CORAL CALCIUM

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Vilik,

What is the coral calcium you were referring to and where do you get

it? How much should one take a day? I am going to work on alkalizing

my body more, and the information about calcium has been very

interesting. Thanks alot,

Kat

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I've seen Parrotfish munching on Coral all the time, and they all looked

healthy!

Later,

Mike Briggs

Photo Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/photogrif/

" Fish Gotta Swim, I Gotta Dive "

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In a message dated 7/21/02 3:54:14 PM Central Daylight Time,

mabriggs@... writes:

> I've seen Parrotfish munching on Coral all the time, and they all looked

> healthy!

>

Interesting! Ive never heard of a Parrotfish. You learn something everyday!!

Marcy Kelley

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That was beautiful! I loved the pictures!I never knew where Bonaire was,,,now

I do!

Take Care!

Marcy Kelley

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Yep, the Parrotfish has rows of teeth that they use to bite the corals.

Some are quite colorful.

I have a few photos of some on a trip.

http://www.geocities.com/photogrif/trip/bonaire.htm

About half way down the page. Nothing all that great, but if you've never

seen or heard of one before, this will be a start! *lol*

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Interesting! I've never heard of a Parrotfish. You learn something

everyday!!

*******

Later,

Mike Briggs

Photo Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/photogrif/

" Fish Gotta Swim, I Gotta Dive "

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Hi Mike, thanks for sharing the pictures. They're beautiful and colorful. When

I was in Indonesia me and my dad went snorkeling to our local beach in western

java. But all the photos came out greenish, although it is only a shallow water.

Lyd

ps like the ballon as well.

photogrif <mabriggs@...> wrote: Yep, the Parrotfish has rows of teeth

that they use to bite the corals.

Some are quite colorful.

I have a few photos of some on a trip.

http://www.geocities.com/photogrif/trip/bonaire.htm

About half way down the page. Nothing all that great, but if you've never

seen or heard of one before, this will be a start! *lol*

*******

Interesting! I've never heard of a Parrotfish. You learn something

everyday!!

*******

Later,

Mike Briggs

Photo Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/photogrif/

" Fish Gotta Swim, I Gotta Dive "

[Guest guest]

What did peope say about Coral Calcium?

I must have missed that discussion.

How do I access the archives to find out?

A friend just talked me into to trying the Marine Coral Calcium which is

supposed to be the one you can utilize much better than the fossilized kind

harvested near the shore. But it is more expensive of course.

I am continuing to take my Magnesium Glycinate & Calcium Chela Max just in

case it does not absorb.

I am trying to take 4 to 6 a day & have taken it for about a week now. I

will let you know if I notice any difference.

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Dear Ones:

I am getting an increasing number of questions about Coral Calcium.

The below

letter from Dr. Cherry says it better than I can.

I would like to take this occasion to elaborate on what may be

overlooked

when we buy minerals.

Minerals, as marketed, are basically crushed cement or rocks (the

exception

being liquid, ionic forms). Earthworms are equipped to eat rock and

change it

to organic forms. Humans are not. So, to get these " minerals " into

the body

and have any hope of utilization, they are attached to an amino acid

usually.

The carbonates, chlorides, and oxides are an exception. Some are

attached to

citric acid, and this is a good form usually for it will assimilate

without

presence of stomach acid, which increasing numbers do not have

adequately. It

is a bit laxative, especially magnesium citrate, so it should be

avoided in

large quantities by one with a loose bowel. Gluconates are often well

assimilated, but the bond is weak, and if the bond is broken in the

stomach,

it will not be utilized. Then there are the Amino Acid Chelates

(blends), the

single amino chelates the Orotates, Aspartates, and the newer

Glycinates.

Remember, these are amino acids, and when the body breaks off the

mineral

from this molecule, the amino acid remains as such. Then there is the

sodium

ascorbate forms (buffered C being one type) that supply significant

amounts

of vitamin C. You must count that into your daily totals of that

vitamin or

mineral.

Additionally, the pills and capsules too often are filled with

dicalcium

phosphate. Two things are bad about this: it may give 600 to 1000 mg

calcium

that is uncounted, this really adds up when taking several

capsules/pills,

and though this calcium is poorly assimilated, it does compete with

other

minerals and thus robs you of 60-70% of the very mineral you are

supplementing! It also supplies phosphate that the diet is already

overloaded

with. Don't buy minerals when this filler is used. All calcium

supplements

should be taken apart from meals and other mineral supplements when

possible,

especially zinc. So.........

When you want the added amino or other chelate, as well as the

mineral, buy

that form, and get two for the price of one, or two in one capsule.

The

Glycinates are a good choice as glycine seems relatively innocuous

and

frequently needed, and is well assimilated. The Orotates and

Aspartates are

better assimilated than some other forms, and often supply needed

value from

the amino acid.

At times, one needs to ask if this form is contraindicated. I would

say if

your child has tested high on aspartate, don't supplement the

Aspartate

Forms. If he has loose bowels don't supplement Oxide and Citrate

Forms for

both are laxative, especially the magnesium ones. Many will not do

well on

Carbonate because it is constipating. It is very poorly assimilated,

so

actually, you will receive only a very small part of the labeled

amount.

Additionally, it is a strong antacid, and if taken with meals it

would put a

heavy drain on the body's reserves for producing HCl, and largely

shut down

digestion. It is most useful in that it gives a specific response

best

explained in these long paragraphs from " Mastering Autism " . My advice

would

be to take it on an empty stomach to minimize its effects on

digestion.

This reaction of carbonates in the system is very complex, and the

following

a bit much to understand. I would appreciate any of you

medical/biochemist

types who observe any error in the following to tell me why it is in

error

and why your version is better. This information is so vital to our

children,

that I want it to be as accurate as possible.

>>>“By examining blood chemistries, the data that began to unfold

was

fascinating and clearly earmarked the acidosis and hypoxic state (low

serum

bicarbonate = low oxygen levels). Seizures were often brought under

control

by examining the electrolytic disturbance, and matching them to the

child’s

needs. Potassium bicarbonate, sodium bicarbonate, magnesium

carbonate, and

the like were used. (Potassium Bicarbonate from Emerson Ecological,

Inc.,

www.emersonecologics.com.) (These normally alkaline minerals release

the

carbonate raising carbonic-acid levels, acidifying the system. As CO2

(carbon

dioxide), it acts as an anticonvulsant, and also reduces glucose

metabolites,

which accumulate around the foci (of the seizure). Blood flow is

increased to

the brain†" WSL.) Now, we began to understand why so many children

responded to

Buffered C (potassium bicarbonate, calcium carbonate, magnesium

carbonate),

and why others needed a more specific buffer (in some children for

example

niacin was grossly depleted, and they required niacin bicarbonate).

(Calcium

carbonate tends to constipate, and may be useful in controlling

diarrhea, or

when magnesium is tending to loose bowels, but it acidifies the

system†" WSL.)

Buffers and butyrates attenuate (lessens the effects of) abnormal

nitrogen

metabolism (protein digestion), however, children with ASD are unique

in

their presentations, and as we examine nitrogen retention/NO (nitric

oxide),

electrolyte stability, catalysts, and lipid status to determine

disturbances

in metabolism, it requires that we act upon these aberrations in an

integrative manner from a cellular perspective, not as singular

interventions....We found that mineral endings contained in many

multiples

were worthless (magnesium oxide†" a laxative), or irritating to the

CNS

(aspartates, excess can be excitatory), or to the urea cycle

(picolinates

raise uric acid or BUN, and disturb the urea cycle), but the children

responded beautifully to alkaline salts such as Buffered C, the

carbonates,

and digestive support, including duodenum (naturally containing

secretin and

other components of the small intestine†" 1 teaspoon after meals.

Obtain from

www.krysalis.com†" WSL.), and pancreas (available in porcine, bovine,

or bovine

derivatives†" 1 to 2 capsules after meals†" WSL)â€â€ " Kane.

“I

found...that many, many of these children are in negative nitrogen

balance.

Their BUN-to-creatinine ratios are very highâ€â€ " Dr. Megson.

Low

creatinine, BUN, and uric acid are markers of a lack of nitrogen.

Nitrogen

retention is dependent upon dietary consumption of nitrogen-rich

foods

(proteins), along with lipid consumption, electrolyte stability, and

mineral

density and balance. Those with organic acidemias or amino acidemias

will

often exhibit this same protein intolerance. >>>

>>>Through its conversion into carbonic acid, carbon dioxide is the

most

vital player in the maintaining of the body’s acid-base balance. A

major

cause of alkalosis is the glutathione deficiency that is pervasive in

Autism

and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Low glutathione causes an elevation in

citrate,

which in turn lowers a substance (2,3 DPG) that controls the release

of

oxygen from hemoglobin. Our blood can be full of oxygen, but without

enough

of this substance it cannot break free and get into the cells. This

causes

oxygen deprivation in the tissues (hypoxia) that makes the body

switch over

to anaerobic metabolism, which can be painful. Lowering carbon

dioxide in the

lungs by hyperventilation also shifts the body’s pH towards

alkalinity, which

slows the rate of activity of all body ferments, enzymes, and

vitamins.

Chronic hyperventilating is not good for an alkaline system is more

susceptible to virus and allergies. This shift in the rate of

metabolic-regulator activity disturbs the normal flow of metabolic

processes

and leads to the death of the cell. The lowering of carbon dioxide in

the

nerve cells heightens the threshold of its excitability, alerting all

branches of the nervous system and rendering it extraordinarily

sensitive to

outside stimuli. This hypersensitivity to light, sound, touch, taste,

smell,

heat or cold leads to irritability, sleeplessness, stress problems,

unfounded

anxiety, fears, allergic reactions, and inordinate stress. Concurrent

with

this, the breathing center in the brain is further stimulated causing

a

further loss of carbon dioxide. A vicious cycle has commenced. The

detrimental influence of the rapid, deep breathing on the organism is

a

direct result of the creation of a carbon-dioxide deficit. It is

clear that a

deepening of the breathing does not necessarily mean an increase in

oxygen

uptake. On the contrary, it can mean a decrease in oxygenation, which

leads

to hypoxia, an alkaline imbalance, and cell spasming. “You are

hyperventilating if breathing is predominantly thoracic (chest); if

little

use is made of the diaphragm (abdominal movement is minimal); if

breathing is

punctuated by frequent sighs; if sighing has an effortless quality

with a

marked forward and upward movement of the sternum but little lateral

expansion.â€â€ " Dr. Fried. If the above condition is

suspected, one

should obtain a roll of pH paper and check the pH of saliva and

urine.

Details of this testing are found in my electronic book “Self-help

to Good

Healthâ€, (34 Chapters, 535 Pages, $21.95 US) in the Chapter

“Digestion and

Utilizationâ€. An excessively acid condition would likely signal a

too high

CO2. The lungs are not getting the carbon dioxide out and the needed

oxygen

in. The opposite would be true for an excessively alkaline

condition†" there is

too little CO2, yet the cells will be starving for oxygen. The best

time for

checking pH is midmorning and late afternoon before the evening meal.

A word

of warning: in using sodium bicarbonate excessively, potassium can be

excreted producing a potassium deficiency that can cause heart

palpitations. >

>>

>>> If suffering hyperammonemia, or over alkalinity of any cause,

calm the

child’s breathing in whatever manner you can in order to raise CO2

levels,

and use these carbonate buffers to restore CO2 and body acidity. One

quick

way to restore acidity is to drink a teaspoon of raw, unfiltered,

apple-cider

vinegar every hour or so until desired acidity is restored. Deep

breathing

can be used consciously, and perhaps unconsciously, to make more

alkaline an

already acid system†" quite common in ASD. As Dr. Fried states, the

over

breathing may be “the body’s best adjustment to its present

needs.†If the

acidity were that of excess lactic acid, consciously hyperventilating

would

likely make the condition worse. Use these methods also to stop

severe

allergic reactions. The average asthmatic, for example, over-breathes

3-5

times the recommended amount, sometimes more. If you think

someone’s having

an allergic reaction, and you don’t have those (bi)carbonate

buffers, try

half a teaspoon or a teaspoon of baking soda in a half-glass of

water.

Sometimes, that will stop a reaction within 10 to 15 minutes. Three

commercial, bicarbonate products AlkaAidâ„¢, AlkaSeltzer Goldâ„¢, and

AlkaLimeâ„¢,

or alkali salts (from health food stores, usually a combination of

sodium and

potassium and sometimes calcium carbonate) can be used. This is very

effective, not only in stopping reactions, but if you take it before

you eat

a food to which you are sensitive, you can sometimes prevent a

reaction. If

you’re going to dinner, and you’re not quite sure what they’re

going to

serve, you certainly should try to take that in advance. Supporting

the

thyroid will increase carbon dioxide production. A word of warning:

in using

sodium bicarbonate excessively, potassium can be excreted producing a

potassium deficiency that can cause heart palpitations and reduce HCl

production. It is possible to cause the system to become overly

alkaline.

Many have found bee pollen, or perhaps more so, honeycomb, from local

honey

farms to be highly effective in relieving environmental allergy.

Start with

very small amounts, and slowly increase amounts until the allergy is

overcome. >>>

Being a bit low on sodium and a bit acidic, I have been taking 3/4

tsp a day

of baking soda. It has significantly alkalized the urine, but there

is a

troubling apparent drop of 0.4 numbers in saliva pH when not eating.

Since

saliva more nearly tells systemic condition, I find this troubling.

Any

chemists/doctors have any observations about this shift?

Warmly,

Willis

Be Cautious About Coral Calcium

By Dr. Cherry

It's the latest and hottest thing and is promoted in advertisements

and

commercials everywhere: coral calcium for bone health. But be aware,

this is not the best source of calcium.

What is coral calcium? It's calcium carbonate, which has been around

for

years. You might know it better as good old Tums. It neutralizes

stomach

acid, which is why it is in Tums. For years and years, doctors used to

recommend that women who were going through the change of life,

menopause, just go out and buy Tums. They thought it was a great idea.

After all, it can surely provide the calcium needed to stop bone loss.

Bad idea!

Yes, you do indeed need calcium; however, Tums, an antacid, is not the

best choice. For one thing, as you get older your body produces less

acid in your stomach. Therefore, why would you want to take an

antacid?

Whether it's Tums or calcium carbonate in the form of coral calcium,

they are both antacids. So the last thing in the world you want to do

is

take antacids if your stomach is putting out less and less acid.

While a little amount of calcium carbonate is good, it should be

combined with several other sources of calcium. For example, one of

the

best forms of calcium you can take is hydroxyapatite. It is one of the

best forms of calcium because it is so similar to the calcium that is

actually deposited into bone, and it does not neutralize stomach acid.

Other forms of calcium are ascorbate, citrate and carbonate.

Also, research has shown that in order for calcium to be effective in

preventing bone loss, it has to be deposited on something. In other

words, you don't just throw calcium at bones and it just goes right in

there and makes firm, healthy tissue. It has to have what is called a

framework. Scientist refer to that framework as the matrix of bone.

This

matrix consists of collagen connective tissue along with protein. To

build up this framework, you've got to have certain vitamins and

minerals - namely copper, zinc, vitamin K, vitamin C and magnesium -

along with calcium. All of these function together to strengthen the

framework of bone.

So, next time you reach for the Tums, or any antacid, think again.

These

products cannot provide adequate protection for your bones. Instead,

look for a natural supplement that contains several forms of calcium,

along with other essential nutrients that can protect the health of

your

bones and prevent osteoporosis - a disease that affects more than 10

million Americans.

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Lifetime makes a liquid calcium Mg Citrate. In MA you can find it at

whole foods markets and it is ~ $12 per bottle. one serving = 1 Tbsp

= 600mg of ca citrate and (i think) 200 iu of vit d. it comes in

about 5 different flavors and my patients tell me that it tastes good

too.

> Good Morning,

> I had a RNY patient ask about liquid coral calcium.

> She is currently crushing Citrical.

> I know citrical is suppossedly better absorbed with

> RNY, I told her to continue to crush citrical or use

> UPcal until I can find out degree of absorption of

> coral calcium.

> What is everybody else using for calcium

> supplementation and is liquid coral calcium out the

> window?

> Thanks for your suggestions,

>

> Kasey Koster

> OKlahoma WEIGHT LOSS OPtions

>

> =====

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I think that coral ca can be contaminated w/heavy metals

coral calcium

Good Morning, I had a RNY patient ask about liquid coral calcium.She is currently crushing Citrical. I know citrical is suppossedly better absorbed withRNY, I told her to continue to crush citrical or useUPcal until I can find out degree of absorption ofcoral calcium. What is everybody else using for calciumsupplementation and is liquid coral calcium out thewindow? Thanks for your suggestions, Kasey KosterOKlahoma WEIGHT LOSS OPtions=====

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http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/coral.html

This is a good review of the topic, on a website all dietitians could

benefit from being aware of and bookmarking. I use this site to look up any

questionable treatments I get asked about.

Hilleary, MPH, RD

San Diego VA Healthcare System

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http://www.ghchealth.com/coral-calcium.html