whooping cough

[Guest guest]

At 05:12 AM 5/7/2007 -0000, you wrote:

>My 5 month old son has not been vaccinated at all, we do not plan to. I

>believe he may have the beginnings of whooping cough, not for sure, I

>would have to have his doctor do culture tests and/or blood work to

>know for sure. However, I was wondering if anyone new of a holistic or

>homeopathic approach to dealing with whooping cough. Thanks.

>

>Leigh Anne

I would have a homeopath for support

and I will send info on possible remedies that would be helpful

Why do you think he has whooping cough?

Sheri

>

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[Guest guest]

Colloidal silver is a remedy. It is known to kill over 650 known bacteria and

viruses. It will do so within 2 to 6 min of contact. Just key the name in on

google and read for your self. Don't be taken in by the claim that it will turn

your skin blue. I've been using it for at least 15 yrs with never any side

effects.

It's available at your local vitamin shop or health food store.

Joe

Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: At

05:12 AM 5/7/2007 -0000, you wrote:

>My 5 month old son has not been vaccinated at all, we do not plan to. I

>believe he may have the beginnings of whooping cough, not for sure, I

>would have to have his doctor do culture tests and/or blood work to

>know for sure. However, I was wondering if anyone new of a holistic or

>homeopathic approach to dealing with whooping cough. Thanks.

>

>Leigh Anne

I would have a homeopath for support

and I will send info on possible remedies that would be helpful

Why do you think he has whooping cough?

Sheri

>

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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

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Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

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[Guest guest]

Hi ph:

While you say that you have never had any side effects, I think it's fair to

say that there can be side effects, as every person is different and it is

possible to have side effects -- correct?

I have never taken it, so I'm asking, not making a statement.

Thanks

ph McGuire <kingcop@...> wrote:

Colloidal silver is a remedy. It is known to kill over 650 known

bacteria and viruses. It will do so within 2 to 6 min of contact. Just key the

name in on google and read for your self. Don't be taken in by the claim that it

will turn your skin blue. I've been using it for at least 15 yrs with never any

side effects.

It's available at your local vitamin shop or health food store.

Joe

Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: At 05:12 AM 5/7/2007 -0000, you

wrote:

>My 5 month old son has not been vaccinated at all, we do not plan to. I

>believe he may have the beginnings of whooping cough, not for sure, I

>would have to have his doctor do culture tests and/or blood work to

>know for sure. However, I was wondering if anyone new of a holistic or

>homeopathic approach to dealing with whooping cough. Thanks.

>

>Leigh Anne

I would have a homeopath for support

and I will send info on possible remedies that would be helpful

Why do you think he has whooping cough?

Sheri

>

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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

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Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

For some truth in jurnalism go to:

http://www.thenewamerican.com

Also visit:http://www.moosewoodart.com/pages/1/index.htm

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[Guest guest]

I am not for sure that he does have whooping cough. He has had a lot

of congestion and a runny nose for about a month now, gets a little

better then worse again. He is exclusively breastfeed and non-

vaccinated. We have used humidifier, steamy shower, essential oils,

massage(I am a massage therapist), chiropractic adjustments(my

husband and I are both chiropractic students), and a few

homeopathies. He has never ran a fever, he had roseola about 2 weeks

ago, got over that within 2 days. However, in the past few days he

has developed a cough, not constant, but when he does cough it is

deep and airy. The cough doesn't last long, maybe a few seconds with

2-4 consecutive coughs, then he's fine. It might be due to drainage

from his nasal congestion, but when I heard the deep, airy cough, I

wanted to have a back up plan in case he does develop whooping cough.

Any suggestions would be great. Thanks

Leigh Anne

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> I would have a homeopath for support

> and I will send info on possible remedies that would be helpful

>

> Why do you think he has whooping cough?

> Sheri

>

> >

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> Vaccine Dangers On-Line course -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

[Guest guest]

Being that he is 5 months old and exclusively breastfed, I am not sure

what homeopathies would be best to administer. I don't what to harm his

digestive track or give him something that is too strong and hard on

his body to metabolize.

Leigh Anne

[Guest guest]

At 06:27 AM 5/7/2007 -0700, you wrote:

>Colloidal silver is a remedy. It is known to kill over 650 known bacteria

and viruses. It will do so within 2 to 6 min of contact. Just key the

name in on google and read for your self. Don't be taken in by the claim

that it will turn your skin blue. I've been using it for at least 15 yrs

with never any side effects.

>It's available at your local vitamin shop or health food store.

>Joe

The idea is NOT to kill bacteria or viruses.

Why use something against something that may be necessary - bacteria or

viruses.

Lots of people have had vaccines with no side effects, they think, either.

Sheri

>

>

>Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

At 05:12 AM 5/7/2007 -0000, you wrote:

> >My 5 month old son has not been vaccinated at all, we do not plan to. I

> >believe he may have the beginnings of whooping cough, not for sure, I

> >would have to have his doctor do culture tests and/or blood work to

> >know for sure. However, I was wondering if anyone new of a holistic or

> >homeopathic approach to dealing with whooping cough. Thanks.

> >

> >Leigh Anne

>

> I would have a homeopath for support

> and I will send info on possible remedies that would be helpful

>

> Why do you think he has whooping cough?

> Sheri

>

> >

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> Vaccine Dangers On-Line course -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

>

>

>

>

>

>

>For some truth in jurnalism go to:

>http://www.thenewamerican.com

>Also visit:http://www.moosewoodart.com/pages/1/index.htm

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

At 03:56 PM 5/7/2007 -0000, you wrote:

>Being that he is 5 months old and exclusively breastfed, I am not sure

>what homeopathies would be best to administer. I don't what to harm his

>digestive track or give him something that is too strong and hard on

>his body to metabolize.

>

>Leigh Anne

Homeopathy isn't like that - doesn't do harm to digestive track or is too

strong to metabolize.

It doesn't sound like whooping cough to me - he would be much sicker.

Can you see a homeopath? Where do you live?

Sheri>

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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

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Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

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http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

[Guest guest]

I live in Irving, TX 75063

I would definately go to a homeopath, I just don't know of one in my

area. Any referral?

Leigh Anne

> >Being that he is 5 months old and exclusively breastfed, I am not

sure

> >what homeopathies would be best to administer. I don't what to

harm his

> >digestive track or give him something that is too strong and hard

on

> >his body to metabolize.

> >

> >Leigh Anne

>

> Homeopathy isn't like that - doesn't do harm to digestive track or

is too

> strong to metabolize.

> It doesn't sound like whooping cough to me - he would be much

sicker.

>

> Can you see a homeopath? Where do you live?

> Sheri>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> Vaccine Dangers On-Line course -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

>

[Guest guest]

It's good to be concerned and watch your kids for any signs of upper

respiratory illness. Maybe increase their Vitamin C & D intake as a

precaution but I GUARANTEE the vaccine is not going to 100% protect

anyone! I know this because I work in a Children's Hospital and there

was just a " scare " as one of the MA's was just diagnosed with it,

everyone freaked out (i.e. occupational health), everyone was wearing

masks if they'd been with in three feet of this person, they swabbed

people and started them on antibiotics. I bet there's not one person in

the " exposure " who has not had the dtap vaccine, probably more than

once. Your husband has most likely had pertussis and didn't know it.

Giving your children the vaccine NOW won't protect them, it's a multi

step vaccine that most likely won't work anyways. My son's not

vaccinated and I work with kids all the time, I'm confident in his

immune system and our naturapath to help him through anything. Stand

strong, be firm, and get some real information on pertussis to show

your husband and MIL. Pertussis is not the scary disease it was 100

years ago, it's just not. Hope this helps~doris

[Guest guest]

This has just landed in my inbox.

So I wonder where Mr Ratbags got my address from - I don't post on any fora

other than these two lists, my own list and my expats board - under

another ID, of course.

Must be an infiltrator on one of these lists...what a surprise!

Anyone else been fortunate enough to get a message?

Sue x

-- Whooping cough

Congratulations. You must be very pleased that your work is achieving the

expected results.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25169413-23289,00.html

> Whooping cough kills baby

> Adam Cresswell | March 11, 2009

> A FOUR-WEEK-OLD girl in northern NSW has died in intensive care after

> contracting whooping cough, sparking official alarm over a worsening

> epidemic of the disease.

--

Bowditch

The Millenium Project - http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles

Australian Council Against Health Fraud - http://www.acahf.org.au

Australian Skeptics - http://www.skeptics.com.au

..

[Guest guest]

Don't respond. It will make him crazy not knowing if you got it. There's nothing

you can say that will have a better effect than that. What a creep.

Winnie

Whooping cough

>

> Congratulations. You must be very pleased that your work is

> achieving the

> expected results.

>

> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25169413-23289,00.html

>

> > Whooping cough kills baby

>

> > Adam Cresswell | March 11, 2009

>

> > A FOUR-WEEK-OLD girl in northern NSW has died in intensive

> care after

> > contracting whooping cough, sparking official alarm over a worsening

> > epidemic of the disease.

>

> --

> Bowditch

> The Millenium Project - http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles

> Australian Council Against Health Fraud - http://www.acahf.org.au

> Australian Skeptics - http://www.skeptics.com.au

>

>

>

> .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't dream of dignifying it with a reply. This man is truly evil. He

has said some dreadful things about Sheri in the past. He has no soul....

Sue x

-- Re: Fw: Whooping cough

Don't respond. It will make him crazy not knowing if you got it. There's

nothing you can say that will have a better effect than that. What a creep.

Winnie

Whooping cough

>

> Congratulations. You must be very pleased that your work is

> achieving the

> expected results.

>

> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25169413-23289,00.html

>

> > Whooping cough kills baby

>

> > Adam Cresswell | March 11, 2009

>

> > A FOUR-WEEK-OLD girl in northern NSW has died in intensive

> care after

> > contracting whooping cough, sparking official alarm over a worsening

> > epidemic of the disease.

>

> --

> Bowditch

> The Millenium Project - http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles

> Australian Council Against Health Fraud - http://www.acahf.org.au

> Australian Skeptics - http://www.skeptics.com.au

>

>

>

> .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree - I have never replied to this jerk (after the first email I

got when I had no idea who he was.). Don't waste your time - he is

only a big pharma mole in any case. Know however that there are spies

from his organisation on this and every other vaccination email list

so discussions about him will reach him. Just ignore him and his

minions.

Thanks,

Meryl

On 12/03/2009, at 12:24 PM, Sue wrote:

> I wouldn't dream of dignifying it with a reply. This man is truly

> evil. He

> has said some dreadful things about Sheri in the past. He has no

> soul....

>

> Sue x

>

> -- Re: Fw: Whooping cough

>

> Don't respond. It will make him crazy not knowing if you got it.

> There's

> nothing you can say that will have a better effect than that. What a

> creep.

>

> Winnie

>

> Whooping cough

> >

> > Congratulations. You must be very pleased that your work is

> > achieving the

> > expected results.

> >

> > http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25169413-23289,00.html

> >

> > > Whooping cough kills baby

> >

> > > Adam Cresswell | March 11, 2009

> >

> > > A FOUR-WEEK-OLD girl in northern NSW has died in intensive

> > care after

> > > contracting whooping cough, sparking official alarm over a

> worsening

> > > epidemic of the disease.

> >

> > --

> > Bowditch

> > The Millenium Project - http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles

> > Australian Council Against Health Fraud - http://www.acahf.org.au

> > Australian Skeptics - http://www.skeptics.com.au

> >

> >

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hm... this is the first I've heard of this particular " ratbag " . LOL

I was certain you must be eluding to Offit... the king of the ratbags!

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:01 PM, meryl@... <meryl@...> wrote:

> I agree - I have never replied to this jerk (after the first email I

> got when I had no idea who he was.). Don't waste your time - he is

> only a big pharma mole in any case. Know however that there are spies

> from his organisation on this and every other vaccination email list

> so discussions about him will reach him. Just ignore him and his

> minions.

>

> Thanks,

> Meryl

[Guest guest]

He's been on AVN before and probably has spies here.

Sheri

At 12:21 AM 3/12/2009, you wrote:

>This has just landed in my inbox.

>

>So I wonder where Mr Ratbags got my address from - I don't post on any fora

>other than these two lists, my own list and my expats board - under

>another ID, of course.

>

>Must be an infiltrator on one of these lists...what a surprise!

>

>Anyone else been fortunate enough to get a message?

>

>Sue x

>

>-- Whooping cough

>

>Congratulations. You must be very pleased that your work is achieving the

>expected results.

>

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w.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25169413-23289,00.html

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>

> > Whooping cough kills baby

>

> > Adam Cresswell | March 11, 2009

>

> > A FOUR-WEEK-OLD girl in northern NSW has died in intensive care after

> > contracting whooping cough, sparking official alarm over a worsening

> > epidemic of the disease.

>

>--

> Bowditch

>The Millenium Project -

><http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles>http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles

>Australian Council Against Health Fraud -

><http://www.acahf.org.au>http://www.acahf.org.au

>Australian Skeptics - <http://www.skeptics.com.au>http://www.skeptics.com.au

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I consider it a badge of honor to be mentioned on his list.

Sheri

At 01:24 AM 3/12/2009, you wrote:

>I wouldn't dream of dignifying it with a reply. This man is truly evil. He

>has said some dreadful things about Sheri in the past. He has no soul....

>

>Sue x

>

>-- Re: Fw: Whooping cough

>

>Don't respond. It will make him crazy not knowing if you got it. There's

>nothing you can say that will have a better effect than that. What a creep.

>

>Winnie

>

> Whooping cough

> >

> > Congratulations. You must be very pleased that your work is

> > achieving the

> > expected results.

> >

> >

>

<http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25169413-23289,00.html>http://www\

..theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25169413-23289,00.html

>

> >

> > > Whooping cough kills baby

> >

> > > Adam Cresswell | March 11, 2009

> >

> > > A FOUR-WEEK-OLD girl in northern NSW has died in intensive

> > care after

> > > contracting whooping cough, sparking official alarm over a worsening

> > > epidemic of the disease.

> >

> > --

> > Bowditch

> > The Millenium Project -

> <http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles>http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles

> > Australian Council Against Health Fraud -

> <http://www.acahf.org.au>http://www.acahf.org.au

> > Australian Skeptics -

> <http://www.skeptics.com.au>http://www.skeptics.com.au

> >

> >

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Media hype.

Winnie

whooping cough

Vaccinations

> Any thoughts on the whooping cough vaccine?

>

> I read that since many parents are opting out of vaccines, there

> has been a rise on the number of children getting the infection.

>

>

> thank you

> andora

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is one of the most ineffective vaccines, most of the kids getting whooping

cough were " fully vaccinated " so it is useless. They are just trying to scare

people into thinking they need vax and they don't. Plus little babies around

completely unvaxed people will not get whooping cough (older kids might, but

they'll recover and do okay).

--Kate

Mommy to Rebekah, 1-26-08

Baby #2 due 7-26-09...it's a BOY!

www.rctdiapers.webs.com

>

> Any thoughts on the whooping cough vaccine?

>

> I read that since many parents are opting out of vaccines, there has been a

rise on the number of children getting the infection.

>

> thank you

> andora

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Andora --

My DS had a severe allergic reaction to his first DPT shot -- thankfully

he's fine, and that was the last. But years later he had a persistent cough

so I took him to the Pediatrician, turns out he had whooping cough. I was

surprised because DS had been practicing and playing HS lacrosse everyday

and had been coughing for probably close to a month!

Anyway the Ped commented that DS was probably the only patient he had that

had whooping cough who was not vaxed for it -- it was going around and

dozens of kids had it - all fully vaxed.

Best of Health,

*Isn't it better to be safe, than sorry...

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On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Andora Rruka Stanton <arruka@...>wrote:

> Any thoughts on the whooping cough vaccine?

>

> I read that since many parents are opting out of vaccines, there has been a

> rise on the number of children getting the infection.

>

> thank you

> andora

[Guest guest]

> Any thoughts on the whooping cough vaccine?

>

> I read that since many parents are opting out of vaccines, there

> has been a rise on the number of children getting the infection.

>

>

> thank you

> andora

Only that the vaccine is a menace!

The outbreaks historically, usually, occur in the vaccinated, so the vaccine

isn't guaranteed to offer any protection. Also, it is very hard to know where

the truth lies - sometimes if the symptoms aren't too severe in the vaccinated,

they can fob the parents off with an asthma diagnosis. If your child has been

vaccinated and has a persistent 100 day cough, ask for the lab work to be done

so s/he doesn't get stuck on the very profitable (to pHARMa)  inhaled

steroid/antibiotic/vasodilator carousel for life. 

Vitamins A, C & E help to prevent most so-called bacterial infections/illnesses

so if the dietary groundwork has been done by the parents, even before

conception, there shouldn't be a problem. However, we are only taught a kind of

fragmented form of " nutrition " AFTER conception, when it's too late. Check out

Dr Blaylock's books, lectures, published papers.

http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/

The pertussin component appears to be the most reactive. Before the acellular

version was introduced, we were never told that it was unsafe, even when our son

sustained brain injury. We were later told 1:1,000,000 might be injured and it

was made to sound that was the number of children vaccinated,  NOT the number of

jabs given. (I think 3 jabs were given then over the first year of life - don't

know as we never allowed another DPT jab.) That means that even if their silly

statistic was valid, that reduces to 1:333,333 children.

Strangely our local paper noted 44 cases of brain injury following DPT

vaccination over a 5 year period (total pop was about 3.5 million) - these are

the ones for which the taxpayer paid and the pHARMa companies paid not a bean! 

Many more parents' applications for " accident " compensation were turned down, or

their files were " lost " . Someone was even caught shredding a child's file!

Year after year, as we turned up at the casualty dept of the local hospital, or

as a day patient for numerous tests, we made sure NO VACCINES was written all

over our son's chart. It was nurses who would sidle up and ask if it was the

whooping cough vaccine that " did it " . So while the dr's were busy denying, the

nurses were quietly observing the truth. Some would offer advice on the quiet,

even homoeopathy and naturopathy!

Then the acellular was introduced and the drug pushers gave the game away - this

one is MUCH safer they said. Oh really???? Yeah right!

Mara

[Guest guest]

Is there a link to a website or something with more concrete info about cases of

whooping cough happening mostly in fully vaxed people?  I absolutely believe

this to be true, but I have a couple friends/family that always argue with me

and I just don't have anything to back myself up.  I actually have a friend who

says she vaccinates because she is " so afraid that with all the people not

vaxing nowadays that these diseases are going to start coming back " , she

obviously hasn't done much research to see that most if not all of the diseases

are pretty mild and treatable.  It is so frustrating to talk to people that have

no clue, I wish I was more able to back myself up.

From: Kate <ktietje85@...>

Subject: Re: whooping cough

Vaccinations

Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 9:49 AM

This is one of the most ineffective vaccines, most of the kids getting

whooping cough were " fully vaccinated " so it is useless. They are just trying

to scare people into thinking they need vax and they don't. Plus little babies

around completely unvaxed people will not get whooping cough (older kids might,

but they'll recover and do okay).

--Kate

Mommy to Rebekah, 1-26-08

Baby #2 due 7-26-09...it' s a BOY!

www.rctdiapers. webs.com

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[Guest guest]

Those kinds of people only believe stats from the CDC type sources. You can run

yourself ragged trying to find info and they just won't believe it.

I think the best thing to show them would be articles on supposed outbreaks that

also include whether the people were vaxed. It's not scientific at all but it

might make an impression. When they don't mention if they're vaxed, you can be

sure they were because if they weren't it would be in the headlines.

For some reason, people will pooh-pooh anti-vaccine websites or literature but

if the media reports something, it's credible in their eyes. You can google to

find old articles. Here's one:

http://in.reuters.com/article/health/idINTON77779320080107

Whooping cough outbreak primarily affects teens

Tue Jan 8, 2008 3:06am IST

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - In a 2003-2004 outbreak of whooping cough in Fond du

Lac County, Wisconsin, most cases were diagnosed in adolescents, although adults

had more severe disease, public health officials report in the Archives of

Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine for January.

After the first cases were reported to the Fond du Lac Health Department in late

July 2003, the origin of the outbreak of whooping cough, also referred to as

pertussis, was traced to a high-school weight room that was used before the

school year started.

" Enhanced surveillance for pertussis, contact identification, diagnostic

testing, treatment, and antibiotic prophylaxis were initiated in the community, "

Dr. P. , of the Wisconsin Division of Public Health in Madison, and

colleagues report. Individuals who were infected were requested to stay home

during the first 5 days of antibiotic treatment.

The first phase of the outbreak peaked during mid-June to mid-August, but

between October and early December, the number of cases again rose sharply, with

substantial transmission to adults and children in the community.

Overall, 71 percent of infected patients were between 10 and 19 years of age.

Fourteen percent of the cases occurred in patients who were 2 months to 9 years

of age and 15 percent occurred in adults. The two infants with pertussis

required hospitalization. Adults reported a higher frequency of exacerbations

and vomiting than did adolescents.

and colleagues note that patients were diagnosed with pertussis at all 20

public schools in the county.

In most cases, vaccination histories were up to date to the standards at that

time, 84 percent having received at least five doses. However, it wasn't until

2005 that pertussis booster vaccines were licensed for use in teenagers and

adults.

" This labor- and resource-intensive outbreak highlights potential benefits of

pertussis booster vaccination among adolescent and adult populations, " the

authors conclude.

SOURCE: Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine, January 2008.

Winnie

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The doctors gave my son antibiotics when I took him in for whooping cough. I had

already researched it, so I knew what it was. It was a 10day something - but I

don't remember what they gave him.

peace...

Margaret

i blog: http://theybelongtous.wordpress.com

i show off my kids: http://www.flickr.com/photos/monkeygrrl9

Whooping Cough

OK so this one in particular since it's a bacterial infection right???

Anyway, doesn't this one possibly require antibiotics or not really? I don't

believe in antibiotics but if my child had a serious bacterial infection I'd

consider them, I took them myself a few years ago for a pussy sore throat and

once for a bladder infection that wouldn/t go away on it's own...

BUt anyway, so I've talked to others on other message boards, others had had

whooping cough within the past few years, their kids, and they weren't too bad,

a couple others who's babies had it (one was 6 months, one was 6 weeks), they

had it really bad, the long time not breathing from coughing, turning blue,

needing to be in the hospital and those were exclusively breastfed, so that I

think it what's scaring me.....

[Guest guest]

When DS had whooping cough we skipped the antibiotics and did the nutrition

route.

Although he did have a rescue inhaler just in case... (he was playing and

practicing lacrosse daily despite the cough).

Best of Health,

*Isn't it better to be safe, than sorry...*

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On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 9:11 AM, kristi3003@... <

kristi3003@...> wrote:

> OK so this one in particular since it's a bacterial infection right???

> Anyway, doesn't this one possibly require antibiotics or not really? I don't

> believe in antibiotics but if my child had a serious bacterial infection I'd

> consider them, I took them myself a few years ago for a pussy sore throat

> and once for a bladder infection that wouldn/t go away on it's own...

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> had whooping cough within the past few years, their kids, and they weren't

> too bad, a couple others who's babies had it (one was 6 months, one was 6

> weeks), they had it really bad, the long time not breathing from coughing,

> turning blue, needing to be in the hospital and those were exclusively

> breastfed, so that I think it what's scaring me.....

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Dr. --ugh. I hate her. Here's an article which says public health officials think the group most affected (Latinos) have extended families, so are in contact with more people, and also under-immunized: ( http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/2010/07/28/whooping-cough-epidemic-exposes-holes-in-californias-immunization-system/)

Interestingly, this article says none of the deaths occurred in northern CA: (http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-06-05/bay-area/21658509_1_whooping-cough-pertussis-vaccine)

Not a lot of info on the particular cases where they died. I would not do anything special just over this. There is disease everywhere. Just feed your kids as best as you can, limit the junk, make sure they get sufficient sunshine/Vit. D and sleep, and keep your natural med chest filled with goodies to help you if they get sick.

Winnie Whooping CoughVaccinations > So on the Today Show this morning, Dr. Sniderman was > putting fear into Americans by saying that Pertussis is on the > rise, mostly due in part to families in pockets of Northern CA > who do not/limit vaccinate. > We live in Nor CA and we stopped vaccinating at 6 mos (my son > had 3 rounds of DTAP among a few others before I wised up and > stopped vaccinating all together...he's now 2)...anyways, she > was saying that there were 1500 reported cases and 6 confirmed > deaths. > Now on FB, a few people I know have commented on their fears of > a WC epidemic and pushing to vax. > Does anyone know what the actual stats are and any info on the > cases of the babies who died...weakened immune systems, > previously vaxed or not. > Any info to get me started would be good. > Also, what recommendations might you have to avoiding this > upcoming "epidemic"? > Thanks, > Dara> >