Echinacea

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I think the rationale is, those of us with rheumatic illnesses are

dealing with immune systems that are running out of control. Since

echinacea is supposed to beef up the immune system, the thinking is that

it is not good for those of us who supposedly already have over-active

immune systems, which is why we're often told we shouldn't take it.

However, if you operate under the belief system that we're dealing with

a bug and our immune systems are actually damaged, as opposed to

over-active, then taking a little echinacea to help the immune system

seems like a good idea. My personal feeling on it is, if it seems to

help you, great, if it doesn't, quit. I've used it for years for colds

and I can definitely report how much it helps that. My mom, however,

seems to have an RA flare if she takes it so she doesn't. So, it seems

to me it's another one of those trial-and-error, we all react

differently kind of things.

Hugs,

a Peden

> joeysala wrote:

>

> FYI. In todays paper there is an article on

> echinacea.......... " Echinacea has no known toxicity and is well

> tolerated by most people. It should not be used by those with TB and

> such auto-immuune disorders as lupus and scleroderma........ " Doesn't

> say why...

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What about liquid goldenseal? I use that when I feel a cold coming on.

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no - use Larch or item # 1001.

echinacea

this is good for O's?

Gaye

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Not the same as Larch....I gather.

Gaye

> no - use Larch or item # 1001.

> echinacea

>

>

> this is good for O's?

> Gaye

>

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Avoid

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In a message dated 5/15/2002 6:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

pdxgaye@... writes:

<< this is good for O's?

Gaye >>

avoid

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Eccinacea helps the immune system as well as having antibacterial and other

properties. I have tried it but never felt any herx which does not mean it

doesn't work. I may have needed to up the dosage

Dave N.

[ ] echinacea

I read this medical quip by a doctor from 1905 recommending echinacea

in treating syphilis. I'd be interested in anyones experiences with

echinacea, or if anyone has been told to or, not to, use it in lyme.

" In constitutional syphilis it is a great remedy if associated with

other alteratives such as berberis aquifolium or iris versicolor. "

this database is really cool

Classic Herbal Texts

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/main.html

Thanks

E.

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> Has anyone given their child Echinacea? If so, do you see any

> benefit from them taking it? It was recommended to me for my 2

year

> old. Just wondering!!

>

>

I don't have kids, so I can't ask the question that you

asked about that. I have given echinacea to cats (a

bit different). It is a " surface " immunity herb--- usually

used for an immediate immune problem such as a cold,

flu, infection, etc. Some people take SMALL amounts

long term, but that a bit offbeat (I used to eat a

leaf once in a while). For building long term DEEP

immunity there are other herbs that are " better " , such

as mushrooms (reishi, shittake, maitake--- Herbal

Apothecary makes some good mushroom formulas).

I have taken fairly large amounts of echinacea when

ill. (Again, I'm not a kid so this doesn't answer your

question.) -- and have also taken it when " well " in

more moderate amounts.

good wishes,

Moria

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I know of Euchinacea - which is a plant derived anti-oxidant, just like Vitamins C, E, ALA, etc. So that should be good for MS. Help the body fight free radicals. Maybe they say that because the consider that fighting these free radicals is possibly considered immune response, and most doctors believe that the immune system should be weak rather than strong in MS patients. (My investigations and beliefs are otherwise.)

Don't know why they would say that, though at the same time, what do these companies know about MS when most doctors don't know much?

Aristidis <aristalle@...> wrote:

Has any one information or experience about Echinacea? I red that Echinacea aids in the production of interferon, but the other day I bought a bottle from a pharmacy and on the leaflet there was a contraindication for autoimmune diseases –MS- and this is confusing. Any information will be helpful to me. Thanks.

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Hi

I stay away from this,cause once I wanted to treat a

cold with,and felt worse and worse,until I stopped.I

don't think it had been pure coincidence.

Tom

--- Aristidis <aristalle@...> wrote:

> Has any one information or experience about

> Echinacea? I red that

> Echinacea aids in the production of interferon, but

> the other day I

> bought a bottle from a pharmacy and on the leaflet

> there was a

> contraindication for autoimmune diseases –MS- and

> this is confusing.

> Any information will be helpful to me. Thanks.

>

>

>

>

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My husband takes it about 2ce a week, no problems.

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Echinacea

I know of Euchinacea - which is a plant derived anti-oxidant, just like Vitamins C, E, ALA, etc. So that should be good for MS. Help the body fight free radicals. Maybe they say that because the consider that fighting these free radicals is possibly considered immune response, and most doctors believe that the immune system should be weak rather than strong in MS patients. (My investigations and beliefs are otherwise.)

Don't know why they would say that, though at the same time, what do these companies know about MS when most doctors don't know much?

Aristidis <aristalle@...> wrote:

Has any one information or experience about Echinacea? I red that Echinacea aids in the production of interferon, but the other day I bought a bottle from a pharmacy and on the leaflet there was a contraindication for autoimmune diseases –MS- and this is confusing. Any information will be helpful to me. Thanks.

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If you're not taking LDN and have MS, it's probably a good idea to avoid it. They really haven't shown, IIRC, that echinacea does ANYTHING for anyone, anyway.

If you're taking LDN and your immune system is orchestrating properly, those warnings about AI diseases wouldn't apply. JMHOOC

[low dose naltrexone] Echinacea

Has any one information or experience about Echinacea? I red that Echinacea aids in the production of interferon, but the other day I bought a bottle from a pharmacy and on the leaflet there was a contraindication for autoimmune diseases -MS- and this is confusing. Any information will be helpful to me. Thanks.

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I think a typical MS immune system isn't enhanced or weakened, it's distorted.

Without LDN, the communication signals are distorted, taking echinacea would amplify the distortion. If you're taking LDN and the communication signals are clear, then taking echinacea would amplify a good signal, and could help.

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Echinacea

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Don't know why they would say that, though at the same time, what do these companies know about MS when most doctors don't know much?

Aristidis <aristalle@...> wrote:

Has any one information or experience about Echinacea? I red that Echinacea aids in the production of interferon, but the other day I bought a bottle from a pharmacy and on the leaflet there was a contraindication for autoimmune diseases –MS- and this is confusing. Any information will be helpful to me. Thanks.

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> If you're not taking LDN and have MS, it's probably a good idea to avoid it.

They really haven't shown,

IIRC, that echinacea does ANYTHING for anyone, anyway.

>

> If you're taking LDN and your immune system is orchestrating properly, those

warnings about AI diseases

wouldn't apply. JMHOOC

> [low dose naltrexone] Echinacea

>

>

> Has any one information or experience about Echinacea? I red that

> Echinacea aids in the production of interferon, but the other day I

> bought a bottle from a pharmacy and on the leaflet there was a

> contraindication for autoimmune diseases -MS- and this is confusing.

> Any information will be helpful to me. Thanks.

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Interesting one, echinacea, I tried it a few years ago, felt that it had

some effect but I wasn`t quite happy about it.

I checked it out in Dr. D`Adamo`s blood group book " Eat Right for your Type "

& found that it was in the " AVOID " list for " O " blood group:

This made sense to me as it seemed a little " sparky " in my system, as though

I was " over amped " .

This seems to figure with the idea that O group people tend to have a fairly

agressive immune system that needs soothing rather than stimulating,

(contrasted for example with

A group, which apparently has an immune system that tends to be a little too

laid back & friendly -needing a bit of boosting!).

FYO, Dr D`Adamo rates Echinacea as follows:

" O " Blood Group -AVOID

" A " " " -HIGHLY BENEFICIAL

" B " " " -NEUTRAL

" AB " " " -HIGHLY BENEFICIAL

I find that " Eat Right for Your Type " is often helpful in determining

whether or not something is likely to be beneficial, it can help protect

against the

" One size fits all " mentality.

Best Wishes,

Gerald

[low dose naltrexone] Echinacea

Has any one information or experience about Echinacea? I red that

Echinacea aids in the production of interferon, but the other day I

bought a bottle from a pharmacy and on the leaflet there was a

contraindication for autoimmune diseases -MS- and this is confusing.

Any information will be helpful to me. Thanks.

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It depends on if you think the immune system is overactive with ms and needs to be suppressed or if you feel you need to build your immune system up against auto-immune attack. I agree with the last opinion but would still use other means to boost my immune system just in case I am wrong!!!!!! There are many remedies such as turmeric, ferulic acid, alpha lipoic acid, olive leaf, I could go on and on that have shown a great deal of promise for ms. I see no reason to contemplate taking Echinacea and would investigate other immune enchancing anti-oxidants or do a good curcumin complex with pepper by swanson vitamins. I really noted a difference with that product.

[low dose naltrexone] Echinacea

Has any one information or experience about Echinacea? I red that Echinacea aids in the production of interferon, but the other day I bought a bottle from a pharmacy and on the leaflet there was a contraindication for autoimmune diseases –MS- and this is confusing. Any information will be helpful to me. Thanks.

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>> it is wonderful for everyone.

**Obviously that should have said, 'it is 'not' wonderful for everyone.

Sorry people, tired and achy after my first day back at work for 16 yrs. - not

that my 5 kids haven't been work, but the workplace reaches parts I haven't used

for a while.

thanks

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I use echinacea when I am barely starting to get a cold. I take " Super

Echinacea " in drops and take alot of it, a squirt about every 10

minutes. It knocks the cold out and I don't get sick.

I only take it then. I don't take it regularly.

- T

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Tamara Tornado wrote:

> I use echinacea when I am barely starting to get a cold. I take " Super

> Echinacea "

I use it as well, but in a specific combination:

2 parts echinacea

2 parts astragalus

1 part propolis

1 part cat's claw.

This works very much better than echinacea for my compromised immune

system, to help during infection.

Homeopathic Aconitum napellus 200C also nips infection in the bud. (In

any blood type).

Namaste,

Irene

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In a message dated 10/24/2005 5:25:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

firesprite68@... writes:

I am on another list where a herbalist is saying that echinacea is sooo good

and a must for everyone - I know before converting to the blood type diet it

never did anything for me, but would like to be able to explain facts in my

answer to her as to why it is not appropriate for everyone.

I read a recent article that stated that scientific study indicated that

Echinacea does nothing for anyone. They used double blinds etc. and found no

benefit to using it.

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I don't have specific info on how if affects O's but most of my experience is

that it isn't very effective for O's.

Elderberry sould be much more effective.

" J. Arnold " <firesprite68@...> wrote:

Hi,

how is it that echinacea affects type 'O's and so why we shouldn't have it

please.

I am on another list where a herbalist is saying that echinacea is sooo good and

a must for everyone - I know before converting to the blood type diet it never

did anything for me, but would like to be able to explain facts in my answer to

her as to why it is not appropriate for everyone.

I donot feel confident that I know enough to answer this 'know-it-all' person

without a little help from you all, but feel that others on the list need to

know it is wonderful for everyone.

thanks

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I got pneumonia once trying to treat a chest cold with echinacea.

Ginger and lemon tea does more for me in an initial attack on a cold.

-Robin

>

> I don't have specific info on how if affects O's but most of my

experience is that it isn't very effective for O's.

> Elderberry sould be much more effective.

>

[Guest guest]

I find that large continuous doses of Vit C (1000 every couple of hours until I

have taken around 8000 in the day) work in fending off a cold if I start as soon

as I feel it coming on.

Regards,

Sharon (Ontario) Canada

Re: Echinacea

I got pneumonia once trying to treat a chest cold with echinacea.

Ginger and lemon tea does more for me in an initial attack on a cold.

-Robin

>

> I don't have specific info on how if affects O's but most of my

experience is that it isn't very effective for O's.

> Elderberry sould be much more effective.

>

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I don't know if it interferes, for chemical reasons, but I use it with

virastop with my daughter and her immune system has gone from

nonexistant to above average. I use it with my son with Virastop only

when he's getting sick, and he just got an award for perfect

attendance this year (this is a kid who missed every other round of

chelation 3-4 years ago because he was sick at least twice a month.)

Amy

>

> Hi. I'm new (about 2 weeks) and trying to learn all I can.

> When you are doing anti-virals, etc., has anyone used echinacea to

increase

> the natural defenses or does it interfere with what is going on?

> Thanks

> W

>

>

>

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HI DANNY! HOW ARE U? IVE JUST READ 1 OF YOUR EMAILS, SAYING ABOUT U HAD PROBLEMS WITH YOUR LEGS, TIGHTNESS? I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM BUT I TAKE GABAPENTIN 4 THAT AND IT DOES WONDERS 4 MY LEGS. HOW LONG U BEEN TAKING LDN? IVE BEEN ON IT FOR 2 YRS. ITS BE A SLOW AND VERY HARD ROAD, BUT ITS COMING ON WELL.. IVE NEVER HEARD OF ECHINACEA 2 HELP YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM? COULD U PLS. TELL ME MORE ABOUT IT AND WERE U CAN BUY IT? TAKE CARE MONICA FROM DOWNUNDER. "Danny (UK)" <dandylion@...> wrote:

I started LDN on 3.0 but because I had terrible problems with tightness in my leg muscles, I dropped to 1.5 and had no further problems.At about the same time though, I also looked at my daily pile of supplements to see what I could leave out, for the time being. The only one I picked on was echinacea, the reason being that it was there to help boost my immune system, and the LDN claimed to be doing that anyway.That was the reason I stopped taking the echinacea but I was just so pleased that the tightmess had gone, that I didn't pause to reflect on what might have done it. I just assumed it was lowering the dose.Danny __________________________________________________