whooping cough

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Diphtheria & Tetanus Toxoids & Pertussis vaccine (DTwP, Tri-Immunol, Acel-Imune,

Tripedia) & Haemophilus Influenzae Type B Conjugate (Tetramune)B

These viruses are inactivated and safe for CLL patients. Two shots are required,

however how much protection a CLL patient will develop is dependent on the

immune system's ability to produce antibodies.

~chris

>

> It seems some states, California included, are going through a whooping

> cough epidemic. I know the tetanus shot is OK, but what about the the other

> two in the DPT booster that is being recommended for everyone over 15. Is

> any part of this " live " ?

>

> Thanks

> Pat

>

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"Unfortunately the cases that we've had have been immunized and so we're not really sure how it's being spread so well and so fast, but we are investigating that right now."

Idiots. I commented.

Winnie whooping coughKara Tomashek , vaccinations > > Just saw this on the local news last night. > > the transcript : > http://www.wkbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=14310640 > > the video : http://video.wkbt.com/watch.php?id=21817> > ... ALL 12 confirmed cases of whooping cough are in children who > were immunized. > > (On the side, I think it's funny how they use the words > vaccinated and immunized interchangeably. If they were immune > to whooping cough, then they wouldn't have gotten it. Just > because a person is vaccinated doesn't mean they are immune!) > >

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At 06:00 AM 3/24/2011, you wrote:

Just saw this on the local news

last night.

the transcript :

http://www.wkbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=14310640

the video :

http://video.wkbt.com/watch.php?id=21817

.... ALL 12 confirmed cases of whooping cough are in children who were

immunized.

(On the side, I think it's funny how they use the words vaccinated and

immunized interchangeably. If they were immune to whooping cough,

then they wouldn't have gotten it. Just because a person is

vaccinated doesn't mean they are immune!)

good find

and yes, immunization is not an accurate word

Sheri

Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian

Homeopath

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For me it's a no brainer not to vaccinate for whooping cough because from what I have read the recent illnesses are from a new strain, a new "superbug" that has formed that the current vaccine doesn't touch. CameronFrom: cclan397 <refinersfire97@...>Vaccinations Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 12:20 PMSubject: Whooping Cough

Hi everyone, I really need your help to strengthen my resolve to not vaccinate my kids. I am a mom of 4 and we haven't vaccinated our kids since our youngest was born who is now 4 years old. (My oldest is the only one who was fully vaccinated). I have been pretty confident of our decision to stop vaccinating the kids. However, the recent whooping cough illnesses has been making me nervous. Two of my kids have asthma and one of them always ends up having bad vomiting spells when she gets sick with a cold. The vomiting spells often keep her from eating for 2 to 3 days and a couple of time she has been hospitalized for dehydration. So, I am really scared of what whooping cough would do if my kids get infected by it. I just found out this weekend that our friend's kids have the whooping cough and have been sick for at least 50 days now. Hearing that whooping cough is now close to home I am really getting nervous for my kids. A part of me

is thinking if I vaccinate them then they wouldn't have to go through that terrible sickness. It is hard enough to see my daughter sick with a common cold and vomit so much that I just can't imagine how she would handle an even worse sickness. I want to do what is right for my kids.

[Guest guest]

I thought I saw on the news that a lot of those who had it during the outbreaks had been vaxed for it?Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®From: Cameron <camimeg@...>Sender: Vaccinations Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:27:27 -0700 (PDT)Vaccinations <Vaccinations >Reply Vaccinations Subject: Re: Whooping Cough For me it's a no brainer not to vaccinate for whooping cough because from what I have read the recent illnesses are from a new strain, a new "superbug" that has formed that the current vaccine doesn't touch. CameronFrom: cclan397 <refinersfire97@...>Vaccinations Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 12:20 PMSubject: Whooping Cough Hi everyone, I really need your help to strengthen my resolve to not vaccinate my kids. I am a mom of 4 and we haven't vaccinated our kids since our youngest was born who is now 4 years old. (My oldest is the only one who was fully vaccinated). I have been pretty confident of our decision to stop vaccinating the kids. However, the recent whooping cough illnesses has been making me nervous. Two of my kids have asthma and one of them always ends up having bad vomiting spells when she gets sick with a cold. The vomiting spells often keep her from eating for 2 to 3 days and a couple of time she has been hospitalized for dehydration. So, I am really scared of what whooping cough would do if my kids get infected by it. I just found out this weekend that our friend's kids have the whooping cough and have been sick for at least 50 days now. Hearing that whooping cough is now close to home I am really getting nervous for my kids. A part of meis thinking if I vaccinate them then they wouldn't have to go through that terrible sickness. It is hard enough to see my daughter sick with a common cold and vomit so much that I just can't imagine how she would handle an even worse sickness. I want to do what is right for my kids.

[Guest guest]

I am not knowledgeable enough to tell you what to do in your situation, but I will tell you that I would never vaccinate my son for anything and that when they had an outbreak at my son's preschool earlier this year, only vaccinated kids got it.

Whooping Cough

Hi everyone, I really need your help to strengthen my resolve to not vaccinate my kids. I am a mom of 4 and we haven't vaccinated our kids since our youngest was born who is now 4 years old. (My oldest is the only one who was fully vaccinated). I have been pretty confident of our decision to stop vaccinating the kids. However, the recent whooping cough illnesses has been making me nervous. Two of my kids have asthma and one of them always ends up having bad vomiting spells when she gets sick with a cold. The vomiting spells often keep her from eating for 2 to 3 days and a couple of time she has been hospitalized for dehydration. So, I am really scared of what whooping cough would do if my kids get infected by it. I just found out this weekend that our friend's kids have the whooping cough and have been sick for at least 50 days now. Hearing that whooping cough is now close to home I am really getting nervous for my kids. A part of me is thinking if I vaccinat e them then they wouldn't have to go through that terrible sickness. It is hard enough to see my daughter sick with a common cold and vomit so much that I just can't imagine how she would handle an even worse sickness. I want to do what is right for my kids.

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I can't tell you things to use but I know there are people on this site that can tell you homeopathic remedies to use for any sickness.   Best wishes.   ConnieOn Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:00 PM, <Kelloggs263@...> wrote:

 

I am not knowledgeable enough to tell you what to do in your situation, but I will tell you that I would never vaccinate my son for anything and that when they had an outbreak at my son's preschool earlier this  year, only vaccinated kids got it. 

Whooping Cough

  Hi everyone, I really need your help to strengthen my resolve to not vaccinate my kids. I am a mom of 4 and we haven't vaccinated our kids since our youngest was born who is now 4 years old. (My oldest is the only one who was fully vaccinated). I have been pretty confident of our decision to stop vaccinating the kids. However, the recent whooping cough illnesses has been making me nervous. Two of my kids have asthma and one of them always ends up having bad vomiting spells when she gets sick with a cold. The vomiting spells often keep her from eating for 2 to 3 days and a couple of time she has been hospitalized for dehydration. So, I am really scared of what whooping cough would do if my kids get infected by it. I just found out this weekend that our friend's kids have the whooping cough and have been sick for at least 50 days now. Hearing that whooping cough is now close to home I am really getting nervous for my kids. A part of me is thinking if I vaccinat e them then they wouldn't have to go through that terrible sickness. It is hard enough to see my daughter sick with a common cold and vomit so much that I just can't imagine how she would handle an even worse sickness. I want to do what is right for my kids.

[Guest guest]

Nine of the ten who died were too young for the vaccine and died because the doctors at the ER/urgent care never bothered to think to test for pertussis. With all of the faith doctors have in their potions, they never think that anyone would be ill from one of those illnesses. In med school, how many of them are ever trained to diagnose a clinical case of pertussis let alone measles, mumps, rubella, polio, or chicken pox. Doctors under the age of 50 have never been trained to diagnose such diseases; that is how most of them disappeared. They simply do not recognize a case that is in front of them. ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: "K05CORNE@..." <K05CORNE@...>Vaccinations Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 9:29 AMSubject: Re: Whooping Cough

I thought I saw on the news that a lot of those who had it during the outbreaks had been vaxed for it?Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®From: Cameron <camimeg@...>

Sender: Vaccinations

Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:27:27 -0700 (PDT)Vaccinations <Vaccinations >Reply Vaccinations

Subject: Re: Whooping Cough

For me it's a no brainer not to vaccinate for whooping cough because from what I have read the recent illnesses are from a new strain, a new "superbug" that has formed that the current vaccine doesn't touch. CameronFrom: cclan397 <refinersfire97@...>Vaccinations Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 12:20

PMSubject: Whooping Cough

Hi everyone, I really need your help to strengthen my resolve to not vaccinate my kids. I am a mom of 4 and we haven't vaccinated our kids since our youngest was born who is now 4 years old. (My oldest is the only one who was fully vaccinated). I have been pretty confident of our decision to stop vaccinating the kids. However, the recent whooping cough illnesses has been making me nervous. Two of my kids have asthma and one of them always ends up having bad vomiting spells when she gets sick with a cold. The vomiting spells often keep her from eating for 2 to 3 days and a couple of time she has been hospitalized for dehydration. So, I am really scared of what whooping cough would do if my kids get infected by it. I just found out this weekend that our friend's kids have the whooping cough and have been sick for at least 50 days now. Hearing that whooping cough is now close to home I am really getting nervous for my kids. A part of me

is thinking if I vaccinate them then they wouldn't have to go through that terrible sickness. It is hard enough to see my daughter sick with a common cold and vomit so much that I just can't imagine how she would handle an even worse sickness. I want to do what is right for my kids.

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Ask a friend, I can advise you based on my own references and research to use sodium ascorbate to bowel tolerance and to use vitamin A if you suspect a pertussis type illness. There is also now parapertussis. ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: "Kelloggs263@..." <Kelloggs263@...>Vaccinations Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 10:00 AMSubject: Re: Whooping Cough

I am not knowledgeable enough to tell you what to do in your situation, but I will tell you that I would never vaccinate my son for anything and that when they had an outbreak at my son's preschool earlier this year, only vaccinated kids got it.

Whooping Cough

Hi everyone, I really need your help to strengthen my resolve to not vaccinate my kids. I am a mom of 4 and we haven't vaccinated our kids since our youngest was born who is now 4 years old. (My oldest is the only one who was fully vaccinated). I have been pretty confident of our decision to stop vaccinating the kids. However, the recent whooping cough illnesses has been making me nervous. Two of my kids have asthma and one of them always ends up having bad vomiting spells when she gets sick with a cold. The vomiting spells often keep her from eating for 2 to 3 days and a couple of time she has been hospitalized for dehydration. So, I am really scared of what whooping cough would do if my kids get infected by it. I just found out this weekend that our friend's kids have the whooping cough and have been sick for at least 50 days now. Hearing that whooping cough is now close to home I am really getting nervous for my kids. A part of me is

thinking if I vaccinat e them then they wouldn't have to go through that terrible sickness. It is hard enough to see my daughter sick with a common cold and vomit so much that I just can't imagine how she would handle an even worse sickness. I want to do what is right for my kids.

[Guest guest]

That's scary my 4 2 and 7 mon are not vaxed at all Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®From: maureen gradvohl <mrsvoltaire@...>Sender: Vaccinations Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 11:10:41 -0700 (PDT)Vaccinations <Vaccinations >Reply Vaccinations Subject: Re: Whooping Cough Nine of the ten who died were too young for the vaccine and died because the doctors at the ER/urgent care never bothered to think to test for pertussis. With all of the faith doctors have in their potions, they never think that anyone would be ill from one of those illnesses. In med school, how many of them are ever trained to diagnose a clinical case of pertussis let alone measles, mumps, rubella, polio, or chicken pox. Doctors under the age of 50 have never been trained to diagnose such diseases; that is how most of them disappeared. They simply do not recognize a case that is in front of them. ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: "K05CORNE@..." <K05CORNE@...>Vaccinations Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 9:29 AMSubject: Re: Whooping Cough I thought I saw on the news that a lot of those who had it during the outbreaks had been vaxed for it?Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®From: Cameron <camimeg@...>Sender: Vaccinations Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:27:27 -0700 (PDT)Vaccinations <Vaccinations >Reply Vaccinations Subject: Re: Whooping Cough For me it's a no brainer not to vaccinate for whooping cough because from what I have read the recent illnesses are from a new strain, a new "superbug" that has formed that the current vaccine doesn't touch. CameronFrom: cclan397 <refinersfire97@...>Vaccinations Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 12:20PMSubject: Whooping Cough Hi everyone, I really need your help to strengthen my resolve to not vaccinate my kids. I am a mom of 4 and we haven't vaccinated our kids since our youngest was born who is now 4 years old. (My oldest is the only one who was fully vaccinated). I have been pretty confident of our decision to stop vaccinating the kids. However, the recent whooping cough illnesses has been making me nervous. Two of my kids have asthma and one of them always ends up having bad vomiting spells when she gets sick with a cold. The vomiting spells often keep her from eating for 2 to 3 days and a couple of time she has been hospitalized for dehydration. So, I am really scared of what whooping cough would do if my kids get infected by it. I just found out this weekend that our friend's kids have the whooping cough and have been sick for at least 50 days now. Hearing that whooping cough is now close to home I am really getting nervous for my kids. A part of meis thinking if I vaccinate them then they wouldn't have to go through that terrible sickness. It is hard enough to see my daughter sick with a common cold and vomit so much that I just can't imagine how she would handle an even worse sickness. I want to do what is right for my kids.

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A couple of comments: one, I think most of us have felt this, even fleetingly. Two, if your children's immune systems are already such that they have asthma, the last thing you need to do is make it worse by injecting them with toxins on purpose, no matter what your reason is.

But most important is your statement here: "A part of me is thinking if I vaccinate them then they wouldn't have to go through that terrible sickness."

You are assuming the vaccine will work. Even the manufacturers and doctors won't promise that. But it won't at all. And, believe me, you don't want to go through the terrible sickness that vaccine-injured children go through, either--if they live. The pertussis vaccine is one of the deadliest vaccines, right up there with the Hep. B.

Here's what I would do. Buy this book (cheaper than a vaccine!): (http://www.amazon.com/Shot-Dark-H-Coulter/dp/089529463X). Keep in mind this is from decades ago so you might learn things that have been long forgotten, like (I believe it's in this book) when Wyeth's DPT vaccine had children dropping like flies and a pattern was noticed because it was clustered in one area, what was their response?

They just stopped shipping large quantities from the same lot so it would be more difficult for a pattern of side effects to be discovered. They split the lots and shipped them all over precisely to evade detection. They now sell DTaP because it's "safer" but they said the DPT was safe, too. I know. I gave it to my older children.

As long as you believe vaccines work, though, you will feel this ambivalence. It's normal. Just do your research and you'll come to realize the full truth.

FYI--I also have four children. The oldest two were only partially vaxed as babies. The other two never had a pertussis shot. Only the youngest got pertussis. Why didn't the others get it? It wasn't from the vaccine.

Winnie Whooping CoughVaccinations > Hi everyone, I really need your help to strengthen my resolve to > not vaccinate my kids. I am a mom of 4 and we haven't > vaccinated our kids since our youngest was born who is now 4 > years old. (My oldest is the only one who was fully vaccinated). > I have been pretty confident of our decision to stop > vaccinating the kids. However, the recent whooping cough > illnesses has been making me nervous. Two of my kids have > asthma and one of them always ends up having bad vomiting spells > when she gets sick with a cold. The vomiting spells often keep > her from eating for 2 to 3 days and a couple of time she has > been hospitalized for dehydration. So, I am really scared of > what whooping cough would do if my kids get infected by it. I > just found out this weekend that our friend's kids have the > whooping cough and have been sick for at least 50 days now. > Hearing that whooping cough is now close to home I am really > getting nervous for my kids. A part of me is thinking if I > vaccinate them then they wouldn't have to go through that > terrible sickness. It is hard enough to see my daughter sick > with a common cold and vomit so much that I just can't imagine > how she would handle an even worse sickness. I want to do what > is right for my kids.> >

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cclan397,

My daughter had whooping cough (confirmed) at the age of 1 (she had it around

her birthday). I am not going to say that I wasn't scared for her, especially

seeing her during her coughing spells (the worst ones were during the night).

She got through it fine. Reading about what your daughter goes through is

probably worse than what whooping cough does (at least from my experience). My

daughter only vomited after she had a coughing spell, immediately after eating.

Whooping cough is most dangerous for babies under 6 months of age, I see that

your kids are well out of the danger zone. You mentioned that your friends'

kids have had the whooping cough for at least 50 days. The worst part of

whooping cough (the paroxysmal stage) doesn't usually last that long, I think my

daughters lasted MAYBE 2-3 weeks. My husband had whooping cough at the same

time my daughter did (he actually infected her), his cough was more annoying

than anything else. My husband was fully vaccinated as a child, which proves

that vaccines either don't work or wear off quickly. I, on the other hand, was

fully vaccinated as a child, never had whooping cough and did not get infected

at the time my husband and daughter had it (my daughter coughed in my face many

times). This also shows that not everyone will get the disease.

Like I mentioned above, your kids are well beyond the age where whooping cough

may pose a threat. Good luck with your decision.

>

> Hi everyone, I really need your help to strengthen my resolve to not vaccinate

my kids. I am a mom of 4 and we haven't vaccinated our kids since our youngest

was born who is now 4 years old. (My oldest is the only one who was fully

vaccinated). I have been pretty confident of our decision to stop vaccinating

the kids. However, the recent whooping cough illnesses has been making me

nervous. Two of my kids have asthma and one of them always ends up having bad

vomiting spells when she gets sick with a cold. The vomiting spells often keep

her from eating for 2 to 3 days and a couple of time she has been hospitalized

for dehydration. So, I am really scared of what whooping cough would do if my

kids get infected by it. I just found out this weekend that our friend's kids

have the whooping cough and have been sick for at least 50 days now. Hearing

that whooping cough is now close to home I am really getting nervous for my

kids. A part of me is thinking if I vaccinate them then they wouldn't have to

go through that terrible sickness. It is hard enough to see my daughter sick

with a common cold and vomit so much that I just can't imagine how she would

handle an even worse sickness. I want to do what is right for my kids.

>

[Guest guest]

#1 - NO vaccine gives immunity ever

You can't get immunity from having pertussis so how can you have it from

a vaccine.

So you really have no choice

Everyone needs to realize this - vaccinating will NOT prevent pertussis

necessarily

Good health will or will make the disease not as severe.

Homeopathy helps all ease through this.

Sheri

listowner

Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian

Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA

Vaccines -

http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ Homeopathy

http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com

Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy

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So are tetanus & pertussis the only two that you can't get natural immunity from having a natural case of?Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 3, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...> wrote:

#1 - NO vaccine gives immunity ever

You can't get immunity from having pertussis so how can you have it from

a vaccine.

So you really have no choice

Everyone needs to realize this - vaccinating will NOT prevent pertussis

necessarily

Good health will or will make the disease not as severe.

Homeopathy helps all ease through this.

Sheri

listowner

Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian

Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA

Vaccines -

http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ Homeopathy

http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com

Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy

Online/email courses - next classes start September 9

[Guest guest]

Diphtheria too, . All of the so-called toxin-mediated diseases.You can also still carry and transmit all of these diseases even if you are not sick with them and if you have recently recovered from them which is yet one more reason why herd immunity in this case at least, doesn't work.On 04/08/2011, at 11:42 AM, wrote:

So are tetanus & pertussis the only two that you can't get natural immunity from having a natural case of?Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 3, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...> wrote:

#1 - NO vaccine gives immunity ever

You can't get immunity from having pertussis so how can you have it from

a vaccine.

So you really have no choice

Everyone needs to realize this - vaccinating will NOT prevent pertussis

necessarily

Good health will or will make the disease not as severe.

Homeopathy helps all ease through this.

Sheri

listowner

Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian

Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA

Vaccines -

http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ Homeopathy

http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com

Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy

Online/email courses - next classes start September 9

[Guest guest]

I feel the herd theory of vaccination is a lot of hooey.When my husband was in stage 4 of dying from cancer, I was told to keep all recently vaccinated children away from him. If the vaccines protect the herd, why wasn't my husband part of that herd? No one vaccine was mentioned. All vaccines. All recently vaccinated children. Since my children are not vaccinated it was not a problem. Furthermore, why doesn't the Mexican resistance to the bad water protect the visitors to their country from contracting the turista? Where is the herd immunity there? If the majority of Mexican natives have immunity to the turista, why can't visitors to their country benefit from

that?The only time I ever was confronted with the herd theory of immunity was when it was clear that I was not going to be persuaded by the science of vaccination, so I was going to be shamed into it. No deal. Both ways do not work. I think I posted this before, delete it if I have. ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: Meryl Dorey <meryl@...>Vaccinations Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 7:42

PMSubject: Re: Whooping Cough

Diphtheria too, . All of the so-called toxin-mediated diseases.You can also still carry and transmit all of these diseases even if you are not sick with them and if you have recently recovered from them which is yet one more reason why herd immunity in this case at least, doesn't work.On 04/08/2011, at 11:42 AM, wrote:

So are tetanus & pertussis the only two that you can't get natural immunity from having a natural case of?Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 3, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...> wrote:

#1 - NO vaccine gives immunity ever

You can't get immunity from having pertussis so how can you have it from

a vaccine.

So you really have no choice

Everyone needs to realize this - vaccinating will NOT prevent pertussis

necessarily

Good health will or will make the disease not as severe.

Homeopathy helps all ease through this.

Sheri

listowner

Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian

Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA

Vaccines -

http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ Homeopathy

http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com

Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy

Online/email courses - next classes start September 9

[Guest guest]

I didn't know that. I thought it was just tetanus! I see I still have a lot to learn.

Anyway, one more reason the whooping cough vaccine is a scam. I am more thoroughly disgusted than ever considering what a dangerous vaccine the pertussis one is.

Winnie Re: Whooping CoughVaccinations > Diphtheria too, . All of the so-called toxin-mediated diseases.> > You can also still carry and transmit all of these diseases even > if you are not sick with them and if you have recently recovered > from them which is yet one more reason why herd immunity in this > case at least, doesn't work.> > > On 04/08/2011, at 11:42 AM, wrote:> > > > > So are tetanus & pertussis the only two that you can't get > natural immunity from having a natural case of?> > > > Sent from my iPhone> > > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Sheri Nakken > wrote:> > > >> > >> #1 - NO vaccine gives immunity ever> >> You can't get immunity from having pertussis so how can you > have it from a vaccine.> >> > >> So you really have no choice> >> Everyone needs to realize this - vaccinating will NOT prevent > pertussis necessarily> >> Good health will or will make the disease not as severe.> >> Homeopathy helps all ease through this.> >> > >> Sheri> >> listowner> >> > >> Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath > >> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA> >> Vaccines - http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ > Homeopathy http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com> >> Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy > Online/email courses - next classes start September 9> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

more on the herd theory

http://www.wellwithin1.com/herdimmunity.htm

my webpages

Sheri

listowner

At 09:42 PM 8/3/2011, you wrote:

I feel the herd theory of

vaccination is a lot of hooey.

When my husband was in stage 4 of dying from cancer, I was told to keep

all recently vaccinated children away from him. If the vaccines

protect the herd, why wasn't my husband part of that herd? No one

vaccine was mentioned. All vaccines. All recently vaccinated

children. Since my children are not vaccinated it was not a

problem.

Furthermore, why doesn't the Mexican resistance to the bad water protect

the visitors to their country from contracting the turista? Where

is the herd immunity there? If the majority of Mexican natives have

immunity to the turista, why can't visitors to their country benefit from

that?

The only time I ever was confronted with the herd theory of immunity was

when it was clear that I was not going to be persuaded by the science of

vaccination, so I was going to be shamed into it. No deal.

Both ways do not work.

I think I posted this before, delete it if I have.

~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~

From: Meryl Dorey <meryl@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 7:42 PM

Subject: Re: Whooping Cough

Diphtheria too, . All of the so-called toxin-mediated

diseases.

You can also still carry and transmit all of these diseases even if you

are not sick with them and if you have recently recovered from them which

is yet one more reason why herd immunity in this case at least, doesn't

work.

On 04/08/2011, at 11:42 AM, wrote:

So are tetanus & pertussis the only two that you can't get natural

immunity from having a natural case of?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Sheri Nakken

<vaccinedangers@...

> wrote:

#1 - NO vaccine gives immunity ever

You can't get immunity from having pertussis so how can you have it from

a vaccine.

So you really have no choice

Everyone needs to realize this - vaccinating will NOT prevent pertussis

necessarily

Good health will or will make the disease not as severe.

Homeopathy helps all ease through this.

Sheri

listowner

Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA

Vaccines -

http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ Homeopathy

http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com

Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy

Online/email courses - next classes start September

9

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well, if you can believe them

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15876927

Pediatr Infect Dis

J. 2005 May;24(5 Suppl):S58-61.

Duration of immunity against pertussis after natural infection or

vaccination.

Wendelboe AM,

Van Rie A,

Salmaso S,

Englund JA.

SourceDepartment of Epidemiology, University of North

Carolina-Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, NC 27599, USA.

awendelboe@...

AbstractDespite decades of high vaccination coverage,

pertussis has remained endemic and reemerged as a public health problem

in many countries in the past 2 decades. Waning of vaccine-induced

immunity has been cited as one of the reasons for the observed

epidemiologic trend. A review of the published data on

duration of immunity reveals estimates that infection-acquired immunity

against pertussis disease wanes after 4-20 years and protective immunity

after vaccination wanes after 4-12 years. Further research

into the rate of waning of vaccine-acquired immunity will help determine

the optimal timing and frequency of booster immunizations and their role

in pertussis control.

Sheri

listowner

At 09:55 PM 8/3/2011, you wrote:

I didn't know that. I thought it

was just tetanus! I see I still have a lot to learn.

Anyway, one more reason the whooping cough vaccine is a scam. I am more

thoroughly disgusted than ever considering what a dangerous vaccine the

pertussis one is.

Winnie

Re: Whooping Cough

Vaccinations

> Diphtheria too, . All of the so-called toxin-mediated

diseases.

>

> You can also still carry and transmit all of these diseases even

> if you are not sick with them and if you have recently recovered

> from them which is yet one more reason why herd immunity in this

> case at least, doesn't work.

>

>

> On 04/08/2011, at 11:42 AM, wrote:

>

> >

> > So are tetanus & pertussis the only two that you can't get

> natural immunity from having a natural case of?

> >

> > Sent from my iPhone

> >

> > On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Sheri Nakken

> wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> #1 - NO vaccine gives immunity ever

> >> You can't get immunity from having pertussis so how can you

> have it from a vaccine.

> >>

> >> So you really have no choice

> >> Everyone needs to realize this - vaccinating will NOT

prevent

> pertussis necessarily

> >> Good health will or will make the disease not as

severe.

> >> Homeopathy helps all ease through this.

> >>

> >> Sheri

> >> listowner

> >>

> >> Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> >> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington

State, USA

> >> Vaccines -

http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/

> Homeopathy

http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com

> >> Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy

> Online/email courses - next classes start September 9

> >

> >

>

>

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It is thought that we have permanent immunity to measles, mumps, rubella

& chickenpox, after experiencing the illness.

But there is some concern now that chickenpox requires constant exposure

to it out there in the world to maintain that immunity. Not sure if

it might not be the same for the others. Who really knows -

everything has gotten all mucked up with the propaganda that is said to

be research out there.

But being born in 1950 and growing up then; my mom being a peds nurse; me

graduating RN school in 1971 - what was common thought then BEFORE

vaccines was that you had permanent natural immunity to measles, mumps,

rubella & chickenpox, after experiencing the illness (before the

propanganda machine took over)

As far as diphtheria goes - so rare and I don't know

all the other vaccines - meningitis vaccines HIB, Prevnar, Men C -

meningitis appears in the vaccinated in most cases and new strains

appearing all the time, or menigitis blamed on strains not in the

vaccines vaccinated with.

Sheri

So are tetanus & pertussis

the only two that you can't get natural immunity from having a natural

case of?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Sheri Nakken

<vaccinedangers@...

> wrote:

#1 - NO vaccine gives immunity ever

You can't get immunity from having pertussis so how can you have it from

a vaccine.

So you really have no choice

Everyone needs to realize this - vaccinating will NOT prevent pertussis

necessarily

Good health will or will make the disease not as severe.

Homeopathy helps all ease through this.

Sheri

listowner

Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA

Vaccines -

http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/ Homeopathy

http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com

Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy

Online/email courses - next classes start September

9

[Guest guest]

4-12 years, 4-20 years. They just make these numbers up.

Winnie Re: Whooping Cough> >Vaccinations > >> > > Diphtheria too, . All of the so-called toxin-mediated > diseases.> >> > > You can also still carry and transmit all of these diseases even> > > if you are not sick with them and if you have recently recovered> > > from them which is yet one more reason why herd immunity in this> > > case at least, doesn't work.> > >> > >> > > On 04/08/2011, at 11:42 AM, wrote:> > >> > > >> > > > So are tetanus & pertussis the only two that you can't get> > > natural immunity from having a natural case of?> > > >> > > > Sent from my iPhone> > > >> > > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Sheri Nakken> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >>> > > >> #1 - NO vaccine gives immunity ever> > > >> You can't get immunity from having pertussis so how can you> > > have it from a vaccine.> > > >>> > > >> So you really have no choice> > > >> Everyone needs to realize this - vaccinating will NOT prevent> > > pertussis necessarily> > > >> Good health will or will make the disease not as severe.> > > >> Homeopathy helps all ease through this.> > > >>> > > >> Sheri> > > >> listowner> > > >>> > > >> Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath> > > >> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington > State, USA> > > >> Vaccines - http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/> > > Homeopathy http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com> > > >> Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy> > > Online/email courses - next classes start September 9> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

That's what they do best...make up numbers & statistics. Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 4, 2011, at 9:53 AM, wharrison@... wrote:

4-12 years, 4-20 years. They just make these numbers up.

Winnie Re: Whooping Cough> >Vaccinations > >> > > Diphtheria too, . All of the so-called toxin-mediated > diseases.> >> > > You can also still carry and transmit all of these diseases even> > > if you are not sick with them and if you have recently recovered> > > from them which is yet one more reason why herd immunity in this> > > case at least, doesn't work.> > >> > >> > > On 04/08/2011, at 11:42 AM, wrote:> > >> > > >> > > > So are tetanus & pertussis the only two that you can't get> > > natural immunity from having a natural case of?> > > >> > > > Sent from my iPhone> > > >> > > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Sheri Nakken> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >>> > > >> #1 - NO vaccine gives immunity ever> > > >> You can't get immunity from having pertussis so how can you> > > have it from a vaccine.> > > >>> > > >> So you really have no choice> > > >> Everyone needs to realize this - vaccinating will NOT prevent> > > pertussis necessarily> > > >> Good health will or will make the disease not as severe.> > > >> Homeopathy helps all ease through this.> > > >>> > > >> Sheri> > > >> listowner> > > >>> > > >> Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath> > > >> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington > State, USA> > > >> Vaccines - http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/> > > Homeopathy http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com> > > >> Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy> > > Online/email courses - next classes start September 9> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> >>

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I don't know much about Diptheria, just wanted to say I had an uncle who died of it at the age of 8, they called it black diptheria, in 1938. There would have been 4 other children in the house at the time, ranging in age about 12 to about 2 and no one ever says those kids had it too. They had to have a sign on their door and were quarintined, though i don't know for how long. I know they were dirt poor and other kids were sickly at different times.

Wish I had more to contribute, but I didn't listen to stuff as attently when there were people around to ask ques to...

Diane

[Guest guest]

One problem with diphtheria was the way it was treated... the process of the disease involved heavy mucus; the treatment was spooning the victim warm milk?! That is just wrong. Diphtheria almost always involved the very poor also, so perhaps it was from malnutrition. ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: diane <dianslad@...>"Vaccinations " <Vaccinations >Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 4:31 AMSubject: Re: Whooping Cough

I don't know much about Diptheria, just wanted to say I had an uncle who died of it at the age of 8, they called it black diptheria, in 1938. There would have been 4 other children in the house at the time, ranging in age about 12 to about 2 and no one ever says those kids had it too. They had to have a sign on their door and were quarintined, though i don't know for how long. I know they were dirt poor and other kids were sickly at different times.

Wish I had more to contribute, but I didn't listen to stuff as attently when there were people around to ask ques to...

Diane

[Guest guest]

That was my first thought when I read they were dirt poor. I have a relative who died from whooping cough at age 5 back around 1880, my grandmother's sister. She had been a preemie and they were also very poor, so no doubt her health was not good.

Winnie Re: Whooping Cough> > > > I don't know much about Diptheria, just wanted to say I had an > uncle who died of it at the age of 8, they called it black > diptheria, in 1938. There would have been 4 other children in > the house at the time, ranging in age about 12 to about 2 and no > one ever says those kids had it too. They had to have a sign on > their door and were quarintined, though i don't know for how > long. I know they were dirt poor and other kids were sickly at > different times.> > Wish I had more to contribute, but I didn't listen to stuff as > attently when there were people around to ask ques to...> > Diane>