Re: Digest Number 9

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the nice words, and I will try to help anyone, and everyone I

can to beat the " Dragon " . If we do not do it, noone will. Marty

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the nice words, and I will try to help anyone, and everyone I

can to beat the " Dragon " . If we do not do it, noone will. Marty

[Guest guest]

Okay, guys........COUNT ME IN for the cyber cowboy kool aid party....or

whatever the hell you call it.......I've been sleep deprived and didn't

really catch on to all the different posts about it until LEAH said I hadn't

responded.

Well, a good night's rest and a few naps in between and I'm ready to take the

PLUNGE (pun intended!!).

Thanks for not forgetting about me, LEAH, and thanks for the shoulder~~I

ain't heavy...I'm your SISTER........

[Guest guest]

laura, and all those who read..........my shoulder is here for anyone anytime

if they care to venture to my crazy shoulder............get some

sleep......youll need your energy to drink..............i am gonna hog it

all..........i need it severley today............................. going nuts

snowed in va, leah

[Guest guest]

Hi, Everyone........I don't know if anyone else is registered at

Medscape.com(it's free), but they send weekly mail on current articles. Most

of it is nothing I am interested in, but this week there is an article on

pediatric psychopharmacology. It's a long web sight address:

www.medscape.com/medscape/CNO/1999?APA/Stc Basically, it gives an

update on mind drugs and kids. Margaret

[Guest guest]

Hi , This is in response to Terry's' post of her Rituxin treatment.

I am on the same trial as Terry. I do not consider a monoclonal an obstacle to

future treatment. Nor does Dr. Keating. I have discovered some list members

are very fragile in what is written, so be careful what you say after a

treatment has been given.

You surly must know about Rituxin. I know you are busy but do you read some of

the stuff you put on the web? That sounds like a smart remark and of course

you can not read all of it but do not respond too quickly, to some of these

folks.

We were treated because of extreme fatigue. I now feel wonderful and can put in

a days work.

This is an apparently a problem with a number of us, enough so that a study was

developed. I can give you the qualifications for the study if you are

interested.

The " drug " Terry spoke of was, I think, Dr. Kipps vaccine. I am not really sure

of. that. Sometimes we do not process all the info because of anxiety. Dr.

Keating is a real believer in the positive approach to illness and his

patients.. I just received my BMB results he called " a excellent partial

remission " I'm not sure what that means.!

Love your web site, keep it coming. {couldn't find your personal address or I

would have sent this to you only}

wrote:

>

> Let's keep the list UNCLUTTERED!!!

>

> To do ANY HOUSEKEEPING business such as changing the way you get mail, please

go to mygoups or mail me at

> scott_fs@....

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--- Versteeg <mversteeg@...> wrote:

> Hi , This is in response to Terry's' post of

> her Rituxin treatment.

>

> I am on the same trial as Terry. I do not consider a

> monoclonal an obstacle to future treatment. Nor

> does Dr. Keating. I have discovered some list

> members

> are very fragile in what is written, so be careful

> what you say after a treatment has been given.

>

> You surly must know about Rituxin. I know you are

> busy but do you read some of the stuff you put on

> the web? That sounds like a smart remark and of

> course

> you can not read all of it but do not respond too

> quickly, to some of these folks.

>

> We were treated because of extreme fatigue. I now

> feel wonderful and can put in a days work.

> This is an apparently a problem with a number of

> us, enough so that a study was developed. I can give

> you the qualifications for the study if you are

> interested.

>

> The " drug " Terry spoke of was, I think, Dr. Kipps

> vaccine. I am not really sure of. that. Sometimes

> we do not process all the info because of anxiety.

> Dr.

> Keating is a real believer in the positive approach

> to illness and his patients.. I just received my BMB

> results he called " a excellent partial

> remission " I'm not sure what that means.!

>

> Love your web site, keep it coming. {couldn't find

> your personal address or I would have sent this to

> you only}

>

>

>

> wrote:

>

> >

> > Let's keep the list UNCLUTTERED!!!

> >

> > To do ANY HOUSEKEEPING business such as changing

> the way you get mail, please go to

> mygoups or mail me at

> > scott_fs@....

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/22/2002 8:34:34 AM Central Standard Time,

heretik@... writes:

> (Snipped) One of my cows had her first calf this

> am.

Really enjoyed hearing about the birth. One of my ex-clients had a small

herd and it was always exciting to look out and watch all the antics. I did

cringe a bit when it was a bull born since the son would rush out with a

large rubberband and stretchers to tie off the testicles. Ouch. They

maintained a herd with a bull and sold the calves at market.

Cruelty means something else entirely to me. Playing with your food (we're

not cats), seems a bit rough for the human race to be doing (killing for

sport), and to kill for vanity a bit much. I live in a part of the country

that really does eat what it hunts and fishes for (Cajun country, Louisiana,

USA). But that would get us off to a whole flame war, I'm sure, so I'll

leave that debate alone on this forum, or up to the experts on perfumery.

I'm a dabbling bystander. Or is that babbling.

And by the way, Heretik, how come we end up on all the same lists? We'll

have to meet one of these days.

Henrietta (Traiteusse)

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I am glad to hear of your positive experience which you describe

extrememyl well (wish I was there to experience this first hand- or 'first

'sniff' '. The fact is that these do work incredibly well and that is why

they were so valued.

Ranged against that is the incontrovertible charge of cruelty (except

where if you've just gathered up stray whale vomit from the beach, I say

that's not cruelty but rather civic minded of you..wouldn't want little

kiddies slipping in it now..)

So one who wants to practice ethically must either find a 'different' way

to obtain the same material, use the substitutes which are being discussed

in the newsgroup today..or possibly, resort to synthetic versions of the

natural material- which of course is antithetical to the goal of this group.

A GC/MS of civet, for example, would surely show a LOT more than only

civetone. But I am pretty sure that civetone at least is available as made

in the laboratory. No civet cats harmed- only the environment. And honestly,

in my present attempts to make my first absolute, I'm not painting myself

that rosy a picture of production of an absolute as a 'natural' process

either. Did I already post about the thought of the relative 'cruelty' to

flowers of being a) solvent extracted or boiled or c) steamed? It's kind

of like debating how to cook a lobster.

(so now she wanders further off topic, picking roses as she goes..)

We can't LIVE without perturbing the environment to some extent. I think

we need to come to terms with that. People who rate the sanctity of the

environment as very high seem sometimes to prefer to leave the human out of

the landscape entirely. I'm, uh, kind of biased in that I AM human, I DO

burn firewood, have a woodlot, raise and eat meat, etc. I am a participating

part of my environment. We (humans) are predators, toolmakers, and engineers

(as well as a lot of other things). That helped us survive and we have not

left it behind. As we develop ethics and the resources to apply the

principle of live and let live', we enlarge our family to include the other

living things.

(and now getting deep into left field..)

And honestly, that is delightful. One of my cows had her first calf this

am. I heard the herd calling me- the alpha female and the bull were carrying

on, looking anxiously over to the next pasture. I went over there suspecting

what I indeed found- mom and a new calf. There ensued a mild odyssey to get

the herd reunited (we have coyotes)- and the bebe was not in agreement with

MY idea that he would ride in the wagon behind the ATV- so he ran the whole

way with mom instead. Rugged little guy less than 12 hours old! Once

everyone was together and all were in agreement that it was a blessed event,

we broke out the grain to celebrate.

Well yes, this was SUPPOSED to be about civet. But no one else is home,

and I'm glad I had a chance to share the news. Grain, anyone?

-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

refuses to stay between the lines when parking --

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> From: " spiritoils . " <spiritoils@...>

>Subject: Re: Animal Essences

>Good morning!

>I know the use of animal essences is a touchy subject! I have a friend who

>is a perfumer and she is absolutely against using the animal essences for

>the obvious reasons. Perfumery is new to me, and I have not had much

>experience with the animal essences, so am unable to make an informed

>decision regarding its use. I am basically just trying to learn all I can

>about everything.

>I received a sample of civet absolute, that I found detestable upon

>smelling. However, from reading some of the older perfume books, I wanted

to

>see for myself what all the fuss was about. Several weeks ago, I made a

>civet alcohol tincture. Last week I used a bit of the pre-fixed alcohol for

>a blend I have been working with. Yesterday I took a whiff and I must tell

you the addition of the civet tincture has done something magical to my

>blend!! In addition, it really gave my blend incredible staying power; I

>mean it lasted for hours! Now I as stated, I am just in the learning

>process and have not made a decision one way or the other regarding its

use.

>Can anyone give me some suggestions as to what other non animal essences I

>might use to fix a perfume like civet does?

>Take care, Sheryon

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[Guest guest]

Hey Barb & Group:

Have added Tommy to my 'special' prayer list', and Group. . . you are all on my

list. Some individually by name and others as a group. . . but in my heart and

prayers constantly. Honey and my daughter talk to me sometime and get frustrated

with me because I don't answer. It is only because I am in my 'prayer mode'.

I met a lady and her daughter at the hospital the other day, her son has brain

cancer and we comforted one another. She had no idea about support groups, now

her daughter is going to do some research.

We finally got a blood support group in my area, everyone has lymphoma, and at

the annual dinner; the speaker had 2 sentences on our bug, related to our gold.

I was the only survivor there, hence my 'giddiness' at finding you guys.

Take care, you are in my prayers.

" K "

" I AIN'T FINISHED YET " !!!

[Guest guest]

Val, I haven't read the new book by Sally Goddard, Thanks for the heads up.

As to the thread re: autism: I've worked closely now for a while with a girl who has been diagnosed with landau klefner a truly rare disorder where children are developming normally and then regress. EEG generally shows spikes (bursts of electrical activity) in the brain usually in the temporal area. It is considered part of the autistic spectrum. I have suggested that the mother of this child join this group.

Since working with her she has--confimed by testing--gained 20 IQ points (considered impossible, I'm told). She has improved reading, writing, math and social skills, as well as some coordination improvement. She used to drool quite a bit, but work with rooting and sucking took care of that. I balanced her for riding a bike, with some little bits of success, but immediately after Svetlana worked with her, she started riding a bicycle in earnest. Svetlana uses techniques that we do not learn in Level 1 and 2 courses. I got to observe her closely; and she does a lot of work with children who can't cooperate while they are asleep. She does not like to work with a child who is resisting because of its effect on the child. I ordinarily would not speak for Svetlana, but in this case, I don't think she would mind.

Sharon

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