Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 April, I'm so sorry to hear about your daughter. I, too, am in Colorado. What part of Colorado are you in? What ped do you use? I do have names of a couple of no-vax friendly docs in the Denver area I'd be willing to share with you, as well as helping you find some help for your daughter. Please feel free to email me off-list if you would feel more comfortable. trinnea@... On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 5:33 PM, april Eisele <april.eisele@...> wrote: > Hi, > > My name is April and my husband and I live in Colorado with our three > wonderful kiddos, ages 5, 6 & 7. We adopted all of our children from S. > Korea and have very little health history from their birth families so I > have no idea if immunizations were an issue for them. Here is my reason > for > joining the group... > > Our youngest dd had her 5 yr old check-up on Tues. Despite my concerns > over > giving 4 vaccinations at one time, I let our pediatrician convince me > everything would be fine. And since it was with my older two children, I > believed him. (If only I could go back in time.) > > 18 hrs later the vomiting began. She threw up every 15min for hours and > hours and hours. Then the fever started. Then she became very lethargic. > She > just laid on the bed and wouldn't even watch cartoons - > she just stared at the wall and fell asleep every 2 minutes. The minute > this > all began I called our pediatrician's office and spoke w/ the doctor on > call. (It was 5am.) He said to keep her hydrated and > she would be fine. I let it go a few more hours and then called the office > and insisted on taking her in. > > Our Dr. said he thought it was a reaction to her DTaP vaccination. He > recommended Tylenol suppositories to get her fever down and told me to > keep > her as hydrated as possible. He said if this is as bad as it is going to > get > we could expect it to last another 48 to 72 hours. If it is going to get > worse we would be watching for seizures next. He said, " Well at least she > doesn't have to have this one again > until she is 12 or 13 " . My thought was, " What?! Why would I ever let them > give this to her again?? " > > She slept all evening. She didn't even complain about the suppositories. I > gave her a sip of fluids or an ice chip every second she was awake. But > then > the twitching began. It wasn't a seizure (our oldest dd has had febrile > seizures and this was not like that) but more a rhythmic twitching while > she > slept. I called the doctor again immediately and was told " it could just > be > her body's reaction to the immunizations " but we didn't need to bring her > in > unless her fever was over 104.5 or she had a " full blown seizure " . > > So I put her in bed right next to us and watched her sleep all night. She > is > very sleepy again this today but the vomiting has stopped. She is > EXTREMELY > emotional and not herself at all. The fever is down to around 99.5. My > biggest concern right now is random nonsensical sentences. She will > suddenly say something that makes NO sense at all, stop and look confused, > and then quickly try to go on. I feel very lost as I don't know what to > expect, what I should be doing for her, and I feel like we were left very > much on our own. > > I appreciate a place to come for support and any insight/advice any of you > may have to share and am grateful for the opportunity to look through all > of > the information on this site. > > April > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 April, for what it is worth, you will remain in my prayers. I am sorry to hear of this and I will pray she gets better. God Bless you and your family. Love, Rina april Eisele <april.eisele@...> wrote: Hi, My name is April and my husband and I live in Colorado with our three wonderful kiddos, ages 5, 6 & 7. We adopted all of our children from S. Korea and have very little health history from their birth families so I have no idea if immunizations were an issue for them. Here is my reason for joining the group... Our youngest dd had her 5 yr old check-up on Tues. Despite my concerns over giving 4 vaccinations at one time, I let our pediatrician convince me everything would be fine. And since it was with my older two children, I believed him. (If only I could go back in time.) 18 hrs later the vomiting began. She threw up every 15min for hours and hours and hours. Then the fever started. Then she became very lethargic. She just laid on the bed and wouldn't even watch cartoons - she just stared at the wall and fell asleep every 2 minutes. The minute this all began I called our pediatrician's office and spoke w/ the doctor on call. (It was 5am.) He said to keep her hydrated and she would be fine. I let it go a few more hours and then called the office and insisted on taking her in. Our Dr. said he thought it was a reaction to her DTaP vaccination. He recommended Tylenol suppositories to get her fever down and told me to keep her as hydrated as possible. He said if this is as bad as it is going to get we could expect it to last another 48 to 72 hours. If it is going to get worse we would be watching for seizures next. He said, " Well at least she doesn't have to have this one again until she is 12 or 13 " . My thought was, " What?! Why would I ever let them give this to her again?? " She slept all evening. She didn't even complain about the suppositories. I gave her a sip of fluids or an ice chip every second she was awake. But then the twitching began. It wasn't a seizure (our oldest dd has had febrile seizures and this was not like that) but more a rhythmic twitching while she slept. I called the doctor again immediately and was told " it could just be her body's reaction to the immunizations " but we didn't need to bring her in unless her fever was over 104.5 or she had a " full blown seizure " . So I put her in bed right next to us and watched her sleep all night. She is very sleepy again this today but the vomiting has stopped. She is EXTREMELY emotional and not herself at all. The fever is down to around 99.5. My biggest concern right now is random nonsensical sentences. She will suddenly say something that makes NO sense at all, stop and look confused, and then quickly try to go on. I feel very lost as I don't know what to expect, what I should be doing for her, and I feel like we were left very much on our own. I appreciate a place to come for support and any insight/advice any of you may have to share and am grateful for the opportunity to look through all of the information on this site. April Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Thank you, Rina. It means a lot. I was able to contact a homeopathic doctor in Denver and just started dd on her recommendation. We are going to see our pediatrican at 3pm but only to document what is going on and not because I'm going to let him treat her in anyway. She seems to be suffering some sort of memory loss. It is not constant but we are seeing some very concerning loss of names of things. (For example - she sat and stared at a Qtip this morning and then asked me what it was like she had never seen one before.) She has said two completely non-sensical sentences in the last 24 hrs. And today forgot the name of two places we had been in the last week. (Which really frustrated her and she started crying and hitting herself. I have NEVER seen her do that before. It just isnt her temperament.) So, I'm concerned and yes, prayers are greatly appreciated! April On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Rina Barillas <kisses4chuly@...> wrote: > April, for what it is worth, you will remain in my prayers. I am sorry > to hear of this and I will pray she gets better. God Bless you and your > family. > > Love, Rina > > april Eisele <april.eisele@... <april.eisele%40gmail.com>> wrote: > Hi, > > My name is April and my husband and I live in Colorado with our three > wonderful kiddos, ages 5, 6 & 7. We adopted all of our children from S. > Korea and have very little health history from their birth families so I > have no idea if immunizations were an issue for them. Here is my reason > for > joining the group... > > Our youngest dd had her 5 yr old check-up on Tues. Despite my concerns > over > giving 4 vaccinations at one time, I let our pediatrician convince me > everything would be fine. And since it was with my older two children, I > believed him. (If only I could go back in time.) > > 18 hrs later the vomiting began. She threw up every 15min for hours and > hours and hours. Then the fever started. Then she became very lethargic. > She > just laid on the bed and wouldn't even watch cartoons - > she just stared at the wall and fell asleep every 2 minutes. The minute > this > all began I called our pediatrician's office and spoke w/ the doctor on > call. (It was 5am.) He said to keep her hydrated and > she would be fine. I let it go a few more hours and then called the office > and insisted on taking her in. > > Our Dr. said he thought it was a reaction to her DTaP vaccination. He > recommended Tylenol suppositories to get her fever down and told me to > keep > her as hydrated as possible. He said if this is as bad as it is going to > get > we could expect it to last another 48 to 72 hours. If it is going to get > worse we would be watching for seizures next. He said, " Well at least she > doesn't have to have this one again > until she is 12 or 13 " . My thought was, " What?! Why would I ever let them > give this to her again?? " > > She slept all evening. She didn't even complain about the suppositories. I > gave her a sip of fluids or an ice chip every second she was awake. But > then > the twitching began. It wasn't a seizure (our oldest dd has had febrile > seizures and this was not like that) but more a rhythmic twitching while > she > slept. I called the doctor again immediately and was told " it could just > be > her body's reaction to the immunizations " but we didn't need to bring her > in > unless her fever was over 104.5 or she had a " full blown seizure " . > > So I put her in bed right next to us and watched her sleep all night. She > is > very sleepy again this today but the vomiting has stopped. She is > EXTREMELY > emotional and not herself at all. The fever is down to around 99.5. My > biggest concern right now is random nonsensical sentences. She will > suddenly say something that makes NO sense at all, stop and look confused, > and then quickly try to go on. I feel very lost as I don't know what to > expect, what I should be doing for her, and I feel like we were left very > much on our own. > > I appreciate a place to come for support and any insight/advice any of you > may have to share and am grateful for the opportunity to look through all > of > the information on this site. > > April > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 At 01:52 PM 4/4/2008, you wrote: Thank you, Rina. It means a lot. I was able to contact a homeopathic doctor in Denver and just started dd on her recommendation. Oh goodness............who did you contact What remedy did she give you? I was trying to find one I know is good, not just anyone Sheri We are going to see our pediatrican at 3pm but only to document what is going on and not because I'm going to let him treat her in anyway. She seems to be suffering some sort of memory loss. It is not constant but we are seeing some very concerning loss of names of things. (For example - she sat and stared at a Qtip this morning and then asked me what it was like she had never seen one before.) She has said two completely non-sensical sentences in the last 24 hrs. And today forgot the name of two places we had been in the last week. (Which really frustrated her and she started crying and hitting herself. I have NEVER seen her do that before. It just isnt her temperament.) So, I'm concerned and yes, prayers are greatly appreciated! April On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Rina Barillas <kisses4chuly@...> wrote: > April, for what it is worth, you will remain in my prayers. I am sorry > to hear of this and I will pray she gets better. God Bless you and your > family. > > Love, Rina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Sheri - I keep trying to email you and it keeps bouncing back???? On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 2:26 PM, <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: > At 01:52 PM 4/4/2008, you wrote: > Thank you, Rina. It means a lot. > > I was able to contact a homeopathic doctor in Denver and just started dd > on > her recommendation. > > Oh goodness............who did you contact > > What remedy did she give you? > > I was trying to find one I know is good, not just anyone > Sheri > > We are going to see our pediatrican at 3pm but only to > document what is going on and not because I'm going to let him treat her > in > anyway. She seems to be suffering some sort of memory loss. It is not > constant but we are seeing some very concerning loss of names of things. > (For example - she sat and stared at a Qtip this morning and then asked me > what it was like she had never seen one before.) She has said two > completely non-sensical sentences in the last 24 hrs. And today forgot the > name of two places we had been in the last week. (Which really frustrated > her and she started crying and hitting herself. I have NEVER seen her do > that before. It just isnt her temperament.) > > So, I'm concerned and yes, prayers are greatly appreciated! > April > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Rina Barillas <kisses4chuly@...<kisses4chuly%40> > > > wrote: > > > April, for what it is worth, you will remain in my prayers. I am sorry > > to hear of this and I will pray she gets better. God Bless you and your > > family. > > > > Love, Rina > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Hello Everyone! My name is beth. I have learned how to think " outside of the box " and seek alternatives when it comes to health care due to my own poor health history. About four years ago, I heard about the mercury in vaccines. I thought, how could something so harmful be in something so good? I attended an info meeting put on by a Dr. who treats autism, and a mom who's daughter was injured by vaccines in our area(Dr. Coller and Sharon Wainer?). The info was shocking! We knew that if/when we had children we would have to really look into the vaccinations. After many years, we have been so blessed with a daughter. She is 5 months old, been breastfed exclusively so far, and not vaccinated. We were thinking we would delay and separate some of the vaccines according to a suggested schedule in " What your Dr. may not tell you about children's vaccinations " . She would receive her Hib and IPV at 4 months followed by DTaP at 5 months. I was dreading the first shots. I didn't think I had a choice though. I thought they were required for school. Fortunately, she had a little cold so I said no shots, and someone encouraged me to look into exemptions and alternatives to the vaccines. Then, we thought we would delay any vaccines until she is two years old and I would continue to research in the mean time. But, the more I research the more appalled I become. My goal is to continue to research, be able to briefly explain to Dr. and others our decision( in an intelligent manner), and to learn more about how to use Homeopathy for the illnesses/diseases. I am so appreciative to Sheri and everyone else for all of the info here. I have so much to learn!! beth, Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Hi, beth. Good for you to pursue the facts about vaccines. I think how you put it--the more you research, the more appalled you are about vaccines--is a good enough explanation for the doctor. You do NOT need to defend your decisions to your employee, which is what your doctor is. I wish I had been as inquisitive before vaccinating. There is a lot to learn. I am still learning after 15 years. Good luck! Winnie Re: New Member Introduction Vaccinations > Hello Everyone! > My name is beth. I have learned how to think " outside of > the > box " and seek alternatives when it comes to health care due to > my own > poor health history. About four years ago, I heard about the > mercury > in vaccines. I thought, how could something so harmful be in > something so good? I attended an info meeting put on by a Dr. > who > treats autism, and a mom who's daughter was injured by vaccines > in > our area(Dr. Coller and Sharon Wainer?). The info was > shocking! We knew that if/when we had children we would have to > really look into the vaccinations. After many years, we have > been so > blessed with a daughter. She is 5 months old, been breastfed > exclusively so far, and not vaccinated. We were thinking we > would > delay and separate some of the vaccines according to a suggested > schedule in " What your Dr. may not tell you about children's > vaccinations " . She would receive her Hib and IPV at 4 months > followed by DTaP at 5 months. I was dreading the first shots. > I > didn't think I had a choice though. I thought they were required > for > school. Fortunately, she had a little cold so I said no shots, > and > someone encouraged me to look into exemptions and alternatives > to the > vaccines. Then, we thought we would delay any vaccines until she > is > two years old and I would continue to research in the mean time. > > But, the more I research the more appalled I become. My goal is > to > continue to research, be able to briefly explain to Dr. and > others > our decision( in an intelligent manner), and to learn more about > how > to use Homeopathy for the illnesses/diseases. I am so > appreciative > to Sheri and everyone else for all of the info here. I have so > much > to learn!! > beth, > Michigan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 beth, You sound a lot like me in how we both approached vaccine research, the path to choosing no vaccines, and what we want to do to learn more about it all. We did do the Hib, but haven't done any others, and we won't be. I'm often running into situations where people think I'm nuts about not vaccinating, and mostly ignore my comments. This is discouraging, to say the least. But it's nice to see other people who agree and realize the harms involved with vaccines. ~Robyn eak7395 wrote: > > Hello Everyone! > My name is beth. I have learned how to think " outside of the > box " and seek alternatives when it comes to health care due to my own > poor health history. About four years ago, I heard about the mercury > in vaccines. I thought, how could something so harmful be in > something so good? I attended an info meeting put on by a Dr. who > treats autism, and a mom who's daughter was injured by vaccines in > our area(Dr. Coller and Sharon Wainer?). The info was > shocking! We knew that if/when we had children we would have to > really look into the vaccinations. After many years, we have been so > blessed with a daughter. She is 5 months old, been breastfed > exclusively so far, and not vaccinated. We were thinking we would > delay and separate some of the vaccines according to a suggested > schedule in " What your Dr. may not tell you about children's > vaccinations " . She would receive her Hib and IPV at 4 months > followed by DTaP at 5 months. I was dreading the first shots. I > didn't think I had a choice though. I thought they were required for > school. Fortunately, she had a little cold so I said no shots, and > someone encouraged me to look into exemptions and alternatives to the > vaccines. Then, we thought we would delay any vaccines until she is > two years old and I would continue to research in the mean time. > But, the more I research the more appalled I become. My goal is to > continue to research, be able to briefly explain to Dr. and others > our decision( in an intelligent manner), and to learn more about how > to use Homeopathy for the illnesses/diseases. I am so appreciative > to Sheri and everyone else for all of the info here. I have so much > to learn!! > beth, > Michigan > > -- Robyn robyn@... <mailto:%20robyn@...> http://www.rmcsquared.net/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Robyn, They might be ignoring your comments at the moment, but you plant the seed for them to think about later. Even if someone wants to pass along to others what a nut you are, they might be surprised to hear responses defending you or that they also don't vaccinate. It starts the ball rollings to talk about it. I used to vaccinate my kids. During a casual conversation about some health concern I had, the other person commented that I probably caused more damage by vaccinating. It opened my eyes in a flash. Most people I knew vaccinated and now I run into whole herds of them who won't!! Winnie Re: Re: New Member Introduction Vaccinations > beth, > You sound a lot like me in how we both approached vaccine > research, the > path to choosing no vaccines, and what we want to do to learn > more about > it all. We did do the Hib, but haven't done any others, and we > won't be. > I'm often running into situations where people think I'm nuts > about not > vaccinating, and mostly ignore my comments. This is > discouraging, to say > the least. But it's nice to see other people who agree and > realize the > harms involved with vaccines. > ~Robyn > > eak7395 wrote: > > > > Hello Everyone! > > My name is beth. I have learned how to think " outside of the > > box " and seek alternatives when it comes to health care due to > my own > > poor health history. About four years ago, I heard about the mercury > > in vaccines. I thought, how could something so harmful be in > > something so good? I attended an info meeting put on by a Dr. who > > treats autism, and a mom who's daughter was injured by > vaccines in > > our area(Dr. Coller and Sharon Wainer?). The info was > > shocking! We knew that if/when we had children we would have to > > really look into the vaccinations. After many years, we have > been so > > blessed with a daughter. She is 5 months old, been breastfed > > exclusively so far, and not vaccinated. We were thinking we would > > delay and separate some of the vaccines according to a suggested > > schedule in " What your Dr. may not tell you about children's > > vaccinations " . She would receive her Hib and IPV at 4 months > > followed by DTaP at 5 months. I was dreading the first shots. I > > didn't think I had a choice though. I thought they were > required for > > school. Fortunately, she had a little cold so I said no shots, and > > someone encouraged me to look into exemptions and alternatives > to the > > vaccines. Then, we thought we would delay any vaccines until > she is > > two years old and I would continue to research in the mean time. > > But, the more I research the more appalled I become. My goal > is to > > continue to research, be able to briefly explain to Dr. and others > > our decision( in an intelligent manner), and to learn more > about how > > to use Homeopathy for the illnesses/diseases. I am so appreciative > > to Sheri and everyone else for all of the info here. I have so much > > to learn!! > > beth, > > Michigan > > > > > > -- > Robyn > robyn@... > http://www.rmcsquared.net/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Welcome Casey. You are definately in the right place to connect with may others who take active part in speaking out. Some on a much bigger scale than others. But all in our own way. I am sure you will get a lot out of this group. I know I do. And congratulations on your babies first birthday. Fieldman New Member Introduction Hello Everyone - I am so glad to have found you all! Our baby girl turns 1 this week. As new parents living a natural lifestyle we thought we had all the information we needed in preparing for our daughter. Once our beautiful DD arrived and a few doctor visits later, I had a pit in my stomach and hesitation about the vaccinations. At her 6-month appointment the doctor wanted to administer a flu shot in addition to the several she just received. My mind was spinning thinking this is too many shots for a little baby. The doctor told us that if she does not have the vaccinations she could get sick and die. We passed on the flu shot that day, went home thought about it. Still misinformed and misguided, my husband and I went to a clinic they were having. We walked in and saw all the people herded in this office. I was very overwhelming. My husband said, " Well this is how they make a ton of money". phine got the first shot and we never went back for the second. Later I discovered that the flu vaccine still contains mercury and they are not 100% effective. I spent the next several months reading and researching myself. I looked at the ingredients of the vaccines and said, "HELL NO!" I looked further and found that the risks of vaccine reaction and injury out weigh any possible benefits that vaccines claim. The more I read and discovered I was frustrated and outraged. I also considered the motives and motivation from both sides. The common thread is that each side wants to protect the health and lives of our children. The mainstream side is not entertaining the thought that the vaccines and amount we give our children is an issue. This is a grave mistake. Our doctors and government steer the way the CDC and other organizations tell them without a second thought. The problem is that vaccines have become a big business and like all businesses they want to increase profits. How do they do that? They make more vaccines and create an ambush of a vaccination schedule that is highly toxic and damages the brain, immune system, and from birth begins antibiotic resistance. Twenty plus years ago it was 1 in 100,000 children had autism. Now since the birth of mass vaccinations we have 1 in 150 autistic children, many with vaccines reactions and others with chronic conditions. It does not take a scientific proof to figure out that there is a strong connection. Parents need to be the best advocates for their children. There are many myths about vaccinations and the diseases. Besides certain laws that apply only to government medical specialists - there is no law that enforces the mandatory use of any vaccine in the United States. Enforced medical treatment is an assault and a violation of the 14th amendment. You do have a right to say no. Parents need to dismantle the all the information and see that there is already enough evidence that vaccines are harmful. The children with vaccine injuries are enough evidence for me. We all have a choice and I will not voluntarily put anything that is toxic or potentially damaging into my daughters developing body. I have turned my frustration into a positive and I am working on producing a National Media Campaign for Vaccine Awareness. I also want to inspire others to be a voice for change. Post Awareness flyers - hand out informational business cards, write your elected officials ,send information to drs, teachers etc. I know that we will not stand by and let the bully's get their way. One of my favorite organizations is Healthy Child, Healthy World and in one of their videos that quote " If we don't stand for Children we don't stand for much." There are so many people on this list if we act together we can make change happen. I look forward to learning more, contributing and supporting you all. Be Well, Casey and Family PS: Does anyone organize any missions( actions for awareness) for the month on this list? Learn - Shop - Explore - www.SunshineOrganics.net Holistic Moms Network - www.holisticmoms.org Creating Healthy Environments for our Children - www.healthychild.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Great summary, Casey, especially for someone who has only been at this for a few months! I think one of the most critical things we can do to effect change is to inform parents that they do not have to vaccinate their children for school. I have met more people who were furious to learn that they didn't have to vaccinate their children. Having exemptions is not enough. People need to know they exist, people who might not be researching the vaccine issue otherwise. I think it's really terrific that you've gotten involved in such an active way. Good for you! Winnie New Member IntroductionVaccinations > Hello Everyone -> > I am so glad to have found you all! Our baby girl turns 1 this week.> > As new parents living a natural lifestyle we thought we had all > the > information we needed in preparing for our daughter.> > Once our beautiful DD arrived and a few doctor visits later, I > had a > pit in my stomach and hesitation about the vaccinations.> > At her 6-month appointment the doctor wanted to administer a flu > shot > in addition to the several she just received. My mind was > spinning > thinking this is too many shots for a little baby. The doctor > told > us that if she does not have the vaccinations she could get sick > and > die. We passed on the flu shot that day, went home thought > about it. > Still misinformed and misguided, my husband and I went to a > clinic > they were having. We walked in and saw all the people herded in > this > office. I was very overwhelming. My husband said, " Well this > is how > they make a ton of money". phine got the first shot and we > never > went back for the second. Later I discovered that the flu > vaccine > still contains mercury and they are not 100% effective.> > I spent the next several months reading and researching > myself. I > looked at the ingredients of the vaccines and said, "HELL NO!" I > > looked further and found that the risks of vaccine reaction and > injury out weigh any possible benefits that vaccines claim. The > more > I read and discovered I was frustrated and outraged.> > > > I also considered the motives and motivation from both sides. > The > common thread is that each side wants to protect the health and > lives > of our children. The mainstream side is not entertaining the > thought > that the vaccines and amount we give our children is an issue. > This > is a grave mistake. Our doctors and government steer the way > the CDC > and other organizations tell them without a second thought. The > > problem is that vaccines have become a big business and like all > > businesses they want to increase profits. How do they do that? > They > make more vaccines and create an ambush of a vaccination > schedule > that is highly toxic and damages the brain, immune system, and > from > birth begins antibiotic resistance.> > > > Twenty plus years ago it was 1 in 100,000 children had autism. > Now > since the birth of mass vaccinations we have 1 in 150 autistic > children, many with vaccines reactions and others with chronic > conditions. It does not take a scientific proof to figure out > that > there is a strong connection.> > > > Parents need to be the best advocates for their children. There > are > many myths about vaccinations and the diseases. Besides certain > laws > that apply only to government medical specialists - there is no > law > that enforces the mandatory use of any vaccine in the United > States. > Enforced medical treatment is an assault and a violation of the > 14th > amendment. You do have a right to say no.> > > > Parents need to dismantle the all the information and see that > there > is already enough evidence that vaccines are harmful. The > children > with vaccine injuries are enough evidence for me. We all have a > choice and I will not voluntarily put anything that is toxic or > potentially damaging into my daughters developing body.> > I have turned my frustration into a positive and I am working on > > producing a National Media Campaign for Vaccine Awareness. I > also > want to inspire others to be a voice for change.> Post Awareness flyers - hand out informational business cards, > write > your elected officials ,send information to drs, teachers etc. > I > know that we will not stand by and let the bully's get their way.> One of my favorite organizations is Healthy Child, Healthy World > and > in one of their videos that quote " If we don't stand for > Children we > don't stand for much."> There are so many people on this list if we act together we can > make > change happen.> > I look forward to learning more, contributing and supporting you all.> > Be Well,> Casey and Family> > PS: Does anyone organize any missions( actions for awareness) > for the > month on this list?> > Learn - Shop - Explore - www.SunshineOrganics.net> > Holistic Moms Network - www.holisticmoms.org> > Creating Healthy Environments for our Children - www.healthychild.org> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Hi, Joyce. Welcome! Funny, I was told that 10 days is the magic numbers for MMR reactions, and saw it happen in my own son. He had the same unexplained fever from nowhere. The pamphlet given to me actually stated that reactions don't happen after 10 days. Hmm... I agree vaccinating is not the way to go. Not only do they not work but can cause great harm. As for keeping your children from getting those diseases, rest assured none of my kids have gotten any of those (meningitis, TB, hepatitis, tetanus or rabies) in 18 years. I don't go out of way to avoid people, in fact we are all over the place. We also live in the woods--high risk of rabies/Lyme disease. Never got it. I know scads of people with Lyme disease and all are vaccinated, so I suspect a connection there. Just take each day as it comes and if your child gets sick, keep them home for rest and fluids. Keep a stash of homepathics/vitamins, a vaporizer, and a bottle of hydrogen peroxide on hand. That should get you through most problems. Are you getting SI therapy for your son? One of mine had great results from it. Winnie New member introduction Vaccinations > Hi all, > > My name is Joyce, I am mom to two boys (5inNovember) and > (2). I am 23 weeks pregnant with our 3rd baby boy. I > live in South Africa, with my husband Devlin. > > Our oldest son is fully vaccinated, and was " diagnosed " with > sensory processing disorder (or sensory intergration > dysfunction) a few months before his third birthday. We did not > make the connection to his 9 month Measles vaccination at the > time. > > A week before our youngest was due for his 18 month shots, a > good friend gave me the book " vaccinations deception and tragedy > by Dye. " Our little one had a cold, and so it was the > perfect excuse to cancel his appointment and do further > research, but the clinic Sister said that it did not matter that > he was ill, I could still bring him. At this point I had no > choice but to put the phone down in her ear, as it seemed she > was not willing to take no for an answer. We did some research > and found that our oldest ended up in hospital 10 days after his > 9 month measles vaccination with " an unexplained high fever " . > We believe that this could have something to do with his sensory > processing problems. > > As we live in Africa, we are nervous about not vaccinating. > Things like TB, meningitis, and Hepatitis are quite common in > our country, and we are wondering what we can do to keep our > children healthy. Vaccinations are definately not the way to > go, but our homeopath did suggest homeopathic vaccinations, I > still do not believe that these are good but can't seem to find > much information about them. > > I breastfed both my boys for 6 months and for 9 > months, and I cant say that they were in any way more healthy > than their bottle-fed friends. I couldn't understand it then, > but it all makes sense now. > > Short of eating an 80% raw food diet, and becomming hermits, > never leaving our home, how can we keep our children from > contracting things like Meningitis, TB and Hepatitis. I really > do not care about things like chickenpox (although I was stupid > enough to buy into the clinic sister playing on my sentiments of > my child getting horrible scars, and so did " chicken vax " my > oldest) Also things like tetanus and rabies, if they are bitten > by a stray animal, or are cut by something dirty and rusty, how > do we prevent tetanus or rabies. > > Kind Regards > Joyce Del-Frate > Gauteng, South Africa > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Hi Winnie, Thanks for your reply, you are really quick! Yes has been seeing an occupational therapist once a week since before his third birthday. He was also seeing a speech therapist, but absolutely hated it and was making no progress (according to her), everyone else (family and friends) thought he was doing great, so we stopped that!!! The OT is very happy with his progress, but as he gets older, I see new SI characteristics comming out (maybe i'm just being over sensitive) I assume you do not agree with homeopathic vaccines? How can I go about finding a good homeopath here in South Africa, as I am starting to have doubts about mine. Sorry to sound stupid, but you mentioned hydrogen peroxide (I do have a bottle in my freezer, bought it to make toothpaste) what else could or should I be using it for? Regards Joyce New member introduction Vaccinations > Hi all, > > My name is Joyce, I am mom to two boys (5inNovember) and > (2). I am 23 weeks pregnant with our 3rd baby boy. I > live in South Africa, with my husband Devlin. > > Our oldest son is fully vaccinated, and was " diagnosed " with > sensory processing disorder (or sensory intergration > dysfunction) a few months before his third birthday. We did not > make the connection to his 9 month Measles vaccination at the > time. > > A week before our youngest was due for his 18 month shots, a > good friend gave me the book " vaccinations deception and tragedy > by Dye. " Our little one had a cold, and so it was the > perfect excuse to cancel his appointment and do further > research, but the clinic Sister said that it did not matter that > he was ill, I could still bring him. At this point I had no > choice but to put the phone down in her ear, as it seemed she > was not willing to take no for an answer. We did some research > and found that our oldest ended up in hospital 10 days after his > 9 month measles vaccination with " an unexplained high fever " . > We believe that this could have something to do with his sensory > processing problems. > > As we live in Africa, we are nervous about not vaccinating. > Things like TB, meningitis, and Hepatitis are quite common in > our country, and we are wondering what we can do to keep our > children healthy. Vaccinations are definately not the way to > go, but our homeopath did suggest homeopathic vaccinations, I > still do not believe that these are good but can't seem to find > much information about them. > > I breastfed both my boys for 6 months and for 9 > months, and I cant say that they were in any way more healthy > than their bottle-fed friends. I couldn't understand it then, > but it all makes sense now. > > Short of eating an 80% raw food diet, and becomming hermits, > never leaving our home, how can we keep our children from > contracting things like Meningitis, TB and Hepatitis. I really > do not care about things like chickenpox (although I was stupid > enough to buy into the clinic sister playing on my sentiments of > my child getting horrible scars, and so did " chicken vax " my > oldest) Also things like tetanus and rabies, if they are bitten > by a stray animal, or are cut by something dirty and rusty, how > do we prevent tetanus or rabies. > > Kind Regards > Joyce Del-Frate > Gauteng, South Africa > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Hi, Joyce. I use hydrogen peroxide for wound cleaning. It gets right in there and cleans everything out. My kids usually screech so I assume that means it's working. I don't really know much about homeopathic vaccines but homeopathy is used based on conditions at the time, not future ones. At least that's how I view it. I'm not sure how to find a homeopath in Africa but surely someone here knows. As for the OT, my son benefited from it in the language area, once for speaking and again for reading. The speech therapist didn't do much for him, either. Your son may very well show different SI characteristics as he matures, but try to remember not all of them are a sign of dysfunction and need therapy. If he's learning, socially adjusted and can read/write, that's pretty good. Winnie New member introduction > Vaccinations > > > Hi all, > > > > My name is Joyce, I am mom to two boys (5inNovember) > and > > (2). I am 23 weeks pregnant with our 3rd baby boy. I > > live in South Africa, with my husband Devlin. > > > > Our oldest son is fully vaccinated, and was " diagnosed " with > > sensory processing disorder (or sensory intergration > > dysfunction) a few months before his third birthday. We did > not > > make the connection to his 9 month Measles vaccination at > the > > time. > > > > A week before our youngest was due for his 18 month shots, a > > good friend gave me the book " vaccinations deception and > tragedy > > by Dye. " Our little one had a cold, and so it was > the > > perfect excuse to cancel his appointment and do further > > research, but the clinic Sister said that it did not matter > that > > he was ill, I could still bring him. At this point I had no > > choice but to put the phone down in her ear, as it seemed > she > > was not willing to take no for an answer. We did some > research > > and found that our oldest ended up in hospital 10 days after > his > > 9 month measles vaccination with " an unexplained high > fever " . > > We believe that this could have something to do with his > sensory > > processing problems. > > > > As we live in Africa, we are nervous about not vaccinating. > > Things like TB, meningitis, and Hepatitis are quite common > in > > our country, and we are wondering what we can do to keep our > > children healthy. Vaccinations are definately not the way to > > go, but our homeopath did suggest homeopathic vaccinations, > I > > still do not believe that these are good but can't seem to > find > > much information about them. > > > > I breastfed both my boys for 6 months and > for 9 > > months, and I cant say that they were in any way more > healthy > > than their bottle-fed friends. I couldn't understand it > then, > > but it all makes sense now. > > > > Short of eating an 80% raw food diet, and becomming hermits, > > never leaving our home, how can we keep our children from > > contracting things like Meningitis, TB and Hepatitis. I > really > > do not care about things like chickenpox (although I was > stupid > > enough to buy into the clinic sister playing on my > sentiments of > > my child getting horrible scars, and so did " chicken vax " my > > oldest) Also things like tetanus and rabies, if they are > bitten > > by a stray animal, or are cut by something dirty and rusty, > how > > do we prevent tetanus or rabies. > > > > Kind Regards > > Joyce Del-Frate > > Gauteng, South Africa > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Hi Joyce and welcome to the group. I totally understand your concerns as my family lives in Korea and we will be relocating every 3 yrs to other countries. TB is also common in Korea and scares me ALOT. Also, my hubby travels to other countries that have other diseases and I worry about what he may bring back. He was in China, Mongolia and several parts of Korea just in the past month. He is due to go to Iraq at the beginning of the year and I worry about what he may come in contact with BUT I worry about the vaccines more. I guess my best suggestion or at least what I do is try not to worry about who they are around and just feed them good healthy meals and take it 1 day at a time. Honestly there are NO guarantees no matter what we decide. We could not vaccinate and they could catch a disease, we could vaccinate and they could either get sick from the vaccines or still catch the disease even though they are vaccinated. I just try to go with my gut feeling and what feels right for me and my family. I also worry about malaria......it is common here and at any given time you will find at least 3-4 bites on myself and my kids. BUT I do not stay inside due to the fear of it...........I do use bug spray and try to come in if it gets bad but I refuse to be a " prisoner in my own home " because of the bugs outside. I just try to do what feels right and use as much proection as I feel is safe. I do notlike putting bug spray on my kids everyday either so I try to find the balance for us. I hope this helps and I DO understand your fears being in another country where there is more disease...... ~Beth > > Hi all, > > My name is Joyce, I am mom to two boys (5inNovember) and (2). I am 23 weeks pregnant with our 3rd baby boy. I live in South Africa, with my husband Devlin. > > Our oldest son is fully vaccinated, and was " diagnosed " with sensory processing disorder (or sensory intergration dysfunction) a few months before his third birthday. We did not make the connection to his 9 month Measles vaccination at the time. > > A week before our youngest was due for his 18 month shots, a good friend gave me the book " vaccinations deception and tragedy by Dye. " Our little one had a cold, and so it was the perfect excuse to cancel his appointment and do further research, but the clinic Sister said that it did not matter that he was ill, I could still bring him. At this point I had no choice but to put the phone down in her ear, as it seemed she was not willing to take no for an answer. We did some research and found that our oldest ended up in hospital 10 days after his 9 month measles vaccination with " an unexplained high fever " . We believe that this could have something to do with his sensory processing problems. > > As we live in Africa, we are nervous about not vaccinating. Things like TB, meningitis, and Hepatitis are quite common in our country, and we are wondering what we can do to keep our children healthy. Vaccinations are definately not the way to go, but our homeopath did suggest homeopathic vaccinations, I still do not believe that these are good but can't seem to find much information about them. > > I breastfed both my boys for 6 months and for 9 months, and I cant say that they were in any way more healthy than their bottle-fed friends. I couldn't understand it then, but it all makes sense now. > > Short of eating an 80% raw food diet, and becomming hermits, never leaving our home, how can we keep our children from contracting things like Meningitis, TB and Hepatitis. I really do not care about things like chickenpox (although I was stupid enough to buy into the clinic sister playing on my sentiments of my child getting horrible scars, and so did " chicken vax " my oldest) Also things like tetanus and rabies, if they are bitten by a stray animal, or are cut by something dirty and rusty, how do we prevent tetanus or rabies. > > Kind Regards > Joyce Del-Frate > Gauteng, South Africa > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 At 02:31 AM 9/16/2008, you wrote: >Hi Joyce and welcome to the group. I totally understand your >concerns as my family lives in Korea and we will be relocating every >3 yrs to other countries. TB is also common in Korea and scares me >ALOT. Healthy children do not get TB >Also, my hubby travels to other countries that have other >diseases and I worry about what he may bring back. You really can't bring anything back, unless you actually have it. > He was in China, >Mongolia and several parts of Korea just in the past month. He is >due to go to Iraq at the beginning of the year and I worry about >what he may come in contact with BUT I worry about the vaccines >more. exactly >I guess my best suggestion or at least what I do is try not to worry >about who they are around and just feed them good healthy meals and >take it 1 day at a time. Honestly there are NO guarantees no matter >what we decide. We could not vaccinate and they could catch a >disease, we could vaccinate and they could either get sick from the >vaccines or still catch the disease even though they are >vaccinated. I just try to go with my gut feeling and what feels >right for me and my family. I also worry about malaria......it is >common here and at any given time you will find at least 3-4 bites >on myself and my kids. BUT I do not stay inside due to the fear of >it...........I do use bug spray and try to come in if it gets bad >but I refuse to be a " prisoner in my own home " because of the bugs >outside. Be careful with using bug spray. Can you get something natural. Burn citronella or something? > I just try to do what feels right and use as much proection >as I feel is safe. I do notlike putting bug spray on my kids >everyday either so I try to find the balance for us. That is not a good idea. >I hope this helps and I DO understand your fears being in another >country where there is more disease...... I don't know if I agree with the above. So much disease in the US has been suppressed - acute disease and now we see more chronic disease I'd rather have acute disease Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes Sept 10, 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 > Be careful with using bug spray. Can you get something natural. > Burn citronella or something? > We have a lot of mosquitoes around our house so I had to buy *something*. I wound up getting a natural bug repellant from Tropical Traditions. It's based on coconut oil and all natural. Works great - and moisturizes your skin to boot! They have plenty of other natural products that are great. As a side note, I grew up in Eastern Europe, in a middle of a pretty filthy city. The air was so bad, we had to wipe our window sills every day they were so black. After Chernobyl, who knows what was in the air. Interestingly enough, my brother and I never got sick. We never missed a day of school until I was in 7th grade and had bronchitis. He never had anything !!! We never went to the doctor - especially not for colds. We used natural home remedies most of the time. On the bad side, we were fully vaxed (but it was in the late 70s/early 80s so maybe not as much as we would be today... Just something to keep in mind. Interestingly enough, we went outside every day - even with snow !! My mom regularly took us for walks - even as we were babies. I would concentrate on natural food, no junk, going outside to get the sun and keeping all chemicals to a minimum. Do the best you can, but don't freak out !! Just my 2 cents.. Magda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 My Register from the Society of Homeopaths in the UK lists a homoeopath in Cape Town. If that is any good to you, I will forward her contact details? Sue x -- Re: New member introduction Hi, Joyce. I use hydrogen peroxide for wound cleaning. It gets right in there and cleans everything out. My kids usually screech so I assume that means it's working. I don't really know much about homeopathic vaccines but homeopathy is used based on conditions at the time, not future ones. At least that's how I view it. I'm not sure how to find a homeopath in Africa but surely someone here knows. As for the OT, my son benefited from it in the language area, once for speaking and again for reading. The speech therapist didn't do much for him, either. Your son may very well show different SI characteristics as he matures, but try to remember not all of them are a sign of dysfunction and need therapy. If he's learning, socially adjusted and can read/write, that's pretty good. Winnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Hi Winnie, Thanks again for your reply. How exactly do you use the Hydrogen peroxide. Do you dilute it or use it neat. The bottle fell over in my freezer a few months ago and some spilled, when I cleaned it up, it did burn my fingers and leave white marks (is this normal?) Thanks Joyce Gauteng, South Africa Re: New member introduction Vaccinations > Hi Winnie,via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 16New Members b.. 2New Photos Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Heartburn or Worse What symptoms are most serious? Food Lovers Real Food Group on find out more. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 I just pour it on straight from the bottle. It's already only 3% hydrogen peroxide. Maybe you had a stronger solution? Re: New member introduction > Vaccinations > > > Hi Winnie,via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | > Switch format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > Recent Activity > a.. 16New Members > b.. 2New Photos > Visit Your Group > Meditation and > Lovingkindness > > A Group > > to share and learn. > > Health > Heartburn or Worse > > What symptoms > > are most serious? > > Food Lovers > Real Food Group > > on > > find out more. > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Hi Beth, Thanks for your reply. It helps to know that there are other people living in countries with many diseases, who are brave enough to live day by day and not worry about what may or may not be. Your family is certainly exposed to its fair share of nasty's. We will keep you and your family in our prayers. Kind regards Joyce Gauteng, South Africa Re: New member introduction Hi Joyce and welcome to the group. I totally understand your concerns as my family lives in Korea and we will be relocating every 3 yrs to other countries. TB is also common in Korea and scares me ALOT. Also, my hubby travels to other countries that have other diseases and I worry about what he may bring back. He was in China, Mongolia and several parts of Korea just in the past month. He is due to go to Iraq at the beginning of the year and I worry about what he may come in contact with BUT I worry about the vaccines more. I guess my best suggestion or at least what I do is try not to worry about who they are around and just feed them good healthy meals and take it 1 day at a time. Honestly there are NO guarantees no matter what we decide. We could not vaccinate and they could catch a disease, we could vaccinate and they could either get sick from the vaccines or still catch the disease even though they are vaccinated. I just try to go with my gut feeling and what feels right for me and my family. I also worry about malaria......it is common here and at any given time you will find at least 3-4 bites on myself and my kids. BUT I do not stay inside due to the fear of it...........I do use bug spray and try to come in if it gets bad but I refuse to be a " prisoner in my own home " because of the bugs outside. I just try to do what feels right and use as much proection as I feel is safe. I do notlike putting bug spray on my kids everyday either so I try to find the balance for us. I hope this helps and I DO understand your fears being in another country where there is more disease...... ~Beth > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Hi Kriszta...I am Correy. Here's to you, brave lady! I hope this group can help give you the strength to know you are doing the right thing! Because you are! Besides research, I would try to contact a naturopath, chiropractor, or DO anywhere even remotely close to you. Maybe, there is a Doc who is willing to see you at least once in person and keep a relationship over the phone and by email. It is important to have someone to guide you with the health of your children. If you are completely on your own, I would learn as much as I can about homeopathy and whatever else you can learn that you feel will help you with what you believe you need to know. Then, buy whatever you need in preparation for fever, cold, nausea, or whatever.I heard there are homeopathic remedies for just about anything. Purchase, if it is feasible, as many books on the subject. You are not alone. There are many caring and knowledgeable people in this group. I was somewhat knowledgeable about the problems associated with vaccines because of my friends. But still, when I had my daughter(1year old now) I was freaked out! I didn't know what to do. So, I decided to do nothing until I was sure about my decision. I researched and read. At first, I thought I would give her shots at a later age and spread them out. This gave me even more time to research. As I did I realized that there is no way I could. My daughter has a history (because of my health) that she would be at a higher risk of having serious side affects. And...the chemicals in them. AND...the possible contamination of the viruses and bacteria! What is so unbelievable is none of the pedis even asked about my history!! And I am supposed to trust my child with them!!! No way!!! They need to stop this one size fits all medicine and stop throwing away the " few " children that are harmed! Not so " few " anymore. They just accept a certain amount of casualties and injuries! With a little common sense they could make these vaccine a whole lot safer! however, most people are afraid to see what is right in front of them! A really good website to have and register with is NVIC. I copied one of their emails to my box. And, check out this audio! http://freedomforceinternational.org/audio/Tocco-Vaccines.mp3 Dr. interviews Tocco. Don't let the ignorant Dr. intimidate you! He is clueless and you have to remember that. However, I think you will deal with him better if you realize it is ignorance and he is not trying to hurt your child on purpose. It is what he REALLY thinks is best. Just tell him your putting the shots off for awhile. Maybe, find some body else? Good luck! Correy NVIC Vaccine E-Newsletter September 17, 2008 Political Vaccinology: A Full Time Job by Barbara Loe Fisher www.vaccineawakening.blogspot.com www.NVIC.org www.StandUpBeCounted.org Taxpayer dollars funding the multi-billion dollar budget at the CDC are increasingly being used to jerk the media and the public around like puppets on a string. Keeping the politics of mandatory vaccination on the front pages of newspapers and in the broadcast booths is a full time job for the CDC's spin doctors. As soon as August rolled around, the usual cast of characters promoting forced vaccination got children ready for school by targeting parents making informed vaccine choices and blaming them for 131 cases of measles in the U.S. this year. In a state of high anxiety about the high level of vaccine education in America, officials employed by government health agencies attacked the religious, philosophical and conscientious belief exemptions in state vaccine laws because they are not subject to the legal blessing of medical doctors. Some journalists were prompted to ask whether unvaccinated children should be allowed to play with unvaccinated children although others examined whether public resistance to vaccine mandates might have something to do with gaps in scientific evidence proving vaccines policies are safe. The doctors pushing " no exceptions " mandatory vaccination laws have had a great time whipping up hysteria about the freedom to choose by alleging that runaway numbers of vaccine resisters are threatening the public health. Along with suggesting that non- medical exemptions should be removed from state laws, they are now calling for an end to medical contraindications to vaccination to give a green light to pediatricians to vaccinate even children who have suffered life threatening allergic reactions to vaccines. The pathological fear of germs driving those pushing for a license to re-vaccinate children who have suffered life threatening vaccine reactions is nothing more than a license to kill and get away with it. It is a perfect example of why we cannot trust them with our children's lives much less give medical doctors the sole legal authority to decide whether or not any of us can be exempt from government vaccine mandates. At the end of the month-long " the sky is falling " charade, how did CDC spin doctors decide to end it? By issuing a press release announcing that child vaccination rates in America have reached an all-time record level and that less than one percent of American children are totally unvaccinated! The question all Americans should be asking is this: Who is going to stop doctors and public health idealogues from playing vaccine politics with our children's lives and our civil rights? __________________________________________ " From the vaccinating parent perspective, it's a little infuriating because you don't know who these kids are, " says Brown, a vaccine proponent and co- author of the book " Baby 411. " But do others have the right to know such personal medical information? Should parents inquire about vaccination status before a play date? Some say that's taking things too far. " Do I think it's inappropriate to put a mark on people and kick them out from being able to participate in society, yeah I think it's inappropriate - it's inappropriate and it's dangerous, " says Barbara Loe Fisher, cofounder and president of the National Vaccine Information Center, a group in Vienna, Va., that describes itself as " America's Vaccine Safety Watchdog " and opposes forced vaccinations. " - Stenson, NBC 11.com (August 25, 2008) http://www.nbc11.com/msnbchealth/17289 208/detail.html " In the meantime, " parents simply have to be educated and put in the best position to consider the risks and benefits of vaccines and the various diseases. And they have to be free to make informed, voluntary decisions for their children. That includes being able to get exemptions and work with physicians to adjust vaccination schedules. Bigger and bigger government clubs are not going to work,'' Fisher said. Dr. Saad Omer, assistant professor at Emory University's School of Public Health in Atlanta, said he agrees that the public health community needs to do a better job communicating both the risks and benefits of vaccines. " And I think government and industry need to spend more, be more proactive, on vaccine safety research. " On the front lines, no provider should be dismissive of parents with concerns about vaccines. You should listen and try to address them, not kick them out of your practice,'' he added. Fisher notes, " The safety movement was largely launched by middle class moms who had the education and time to analyze the medical literature. But now we're in a third generation of parents dealing with these issues, and it's a more diverse group with a much broader reach because of the Internet. They can see that adverse reaction reports are similar around the world. " - Lee Bowman, Scripps News Service (August 27, 2008) http:// www.scrippsnews.com/node/35756 " The American Academy of Pediatrics says extensive reports from several leading researchers have found no " proven association " between autism and measles vaccines. Experts recently told the Chicago Tribune that autism " tends to emerge at the same age children receive their shots, leading to a false sense of cause and effect. " " Parental suspicion is now so high that public health officials fear it could undermine one of the most important advances in medical history, " the Tribune reported. " Although vaccination rates have remained fairly steady, pockets of vaccine rejection can lead to outbreaks of childhood diseases that were once thought conquered. " - Kravitz, Washington Post (August 28, 2008) http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washin gtonpostinvestigations/2008/08/measles_back_with_ a_vengeance.html " With close monitoring and a few standard precautions, nearly all children with known or suspected vaccine allergies can be safely immunized, according to a team of vaccine safety experts led by the s Hopkins Children's Center. Writing in the September issue of Pediatrics, the multicenter research team offers pediatricians a step- by-step tool for quickly identifying children with allergic reactions to vaccines, and a much-needed guide, they say, to safely immunize those who are allergic....Children who have had one allergic reaction are believed to be at a higher risk for future reactions, typically more serious than the first. " We cannot reiterate enough that the vaccines used today are extremely safe, but in a handful of children certain vaccine ingredients can trigger serious allergic reactions, " says Wood, M.D., lead author on the paper and chief of pediatric Allergy and Immunology at Hopkins Children's. " For the most part, even children with known allergies can be safely vaccinated. " - s Hopkins Medicine, Newswise.com (September 2, 2008) http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/543816/ " U.S. toddlers got the recommended vaccinations against childhood diseases at record levels in 2007, federal health officials said on Thursday, as they urged parents to continue to trust vaccine safety. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued its report on vaccination rates for ages 1-1/2 through 3 a day after another study came out showing no link between autism and the vaccine given to guard against measles, mumps and rubella. A record 77.4 percent of children in this age group received the full recommended series of vaccinations, the CDC said. Ninety percent of children got all but one of the six individual vaccines in the series, the CDC said. The one exception was the four doses of diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis or whooping cough vaccine, received by 84.5 percent of toddlers, the CDC said. The CDC report, based on data on 17,017 children, found that fewer than 1 percent got no vaccines. " - Will Dunham, Reuters (September 4, 2008) http://www.reuters.com/arti cle/domesticNews/idUSN0427308520080904 Strife Over Shots: Should Our Kids Play Together? by Stenson August 25, 2008 NBC 11.com http://www.nbc11.com/msnbchealth/17289 208/detail.html Karey never thought a parenting decision would come between her and a good friend. The two had known one another for a decade, supported each other through infertility treatment and had their first babies around the same time. But when she told the friend that she had stopped vaccinating her daughter at age 1, the relationship abruptly ended. " She said, 'Well then, your child can't come into my house,' " recalls , 47, who lives in the Chicago area. That's not the only time has encountered conflict because of the decision she made for her daughter, now 7. " I've had people voice their opposition to me, that I'm ruining the herd immunity.... that my child would put their child at risk, " she says. While the vast majority of American parents vaccinate their children, more appear to be opting against immunization. One study found that the percentage of parents who took personal belief exemptions to state laws requiring school-age kids to be vaccinated increased from just under 1 percent in 2001 to about 2.5 percent in 2004. Heightened attention to the heated vaccine debate has parents on both sides of the fence discussing the issues more and sometimes finding themselves in awkward or even acrimonious social situations. Whether an unvaccinated child should be kicked out of a play group was the topic of a recent ethics column in The New York Times Magazine that got considerable buzz in parenting circles. Many parents who choose not to vaccinate - often because of fear that autism could be caused by vaccines (though there's no scientific evidence of a connection), or they have other philosophical or religious objections - argue that if another person's child is immunized, what's the problem? Many parents who vaccinate feel this way too, if they think about the issue at all. But vaccines aren't an absolute guarantee. Most are 90 percent to 99 percent effective, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics. Collado, 37, of Glen Rock, N.J., says members of her son's toddler play group were " stunned " when one mother mentioned that her child wasn't vaccinated. The group didn't kick them out though, and shortly after they moved out of state. But the group felt that information should have been mentioned upfront. " Someone pointed out to her that it was her choice to do that but that she was putting everyone's kids in jeopardy by not having her kids vaccinated, " Collado says. 'Like a secret society' Knowing how volatile the subject is, many parents opposed to vaccination choose to avoid it in conversation or seek out play groups and schools with other unvaccinated children like their own, say and others. " It's sort of like a secret society, " says , who is on the board of directors of Moms Against Mercury, a North Carolina-based group that opposes the use of mercury in vaccines. " You feel each mom out and when you feel like you're on the same page, you discuss it. " Sara Michalski, 28, a mother of two unvaccinated children in Colorado Springs, Colo., says most of her friends do not immunize their kids, either. And beyond her close social circle, she's reluctant to talk much about it with others because she doesn't want to get into an argument. " I tend to avoid the subject a little unless I have some reason to think they might believe the same way, " she says. At the same time, Michalski doesn't believe the decision to not vaccinate her kids is other people's business. " This is a private health matter, and not something people are entitled to know about unless I want to tell them, " she says. Right to know? But parents who don't know who's vaccinated and who isn't have their own concerns, highlighted by the measles outbreak in San Diego earlier this year that resulted when an unvaccinated 7-year-old boy traveling to Switzerland contracted measles. The virus spread to 11 other unvaccinated children at both his school and his pediatrician's office - including a few babies who were too young to receive the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine. When news of the outbreak hit, Dr. Ari Brown says her office in Austin, Texas, received a spate of questions from worried mothers wondering if there were any nonvaccinating families in her practice, which there aren't. " Parents were outraged, " she says. " From the vaccinating parent perspective, it's a little infuriating because you don't know who these kids are, " says Brown, a vaccine proponent and co- author of the book " Baby 411. " But do others have the right to know such personal medical information? Should parents inquire about vaccination status before a play date? Some say that's taking things too far. " Do I think it's inappropriate to put a mark on people and kick them out from being able to participate in society, yeah I think it's inappropriate - it's inappropriate and it's dangerous, " says Barbara Loe Fisher, cofounder and president of the National Vaccine Information Center, a group in Vienna, Va., that describes itself as " America's Vaccine Safety Watchdog " and opposes forced vaccinations. Worries go both ways In some cases, it's not the vaccinating parents who are worried. It's those who've opted against immunizing and are afraid their kids might get sick from exposure to viruses used in certain vaccines. " If I know of someone whose child has been recently vaccinated, I will share with them the fact that my children have not ever been and ask that they help me keep our children from making direct contact, " says Gretchen McMurry, 27, of Jefferson City, Tenn. Brown says any such risk would be with " live attenuated " vaccines, which are made from weakened forms of the germs that cause infection. " I have not seen any cases reported of vaccine- associated exposure causing disease in MMR or rotavirus, " she says. " There have been three documented cases of vaccine-associated exposure with chicken pox - three cases in 30 million doses given. " Even if parents within the same social circle freely discussed vaccination status and schedules, it wouldn't eliminate exposure concerns at airports, grocery stores or the mall, for example. Amid all the controversy, some mothers on both sides of the vaccine divide say they just don't worry too much about what the other side is doing. Chantal Ouellette, 40, of Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada, hasn't encountered instances of outright rejection because her kids aren't vaccinated. When the subject comes up, though, she's sometimes viewed as " weird, unresponsible or na¯ve. " But it doesn't really faze her. " It rubs off like water on a duck's feathers, " she says. " I have made an informed decision and I'm sticking to it. Corry, 33, of Shirley, N.Y., has faith that vaccinations are going to protect both of her girls, no matter who they encounter. " I have no problem welcoming unvaccinated children into a play group, and I have no problem with them attending school, " she says. " Simply put, my children are vaccinated, the risk is minimal. I may not agree with [other] parents' choices, but there's no reason to hold that against the child. " Stenson is a freelance writer in Los Angeles. A former senior health producer for msnbc.com, her work also has appeared in publications including the Los Angeles Times, Health, Shape, Women's Health, Fit Pregnancy and Reuters Health. Fears of long-range side effects fuel vaccine debate by Lee Bowman Scripps News Service August 27, 2008 http:// www.scrippsnews.com/node/35756 Barbara Loe Fisher has been fighting about the safety of childhood vaccines for three decades. But the president of the National Vaccine Information Center says she's not opposed to vaccination so much as she's opposed to a " one-size- fits-all vaccine policy imposed by government health agencies. " She became an activist after her oldest son, experienced convulsions and brain inflammation within hours of his fourth DPT (diphtheria, pertussis and tetanus) shot at age 2 1/2 in 1980, leaving him with learning disabilities and attention deficit disorder. Although the bulk of scientific studies have found little evidence that vaccination is the cause of the growing number of young children being diagnosed with autism and other development or neurological disorders, Fisher says the question remains open because definitive, independent studies haven't been done. " We've seen a doubling of the number of vaccines and doses that the government recommends to stay healthy before age 6, while at the same time we've seen a tripling of the number of children with learning disabilities, asthma, diabetes and other conditions, " Fisher said. " The only way to put the question to rest is to do the proper science. " To her, that means a large, independent study of at least several thousand children of diverse backgrounds enrolled in a full-scale investigation into all possible environmental causes of autism. That would mean some would go unvaccinated into their teens, some partially vaccinated and the rest following standard guidelines. So far, no organization in the medical establishment has agreed to sponsor such a test. " No one is saying this is necessarily all due to the increase in vaccines, but vaccines shouldn't be left off the table when no one has come up with an answer,'' Fisher said. In the meantime, " parents simply have to be educated and put in the best position to consider the risks and benefits of vaccines and the various diseases. And they have to be free to make informed, voluntary decisions for their children. That includes being able to get exemptions and work with physicians to adjust vaccination schedules. Bigger and bigger government clubs are not going to work,'' Fisher said. Dr. Saad Omer, assistant professor at Emory University's School of Public Health in Atlanta, said he agrees that the public health community needs to do a better job communicating both the risks and benefits of vaccines. " And I think government and industry need to spend more, be more proactive, on vaccine safety research. " On the front lines, no provider should be dismissive of parents with concerns about vaccines. You should listen and try to address them, not kick them out of your practice,'' he added. Fisher notes, " The safety movement was largely launched by middle class moms who had the education and time to analyze the medical literature. But now we're in a third generation of parents dealing with these issues, and it's a more diverse group with a much broader reach because of the Internet. They can see that adverse reaction reports are similar around the world. " Yet despite an explosion of vaccine Web sites, pro and con, and assorted celebrity-led campaigns demanding safer vaccines, studies suggest that parents are most likely to accept the advice of their pediatricians on childhood immunization. Some doctors, following the lead of popular online pediatrician Dr. Sears, do cooperate with parents on spacing out shots in the first years of life at wider intervals than recommended, on the theory that some babies' immune systems are less able to handle the challenge of multiple vaccines given the same day. Other doctors treat unvaccinated kids, but only if parents sign off that they've been warned of the risks. " The public health infrastructure of this country, the CDC and the vaccine industry operate on the ideology that some adverse reactions to vaccines are acceptable to serve the greater public good. But how many is too many -- 5, 5000 or 5 million. It's a slippery ethical slope, " Fisher said. (E-mail Scripps News Service health and science writer Lee Bowman at bowmanl@...) (Distributed by Scripps News Service, http://www.scripp snews.com) Measles on Rise as Parents Question Vaccine by Kravitz Washington Post August 28, 2008 http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washin gtonpostinvestigations/2008/08/measles_back_with_ a_vengeance.html Reports of measles are on the rise, with health experts attributing the increase to the decision by some parents to forego vaccinations for their children out of fears the shots could trigger diseases. Scientific research has found no link thus far between vaccinations and diseases such as autism, but some parents remain suspicious. Pediatricians and health experts are sounding the alarm, noting that measles, which is virulently contagious, is the first disease to crop up when vaccination rates fall. In the past six months, 131 cases of measles have been reported, more than in any other six-month period in the past 12 years, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The American Academy of Pediatrics says extensive reports from several leading researchers have found no " proven association " between autism and measles vaccines. Experts recently told the Chicago Tribune that autism " tends to emerge at the same age children receive their shots, leading to a false sense of cause and effect. " " Parental suspicion is now so high that public health officials fear it could undermine one of the most important advances in medical history, " the Tribune reported. " Although vaccination rates have remained fairly steady, pockets of vaccine rejection can lead to outbreaks of childhood diseases that were once thought conquered. " Of the 131 cases reported to CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases between Jan. 1 and July 31, most were school-aged children whose parents had yet to vaccinate them. At least 15 patients were hospitalized; no deaths were reported. Illinois led the nation with 32 reported cases, followed by New York with 27 and Washington State with 19. Washington, D.C., and Virginia reported one case each. There were 55 cases of measles reported in the United States in all of 2006. Two of the biggest outbreaks, in Illinois and Washington State, occurred after unvaccinated children infected others. In Washington, a child caught the disease at a church conference attended by 3,000 junior high school students. That child infected seven other children in her household and they spread measles to 11 other people, according to the health site WebMD. Many of those infected were home- schooled and none were vaccinated due to their parents' beliefs. Health authorities are concerned that larger outbreaks of the disease could be next. Dr. Dave Tayloe Jr., president-elect of the American Academy of Pediatrics, told the Raleigh News & Observer that an epidemic can be " only a plane ride away. " The New York Times reports that the number of parents who claim a philosophical exemption to mandatory vaccine laws has grown. At least 20 states allow personal or philosophical exemptions, according to the nonprofit National Vaccine Information Center. Many parents of children afflicted with autism continue to argue that a link exists, pointing to a legal dispute in Georgia between the family of 9-year-old Hannah Poling and the federal government. In that case, a court awarded Poling a still-undetermined amount of money from a federal vaccine injury fund, finding that vaccines aggravated a rare underlying metabolic condition that resulted in a brain disorder " with features of autism spectrum disorder, " The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported. At the time, several researchers -- including Dr. Schaffner, professor and chairman of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University, and Dr. Ira Rubin of Naperville Pediatrics in Naperville, Ill. -- said legal action does not equate with scientific proof of a link between vaccines and autism. Still, Poling's case, and others like it, have left some experts asking questions. Dr. Bernadine Healy, the former head of the National Institutes of Health, told CBS News in May that a consensus opinion within the medical community over an autism-vaccine link has not been reached and that more study is needed. " I think that the public health officials have been too quick to dismiss the hypothesis as irrational, " Healy said. But the National Network for Immunization Information and two books published by the National Academies Press say autism is caused by genetics, not by any chemical found in vaccinations. -- Kravitz Most Vaccine-allergic Children Can Still be Safely Vaccinated, Experts Say Source: s Hopkins Medicine Newswise.com September 2, 2008 http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/543816/ Keywords: VACCINE ALLERGIC PEDIATRICS IMMUNIZATION ANTIHISTAMINE MUMPS MEASLES Description With close monitoring and a few standard precautions, nearly all children with known or suspected vaccine allergies can be safely immunized, according to a team of vaccine safety experts led by the s Hopkins Children's Center. Writing in the September issue of Pediatrics, the multicenter research team offers pediatricians a step-by-step tool for quickly identifying children with allergic reactions to vaccines, and a much-needed guide, they say, to safely immunize those who are allergic. Newswise - With close monitoring and a few standard precautions, nearly all children with known or suspected vaccine allergies can be safely immunized, according to a team of vaccine safety experts led by the s Hopkins Children's Center. Writing in the September issue of Pediatrics, the multicenter research team offers pediatricians a step- by-step tool for quickly identifying children with allergic reactions to vaccines, and a much-needed guide, they say, to safely immunize those who are allergic. Serious allergic reactions to vaccines are extremely rare - one or two per million vaccinations, according to some estimates - but when they happen, such episodes can be serious, even life- threatening, making it critical for pediatricians to instantly spot true allergic reactions and differentiate them from more benign nonallergic responses, investigators say. It is also crucial that pediatricians design a safe immunization plan for children with confirmed vaccine allergies. Children who have had one allergic reaction are believed to be at a higher risk for future reactions, typically more serious than the first. " We cannot reiterate enough that the vaccines used today are extremely safe, but in a handful of children certain vaccine ingredients can trigger serious allergic reactions, " says Wood, M.D., lead author on the paper and chief of pediatric Allergy and Immunology at Hopkins Children's. " For the most part, even children with known allergies can be safely vaccinated. " Given recent outbreaks of vaccine-preventable infections like measles, mumps and whooping cough in the United States, and measles and polio overseas, it is essential to safely vaccinate as many children as possible, investigators say. Combing through available evidence on vaccine safety and allergies, the Hopkins-led team developed a sequence of instructions - an algorithm - that prompts physicians one step at a time on how to evaluate and immunize children with known or suspected vaccine allergies. The guidelines are intended for doctors and parents who are uncertain about vaccine safety in children who have already had or are at high risk for having allergic reactions to vaccines. In such cases, the Hopkins-led group advises a workup by an allergist, including skin prick testing-a prick on the skin or an injection under the skin with a small dose of vaccine or the suspected allergen from the vaccine-or blood tests that would detect the presence of characteristic antibodies that patients develop to allergens, such as antibodies to gelatin or egg proteins used in several common vaccines. In many cases, allergic children can be vaccinated using alternative forms of a vaccine that are free of the allergen. Even if allergen-free formulations are unavailable, many children can still be vaccinated and remain under physician supervision for several hours after vaccination. Another option is testing the child to check for immunity. If blood tests show the child has already developed protective antibodies, it may be OK, at least temporarily, to withhold further doses of the vaccine, researchers write. " Vaccines save lives, and parents should know that children who have had allergic reactions after a vaccine are likely to have developed protection against infection as a result of the vaccination, " says investigator Neal Halsey, M.D., an infectious disease specialist at Hopkins Children's, and professor of International Health at the s Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health. " Most children who have had an allergic reaction after a vaccine can still be vaccinated against other diseases safely and some can receive additional doses of vaccines they might have reacted to, " Halsey adds. Many children with known vaccine allergies who have low levels of protective antibodies and require more doses can be vaccinated safely under the guidelines. In some cases, children with known allergies can be given antiallergy medications, such as antihistamines and corticosteroids, before vaccination to help ward off or lessen the allergic reaction. For a step-by-step guide to vaccine administration in children with known or suspected vaccine allergy, see the full text of the article at http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/future/122. 3.shtml. Immunizations of children with known vaccine allergies should always be administered under medical supervision in a clinic equipped to treat life- threatening allergic reactions or in a hospital intensive- care unit. Patients can usually go home after an hour or two if they have no adverse reactions. True allergies typically cause immediate reactions, involving the immune system as a whole that occur within a few minutes to a few hours of vaccination. By contrast, delayed reactions, which occur within days, even weeks after vaccination, are generally benign and are rarely, if ever, dangerous. Symptoms of immediate allergic reactions include hives, swelling, wheezing, coughing, low blood pressure, vomiting, diarrhea, and can lead to full-blown anaphylaxis, a life-threatening allergic reaction. The research was funded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Co-investigators on the research: Melvin Berger, M.D. Ph.D., University Hospitals of Cleveland; Dreskin, M.D. Ph.D., University of Colorado; nna Setse, M.D. M.P.H., s Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health; Renata Engler, M.D., Walter Army Medical Institute; Cornelia Dekker, M.D., Stanford University School of Medicine. The Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment Network, consisting of six medical research centers with expertise in immunization safety, was part of the study. Conflict of interest disclosure for Hopkins investigators: Halsey has received research support from vaccine manufacturer Wyeth and is a consultant for vaccine manufacturers GlaxoKline and Merck. U.S. child vaccination rates hit record levels by Will Dunham Reuters September 4, 2008 http://www.reuters.com/arti cle/domesticNews/idUSN0427308520080904 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. toddlers got the recommended vaccinations against childhood diseases at record levels in 2007, federal health officials said on Thursday, as they urged parents to continue to trust vaccine safety. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued its report on vaccination rates for ages 1-1/2 through 3 a day after another study came out showing no link between autism and the vaccine given to guard against measles, mumps and rubella. A record 77.4 percent of children in this age group received the full recommended series of vaccinations, the CDC said. Ninety percent of children got all but one of the six individual vaccines in the series, the CDC said. The one exception was the four doses of diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis or whooping cough vaccine, received by 84.5 percent of toddlers, the CDC said. The CDC report, based on data on 17,017 children, found that fewer than 1 percent got no vaccines. The immunization program's success hinges on parents' trust in vaccine safety, CDC Director Dr. Gerberding said. But public health officials have expressed concern in recent years that some parents fearful about vaccine safety were declining to get their children vaccinated, making them more apt to catch and spread preventable diseases. " We really recognize that ultimately our program is dependent on trust -- trust of moms and dads, trust of caretakers and trust of the clinicians, pediatricians (and) family practice professionals who take care of our children, " Gerberding told reporters in a conference call. CDC officials have blamed this year's largest U.S. outbreak of measles since 1997, with 135 people sickened, on lack of vaccination often due to " personal or parental beliefs. " Childhood vaccinations save an estimated 33,000 lives per year in the United States, the CDC's Dr. Anne Schuchat said. Coverage with the full vaccine series ranged among states from 91 percent in land to 63 percent in Nevada. The recommended series tracked in the report was: four doses of diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis vaccine; three doses of polio vaccine; one or more doses of measles, mumps and rubella (German measles) vaccine; three doses of Haemophilus influenzae type b vaccine (Hib); three doses of hepatitis B vaccine; and one or more doses of chickenpox vaccine. National Vaccine Information Center NVIC E-News is a free service of the National Vaccine Information Center and is supported through donations. NVIC is funded through the financial support of its members and does not receive any government subsidies. Barbara Loe Fisher, President and Co- founder. Learn more about vaccines, diseases and how to protect your informed consent rights www.nvic.org Make a difference SUPPORT NVIC Quick Links... VACCINE AWAKENING BLOG ARE WE OVERVACCINATING OUR CHILDREN? Vaccine Safety Bulletin STATE LAWS AND EXEMPTIONS International Memorial For Vaccine Victims Military Biodefence Vaccine Project HPV VACCINE FACTS The Doctor's Corner Stand Up and Be Counted Campaign Join our mailing list! email: news@... phone: 703-938-dpt3 web: http://www.nvic.org Forward email This email was sent to kdhrtd@... by news@.... Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe™ | Privacy Policy. Email Marketing by National Vaccine Information Center | 204 Mill St. | Suite B1 | Vienna | VA | 22180 > > Hi, > My name is Kriszta, I have joined the list to get suggestions, tips, > support and help. > > I have a 4 year old son, who was diagnosed with autism, and has tons of > allergies. He is fully vaccinated. (And will not get another vaccine!) > > I have a 4 month old baby, who hass not received any vaccines. I have a > very tough time with his pediatrician, who does not believe vaccinations > had anything to do with my 4 year old's problems, and pretty much told > me that if I dont' want to vaccinate my baby, I better find another > doctor, because his office is so strong believer of vaccinations. > > So far I am very stong, but I need all the information I can get on > supporting my decision not just for the doctors, but for myself, so I > can feel good about it. > > I look forward hearing from other parents who have decided not to > vaccinate, I am excited about joining this list. > > Kriszta > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Hi Sue, Thanks very much. We live in Gauteng, about a 14 hour drive from Cape Town. I could always contact her and see if she knows of anyone closer to us. Thanks again Joyce Gauteng, South Africa Re: New member introduction Hi, Joyce. I use hydrogen peroxide for wound cleaning. It gets right in there and cleans everything out. My kids usually screech so I assume that means it's working. I don't really know much about homeopathic vaccines but homeopathy is used based on conditions at the time, not future ones. At least that's how I view it. I'm not sure how to find a homeopath in Africa but surely someone here knows. As for the OT, my son benefited from it in the language area, once for speaking and again for reading. The speech therapist didn't do much for him, either. Your son may very well show different SI characteristics as he matures, but try to remember not all of them are a sign of dysfunction and need therapy. If he's learning, socially adjusted and can read/write, that's pretty good. Winnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 You were right about homeopathy being used for the symptoms at the time, that is the main thrust of treatment. But there are also well- known, effective protocols of homeopathic immunizations (prophylactic). I have not personally given those protocols but studied and know them. Sheri, how do you fell about that? Be well, Liz > > I just pour it on straight from the bottle. It's already only 3% hydrogen peroxide. Maybe you had a stronger solution? > > Re: New member introduction > > Vaccinations > > > > > Hi Winnie,via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | > > Switch format to Traditional > > Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > > Recent Activity > > a.. 16New Members > > b.. 2New Photos > > Visit Your Group > > Meditation and > > Lovingkindness > > > > A Group > > > > to share and learn. > > > > Health > > Heartburn or Worse > > > > What symptoms > > > > are most serious? > > > > Food Lovers > > Real Food Group > > > > on > > > > find out more. > > . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 My daughter's naturopath said there is no proof that those homeo immunizations work. I asked him if there was an outbreak of a certain disease what would he do? He said he would use them. I am confused, do they work? correy On Sep 17, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Brandegee wrote: > You were right about homeopathy being used for the symptoms at the > time, that is the main thrust of treatment. But there are also well- > known, effective protocols of homeopathic immunizations > (prophylactic). I have not personally given those protocols but > studied and know them. Sheri, how do you fell about that? > Be well, > Liz > > > > > > I just pour it on straight from the bottle. It's already only 3% > hydrogen peroxide. Maybe you had a stronger solution? > > > > Re: New member introduction > > > Vaccinations > > > > > > > Hi Winnie,via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | > > > Switch format to Traditional > > > Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > > > Recent Activity > > > a.. 16New Members > > > b.. 2New Photos > > > Visit Your Group > > > Meditation and > > > Lovingkindness > > > > > > A Group > > > > > > to share and learn. > > > > > > Health > > > Heartburn or Worse > > > > > > What symptoms > > > > > > are most serious? > > > > > > Food Lovers > > > Real Food Group > > > > > > on > > > > > > find out more. > > > . > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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