RE affording all the therapy

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My husband took the level 1 upledger cranial sacral class. Perhaps taking the class would allow you to cut back on those visits?If you have a good relationship with an OT or PT etc....what about asking them to take the MNRI classes or other certifications if your insurance will cover that type of professional then you would have that covered. All of them need CEUs so they may be willing to do it.I am sorry for your daily struggles....if you were near me I'd get together with you and give you a Tactile Massage.....take care of yourself...some of the tactile you can do on yourself. Can others chime in? Is it better to have such a varied program or would it be better to focus on just a couple methods. I don't suppose there are any studies on this but maybe others have had personal experiences. What is the most foundational and perhaps focus on that. You don't want to cause more stress by trying to do to much at once....stress on you and your child.I don't know much about the other methods. MNRI seems very foundational and I believe very strongly in it. My child does not have near the struggles you are dealing with.Have you been to a MNRI camp? I understand the results are just amazing. I understand you feel you are in a race and severely behind.As some of you may know, my daughter, who is 11, has severe challenges. Shehas the needs of an infant and then some. Currently, she is completelyimmobile, doesn't chew or talk and can't sit up or reach for things. I feellike we have to do several therapies at once to get her going, somehow. Wedo MNRI, ABR and now, ILS and IM as well as frequent visits to a cranialsacral doc and a chiropractor. All of which are considered alternativetherapies and not covered by our state funded insurance.

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I was going to make a similar suggestion. You might want to check and see if there is an OT, PT or SLP in your area who has training in MNRI. The modalities you listed can all be considered therapeutic activities, so should be covered by many insurance policies.

What I have found in my practice is that the MNRI work is so foundational, that that is where I start. Once the nervous system becomes more integrated and organized, I start adding the other modalities. I have heard Dr. Masgutova discuss this regarding listening therapy programs, and the importance of developing that strong foundation before adding the listening piece. She mentioned the possibility of increasing hyperactivity of the fear paralysis reflex if the listening therapy is started before the child is ready for it. I actually experienced that with one of my clients, before I heard her speak on this. He was making such nice progress in calming his FPR, when it started to become stronger again. Sure enough - he had been doing The Listening Program! As for the Interactive Metronome, I often use that as the "finishing touch" for the kids with milder challenges. Though I could see the value in using the IM simultaneously with the MNRI. I would be interested in hearing what other MNRI and IM practitioners think about this.

Hope this helps.

Jo Anne Tierney, OTR/L

From: "Kayte" <k_sisler@...> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 11:06:02 AMSubject: RE affording all the therapy

My husband took the level 1 upledger cranial sacral class. Perhaps taking the class would allow you to cut back on those visits?

If you have a good relationship with an OT or PT etc....what about asking them to take the MNRI classes or other certifications if your insurance will cover that type of professional then you would have that covered. All of them need CEUs so they may be willing to do it.

I am sorry for your daily struggles....if you were near me I'd get together with you and give you a Tactile Massage.....take care of yourself...some of the tactile you can do on yourself.

Can others chime in? Is it better to have such a varied program or would it be better to focus on just a couple methods. I don't suppose there are any studies on this but maybe others have had personal experiences. What is the most foundational and perhaps focus on that. You don't want to cause more stress by trying to do to much at once....stress on you and your child.

I don't know much about the other methods. MNRI seems very foundational and I believe very strongly in it. My child does not have near the struggles you are dealing with.

Have you been to a MNRI camp? I understand the results are just amazing.

I understand you feel you are in a race and severely behind.

As some of you may know, my daughter, who is 11, has severe challenges. Shehas the needs of an infant and then some. Currently, she is completelyimmobile, doesn't chew or talk and can't sit up or reach for things. I feellike we have to do several therapies at once to get her going, somehow. Wedo MNRI, ABR and now, ILS and IM as well as frequent visits to a cranialsacral doc and a chiropractor. All of which are considered alternativetherapies and not covered by our state funded insurance.

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Hi

I have been thinking about this also and remembering what Svetlana said about

the need to build the foundation 1st. Neurologically, my understanding is, our

motor neurons build 1st and then our sensory ones. So we need the MNRI in order

to make sense of the sound. In the beginning it can be another sensory stimuli

and may overload a system. Each person and each day may be different.

In saying that Svetlana sings and tells stories (usually in Russian)and all the

kids love it. These are human sounds not recorded or mechanicallized and they

are free. They come from the heart.

Certain basic vowel sounds are universal like ah, ee, oh, ooo, ii and do not

involve the tongue they only involve the mouth so can be used for beginning

speech. They also resonate in different parts of the body. Sometimes I get the

person to make these sounds and it can actually make grasp easier (eeee) and

babkin (OH) (The goal would be to be able to grasp with a round mouth)

I often have people making all the vowel sounds while doing hands support

against the wall, the sound of their own voice reverberates from the wall as

they push back.

Play around and as I said..it is free.

Be well

JOY

Daphne

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> I was going to make a similar suggestion.   You might want to check and see

if there is an OT, PT or SLP in your area who has training in MNRI.  The

modalities you listed can all be considered therapeutic activities, so should be

covered by many insurance policies.  

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> What I have found in my practice is that the MNRI work is so foundational,

that that is where I start.  Once the nervous system becomes more integrated

and organized, I start adding the other modalities.  I have heard Dr. Masgutova

 discuss this regarding listening therapy programs, and the importance of

developing that strong foundation before adding the listening piece.  She

mentioned the possibility of increasing hyperactivity of the fear paralysis

reflex if the listening therapy is started before the child is ready for it.  I

actually experienced that with one of my clients, before I heard her speak on

this.  He was making such nice progress in calming his FPR, when it started

to become stronger again.  Sure enough - he had been doing The Listening

Program!  As for the Interactive Metronome, I often use that as the

" finishing touch "  for the kids with milder challenges.  Though I could see

the value in using the IM simultaneously with the MNRI.  I would be interested

in hearing what other MNRI and IM practitioners think about this.

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> Hope this helps .

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> My husband took the level 1 upledger cranial sacral class.  Perhaps taking

the class would allow you to cut back on those visits?

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> If you have a good relationship with an OT or PT etc....what about asking them

to take the MNRI classes or other certifications if your insurance will cover

that type of professional then you would have that covered.  All of them need

CEUs so they may be willing to do it.

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> I am sorry for your daily struggles....if you were near me I'd get together

with you and give you a Tactile Massage.....take care of yourself...some of the

tactile you can do on yourself.  

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> Can others chime in?  Is it better to have such a varied program or would it

be better to focus on just a couple methods.  I don't suppose there are any

studies on this but maybe others have had personal experiences.  What is the

most foundational and perhaps focus on that.  You don't want to cause more

stress by trying to do to much at once....stress on you and your child.

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> I don't know much about the other methods.  MNRI seems very foundational and

I believe very strongly in it.  My child does not have near the struggles you

are dealing with.

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> Have you been to a MNRI camp? I understand the results are just amazing.  

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>  I understand you feel you are in a race and severely behind.

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> As some of you may know, my daughter, who is 11, has severe challenges. She

> has the needs of an infant and then some. Currently, she is completely

> immobile, doesn't chew or talk and can't sit up or reach for things. I feel

> like we have to do several therapies at once to get her going, somehow.  We

> do MNRI, ABR and now, ILS and IM as well as frequent visits to a cranial

> sacral doc and a chiropractor. All of which are considered alternative

> therapies and not covered by our state funded insurance.

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