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[Guest guest]

Aletha, a large portion of children with autism are considered to also be

mentally retarded but you can have one or the other or both. They are not

the same thing. There are many Ph.Ds with some form of autism that are

certainly not retarded. Truthfully your neighbor boy sounded like he just

might be autistic. Our Evan does not flapp his arms but he does make

strange noises. They also told us that he was mentally retarded. I know

that he is very much behind his brothers.....but then they do not have

autism. Your aunt is way off base.

Betty

----- Original Message -----

From: " Aletha " <Reejay62@...>

> Hi guys...I have a question that I hope someone can clear up for me.

> My aunt

> felt that autism was really a " camoflauged " term for retardation.

> She compared it to being " slow " .

>

> When I was a little girl, I lived next door to a boy named Eddie who

> was considered retarded. He would walk around all day flapping his

> arms around, and would make strange noises. I was the only neighbor

> who would play with him, because all the other kids in the

> neighborhood wouldn't. I felt compassion for him. He was 15.

[Guest guest]

Autism is NOT retardation (I don't like that word - terms like learning

disability / developmental disability / developmental delay are much more

acceptable in Europe).

In cases of mental retardation, such as is seen in Down Syndrome, there is an

underlying weakness in the cognitive abilities of the person i.e. they are just

not equipped to do certain things. It is possible to educate people with this

sort of problem to live more indepently and so on, but the underlying problem

will always remain. They can workl around it to a greater or lesser extent, but

it will always hold them back in some way.

In Autism, on the other hand, it IS possible to 'fix' the problems for the

person. Things like ABA can teach the person behaviours that are not present, or

reduce the incidence of inappropriate behaviours etc. It is very possible to

help the person to become 'normal'. Obviously they will still be autistic, but

they won't suffer (for want of a better word) because of it.

Basically, in mental retardation, something is broken. In Autism, it just works

differently.

Eoghan.

Aletha <Reejay62@...> wrote:Hi guys...I have a question that I hope

someone can clear up for me.

My aunt and I was talking on the phone last week, and we were

talking about the subject of my 4-year-old son and autism. She

felt that autism was really a " camoflauged " term for retardation.

She compared it to being " slow " . When I first started educating

myself on autism when was first diagnosed, I was warned about

people who would give their personal, uneducated opinions about the

subject...what they thought caused it, home remedies for cures, etc.

I even had one woman tell me that was autistic because I had

him at a " late age " (I was 35 at the time). Of course I keep in mind

that these people had never had any personal experiences with

autism, nor knew anyone that did. But I was so upset about what my

aunt had said, I could even say that I was insulted and hurt. Now

I'm wondering if there is any truth to it? Is there a thin line

between the two?

When I was a little girl, I lived next door to a boy named Eddie who

was considered retarded. He would walk around all day flapping his

arms around, and would make strange noises. I was the only neighbor

who would play with him, because all the other kids in the

neighborhood wouldn't. I felt compassion for him. He was 15.

My son does alot of things that remind me of Eddie. Just last

month he started having this " obsession " with my ELBOW...yep you

heard right!! He follows me around all the time, poking at it, or

tapping it, lightly bumping his head into it, or even gnawing at it.

He does it in public, too. It's on going. Sometimes he gets so

involved with it, he breaks out into a big laugh, like someone has

tickled him to death. I just let him...it seems harmless enough, but

sometimes it aggravates me if I'm busy doing something. My

husband sometimes calls him away to give him something else to do

when he sees I'm getting tired of being " chewed on "

When I see this, it takes me back to that conversation with my aunt.

Then I get upset.

Could someone give me some REAL facts, please????

Thanks,

Aletha

....4-years-old, diagnosed November 2002 with ASD

Not on any meds...(yet)

[Guest guest]

Autism is NOT retardation (I don't like that word - terms like learning

disability / developmental disability / developmental delay are much more

acceptable in Europe).

In cases of mental retardation, such as is seen in Down Syndrome, there is an

underlying weakness in the cognitive abilities of the person i.e. they are just

not equipped to do certain things. It is possible to educate people with this

sort of problem to live more indepently and so on, but the underlying problem

will always remain. They can workl around it to a greater or lesser extent, but

it will always hold them back in some way.

In Autism, on the other hand, it IS possible to 'fix' the problems for the

person. Things like ABA can teach the person behaviours that are not present, or

reduce the incidence of inappropriate behaviours etc. It is very possible to

help the person to become 'normal'. Obviously they will still be autistic, but

they won't suffer (for want of a better word) because of it.

Basically, in mental retardation, something is broken. In Autism, it just works

differently.

Eoghan.

Aletha <Reejay62@...> wrote:Hi guys...I have a question that I hope

someone can clear up for me.

My aunt and I was talking on the phone last week, and we were

talking about the subject of my 4-year-old son and autism. She

felt that autism was really a " camoflauged " term for retardation.

She compared it to being " slow " . When I first started educating

myself on autism when was first diagnosed, I was warned about

people who would give their personal, uneducated opinions about the

subject...what they thought caused it, home remedies for cures, etc.

I even had one woman tell me that was autistic because I had

him at a " late age " (I was 35 at the time). Of course I keep in mind

that these people had never had any personal experiences with

autism, nor knew anyone that did. But I was so upset about what my

aunt had said, I could even say that I was insulted and hurt. Now

I'm wondering if there is any truth to it? Is there a thin line

between the two?

When I was a little girl, I lived next door to a boy named Eddie who

was considered retarded. He would walk around all day flapping his

arms around, and would make strange noises. I was the only neighbor

who would play with him, because all the other kids in the

neighborhood wouldn't. I felt compassion for him. He was 15.

My son does alot of things that remind me of Eddie. Just last

month he started having this " obsession " with my ELBOW...yep you

heard right!! He follows me around all the time, poking at it, or

tapping it, lightly bumping his head into it, or even gnawing at it.

He does it in public, too. It's on going. Sometimes he gets so

involved with it, he breaks out into a big laugh, like someone has

tickled him to death. I just let him...it seems harmless enough, but

sometimes it aggravates me if I'm busy doing something. My

husband sometimes calls him away to give him something else to do

when he sees I'm getting tired of being " chewed on "

When I see this, it takes me back to that conversation with my aunt.

Then I get upset.

Could someone give me some REAL facts, please????

Thanks,

Aletha

....4-years-old, diagnosed November 2002 with ASD

Not on any meds...(yet)

[Guest guest]

Eoghan, so a person with Downs Syndrom is retarded but a person with autism

cannot be? There are many levels of autism from high to low. Perhaps ABA

will work on some but it does not work on all. Evan is low to medium

functioning and he will never be 'normal' unless we see a miracle and we

have tried to find that miracle many places. Right now we are working on

allergy eliminations through a technique similar to NAET. Also today we are

started a new med, Abilify, which is suppose to help with cognitive

behaviors. I am hoping that we will see the improvments that we thought we

would see with the Risperdal. I have three boys who work 'differently'

because their brains are wired differently. They will never be 'cured' but

they can be helped.

Mentally Retarded is not polictally correct in the USA either but it is an

old term that is a long time dying.

Betty -61 yo, possibly Bipolar but undx'd, Effexor, Buspar

grandma and guardian to

- 11 yo-- Bipolar/ADHD on Depakote, Adderall, Singular

Evan - 9 yo nonverbal autism on 4 mg Risperdal,

- 6 yo- Bipolar/ADHD/PTSD on Tegretol, Adderall, Clonidine .1 mg,

mother to -32 yo, their mom - Bipolar/ADHD on Topamax, Singular

wife to Bob - 71 yo, Effexor and too more many meds to remember

----- Original Message -----

From: " Eoghan " <psychstudent101@...>

>

> Autism is NOT retardation (I don't like that word - terms like learning

disability / developmental disability / developmental delay are much more

acceptable in Europe).

>

> In cases of mental retardation, such as is seen in Down Syndrome, there is

an underlying weakness in the cognitive abilities of the person i.e. they

are just not equipped to do certain things. It is possible to educate people

with this sort of problem to live more indepently and so on, but the

underlying problem will always remain. They can workl around it to a greater

or lesser extent, but it will always hold them back in some way.

>

> In Autism, on the other hand, it IS possible to 'fix' the problems for the

person. Things like ABA can teach the person behaviours that are not

present, or reduce the incidence of inappropriate behaviours etc. It is very

possible to help the person to become 'normal'. Obviously they will still be

autistic, but they won't suffer (for want of a better word) because of it.

>

> Basically, in mental retardation, something is broken. In Autism, it just

works differently.

>

> Eoghan.

[Guest guest]

Sorry - I should have been clearer. People with Autism CAN be learning disabled,

but they are not l.d. BECAUSE of their Autism - if there is a learning

difficulty, it is not connected to the Autism (well, any more than is usual).

Think of it like the kid who breaks his leg in winter and has flu as well - the

leg didn't cause the flu or vice versa.

I use terms like 'normal' and 'cure' in ''s because I don't like them - normal

is generally best spelled W E I R D, and cure is a misnomer because Autism in

not a disease.

Eoghan

Betty <banthony@...> wrote:Eoghan, so a person with Downs Syndrom is

retarded but a person with autism

cannot be? There are many levels of autism from high to low. Perhaps ABA

will work on some but it does not work on all. Evan is low to medium

functioning and he will never be 'normal' unless we see a miracle and we

have tried to find that miracle many places. Right now we are working on

allergy eliminations through a technique similar to NAET. Also today we are

started a new med, Abilify, which is suppose to help with cognitive

behaviors. I am hoping that we will see the improvments that we thought we

would see with the Risperdal. I have three boys who work 'differently'

because their brains are wired differently. They will never be 'cured' but

they can be helped.

Mentally Retarded is not polictally correct in the USA either but it is an

old term that is a long time dying.

Betty -61 yo, possibly Bipolar but undx'd, Effexor, Buspar

grandma and guardian to

- 11 yo-- Bipolar/ADHD on Depakote, Adderall, Singular

Evan - 9 yo nonverbal autism on 4 mg Risperdal,

- 6 yo- Bipolar/ADHD/PTSD on Tegretol, Adderall, Clonidine .1 mg,

mother to -32 yo, their mom - Bipolar/ADHD on Topamax, Singular

wife to Bob - 71 yo, Effexor and too more many meds to remember

----- Original Message -----

From: " Eoghan "

>

> Autism is NOT retardation (I don't like that word - terms like learning

disability / developmental disability / developmental delay are much more

acceptable in Europe).

>

> In cases of mental retardation, such as is seen in Down Syndrome, there is

an underlying weakness in the cognitive abilities of the person i.e. they

are just not equipped to do certain things. It is possible to educate people

with this sort of problem to live more indepently and so on, but the

underlying problem will always remain. They can workl around it to a greater

or lesser extent, but it will always hold them back in some way.

>

> In Autism, on the other hand, it IS possible to 'fix' the problems for the

person. Things like ABA can teach the person behaviours that are not

present, or reduce the incidence of inappropriate behaviours etc. It is very

possible to help the person to become 'normal'. Obviously they will still be

autistic, but they won't suffer (for want of a better word) because of it.

>

> Basically, in mental retardation, something is broken. In Autism, it just

works differently.

>

> Eoghan.

[Guest guest]

Sorry - I should have been clearer. People with Autism CAN be learning disabled,

but they are not l.d. BECAUSE of their Autism - if there is a learning

difficulty, it is not connected to the Autism (well, any more than is usual).

Think of it like the kid who breaks his leg in winter and has flu as well - the

leg didn't cause the flu or vice versa.

I use terms like 'normal' and 'cure' in ''s because I don't like them - normal

is generally best spelled W E I R D, and cure is a misnomer because Autism in

not a disease.

Eoghan

Betty <banthony@...> wrote:Eoghan, so a person with Downs Syndrom is

retarded but a person with autism

cannot be? There are many levels of autism from high to low. Perhaps ABA

will work on some but it does not work on all. Evan is low to medium

functioning and he will never be 'normal' unless we see a miracle and we

have tried to find that miracle many places. Right now we are working on

allergy eliminations through a technique similar to NAET. Also today we are

started a new med, Abilify, which is suppose to help with cognitive

behaviors. I am hoping that we will see the improvments that we thought we

would see with the Risperdal. I have three boys who work 'differently'

because their brains are wired differently. They will never be 'cured' but

they can be helped.

Mentally Retarded is not polictally correct in the USA either but it is an

old term that is a long time dying.

Betty -61 yo, possibly Bipolar but undx'd, Effexor, Buspar

grandma and guardian to

- 11 yo-- Bipolar/ADHD on Depakote, Adderall, Singular

Evan - 9 yo nonverbal autism on 4 mg Risperdal,

- 6 yo- Bipolar/ADHD/PTSD on Tegretol, Adderall, Clonidine .1 mg,

mother to -32 yo, their mom - Bipolar/ADHD on Topamax, Singular

wife to Bob - 71 yo, Effexor and too more many meds to remember

----- Original Message -----

From: " Eoghan "

>

> Autism is NOT retardation (I don't like that word - terms like learning

disability / developmental disability / developmental delay are much more

acceptable in Europe).

>

> In cases of mental retardation, such as is seen in Down Syndrome, there is

an underlying weakness in the cognitive abilities of the person i.e. they

are just not equipped to do certain things. It is possible to educate people

with this sort of problem to live more indepently and so on, but the

underlying problem will always remain. They can workl around it to a greater

or lesser extent, but it will always hold them back in some way.

>

> In Autism, on the other hand, it IS possible to 'fix' the problems for the

person. Things like ABA can teach the person behaviours that are not

present, or reduce the incidence of inappropriate behaviours etc. It is very

possible to help the person to become 'normal'. Obviously they will still be

autistic, but they won't suffer (for want of a better word) because of it.

>

> Basically, in mental retardation, something is broken. In Autism, it just

works differently.

>

> Eoghan.

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Eoghan. It has always been an issue with me and some other

parents when they tell us our child is mentally retarded because they do not

do all the thing that a child their age should do. We ask is it because they

are retarded or because of their autism? The professionals just shrug at

us.

As far as 'normal' goes i have always like the title of the book " Normal is

just a setting on the Dryer'.

Betty

----- Original Message -----

From: " Eoghan " <psychstudent101@...>

>

> Sorry - I should have been clearer. People with Autism CAN be learning

disabled, but they are not l.d. BECAUSE of their Autism - if there is a

learning difficulty, it is not connected to the Autism (well, any more than

is usual). Think of it like the kid who breaks his leg in winter and has flu

as well - the leg didn't cause the flu or vice versa.

> I use terms like 'normal' and 'cure' in ''s because I don't like them -

normal is generally best spelled W E I R D, and cure is a misnomer because

Autism in not a disease.

[Guest guest]

I've heard about doing the same thing with pushups and how that would

give you cut arms. Like, once an hour do as many pushups as you can.

I heard a story about someone in a public restroom who put little

pieces of toilet paper down on the floor to put her hands on and did

her hourly push ups in there. The bicep thing couldn't hurt if you

want to experiment. If nothing else it could be classified

as " activity. " For the most part the only thing that will give

you " cut " anything is to lose the fat that hides the muscles. If you

want a nice peak to your bicep, try contracting it as hard as you can

at the top of the move for a count of three on the last set or so.

Stasia

[Guest guest]

> I've heard about doing the same thing with pushups and how that

would

> give you cut arms. Like, once an hour do as many pushups as you

can.

> I heard a story about someone in a public restroom who put little

> pieces of toilet paper down on the floor to put her hands on and

did

> her hourly push ups in there. The bicep thing couldn't hurt if you

> want to experiment. If nothing else it could be classified

> as " activity. " For the most part the only thing that will give

> you " cut " anything is to lose the fat that hides the muscles. If

you

> want a nice peak to your bicep, try contracting it as hard as you

can

> at the top of the move for a count of three on the last set or so.

>

> Stasia

Thanks Stasia,

I think I am going to give ita try for a couple of weeks....I

think I prefer using my dumbbells more than a bathroom floor...ha

ha... I know I also need to loose some more fat....but one thing to

mention is I have naturally large arms (Even in second grade...I have

a picture of me sittig by a collie and a sleeveless shirt and Bull

Dog Arms!! I was always a strong person.) Anyway I figured the extra

movement might help and it does rev up your metabolism some....don't

you think?

Pat

[Guest guest]

> Does this mean you're going to put on your birthday suit every time

you

> pick up the dumbbells? :-)

>

Ha!!! You are soooo funny!!! Nope, I think I may have to leave the

clothes on for this as I plan to do it all day long! Funny to get to

bethe " nudest " among us...I rather like that title!

Pat

[Guest guest]

>

> Hey Gang,

> I have Hep C and Cirrohsis, I am not being treated as my viral

> count is too low. I have 3rd leand towards 4th stage Liver Disease

and

> I just started itching. Does anyone know is this part of the Liver

> Disease ?

> Thanks,

>

>

Yeah,the itching is from the buildup of Billirubin in your blood.The

liver is not eliminating it from your blood.

You better get your ass into an AA meeting and embrace it or you're

dead.I was told 15 years ago that I had less than a year to live,went

to AA and found a whole new life.

Steve

[Guest guest]

>

> Hey Gang,

> I have Hep C and Cirrohsis, I am not being treated as my viral

> count is too low. I have 3rd leand towards 4th stage Liver Disease

and

> I just started itching. Does anyone know is this part of the Liver

> Disease ?

> Thanks,

>

>

Yeah,the itching is from the buildup of Billirubin in your blood.The

liver is not eliminating it from your blood.

You better get your ass into an AA meeting and embrace it or you're

dead.I was told 15 years ago that I had less than a year to live,went

to AA and found a whole new life.

Steve

[Guest guest]

>

> Hey Gang,

> I have Hep C and Cirrohsis, I am not being treated as my viral

> count is too low. I have 3rd leand towards 4th stage Liver Disease

and

> I just started itching. Does anyone know is this part of the Liver

> Disease ?

> Thanks,

>

>

Yeah,the itching is from the buildup of Billirubin in your blood.The

liver is not eliminating it from your blood.

You better get your ass into an AA meeting and embrace it or you're

dead.I was told 15 years ago that I had less than a year to live,went

to AA and found a whole new life.

Steve

[Guest guest]

Yes itching is very much a part of the disease , lol I can't tell ya how many nights I have not been able to sleep of cause of the itching . Its very common with hepatitis

Question....

Hey Gang,I have Hep C and Cirrohsis, I am not being treated as my viral count is too low. I have 3rd leand towards 4th stage Liver Disease and I just started itching. Does anyone know is this part of the Liver Disease ?Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Wow this brought back memories! Ty loved chicken nuggets from

McD's and we had gone to the mall when he was about 16 months old.

It was very crowded that day and he was in his stroller. He started

to fuss and tantrum and I thought maybe he was hungry and

approaching the terrible twos. So we went in to an even more crowded

McD's located in the mall. He screamed this high pitched scream that

I had never heard come from him as he started slapping his ears.

Even after giving him his favorite food he just tossed it and

continued to act in this manner. Needless to say after we left he

calmed down a great deal. Within the week all language was gone and

his eyes became lost. He screamed and tantrumed for two more years.

This was the big event for me that eventually led to the PDD then AU

dx. What I also didn't know at the time was that the noise and over

stimulation from the crowd was too much for him. He is 14 now and

does better with birthday parties and other crowds. Gym class he

wears earplugs and can take a timeout to step away if need be. The

lunch room and church noise use to be a major problem as well as the

window being down or cracked in the car. Hope this helps.

Beth

>

> Today, and I took Connor and Shane (2 years old with dx

Autism) to

> Chick-Fil-A for lunch. Usually, there is no problem. Today, when

we got

> Connor in the high chair, he at first kept vehemently refusing the

food and

> drink (which he loves!), and he was acting strange. He kept

putting his head

> back, looking toward the ceiling, and shrugging his shoulders way

up. It

> looked like he was uncomfortable for some reason. He also closed

his eyes

> momentarily. Then, as quickly as he started doing this, he stopped

and

> started eating. Have any of you experienced any similar behaviors,

or maybe

> know what he was trying to convey?

>

> Thanks!

>

> -

>

>

> --

> Quote of the Day:

>

> " If you cry because the sun has gone out of your life, your tears

will

> prevent you from seeing the stars. "

> ~ Rabindranath Tagore

>

[Guest guest]

, You are perfectly describing "Jennah-like" behavior...to the T. She does stuff like this ALL THE TIME. Although, we don't have an official diagnosis yet. We have an ADHD diagnosis from a psychologist (I disagree) and an unofficial diagnosis (awaiting test results) of pdd-nos from a neurologist. Elissa <ziggypop13@...> wrote: Today, and I took Connor and Shane (2 years old with dx Autism) to Chick-Fil-A for lunch. Usually,

there is no problem. Today, when we got Connor in the high chair, he at first kept vehemently refusing the food and drink (which he loves!), and he was acting strange. He kept putting his head back, looking toward the ceiling, and shrugging his shoulders way up. It looked like he was uncomfortable for some reason. He also closed his eyes momentarily. Then, as quickly as he started doing this, he stopped and started eating. Have any of you experienced any similar behaviors, or maybe know what he was trying to convey? Thanks! --- Quote of the Day:"If you cry because the sun has gone out of your life, your tears will prevent you from seeing the stars." ~ Rabindranath Tagore Check me out!

[Guest guest]

, I almost forgot to say that with Jennah, behavior like this always comes along with weird faces, whining noises, and tick-like movements. Elissa <ziggypop13@...> wrote: Today, and I took Connor and Shane (2 years old with dx Autism) to Chick-Fil-A for lunch. Usually, there is no problem. Today, when we got Connor in the high chair, he at first kept vehemently refusing the food and drink (which he loves!), and he was acting strange. He

kept putting his head back, looking toward the ceiling, and shrugging his shoulders way up. It looked like he was uncomfortable for some reason. He also closed his eyes momentarily. Then, as quickly as he started doing this, he stopped and started eating. Have any of you experienced any similar behaviors, or maybe know what he was trying to convey? Thanks! --- Quote of the Day:"If you cry because the sun has gone out of your life, your tears will prevent you from seeing the stars." ~ Rabindranath Tagore Check me out!

[Guest guest]

Dear Donna,

Going to a good Montessori is probably one of the best things for him. It was awesome for my daughter.

Your question is fine.

Francine

In a message dated 9/18/2007 12:39:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tammom@... writes:

Hi everyone,I am a mother of four. The youngest is now 17. Two of my boys have learning differences. I work in a Montesouri School as a teachers aide. We have a little boy in our class who is three years old. He is not potty trained yet. He answers all of our questions with the same question we asked him. He has a vision problem which requires pretty strong glasses. He knows all of his colors , shapes, numbers and letters, but the teacher and aides know something is not right. The mom insists that it is because of the way they talk to him. Well, we don't think so.We honsestly think he is in some way autistic. How do we try to get her to see there is a problem so she will get him the help that he needs? I hope I did not insult anyones feeling with this question, we only want to help this little boy to get the best education and help possilbe.Thank you,Donna

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[Guest guest]

Donna,

Legally, I am not sure if there is anything you can do. It depends on the laws in your state, I would think. I know that in my daughter's case, they had to get my approval before testing her. Unfortunately I think you might be stuck dealing with a child in great need and a mother in great denial

Elissa

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Question....

Hi everyone,I am a mother of four. The youngest is now 17. Two of my boys have learning differences. I work in a Montesouri School as a teachers aide. We have a little boy in our class who is three years old. He is not potty trained yet. He answers all of our questions with the same question we asked him. He has a vision problem which requires pretty strong glasses. He knows all of his colors , shapes, numbers and letters, but the teacher and aides know something is not right. The mom insists that it is because of the way they talk to him. Well, we don't think so.We honsestly think he is in some way autistic. How do we try to get her to see there is a problem so she will get him the help that he needs? I hope I did not insult anyones feeling with this question, we only want to help this little boy to get the best education and help possilbe.Thank you,Donna

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the talking where he repeats what you say back is def on the asd symptoms. not sure what else you can do besides talking to the mother cuz to call like a dr which is what i would do but that breaks confidentiality .how about you work into the program talking about special needs and then send home information on them include ones on autism make sure the pamphlets have a checklist of symptoms so they can see the signs .sometimes parents just do not want/listen to hear that there may be something "wrong " with their children & they get insulted. is there another family member who picks the child up bring it to thier attention.i aint sure but some day cares and schools do screenings (development ,cognitive,gross & fine motor skills,speech etc....) they bring in people who do this and

just screen all the kids and then give the findings to the parents(i also think a lot of parents do not view daycare/preschool teachers knowledgeable ) then they now have a professional given the reports.if i remember correctly where they repeat back what was said to them is echolalia not sure but either way what ever it is called maybe send home a pamphlet about that also .well that is all i can think of right nowgood luck vickie

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Hi everyone,

I am a mother of four. The youngest is now 17. Two of my boys have learning differences. I work in a Montesouri School as a teachers aide. We have a little boy in our class who is three years old. He is not potty trained yet. He answers all of our questions with the same question we asked him. He has a vision problem which requires pretty strong glasses. He knows all of his colors , shapes, numbers and letters, but the teacher and aides know something is not right. The mom insists that it is because of the way they talk to him. Well, we don't think so.

We honsestly think he is in some way autistic. How do we try to get her to see there is a problem so she will get him the help that he needs?

I hope I did not insult anyones feeling with this question, we only want to help this little boy to get the best education and help possilbe.

Thank you,

Donna

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" The mom

insists that it is because of the way they talk to him. Well, we don't

think so. "

It very well might be. I used to work with a fellow ASD and out

of the entire office, I was the only person who could communicate with

him. Everyone else made little to no logical sense, or said

things out of order, or left important pieces out or I don't even know

what else! He'd just sit staring at them blankly as if waiting

for something, yet when I went over to him we had (almost) totally

normal conversations. (Although I'd occasionally get the stare

when I messed something up, but I knew to go back and figure out what I

confused him with whereas everyone else would just walk away.)

I think you're right he may be on the spectrum - is there a child

psychologist at your school? You might have more luck talking his

mom into letting him see the in-school psyc than getting her to take

him to a physician on her own.

As for the questions - Can you give some examples?

Also, I just want to point out what with ASD, tone is just as important

if not more important than the words themselves. So if you're

using a non-standard tone (a lot of people do this when talking to kids

without realizing), that could be causing the issue. (For

example, if his mother uses a specific tone when she wants him to copy

her, and you're accidentally replicating that tone - he's responding to

the tone and not the words.)

-Lana

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Check with UCP, United Cerebral Palsy they

have an (or at least in our area) “Child Enhancement with a purpose

program” its free on site training, consultation, and technical

assistance for childcare providers. This atleast can gear you towards the right

direction on how to work with him. IF you can’t find these services in

your local area through UCP I would search high and low with some other

facilities that help with disabilities. As far as the mother, well I don’t

know what the schools policies are but you do need to “know” if he

is autistic before you go off telling the mom what it is. Some parents maybe

accepting and others may have to take awhile for it all to sink in. The problem

you have is if he is indeed autistic, than early intervention is the key to his

success! What does your boss recommend you do have you discussed this with

her/him? You can always do this outside the school and let it be known it has

nothing to do with the school and that you are concerned. Having children of

your own with learning disabilities has helped you point this thing out.

Encourage her to seek help and since you’re offering you need to be

prepared to point her in the right direction of where she can get testing done

etc. Carefully approach this, the worst thing that can happen here is that she

refuses and which there will be nothing you can do. EXCEPT start putting things

into place for him at the school he comes to. Know what you’re doing and

seek out help.

Deb’s

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Hi everyone,

I am a mother of four. The youngest is now 17. Two of my boys have learning

differences. I work in a Montesouri

School as a teachers

aide. We have a little boy in our class who is three years old. He is not potty

trained yet. He answers all of our questions with the same question we asked

him. He has a vision problem which requires pretty strong glasses. He knows all

of his colors , shapes, numbers and letters, but the teacher and aides know

something is not right. The mom insists that it is because of the way they talk

to him. Well, we don't think so.

We honsestly think he is in some way autistic. How do we try to get her to

see there is a problem so she will get him the help that he needs?

I hope I did not insult anyones feeling with this question, we only want to

help this little boy to get the best education and help possilbe.

Thank you,

Donna

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now!

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> We honsestly think he is in some way autistic. How do we try to get her to see there is a problem so she will get him the help that he needs?

It sounds that way to me, too. It may be a process that takes a couple of years. The suggestion about finding a way to hand out a 'characteristics of____' list at a parents' meeting is a good one. Then the parent MIGHT recognize it in the child herself, and at least START looking at it as a possibility.

In the meantime, Montessori school is a good environment for him...you can give him the structure and assistance he needs, to a certain degree. My one daughter-in-law with a HFA thought that might work for her son who is now in fifth grade after my other daughter-in-law sent her NT to one, and now is interning there as a teacher...

In fact my teacher DIL asked me about a student in HER class who was exhibiting behaviors similar to what she has seen in my grandson/her nephew. Her question was the same as yours...how do you tell the parent and get them to believe it. I was also able to give her some ideas on how to work with the child to make his day more productive.

Good luck

Judywww.judithmammay.com

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That was exactly the situation I was in. was in great need and his Mom was in great denial even after teachers and school counselors tried to convince her that he needed testing. When he was almost 9 she was drunk, had a car wreck, with an open container in the car and child asleep in back seat had undone the seat belt because it was uncomfortable as he was lying down. I got temp custody and then permanent custody. I thought she would try to get him back within a few months. That was almost 3 years ago and I still have him. I wish she would move closer to me; she could have him and I could still take care of getting him to all of his appts. She doesnot want to live in the Big City, so she sees him about 10 hours a month. So sad for him in a way but he loves his Grandma and knows that she loves him, but he misses his Mom. Its her loss! Dori8s M in

OK Elissa Mercado <elissamercado@...> wrote: Donna, Legally, I am not sure if there is anything you can do. It depends on the laws in your state, I would think. I know that in my daughter's case, they had to get my approval before testing her. Unfortunately I think you might be stuck dealing with a child in great need and a mother in great denial Elissa Check out my myspace http://www.myspace.com/elissamercado Chat in 3D http://imvu.com/catalog/web_invitation.php?userId=12957275 & from=power-email Question.... Hi everyone,I am a mother of four. The youngest is now 17. Two of my boys have learning differences. I work in a Montesouri School as a teachers aide. We have a little boy in our class who is three years old. He is not potty trained yet. He answers all of our questions with the same question we asked him. He has a vision problem which requires pretty strong glasses. He knows all of his colors , shapes, numbers and letters, but the teacher and aides know something is not right. The mom insists that it is because of the way they talk to him. Well, we don't think so.We honsestly think he is in some way autistic. How do we try to get her to see there is a problem so she will get him the help that he needs? I hope I did not insult anyones feeling with this question, we only want to help this little boy to get the best education and help possilbe.Thank

you,Donna Hebrews 7:25 NIVTherefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! Play now!

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