introduction...

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At 12:30 AM 07/04/2000 -0000, you wrote:

>So glad I found this group...such great info. My name is Jill. I

>have a 2 1/2 year old son Sierra who was severely brain damaged from

>the shots. (I never try to guess which one was the culprit. I know

>they all can be damaging.) It was the first time he was vaccinated,

>he was 5 months old. I felt uncomfortable with vaccination

>eventhough

>I truely didn't even know the possible detrimental effects they can

>have. I guess it was just a feeling. At 5 months I finally said ok

>to them. The next day he was a different child. His current

>diagnosis is cerebral palsy with an uncontrollable seizure disorder.

>Surprisingly, his neuro and ped. are both testifiying on Sierras

>behalf. This all has led me on a mission for information for the

>past

>2 years. Thanks to all of you out there getting great info and

>providing support. Jill

>

Welcome Jill and SOO sorry about your son. It makes us all sick! That is

why we are all working so hard at this. Glad you are with us.

Sheri

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In a message dated 7/3/00 8:30:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jbonovich@... writes:

<< The next day he was a different child. His current

diagnosis is cerebral palsy with an uncontrollable seizure disorder.

Surprisingly, his neuro and ped. are both testifiying on Sierras

behalf. This all has led me on a mission for information for the

past >>

Gosh, you hear so much of this! " The next day they were a different' child "

statements. I have a friend who's boss's twins were progressing normally till

a shot. The next day they woke up looking different and not doing any of the

things they were doing the day before. Everyone gives you such heck out

vaccinating but to me these things are much scarier than most of the diseases

we are vaccinating against. And, maybe if the knew the things even worked

well, it would be more worth the risk.

The other thing is, with all of the things scientists can do, you'd think

they could find a safe method of vaccination.

Actually, I'm sure they do know of ways, but it would extremely cut down on

the profit margin.

www.diapers.bizland.com

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 7/3/00 8:30:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> jbonovich@y... writes:

>

I should probably clarify though. He didn't just wake up the next

day a diferent child, he suffered a status seizure, shock, collapse

and ended up in the NICU for a few weeks. But he was my healthy,

" normal " boy one day and the next day he had severe brain damage.

Today is actually the day it all happened, July 4th but 2 years ago.

This days significance for us is the opposite of freedom. It was the

day my son lost his freedom and I realized we as parents truely

didn't have any either. Kind of a sad day for us. Jill

> <<

> Gosh, you hear so much of this! " The next day they were a

different' child "

> statements. I have a friend who's boss's twins were progressing

normally till

> a shot. The next day they woke up looking different and not doing

any of the

> things they were doing the day before.

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 03:50 PM 07/04/2000 -0000, you wrote:

>

>> In a message dated 7/3/00 8:30:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>> jbonovich@y... writes:

>>

>I should probably clarify though. He didn't just wake up the next

>day a diferent child, he suffered a status seizure, shock, collapse

>and ended up in the NICU for a few weeks. But he was my healthy,

> " normal " boy one day and the next day he had severe brain damage.

>Today is actually the day it all happened, July 4th but 2 years ago.

>This days significance for us is the opposite of freedom. It was the

>day my son lost his freedom and I realized we as parents truely

>didn't have any either. Kind of a sad day for us. Jill

>> <<

Oh Jill, my heart goes out to you and your family on this tragic day of

memory.

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

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ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO

VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

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Education, Homeopathic Education

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[Guest guest]

You've got to wonder how many drug company execs actually vaccinate

their kids.

Peggy

teresav26@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 7/3/00 8:30:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> jbonovich@... writes:

>

> << The next day he was a different child. His current

> diagnosis is cerebral palsy with an uncontrollable seizure disorder.

> Surprisingly, his neuro and ped. are both testifiying on Sierras

> behalf. This all has led me on a mission for information for the

> past >>

> Gosh, you hear so much of this! " The next day they were a different'

> child "

> statements. I have a friend who's boss's twins were progressing

> normally till

> a shot. The next day they woke up looking different and not doing any

> of the

> things they were doing the day before. Everyone gives you such heck

> out

> vaccinating but to me these things are much scarier than most of the

> diseases

> we are vaccinating against. And, maybe if the knew the things even

> worked

> well, it would be more worth the risk.

> The other thing is, with all of the things scientists can do, you'd

> think

> they could find a safe method of vaccination.

> Actually, I'm sure they do know of ways, but it would extremely cut

> down on

> the profit margin.

>

>

>

> www.diapers.bizland.com

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>

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[Guest guest]

Yes, but I'm sure the CDC and AAP would just say that that was the

normal age for that kind of thing to happen and therefore it was just a

coincidence.

Hope your son gets better and better.

peggy

Jill Coulter wrote:

>

>

> > In a message dated 7/3/00 8:30:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> > jbonovich@y... writes:

> >

> I should probably clarify though. He didn't just wake up the next

> day a diferent child, he suffered a status seizure, shock, collapse

> and ended up in the NICU for a few weeks. But he was my healthy,

> " normal " boy one day and the next day he had severe brain damage.

> Today is actually the day it all happened, July 4th but 2 years ago.

> This days significance for us is the opposite of freedom. It was the

> day my son lost his freedom and I realized we as parents truely

> didn't have any either. Kind of a sad day for us. Jill

> > <<

> > Gosh, you hear so much of this! " The next day they were a

> different' child "

> > statements. I have a friend who's boss's twins were progressing

> normally till

> > a shot. The next day they woke up looking different and not doing

> any of the

> > things they were doing the day before.

> >

> >

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11-Sep-00 03:32:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

rootsandwings@... writes:

<< and it loses some of its' simplicity as I begin

to wonder if I should be trying THIS or THAT...SIGH! >>

You are correct in your feelings about wanting to keep it simple. A lot of

people find it hard to accept that something so simple can be so effective in

not just getting good results, but creating a total transformation of body

and life, and creating MIRACLES...I for one prefer to coach BFL in it's

simplicity...after you've done it for a few rounds of 12 weeks....then maybe

we'll talk about tweaking if you're interested. But I love how easy it makes

my life.

-

[Guest guest]

,

Does your doctor know you are doing the BFL program? If you are nursing

your 4 month old baby, keep in mind that you are supporting the baby's

nutritional needs too. The good thing is that the baby gets her nutritional

needs satisfied first and you get what's left. Usually you are told to

consume extra calories while lactating to support the additional demand on

your body's nutrition. That is why you take your prenatal vitamins

throughout the time you are lactating. I'm not saying you should give up

doing BFL, just discuss it with your doctor to make sure you both are getting

the proper amount of nutrition and calories.

~Laury (and mother of 7)

[Guest guest]

Hi ! Welcome! I'm glad you joined the list.

Kendra

> Hi, my name is . I am newly joined to this group. We have an

> 18 month old (partially vaccinated) and an almost 3 year old (fully

> vaccinated). I became interested in this issue over time due to my

> older son's brush with some signs of autistic behavior, but I am

> unable to prove any connection outside of an inner feeling that his

> withdrawal from us began around 15 months, the time of his last

> vaccine shots. Between 2 and 2.5, my son's behavior reached a point

> friends, stangers and family were telling us they were concerned.

>

> We placed him back in our bed, removed cow's milk from his diet, and

> started hugging him ALL the time. His language improved and he is

> currently identifying emotions on people's faces, which he was

unable

> to do a few months ago. He is also talking to strangers and giving

> hugs to people.

>

> For my second son, even a month ago I was still considering the

> Pertussis and Tetnus part of DTaP and the Measles part of the MMR,

> but due to some recent reading we have decided to postpone this

> decision to a point where we are able to resolve in our head what

the

> research is saying.

>

> My DH had a reaction to his tetnus booster in Feb (he is still

> suffering side effects in April) and came on board with me on the

> vaccine issue. Our family is lagging slightly behind, but they all

> support our right to decide for our kids.

>

> Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/18/01 3:08:12 AM GTB Daylight Time, usmcwife@...

writes:

<<

Hugs,

Stacey

Mom to Keegan - the cutest, sweetest, happiest little boy on the

planet -- and wife to Mike >>

Welcome Stacey!

How did Mike fare with the battery of vaccines usually given to military

personnel?

Sara in Ohio

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/18/01 3:31:19 AM GTB Daylight Time, usmcwife@...

writes:

<< and luckily

he's not - so since he retires in two years, from this duty station,

it looks like he will have escaped them all!

Stacey >>

They don't do mandatory flu shots or tetanus every so often?

Sara

[Guest guest]

Wow girl - that was some introduction! It's good to have ya here.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the welcome!! Mike was at a duty station for the last 4

years that didn't do the Anthrax vaccines and now they've stopped

them for those who aren't scheduled for overseas duty - and luckily

he's not - so since he retires in two years, from this duty station,

it looks like he will have escaped them all!

Stacey

<< Welcome Stacey! How did Mike fare with the battery of vaccines

usually given to military personnel?

Sara in Ohio>>

[Guest guest]

Hi Stacey,

thanks for sharing your story. I always find it uplifting to see likeminded

people. I am going to have my first child (boy) in August at a birth center, he

will certainly not be circumcised or vaccinated and I am also going to

breastfeed and have him sleep with us. We won't get a stroller either.

The first and only ultrasound they talked me into, but I am certainly not going

to have any more. I had many dreams about this child being a boy, so I knew

already.

Welcome to this wonderful board, it has already helped me a lot.

Mara

Vaccinations wrote:

>

> Hi, my name is Stacey (33yo).  Wife to Mike (37yo) - Mom to son,

> Keegan (our one and only) who is soon to be ONE (5/5/00)!!  We live

> in ville, NC - due to the fact that my husband is a Marine and

> we'll be here for another couple years and then it's off to the next

> adventure - when my husband retires from the military and we can get

> on with the next 20 years of life as a civilian family.

>

> We are breaking all those unwritten but understood rules (in our

> families and group of friends anyway) - First - we chose NOT to go to

> a hospital when he was born and we decided that I would not have any

> drugs during labor - So, our son was born in a drug-free water birth

> at a birth center (in Tacoma WA).

>

> Next, we chose to Breastfeed... then we chose NOT to CIRC our son.  

> Wooooo... those we told thought we were nuts...  

>

> Then, we chose NOT to put our son in a crib or bassinett.... he

> sleeps with us... " oh my... you are going to be sorry "

>

> Then, we chose to take our son with us everywhere, hold him, love

> him, and pick him up when he cried (aka attachment parenting) - " you

> are going to spoil him " -- funny, people tell us all the time " is he

> always that happy?? " ummmm... yes, he knows he's loved... what a good

> reason to be happy!!!

>

> And then - to really break all the rules, we chose not to vaccinate -

> well now we've really thrown people for a loop - and for the most

> part I just don't tell anyone unless the topic comes up - because it

> seems to scare the living daylights out of everyone!!

>

> Except for a handful of folks I've met through our Bradley Method of

> Natural Childbirth classes... and a couple of folks at LLL - well, no

> one seems to understand that Vaccinations are a choice, not a

> requirement - and that they are something that should be something

> you decide to do (or not to do) after great research -

>

> I find it interesting that most people spend more time trying to

> decide what car to buy --- doing the research and all --- than they

> do thinking about the things they inject into their childrens' bodies.

> Well... I'm preaching to the choir here I know...

> I'm looking forward to being surrounded by others who feel the same

> way, and can help keep me on the path of good decisions based on

> strong research rather than falling to the depths of peer pressure...

>

> I look forward to hearing your stories and thoughts...

>

> Hugs,

> Stacey

> Mom to Keegan - the cutest, sweetest, happiest little boy on the

> planet  -- and wife to Mike -- my soulmate and best friend, who just

> happens to be a United States Marine!!

>

>

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[Guest guest]

i'm new & will introduce myself one day, but i have a question for maureen. i'm

still learning. so, you were exposed to polio, but never got it? i know very

little, but i was wondering if you ever feared as a child of getting polio.

introduction...

Hello, I am new here.

I am 53 years old.

My Father was a Chiropractor. His oldest sister had a

reaction (anaphylatic shock) to a vaccination in the

1920s as an adolescent. This made his family

reconsider allopathic treatments as a whole.

I am the oldest of nine children.

I was never vaccinated.

Nor were my siblings.

Nor are my children.

I am old enough to have had classmates with braces on

their legs from attacks with polio.

I have had pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella,

roseola, chicken pox, meningitis, and I have survived

them all.

My children have been exposed to many diseases, and

have been quite healthy, without childhood allergies

or other problems as autism, ADHD or SIDS.

I was happy to see this subject come to light in my

last year of college when Dr. Mendelsohn became the

first pediatrician to speak out against vaccinations

in general through his syndicated column when he said

that the swine flu vaccine was neurotoxic; he

continued to champion this subject as a national

debate until he died in 1988.

I am happy to see this subject discussed everywhere.

Thank you.

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

[Guest guest]

No. I never had polio. I had classmates who wore leg

braces from their polio illnesses. I do not know if I

was exposed to polio, but I grew up in that era; I

believe a titre count could reveal that. I never

feared getting polio. I have had vaccine preventable

illnesses however, and I am here to say that I

survived them...I remember county health cars driving

up and down the street with public address systems to

remind people to vaccinate their children. I remember

health reports urging people to get vaccinated so that

all children's diseases could be wiped out in one

generation.

Maybe we have traded childhood illnesses for chronic

diseases as asthma, MS, MD, autism, ADHD, cancer, and

others.

--- Janet Trevino-Elizarraraz

<janetelizarraraz@...> wrote:

> i'm new & will introduce myself one day, but i have

> a question for maureen. i'm still learning. so,

> you were exposed to polio, but never got it? i know

> very little, but i was wondering if you ever feared

> as a child of getting polio.

>

> introduction...

>

> Hello, I am new here.

>

> I am 53 years old.

>

> My Father was a Chiropractor. His oldest sister

> had a

> reaction (anaphylatic shock) to a vaccination in

> the

> 1920s as an adolescent. This made his family

> reconsider allopathic treatments as a whole.

>

> I am the oldest of nine children.

>

> I was never vaccinated.

>

> Nor were my siblings.

>

> Nor are my children.

>

> I am old enough to have had classmates with braces

> on

> their legs from attacks with polio.

>

> I have had pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella,

> roseola, chicken pox, meningitis, and I have

> survived

> them all.

>

> My children have been exposed to many diseases, and

> have been quite healthy, without childhood

> allergies

> or other problems as autism, ADHD or SIDS.

>

> I was happy to see this subject come to light in my

> last year of college when Dr. Mendelsohn became the

> first pediatrician to speak out against

> vaccinations

> in general through his syndicated column when he

> said

> that the swine flu vaccine was neurotoxic; he

> continued to champion this subject as a national

> debate until he died in 1988.

>

> I am happy to see this subject discussed

> everywhere.

>

> Thank you.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ _________

> _________ __

>

[Guest guest]

Maureen said:

>

> Maybe we have traded childhood illnesses for chronic

> diseases as asthma, MS, MD, autism, ADHD, cancer, and

> others.

Undoubtedly. I know which I would rather deal with - any day! I guess

these are the *chronics* of the childhood *acutes*.

Sue

[Guest guest]

Most of these are associated with aluminum poisoning. Aluminum is in many of

the childhood vaccines as well as added to our drinking water and all artificial

food dyes and aluminum-based baking powder. It is OSHA regulated as a

neurotoxin, and the AAP recommended minimizing infant exposure to this a few

years ago...guess the amount they inject into our kids doesn't count. I gave my

son autism overnight by giving him vaccines which contained aluminum. His blood

tested high for it. I cured my son of autism by reducing aluminum in his diet

and giving him zinc, which eliminates aluminum from the body safely. He is

still quiet and has low muscle tone, but he is normal again...plays, talks and

laughs! Aluminum causes asthma, seizures and tics, developmental delays, low

muscle tone, eczema and other allergies, brittle bones, memory and balance

problems, associated with Gulf War syndrome and Alzheimer's. All of these have

exploded as aluminum exposure has gone up,

especially in vaccines. Anyone whose child has these problems should get their

kid (especially babies and toddlers) for aluminum...blood and hair tests

recommended.

mum2mishka <mum2mishka@...> wrote: Maureen said:

>

> Maybe we have traded childhood illnesses for chronic

> diseases as asthma, MS, MD, autism, ADHD, cancer, and

> others.

Undoubtedly. I know which I would rather deal with - any day! I guess

these are the *chronics* of the childhood *acutes*.

Sue

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

VAccine preventable disease is a disease that in

theory can be prevented by getting the vaccine against

the disease. If you get the polio vaccine, for

example, you should not develop polio.

Tell that to Anne Gottsdanker.

--- Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

> I must have gone to bed by the time your post came

> through; it was quite late.

>

> Anita

>

> mum2mishka <mum2mishka@...> wrote:

> What time is it where you are, Anita? I'm trying

> to work out whether you

> are up very late or very early.... I'm nearly 1:15

> p.m. on Monday...

>

> Sue

>

> > Re: introduction...

> >

> >

> > Hi Janet,

> >

> > May I ask what a vaccine preventable disease is?

> I'm not being

> > sarcastic, only trying to figure out what diseases

> have actually

> > been prevented by vaccines. The very charts put

> out by the CDC

> > contradict this theory showing that almost every

> decline in

> > disease was already happening before the

> vaccination campaigns began.

> >

> > I couldn't agree more with your last statement

> about trading

> > childhood diseases for chronic conditions by

> forcing vaccinations

> > that have nothing to do with promoting good

> health.

> >

> > Anita

> >

> > maureen gradvohl wrote:

> > No. I never had polio. I had classmates who wore

> leg

> > braces from their polio illnesses. I do not know

> if I

> > was exposed to polio, but I grew up in that era; I

> > believe a titre count could reveal that. I never

> > feared getting polio. I have had vaccine

> preventable

> > illnesses however, and I am here to say that I

> > survived them...I remember county health cars

> driving

> > up and down the street with public address systems

> to

> > remind people to vaccinate their children. I

> remember

> > health reports urging people to get vaccinated so

> that

> > all children's diseases could be wiped out in one

> > generation.

> >

> > Maybe we have traded childhood illnesses for

> chronic

> > diseases as asthma, MS, MD, autism, ADHD, cancer,

> and

> > others.

> >

> > --- Janet Trevino-Elizarraraz

> > wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Do you ?

> > Everyone is raving about the all-new

> Beta.

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, but I don't know Anne Gottsdanker. Sounds like I probably should; who

is she?

Anita

maureen gradvohl <mrsvoltaire@...> wrote:

VAccine preventable disease is a disease that in

theory can be prevented by getting the vaccine against

the disease. If you get the polio vaccine, for

example, you should not develop polio.

Tell that to Anne Gottsdanker.

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[Guest guest]

This any help, Anita?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/04/25/MNGL7CDSFG1.DTL

Sue xx

> Subject: RE: introduction...

>

>

> I'm sorry, but I don't know Anne Gottsdanker. Sounds like I

> probably should; who is she?

>

> Anita

>

> maureen gradvohl <mrsvoltaire@...> wrote:

> VAccine preventable disease is a disease that in

> theory can be prevented by getting the vaccine against

> the disease. If you get the polio vaccine, for

> example, you should not develop polio.

>

> Tell that to Anne Gottsdanker.

>

[Guest guest]

Oh my goodness! Yes. Thank you, Sue.

Anita

mum2mishka <mum2mishka@...> wrote:

This any help, Anita?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/04/25/MNGL7CDSFG1.DTL

Sue xx

> Subject: RE: introduction...

>

>

> I'm sorry, but I don't know Anne Gottsdanker. Sounds like I

> probably should; who is she?

>

> Anita

>

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[Guest guest]

How cool and how confusing is this going to get LOL!! We have TWO 's from MO!! We'll figure it out, but don't be surprised if I get confused from time-to-time!!

Congrats on the happy family AND for joining here and deciding to do something before your weight goes higher!! I just got down to 279, so am not that "far" ahead of you!! At times, I wish I had a stationary bike or treadmill, but for the time being, I will do just fine with my 2 feet/legs and Curves.

Looking forward to getting to know you from MO #2

[Guest guest]

Welcome, ,

I am on a six month diet that is required for my insurance to pay for weight loss surgery. I had lost about 10 pounds but have gained a couple back. I need to lose 5 % of my body weight to qualify. I wish you the best of luck.

Blessings,

Introduction...

Hey group! My name is . I am a stay at home mom and college student in the southwest missouri area. I joined this group because I have a LONG way to go, and could use a friend or two to encourage me as I go.I have two sons, (4 yrs) and Aidyn (11 months). After Aidyn was born, I realized that I was steadily gaining between 2 and 5 pounds every week. I tried everything from low-carb to low-fat, even not eating at all, and I couldn't lose a pound. The best results I got were the weeks I was SUPER restrictive, when I just didn't gain. That was the biggest accomplishment I could seem to make. After realizing that my insurance covers gastric bypass, I decided to go for it- except I was a little under the requirements (BMI over 40- mine was 38.6). So I intentionally gained weight and looked into it. After a month into the process (including driving halfway across the state for a seminar), the nurse practitioner at my doctor's office decides she won't sign my release letter, on account of the fact that I am, overall, very healthy. She suggests "I try dieting first." I'VE BEEN DOING THAT SINCE I WAS NINE YEARS OLD!!!!So, here I am. Only 25 years old, and weighing in at 295 pounds. There are NFL linebackers that weigh less than me... I bought a stationary bike and some Weight Control oatmeal... I'm not saying I can smile while I ride the thing, but I can honestly say that I'd rather eat lightly and ride the bike than embrace what I'm becoming and go buy size 26 jeans... Yeah, I'll take the bike... Size tens: Here I come!!! (But it might be awhile, so don't wait up...)

[Guest guest]

LOL! We'll manage, I'm sure... If it helps, most people that know me

call me Laurel.