come back if I was " having

> bowel and bladder problems " from my neck pain. This was the spinal

> cord doctor.

>

> Do I have other options? Shouls have my top rod removed. i have pain

> nowhere else....I fear getting older and it getting worse.... Any

> suggestions welcome. I live in st. , MN..

>

> Barb H.

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Hi Barb,

I live in Fargo, ND and I go to the Twin Cities Spine Center in

Minneapolis. I had my revision surgery done there and then a surgery

in November to remove the revision surgery hardware. I have been very

happy with them. If you are looking for another opinion that would be

a great place to start. I saw Dr. ph Perra.

> I had a spinal fusion with two harrington rods in 1972 at Gillette

> Hospital in st. , MN. Dr. Winter did the surgery. I have

> had no " Major " problems, except that I have severe pain in my neck at

> all times. I was told in about 1991 that I have degernerative discs

in

> C3-4 and C5-6, right above where the second rod is. I am now 48 and

> quite functional, active, etc. I do water aerobics. I take Ibuprofen

> for the pain. In 1991 the doctor told me to come back if I

was " having

> bowel and bladder problems " from my neck pain. This was the spinal

> cord doctor.

>

> Do I have other options? Shouls have my top rod removed. i have pain

> nowhere else....I fear getting older and it getting worse.... Any

> suggestions welcome. I live in st. , MN..

>

> Barb H.

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I don't know about anything else, but I would advise giving Singulair

a shot if you haven't - it can retard polyp growth. I know nothing

about alternative methods, but what I've discovered, when my nose is

just so irritatingly stuffed and I can't take it, is that an hour+

walk tends to relieve it, at least for a little bit. Sympathetic

effect, obviously, but it *does* help.

As for the headaches, I dunno. It's a problem I share. I take imitrex

for migraines (huge asthma side effects for me, though) and for

everything else, I endure. Sometimes, if I can force myself to do

yoga (and it can be excruciatingly painful in the midst of a

headache - worse than sitting still), the headaches will lessen and

be tolerable by the end of an hour or so. That sometimes averts a

migraine.

Good luck. :) I hope others have better suggestions. I would advise

probably not bothering with the low-salicylate diet. It's a pain and

I think it's only worked for, like, one of us.

Oh, and I'm sure you'll see the whole thing about irrigation. It

didn't work for me, but it seems like others are doing well with it.

>

> I've had samter's for about 25 years now and have suffered with

daily

> headaches and fatigue. I've had numerous surgeries to remove polyps

> but they grow back almost immediately. I used rhinocort and other

> preventive medications but the polyps continued to grow so about 6

> months ago I stopped using them and switched over to Sinufix spray

> from the health food store. It was a big step for me to get off of

the

> sinus medication. I constantly get sinus infections probably about

> every 2 months and have to go on antibiotics. My doctor does not

like

> to prescribe them but it is the only thing that helps me on a

> temporary basis. I've become so discourged with this disease. I do

> take Flovent daily to control the asthma. I also take darvocet for

> the headaches since I can't take aspirin products. Has anyone tried

> alternative methods to treat samters? I would appreciate some

> feedback. I'm so happy I found this group.

>

> Thanks.

>

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Hi, i know this is late, but I have had no sense of smell for 30 years. I heard

of a Kenalog shot and that is what I am doing now. I get it every 6 months and

it has helped and I am able to smell things now.

> >

> > I've had samter's for about 25 years now and have suffered with

> daily

> > headaches and fatigue. I've had numerous surgeries to remove polyps

> > but they grow back almost immediately. I used rhinocort and other

> > preventive medications but the polyps continued to grow so about 6

> > months ago I stopped using them and switched over to Sinufix spray

> > from the health food store. It was a big step for me to get off of

> the

> > sinus medication. I constantly get sinus infections probably about

> > every 2 months and have to go on antibiotics. My doctor does not

> like

> > to prescribe them but it is the only thing that helps me on a

> > temporary basis. I've become so discourged with this disease. I do

> > take Flovent daily to control the asthma. I also take darvocet for

> > the headaches since I can't take aspirin products. Has anyone tried

> > alternative methods to treat samters? I would appreciate some

> > feedback. I'm so happy I found this group.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

>

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my ent is giving me a nasal steriod/antibiotic nebulizer-headaches at first but they have really subsided-ive been on that about a month

can breathe through my nose with mouth closed...asthma somewhat controlled

i wheeze sometimes too

my stomach is what's bothering me over these past couple of weeks

do you ever have stomach aches ?

From: cd1962 <rosa1115@...>Subject: Re: my storysamters Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 5:06 PM

Hi, i know this is late, but I have had no sense of smell for 30 years. I heard of a Kenalog shot and that is what I am doing now. I get it every 6 months and it has helped and I am able to smell things now. > >> > I've had samter's for about 25 years now and have suffered with > daily> > headaches and fatigue. I've had numerous surgeries to remove polyps> > but they grow back almost immediately. I used rhinocort and other> > preventive medications but the polyps continued to grow so about 6> > months ago I stopped using them and switched over to Sinufix spray> > from the health food store. It was a big step for me to get off of > the> > sinus medication. I constantly get sinus infections probably about> > every 2 months and have to go on antibiotics. My doctor does not > like> > to prescribe them but it is the only thing that helps me on a> > temporary basis. I've become so discourged with this disease.

I do> > take Flovent daily to control the asthma. I also take darvocet for> > the headaches since I can't take aspirin products. Has anyone tried> > alternative methods to treat samters? I would appreciate some> > feedback. I'm so happy I found this group.> > > > Thanks.> >>

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It is very hard for me to really know what you have, but I think a lot of us have had some different stomach issues indirectly related. I think you should contact your doctor. Hope you feel better. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®From: Ogden Leonard <aio_cps@...>Sender: samters Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 15:20:29 -0700 (PDT)<samters >Reply samters Subject: Re: Re: my story my ent is giving me a nasal steriod/antibiotic nebulizer-headaches at first but they have really subsided-ive been on that about a monthcan breathe through my nose with mouth closed...asthma somewhat controlled i wheeze sometimes too my stomach is what's bothering me over these past couple of weeksdo you ever have stomach aches ?From: cd1962 <rosa1115@...>Subject: Re: my storysamters Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 5:06 PM Hi, i know this is late, but I have had no sense of smell for 30 years. I heard of a Kenalog shot and that is what I am doing now. I get it every 6 months and it has helped and I am able to smell things now. > >> > I've had samter's for about 25 years now and have suffered with > daily> > headaches and fatigue. I've had numerous surgeries to remove polyps> > but they grow back almost immediately. I used rhinocort and other> > preventive medications but the polyps continued to grow so about 6> > months ago I stopped using them and switched over to Sinufix spray> > from the health food store. It was a big step for me to get off of > the> > sinus medication. I constantly get sinus infections probably about> > every 2 months and have to go on antibiotics. My doctor does not > like> > to prescribe them but it is the only thing that helps me on a> > temporary basis. I've become so discourged with this disease.I do> > take Flovent daily to control the asthma. I also take darvocet for> > the headaches since I can't take aspirin products. Has anyone tried> > alternative methods to treat samters? I would appreciate some> > feedback. I'm so happy I found this group.> > > > Thanks.> >>

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agreed

thank you

From: cd1962 <rosa1115@...>Subject: Re: my storysamters Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 5:06 PM

Hi, i know this is late, but I have had no sense of smell for 30 years. I heard of a Kenalog shot and that is what I am doing now. I get it every 6 months and it has helped and I am able to smell things now. >

>> > I've had samter's for about 25 years now and have suffered with > daily> > headaches and fatigue. I've had numerous surgeries to remove polyps> > but they grow back almost immediately. I used rhinocort and other> > preventive medications but the polyps continued to grow so about 6> > months ago I stopped using them and switched over to Sinufix spray> > from the health food store. It was a big step for me to get off of > the> > sinus medication. I constantly get sinus infections probably about> > every 2 months and have to go on antibiotics. My doctor does not > like> > to prescribe them but it is the only thing that helps me on a> > temporary basis. I've become so discourged with this disease. I do> > take Flovent daily to control the asthma. I also take darvocet for> > the headaches since I can't take

aspirin products. Has anyone tried> > alternative methods to treat samters? I would appreciate some> > feedback. I'm so happy I found this group.> > > > Thanks.> >>

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Hi ,

OMG - I thought I had gone through the mill (like us all) but your case seems horrific too.

Sheila will be able to advise better than me - but I had similar issues and eventually went on cortisol to support my adrenals that were virtually non existent because of the 15 odd years of delay that caused my health to deteriorate even further. I had horrendous skin issues too as the immune system (via the adrenal glands) just collapsed.

Now you are at this site you will get the help you need.

Good luck

Best wishes

Mandy

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Hello and welcome to our forum where I sincerely hope you

at last get the help and support you deserve and need so badly.

I am going to jump straight in here and ask you to get an up to

date thyroid function test which should include TSH, free T4 and free T3. it

doesn't matter about getting your antibodies checked again, we only request

this test when a person has not shown any antibodies. Once you have them, they

remain until they have done the job they set out to do, and that is to destroy

your thyroid tissue completely.

You should also request that your doctor does the following

blood tests to see where your levels of ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3,

magnesium, folate copper and zinc lie. We ask for these because if any of them

are low in the reference range, no amount of thyroid hormone is able to be

fully utilised at cellular level until whatever mineral/vitamin is low, is

properly supplemented.

You also need to get tested to see whether you might be

suffering with low adrenal reserve or/and systemic candidiasis. Again, if you

are suffering with either of these (and I get you are suffering with one) the

thyroid hormone can't get into the cells in your body and brain to make them

function as they should.

Go to the FILES section which is accessible from the home page

of this forum here thyroid treatment

and click on FILES in the Menu. On the Page that opens, scroll down

(alphabetically) to the FILE entitled 'Medical Questionnaires' and complete all

the questions you see there in the Adrenal Questionnaire, the Candida

Questionnaire and the Magnesium Questionnaire and see how you score. Then go

the FOLDER 'Adrenals'

and in the list there, do the Adrenal Home Testing and let us know what

happens.

You can get the 24 hour salivary adrenal profile done to see

where your cortisol and DHEA levels lie at four specific times during the day.

This is important. The NHS only check your cortisol level if they suspect that

you are suffering with 's Disease (too little or no cortisol secretion)

or Cushing's Syndrome (too high a level of cortisol secretion) because they

don't recognise any shades of grey in-between - so we have to look after this

part of our health ourselves. If it is found you have low adrenal reserve, we

will tell you how to treat it and if it is found you are suffering with

Candida, we have lots of information about treating this too. If you need to

get tested privately, in our FILES section yet again, we have one FOLDER

entitled 'Discounts on Tests and Supplements' - open the one entitled 'Genova

Diagnostics' and follow the instructions there to claim your discount. You have

to tell Genova that Thyroid Patient Advocacy is your practitioner but the

results will be sent direct to you.

We do find that for those suffering symptoms of hypothyroidism

that once they have been forced by their 'uneducated in thyroid' doctor to take

their thyroid health into their own hands, that they get better themselves

where the NHS has left them suffering so unnecessarily for years and years. We

are here to help you if you decide to go down this road.

You need to eliminate other possible associated conditions that

is getting in the way of you regaining your normal health and first, I would go

to our web site www.tpa-uk.org.uk and

click on 'Hypothyroidism' and then click on 'Associated Conditions' in the drop

down Menu and read all you can about these.

When you go for your next thyroid function test, make absolutely

sure that you do not take any Erfa Thyroid for at least 24 hours before you

have your blood drawn, because the T3 has a very short half life and peaks in

the blood a couple to four hours after you have taken it - and your GP will

believe you are taking too much and going hyPERThyroid and try to get you back

onto thyroxine. You can take your Erfa straight after you have had your blood

drawn. You should treat according to how you feel, but in your case, I think

you must look into the possibility of adrenal fatigue and low mineral/vitamins

that need sorting first as these might be stopping your Erfa from working.

If you can get these results to us (together with the reference

range for each test done) and post them here, we can really start to give you

the help you so desperately need.

You can buy synthetic T4 and T3, plus natural desiccated thyroid

extract (i.e Armour Thyroid, Erfa Thyroid', Nature Throid, Westhroid, Thyroid-s

and 'Thiroyd' from Internet Pharmacies without prescription. We have a list of

such pharmacies in our FILES section. Scroll down to 'Internet Pharmacies'

Folder and you will find all the information you need there.

Luv - Sheila

I added ERFA in with the

thyroxine and i am feeling better and i was on 7 grains of ERFA with 175

mcg thyroxine and last month it was suggested that i cut my dose. I

removed half of a 25mcg of thyroxine with very bad results:- hair loss,

very bad belly swelling,skin bad, puffy eyes and lots more. So it would

seem to me that i should be increasing instead of reducing as i have no

signs of overactivity and indeed feel worse. I am going for a test on

the 28th March and will post results. I was hoping for some advice. I

was also wondering if i can get ERFA and thyroxine without a

prescription. This is a passed result with antibodies 22/05/2008:-

luv

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Sounds like you need to treat the Candida . I too had a

severe disability in trying to get out of bed, getting out of my armchair from

sitting, getting out of the car too. I had to stand for quite a quite until my

back had 'settled' and the pain started to lessen a little before even

attempting to walk. This was because there was no T3 getting into my cells and

causing my muscles to literally go into spasm.

We'll get you there .

Luv - Sheila

Dear Sheila

thank you for the prompt response i immediately burst into tears at the thought

there maybe some hope for me.I have looked at all these things but think i just

did not know where to start (properly because i know i am not thinking

straight). Amongst the many symptoms i forgot to mention is that i am very

stiff and can hardly walk from a sitting position, swollen hands but most

importantly i was diagnosed with type two diabetes in 2005 and after a quick

scan of your list the one thing that jumped out is that in the past couple of

years i have had a very bad sugar graving and can't stay away from the chocs

and sweets.

luv

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I find this site most helpful and appreciate everyone's posts.

After about 2 years of constant stuffiness, PND, intermittent asthma, bouts with

hives and after one surgery to remove polyps which returned, on combos of

Singulair, Nasocort, Advair, Budesonide and Astepro with little success, my

allergist suggested possibility of Samter's. He sent me to another Dr. who

does desensitization. That Dr. put me on Zyflo CR, and I remained on Advair,

Nasocort, Claritin and Budesonide (dripped directly into nostrils while laying

with head over edge of the bed), I finally started to improve. I began to

improve quickly and this Dr. is of the opinion (and I agree) that if we are able

to manage the condition with meds, we should hold of on desens.

After about 6 months I am off meds for asthma altogether and take daily Zyflo

CR, 1 Claritin, Nasocort (1 spray each nostril in am and 1 in pm), and

Budesonide (once or twice a day). I also do a nasal rinse with a Neti pot in

the morning with about a 1/2 capful of hydrogen peroxide, a 1/4 tsp of baking

soda and 1/4 teaspoon of salt. My ENT says she sees remainder of polyps but

they are greatly reduced, I can breathe, the PND is virtually gone. I was lucky

and didn't loose my SOS. My quality of life is hugely improved. I have tried

to keep track of foods that seem to trigger and avoid them. Sadly this includes

wine, beer and chocolate, but I feel so much better, I don't really miss them.

I am also trying to eat generally better, leaning toward an anti-inflammatory

diet. I have had a couple of polyp flare ups, usually when I have to travel. I

have been taking a day or 2 of Prednisone to reduce them along with my daily

meds, and I have been able to knock them back.

I agree with other posters that solutions seem to unique to each individual. In

my case, trial and error and keeping track of triggers have played a big part in

my getting to the point where I am. I only hope it continues.

I am fortunate to have health ins (at least for the time being) to cover much of

the cost of the Zyflo which is not cheap. Still, I am weighing the options of

maybe being on Zyflo for the rest of my life (I am 55) or trying desens and

being on aspirin for the rest of my life. At least it is cheaper. Since I seem

to be doing well on my current meds, I hate to rock the boat and risk return of

polyps.

Thanks again to all who post. The information here is invaluable and greatly

appreciated.

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Very helpful story Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 1, 2011, at 8:20 PM, "jennifer" <jbodenw@...> wrote:

I find this site most helpful and appreciate everyone's posts.

After about 2 years of constant stuffiness, PND, intermittent asthma, bouts with hives and after one surgery to remove polyps which returned, on combos of Singulair, Nasocort, Advair, Budesonide and Astepro with little success, my allergist suggested possibility of Samter's. He sent me to another Dr. who does desensitization. That Dr. put me on Zyflo CR, and I remained on Advair, Nasocort, Claritin and Budesonide (dripped directly into nostrils while laying with head over edge of the bed), I finally started to improve. I began to improve quickly and this Dr. is of the opinion (and I agree) that if we are able to manage the condition with meds, we should hold of on desens.

After about 6 months I am off meds for asthma altogether and take daily Zyflo CR, 1 Claritin, Nasocort (1 spray each nostril in am and 1 in pm), and Budesonide (once or twice a day). I also do a nasal rinse with a Neti pot in the morning with about a 1/2 capful of hydrogen peroxide, a 1/4 tsp of baking soda and 1/4 teaspoon of salt. My ENT says she sees remainder of polyps but they are greatly reduced, I can breathe, the PND is virtually gone. I was lucky and didn't loose my SOS. My quality of life is hugely improved. I have tried to keep track of foods that seem to trigger and avoid them. Sadly this includes wine, beer and chocolate, but I feel so much better, I don't really miss them. I am also trying to eat generally better, leaning toward an anti-inflammatory diet. I have had a couple of polyp flare ups, usually when I have to travel. I have been taking a day or 2 of Prednisone to reduce them along with my daily meds, and I have been able to knock them back.

I agree with other posters that solutions seem to unique to each individual. In my case, trial and error and keeping track of triggers have played a big part in my getting to the point where I am. I only hope it continues.

I am fortunate to have health ins (at least for the time being) to cover much of the cost of the Zyflo which is not cheap. Still, I am weighing the options of maybe being on Zyflo for the rest of my life (I am 55) or trying desens and being on aspirin for the rest of my life. At least it is cheaper. Since I seem to be doing well on my current meds, I hate to rock the boat and risk return of polyps.

Thanks again to all who post. The information here is invaluable and greatly appreciated.

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Dear Sha - your message almost made me cry - how many more times

do we have to read people's stories about the shockingly unbelievable treatment

they have handed out to them by doctors who have not been properly taught about

the functioning of the thyroid or what to do to make their patients well again,

or who have not bothered to keep their knowledge about thyroid matters up to

date. I am so pleased that you met up with who has so obviously put you on

the right road to regaining your health again, and once you find the cause for

your increased heart-rate, life should be fine and dandy.

I would actually write a letter to this idiot who calls himself

a doctor who believes that because your iron levels were OK in 2009 - they must

be OK now. What a Plonker.(with a capital 'P')

Send him a short and very much to the point letter and send a

copy of the letter to the Head of Practice too, and ask for the letter of

requests to be placed into your medical notes (keep a copy yourself in case you

need it at a later date).

In that letter, tell your doctor that because of the research

you have done using top medical journals, you have learnt that low levels of

specific minerals and vitamins can stop the thyroid hormone from being properly

utilised at the cellular level and that you would like these specific minerals

and vitamins tested. These are ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium,

folate, copper and zinc. Add in your letter just a few of the references to the

scientific research and studies that show this, and ask your GP to check them

out (see below***). Ask that your GP allows you access to these results when

they are returned together with the reference range for each of the tests done.

You can then post them here on the forum and we will help with their

interpretation. Most doctors, if your results are returned within the reference

range will tell you that you do not have a problem, but we need to know whether

the levels are at the bottom, the middle or the top of the reference range.

Post this letter to him rather than handing it over to him in

your letter to let you have his response in writing as a matter of urgency and

ask for an appointment to get your blood drawn for these tests.

Good luck.

*** Low iron/ferritin: Iron deficiency is shown to

significantly reduce T4 to T3 conversion, increase reverse T3 levels, and block

the thermogenic (metabolism boosting) properties of thyroid hormone (1-4).

Thus, iron deficiency, as indicated by an iron saturation below 25 or a

ferritin below 70, will result in diminished intracellular T3 levels. Additionally,

T4 should not be considered adequate thyroid replacement if iron deficiency is

present (1-4)).

1.

Dillman E, Gale C, Green W, et al.

Hypothermia in iron deficiency due to altered triiodithyroidine metabolism.

Regulatory, Integrative and Comparative Physiology 1980;239(5):377-R381.

2.

SM, PE, Lukaski HC. In

vitro hepatic thyroid hormone deiodination in iron-deficient rats: effect of

dietary fat. Life Sci 1993;53(8):603-9.

3.

Zimmermann MB, Köhrle J. The Impact of

Iron and Selenium Deficiencies on Iodine and Thyroid Metabolism: Biochemistry

and Relevance to Public Health. Thyroid 2002;12(10): 867-78.

4.

Beard J, tobin B, Green W. Evidence for

Thyroid Hormone Deficiency in Iron-Deficient Anemic Rats. J. Nutr.

1989;119:772-778.

Low

vitamin B12: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18655403

Low

vitamin D3: http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/abstract/113/3/329

and http://www.goodhormonehealth.com/VitaminD.pdf

Low

magnesium: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC292768/pdf/jcinvest00264-0105.pdf

Low

folate: http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/47/9/1738

and http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/thy.1999.9.1163

Low 

copper http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm

http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm

http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm

http://www.rjpbcs.com/pdf/2011_2(2)/68.pdf

http://ajplegacy.physiology.org/content/171/3/652.extract

Low zinc:http://www.istanbul.edu.tr/ffdbiyo/current4/07%20Iham%20AM%C4%B0R.pdf

and http://articles.webraydian.com/article1648-Role_of_Zinc_and_Copper_in_Effective_Thyroid_Function.html

Ferritin

levels for women need to be between 100 and 130 according to Dr's Broda

and Datis Kharrazian (for men around between 150 and 170)

Vitamin

B12 needs to be at the top of the range. D3 levels need to be about 50.  Magnesium

levels need to be at the top of the range,.

Luv

- Sheila

I am still having issues with the heart rate we are still tweaking but now

starting to wonder if my iron levels are not right, but my gp is not helpful on

this matter and said they did a mcv in 2009 and it was all fine and no need to

do anymore testing on that.

I know i will get well its just finding other things that might cause this

heart rate , T3 is definately for me but its no easy road.

i NEVER believed totally i had m.e or fibromyalgia i always had a gut feeling

it was the thyroid.

Any help on what i could be lacking to cause the heart rate would be helpful,

but and i are now thinking iron.

i've tried to keep this concise but i wanted to put in what i think started it

and where i am at now.

love Sha xxxxxx

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oooo chris look at this

ACTH is probably deficient

Aldosterone is probably deficient

Calcitocin is possibly deficient

Cortisol is probably deficient

DHEA is probably deficient

EPO is possibly deficient

Estrogen is probably deficient

Growth Hormone is probably deficient

Insulin is probably deficient

Melatonin is probably deficient

Pregnenolone is probably deficient

Progestrerone is possibly deficient, if you are menturating or post-menopausal

woman on HRT

is possibly deficient, if you are post-menopausal woman not on HRT

Testosterone is probably deficient, if you are a woman

is possibly deficient, if you are a man

Thyroid Hormones is probably deficient

Vasopressin is probably deficient

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Tinnitus can be also caused by low B12

>

>

> Ahh......tinnitus is the magic word !!!! Tinnitus sufferers are notorious for

having low magnesium levels. I used to have a bit of tinnitus many years ago

before I went on the iodine protocol. The iodine protocol calls for 400 mgs of

magnesium a day. At that time I had also read *The Magnesium Factor* which clued

me into to lack of magnesium causing tinnitus.....

>

> It went away after I started supplementing......

>

> Cheers,

> JOT

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>

>

>

> > Hi Jot

> > I;m doing so well on T3 but something is holding me back ! i have tinnitus

all the time , dizziness but have just been told its all part of the illness and

lifes a bitch.

>

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