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if you are want to work as a medic... my company is hiring, it is KBR, send me

your resume. I will forward it to my supervisor.

<adriansmith266@...> wrote: I was just wondering if anyone

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opportunities that they know of.

To all thanks for your help in advance.

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In message <26644.23944.qm@...> you wrote:

> Can anyone let me know where i can get scoby in India??

> I am living in Tamilnadu,in the city of Chennai.

>

Hello ,

Interesting: I read today that in India Kombucha is known as

'Tibetan leaf' or 'Amar Patta' (Paan).

http://www.kombu.de/suche2.htm Kombucha Exchange Worldwide

There are some addresses in India and Indonesia on that Website

offering Kombucha cultures.

Try them and see what happens.

All the best,

Margret from England (UK)

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> Can anyone let me know where i can get scoby in India??

> I am living in Tamilnadu,in the city of Chennai.

>

Hello ,

Interesting: I read today that in India Kombucha is known as

'Tibetan leaf' or 'Amar Patta' (Paan).

http://www.kombu.de/suche2.htm Kombucha Exchange Worldwide

There are some addresses in India and Indonesia on that Website

offering Kombucha cultures.

Try them and see what happens.

All the best,

Margret from England (UK)

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At:-

http://www.kombu.de/suche2.htm#india

I found:-

India

Shriniwas Dalvi

8, Satyam Shivam

Sundaram Society

Pioneer area

PANVEL 410 206

New Bombay

India

Tel. 091 022 7452574

e-mail:

shriniwasd_in@...

Kombucha babies for free if you pick it up. No Mailing.

PS: In India it is not known as Kombucha but it is popularly known as " Tibetan

leaf " or " Amar Patta (Paan) "

India

G. Pereira

Mumbai (Bombay) 400053

India

e-mail:

glenap@...

Kombucha babies for free. Gratis. Mailing: Cost of postage/courier.

India

N. Venkata Ramaiah

6-3-47, Bank Colony

Khammam - 507002

Andhra Pradesh

India

Tel. 919885567929

and 919393320214

Fax 918742231600

e-mail:

friendkmm@...

I will give the kombucha baby on free of cost. but the charges for mailing

shall be paid by the receiver.

India

K G Radhakrishnan

Rai University,

15th milestone,

Bannerghatta Road,

Gottigere

Bangalore 560083

Karnataka

India

Telefon 9242160894

e-mail:

kgradhakrishnan@...

Webpage

www.kgradhakrishnan.fr.fm

Kombucha

Babies, advice and information. I am ready to give away the kombucha

babies for free, but you have to arrange for the containers or the

courier charges. I will definately give advices and more info regarding

the kombucha. you can mail me at Radhakrishnan@... for more

updates on kombucha. Happy Brewing!

India

N. Venkata Ramaiah

6-3-91/4, Bank Colony,

Near Bye Pass Road

507001, Khammam

Andhra Pradesh

South India

Telefon 91+8742+320214

e-mail:

friendbcm@...

Kombucha Babies for free and advice. I will give away the Kombucha

babies on free of cost if any body collect personally. If anybody wants

to get by any other mode, they have to make their own arrangements.

Nn. England.

Help Needed

Hi,

Can anyone let me know where i can get scoby in India??I am living in

Tamilnadu,in the city of Chennai.

Thanks,

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At:-

http://www.kombu.de/suche2.htm#india

I found:-

India

Shriniwas Dalvi

8, Satyam Shivam

Sundaram Society

Pioneer area

PANVEL 410 206

New Bombay

India

Tel. 091 022 7452574

e-mail:

shriniwasd_in@...

Kombucha babies for free if you pick it up. No Mailing.

PS: In India it is not known as Kombucha but it is popularly known as " Tibetan

leaf " or " Amar Patta (Paan) "

India

G. Pereira

Mumbai (Bombay) 400053

India

e-mail:

glenap@...

Kombucha babies for free. Gratis. Mailing: Cost of postage/courier.

India

N. Venkata Ramaiah

6-3-47, Bank Colony

Khammam - 507002

Andhra Pradesh

India

Tel. 919885567929

and 919393320214

Fax 918742231600

e-mail:

friendkmm@...

I will give the kombucha baby on free of cost. but the charges for mailing

shall be paid by the receiver.

India

K G Radhakrishnan

Rai University,

15th milestone,

Bannerghatta Road,

Gottigere

Bangalore 560083

Karnataka

India

Telefon 9242160894

e-mail:

kgradhakrishnan@...

Webpage

www.kgradhakrishnan.fr.fm

Kombucha

Babies, advice and information. I am ready to give away the kombucha

babies for free, but you have to arrange for the containers or the

courier charges. I will definately give advices and more info regarding

the kombucha. you can mail me at Radhakrishnan@... for more

updates on kombucha. Happy Brewing!

India

N. Venkata Ramaiah

6-3-91/4, Bank Colony,

Near Bye Pass Road

507001, Khammam

Andhra Pradesh

South India

Telefon 91+8742+320214

e-mail:

friendbcm@...

Kombucha Babies for free and advice. I will give away the Kombucha

babies on free of cost if any body collect personally. If anybody wants

to get by any other mode, they have to make their own arrangements.

Nn. England.

Help Needed

Hi,

Can anyone let me know where i can get scoby in India??I am living in

Tamilnadu,in the city of Chennai.

Thanks,

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Nn. England.

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Hi,

Can anyone let me know where i can get scoby in India??I am living in

Tamilnadu,in the city of Chennai.

Thanks,

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Sorry about that it was quite a neat looking cut & paste.

Nn. England.

Help Needed

Hi,

Can anyone let me know where i can get scoby in India??I am living in

Tamilnadu,in the city of Chennai.

Thanks,

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hey thanks brian

Kane <brainnake@...> wrote: At:-

http://www.kombu.de/suche2.htm#india

I found:-

India

Shriniwas Dalvi

8, Satyam Shivam

Sundaram Society

Pioneer area

PANVEL 410 206

New Bombay

India

Tel. 091 022 7452574

e-mail:

shriniwasd_in@...

Kombucha babies for free if you pick it up. No Mailing.

PS: In India it is not known as Kombucha but it is popularly known as " Tibetan

leaf " or " Amar Patta (Paan) "

India

G. Pereira

Mumbai (Bombay) 400053

India

e-mail:

glenap@...

Kombucha babies for free. Gratis. Mailing: Cost of postage/courier.

India

N. Venkata Ramaiah

6-3-47, Bank Colony

Khammam - 507002

Andhra Pradesh

India

Tel. 919885567929

and 919393320214

Fax 918742231600

e-mail:

friendkmm@...

I will give the kombucha baby on free of cost. but the charges for mailing shall

be paid by the receiver.

India

K G Radhakrishnan

Rai University,

15th milestone,

Bannerghatta Road,

Gottigere

Bangalore 560083

Karnataka

India

Telefon 9242160894

e-mail:

kgradhakrishnan@...

Webpage

www.kgradhakrishnan.fr.fm

Kombucha

Babies, advice and information. I am ready to give away the kombucha

babies for free, but you have to arrange for the containers or the

courier charges. I will definately give advices and more info regarding

the kombucha. you can mail me at Radhakrishnan@... for more

updates on kombucha. Happy Brewing!

India

N. Venkata Ramaiah

6-3-91/4, Bank Colony,

Near Bye Pass Road

507001, Khammam

Andhra Pradesh

South India

Telefon 91+8742+320214

e-mail:

friendbcm@...

Kombucha Babies for free and advice. I will give away the Kombucha

babies on free of cost if any body collect personally. If anybody wants

to get by any other mode, they have to make their own arrangements.

Nn. England.

Help Needed

Hi,

Can anyone let me know where i can get scoby in India??I am living in

Tamilnadu,in the city of Chennai.

Thanks,

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Hey margaret thanks a lot

Margret Pegg <Minstrel@...> wrote: In message

<26644.23944.qm@...> you wrote:

> Can anyone let me know where i can get scoby in India??

> I am living in Tamilnadu,in the city of Chennai.

>

Hello ,

Interesting: I read today that in India Kombucha is known as

'Tibetan leaf' or 'Amar Patta' (Paan).

http://www.kombu.de/suche2.htm Kombucha Exchange Worldwide

There are some addresses in India and Indonesia on that Website

offering Kombucha cultures.

Try them and see what happens.

All the best,

Margret from England (UK)

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de... from another reply yesyerday...

Kombucha microflora do not particularly like the cold and it could

take a good long while for the yeasts and bacteria in the culture you

have stored to regain enough balance to brew properly.

It is always best to store a Kombucha culture in a glass container

with finished KT at room temperature and covered with an air

permeable, tightly woven cloth held on securely with something like a

rubber band.

Your options are to just let it go and see if your brew matures, or

ask for a new SCOBY.

Gayle

On Feb 7, 2009, at 9:26 AM, de wrote:

>

> I had made several bottles of Kombucha several months ago and then,

> due to

> health issues of a family member had to travel and be in/out of town

> for

> quite awhile. During the time I made it before- it always fermented

> so that

> most of the sugar was gone. I never really got the flavor to my liking

> but... I think it was at least working.

> This time- after trying to use the scoby that had sat in my fridge for

> several months it appears to be working fine... in other words it

> doesn't

> look any different. It has no odd color, etc. but... I've had it

> going for

> about 2 to 2 1/2 weeks and I'm still tasting quite a bit of sugar in

> the

> kombucha- and no real " kick " of carbonation. It doesn't taste BAD...

> just

> not the same. My question is this... can a scoby go " dead " yet still

> not

> spoil, sour or get moldy? Is there any to resurrect this scoby or

> should I

> throw it out and start over?

>

> Confused in Texas

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

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Thanks Gayle. I think I " ll give it a couple more weeks and see what

happens.

De

On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 09:31:25 -0600, Gayle Marks <gsmarks@...> wrote:

> de... from another reply yesyerday...

>

>

> Kombucha microflora do not particularly like the cold and it could

> take a good long while for the yeasts and bacteria in the culture you

> have stored to regain enough balance to brew properly.

>

> It is always best to store a Kombucha culture in a glass container

> with finished KT at room temperature and covered with an air

> permeable, tightly woven cloth held on securely with something like a

> rubber band.

>

> Your options are to just let it go and see if your brew matures, or

> ask for a new SCOBY.

>

> Gayle

>

>

>

> On Feb 7, 2009, at 9:26 AM, de wrote:

>

>>

>> I had made several bottles of Kombucha several months ago and then,

>> due to

>> health issues of a family member had to travel and be in/out of town

>> for

>> quite awhile. During the time I made it before- it always fermented

>> so that

>> most of the sugar was gone. I never really got the flavor to my liking

>> but... I think it was at least working.

>> This time- after trying to use the scoby that had sat in my fridge for

>> several months it appears to be working fine... in other words it

>> doesn't

>> look any different. It has no odd color, etc. but... I've had it

>> going for

>> about 2 to 2 1/2 weeks and I'm still tasting quite a bit of sugar in

>> the

>> kombucha- and no real " kick " of carbonation. It doesn't taste BAD...

>> just

>> not the same. My question is this... can a scoby go " dead " yet still

>> not

>> spoil, sour or get moldy? Is there any to resurrect this scoby or

>> should I

>> throw it out and start over?

>>

>> Confused in Texas

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------------

>>

>>

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Hi,

Alhough I have not tried refrigerating a scoby and then resurrecting it for

brewing, I don't see why it would be a problem. I base this on the fact that I

have used GT's Original KT for starting my KT cultures. I have taken his

refrigerated, original unflavored KT as a starter, and now have been brewing

excellent KT with beautiful, beefy scobys for several months.

I don't see why if I now refrigerated one of these scobys it wouldn't spring

back into action when asked. I'm basing this of course on the fact that I

started with refrigerated KT with just a wisp of a scoby in the first place and

had no problems.

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Pat, I think Newham and Tower Hamlets were both using CAFs for all; not sure how it worked out, but as with you, the reasoning was that such a high percentage of families would need referral at some point, they may as well start out with the multi-agency form.Good luck with your recruitment drive.kind regardsOn 11 Feb 2009, at 11:47, Loizou Pat wrote:HiTo try to cut down on repeat documentation Haringey Health Visitors are looking at if we could use the CAF forms when we do our assessment in the new birth visit. This would mean it could be photocopied it when/if needed for referral.We are in the early stages and if anyone else has tried this approach would be grateful for any information, also has anyone managed to reduce the size of the CAF form in their area.Also if any Health Visitor wants to move to London and work but does not have accommodation we have an advert in CPHVA this month. As we are now managed by Great Ormond Street hospital who  have staff accommodation, this is now available to Health Visitors working in Haringey.Best Wishes to allPatPat LoizouService Manager Early YearsGOSH in HaringeyTel 02084425767  This communication may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information within is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender, then delete and destroy any copies of it. The Health Informatics Service disclaims any liability for action taken reliant on the content of this message. This communication is from the Health Informatics Service serving Barnet Enfield & Haringey Health Communities. sarahcowley183@...http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

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Many Thanks I will contact both.

Pat

Pat Loizou

Service Manager Early Years

GOSH in Haringey

Tel 02084425767

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Pat, I

think Newham and Tower Hamlets were both using CAFs for all; not sure how it

worked out, but as with you, the reasoning was that such a high percentage of

families would need referral at some point, they may as well start out with the

multi-agency form.

Good luck with your recruitment drive.

kind regards

On 11 Feb 2009, at 11:47, Loizou Pat wrote:

Hi

To

try to cut down on repeat documentation Haringey Health Visitors are looking at

if we could use the CAF forms when we do our assessment in the new birth visit.

This would mean it could be photocopied it when/if needed for referral.

We

are in the early stages and if anyone else has tried this approach would be

grateful for any information, also has anyone managed to reduce the size of the

CAF form in their area.

Also

if any Health Visitor wants to move to London and

work but does not have accommodation we have an advert in CPHVA this month. As

we are now managed by Great Ormond Street

hospital who have staff accommodation, this is now available to Health

Visitors working in Haringey.

Best

Wishes to all

Pat

Pat

Loizou

Service

Manager Early Years

GOSH in

Haringey

Tel

02084425767

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I have previously posted my role(specialist practitioner domestic violence) and the preventative approach I wish to take re DV and sharing information between health and police. Then coordinate proactive indicated prevention. Outcome measures may be school readiness re speech and language scores/ family well being measures etc. Clearly this is open to other variables

I would like to roll out routine and selective enquiry between A & E staff and practice nurses. In brief , this would entail A & E suspecting abuse but being unable to respond or receiving a negative to enquiry (Using wales care pathway approach) A routine call for pill check, smear, or well woman, could use selective enquiry. Then refer if positive to womens aid.

I am going to request funding for a masters degree ,

plan A - If this is funded can anyone suggest a course that will support the research of this ?

Plan B If I get Knocked back , can anyone suggest a research route to apply for and how, DCSF , DH, etc,

Thanks , Sharman

Any ideas responses would be really very welcome

From: Woody.Caan@...Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:10:42 +0000Subject: RE: FW: Special Mailing National Perinatal and Infant Mental Health network

Good work, Sharman!

A little bit of Health can go a long way....

The Leeds 'signpost' team did not share their FAF with the workshop yesterday.

However, I just found a webpage http://www.renewleeds.co.uk/page.php?id=40 including a contact number and email address, if you want to follow them up.

All the best to Senators for Mother's Day,

Woody.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of sharman burchellSent: 20 March 2009 09:36 Subject: RE: FW: Special Mailing National Perinatal and Infant Mental Health network

Hi Woody , I visited our FIP leader, on wednesday and asked about joining up with health. I recently attended a FIP and ASBO information day locally . I was invited in my capacity as being seconded to a council safer community team, with the DV team. I was the only "health" worker there. They had not invited any universal services. When I asked whether they liaised with health , it was clear that this wasn't routine . So I asked to see her . All FIPS are developed differently , some based in housing , some councils etc. She told me that the national model did have health workers attached , but our local one never. When I discussed with her that the children enagaging in anti social will have a named school nurse , but also may have younger sibling who have a named HV . She aknowledged that they were having a multi -agency meeting re a child this week , and HV had not been included, I think schoolse may have . She was genuinley enthusiastic and very interested regarding neurological development and links with future anti-social behaviour and the role of universal services. We chatted further regarding 2 way referral , and she is going to see my manager. As I came away I reflected that refrrals are clearly made to "relevant" agencies and wondered why it seems so difficult to be aknowledged as KEY to these childrens lives and future. Do other areas have close links with FIPs ? This ties in well with my aim to share all dv incidents police attend with health and not wait till crisis and refer to Social services as child protection. Again the govt is banging on about joining up , sharing info , and the benefits of universal services ,etc , and yet..................... It seems that in the translation of policy to practice the relevance of universal services seems vague and to be honest peripheral. I think central govt (DH,DCSF,Home Office) have grasped it , I think locally it will take time to filter down. Have other areas got good examples of joined up working with health and police, FIP's etc. Did you get a look at the family assessment framework , Leeds were using ? Sharman

From: Woody.Caananglia (DOT) ac.ukDate: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:31:05 +0000Subject: RE: FW: Special Mailing National Perinatal and Infant Mental Health network

Dear ,

The event Statistics Are Either Dull of Wrong: Discuss began with excellent talks by Prof. Spiegelhalter and Dr. Ben Goldacre, using various health examples from the popular Press.

I have hesitated to expand on the subsequent discussions in which I took part, because the language (derived from Sun headlines etc) was far from 'PC' and I do not want to offend any Senators e.g. with my specific example from 1990s Cambridgeshire when it was on special measures, about identifying potential 'baby killers'...

the polite translation of the Professor of the Public Understanding of Risk's reply could be to contrast lay people (e.g. most parents) who do not want 'certainty' about Risk, with increasingly defensive (and blamed) professionals who want to tick enough Risk 'boxes' that they are certain that family X will kill infant Y, even if high specificity means that most infants who will die would not be detected because their families are too ordinary.

The key message was the defensive use of screening instruments by professionals to produce simple and confident (but atypical) results.

With much less discomfort, I can talk about a great roadshow with 250 participants today in Leeds for the Youth Task Force (except zero school nurses or CAMHS staff attended!). A key insight from the DCSF sponsors was there use of indicators of multiple disadvantage to 'target' families, based explicitly on Figure 4 onwards in the attached Social Exclusion document from 2004. Every speaker talked about Parenting, and Anne Weinstock the YTF director (formerly of national Connexions) emphasised that 'effective parenting' was the most important factor in preventing subsequent 'youth crime'. The 'most extreme families' or 2% of the population have 5+ Risk Factors for social exclusion: this is the essence of targeting practice e.g. for Family Intervention Projects. Regarding HV caseloads especially Family Nurse Partnerships, the NCH model of 'FIPs' adopted by the DCSF limit each keyworker to 3 - 6 'extreme' families - and keyworkers are still burning out! One DCSF civil servant replied to a query about teenage parents within these multiple risk households, that the most effective FIPs are in places where the teenage mum and dad also have a Family Nurse partnership pilot to start support antenatally!!

We must get stories of this 'effective' parenting partnership from Health Visitors and Social Workers who are now involved with the same 'socially excluded families'....

Nobody had a good word for the CAF, but the social workers in Leeds had a Family Assessment Framework that they were promoting.

School Nurses, are you involved in these developments?

Woody.

From: on behalf of CowleySent: Wed 18/03/2009 10:09 Subject: Re: FW: Special Mailing National Perinatal and Infant Mental Health network

Good luck with the conference Woody. Can you expand on your oblique reference to risks of infant mortality and different perceptions, please?

On 18 Mar 2009, at 09:36, Caan, Woody wrote:

Dear Senators and UKPHA s.i.g.,

This conference in Chelmsford may interest some of you?

I have to declare a bias, because the late Daksha Emson was my student....

at a meeting in Cambridge last night (the 'Statistics' part of Science Week) we discussed 'Risk' assessments in relation to infant mortality:

parents and professionals may have v.different perceptions of these judgements!

Woody.

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Dear SharmanYou have given this a lot of thought, and well done for wanting to take this forward.  We have several people researching DV  at King's, so most of our MSc programmes would support research in this area; the MRes is particularly for anyone who is interested in research.  You can download our prospectus from the end of the page at:  http://www.kcl.ac.uk/schools/nursing/reports/index.html Information about our DV research is mainly in the maternal health research section, on http://www.kcl.ac.uk/schools/nursing/research/aims/groups/maternal.htmlIt would be great if your organisation would fund you to complete a research masters, as getting funding for 'stand alone' research tends to be  extremely difficult.  good luck with taking this forward.kind regardsOn 28 Mar 2009, at 20:40, sharman burchell wrote:I have previously posted my role(specialist practitioner domestic violence)  and the preventative approach I wish to take re DV and sharing information between health and police. Then coordinate proactive indicated prevention. Outcome measures may be school readiness re speech and language scores/ family well being measures etc. Clearly this is open to other variables I would like to roll out routine and selective enquiry between A & E staff and practice nurses. In brief , this would entail A & E suspecting abuse but being unable to respond or receiving a negative to enquiry (Using wales care pathway approach) A routine call for pill check, smear, or well woman, could use selective enquiry. Then refer if positive to womens aid. I am going to request funding for a masters degree , plan A - If this is funded can anyone suggest a course that will support the research of this ?  Plan B If I get Knocked back , can anyone suggest a research route to apply for and how, DCSF , DH, etc, Thanks , Sharman  Any ideas responses would be really very welcome   From: Woody.Caananglia (DOT) ac.ukDate: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:10:42 +0000Subject: RE: FW: Special Mailing National Perinatal and Infant Mental Health networkGood work, Sharman!A little bit of Health can go a long way.... The Leeds 'signpost' team did not share their FAF with the workshop yesterday. However, I just found a webpage http://www.renewleeds.co.uk/page.php?id=40 including a contact number and email address, if you want to follow them up. All the best to Senators for Mother's Day,Woody.From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Ofsharman burchellSent: 20 March 2009 09:36 Subject: RE: FW: Special Mailing National Perinatal and Infant Mental Health networkHi Woody , I visited our FIP leader, on wednesday and asked about joining up with health. I recently attended a FIP and ASBO information day locally . I was invited in my capacity as being seconded to a council safer community team, with the DV team. I was the only "health" worker there. They had not invited any universal services. When I asked whether they liaised with health , it was clear  that this wasn't routine . So I asked to see her .  All FIPS are developed differently , some based in housing , some councils etc. She told me that the national model did have health workers attached , but our local one never. When I discussed with her that the children enagaging in anti social will have a named school nurse , but also may have younger sibling who have a named HV . She aknowledged that they were having a multi -agency meeting re a child this week , and HV had not been included, I think schoolse may have . She was genuinley enthusiastic and very interested regarding neurological development and links with future anti-social behaviour and the role of universal services. We chatted further regarding 2 way referral , and she is going to see my manager.  As I came away I reflected that refrrals are clearly made to "relevant" agencies and wondered why it seems so difficult to be aknowledged as KEY to these childrens lives and future. Do other areas have close links with FIPs ? This ties in well with my aim to share all dv incidents police attend with health and not wait till crisis and refer to Social services as child protection. Again the govt is banging on about joining up , sharing info , and the benefits of universal services ,etc ,  and yet..................... It seems that in the translation of policy to practice the relevance of universal services seems vague and to be honest peripheral. I think central govt (DH,DCSF,Home Office) have grasped it , I think locally it will take time to filter down. Have other areas got good examples of joined up working with health and police, FIP's etc. Did you get a look at the family assessment framework , Leeds were using ? Sharman From: Woody.Caananglia (DOT) ac.ukDate: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:31:05 +0000Subject: RE: FW: Special Mailing National Perinatal and Infant Mental Health networkDear , The event Statistics Are Either Dull of Wrong: Discuss began with excellent talks by Prof. Spiegelhalter and Dr. Ben Goldacre, using various health examples from the popular Press.I have hesitated to expand on the subsequent discussions in which I took part, because the language (derived from Sun headlines etc) was far from 'PC' and I do not want to offend any Senators e.g. with my specific example from 1990s Cambridgeshire when it was on special measures, about identifying potential 'baby killers'... the polite translation of the Professor of the Public Understanding of Risk's reply could be to contrast lay people (e.g. most parents) who do not want 'certainty' about Risk, with increasingly defensive (and blamed) professionals who want to tick enough Risk 'boxes' that they are certain that family X will kill infant Y, even if high specificity means that most infants who will die would not be detected because their families are too ordinary. The key message was the defensive use of screening instruments by professionals to produce simple and confident (but atypical) results. With much less discomfort, I can talk about a great roadshow with 250 participants today in Leeds for the Youth Task Force (except zero school nurses or CAMHS staff attended!). A key insight from the DCSF sponsors was there use of indicators of multiple disadvantage to 'target' families, based explicitly on Figure 4 onwards in the attached Social Exclusion document from 2004. Every speaker talked about Parenting, and Anne Weinstock the YTF director (formerly of national Connexions) emphasised that 'effective parenting' was the most important factor in preventing subsequent 'youth crime'. The 'most extreme families' or 2% of the population have 5+  Risk Factors for social exclusion: this is the essence of targeting practice e.g. for Family Intervention Projects.  Regarding HV caseloads especially Family Nurse Partnerships, the NCH model of 'FIPs' adopted by the DCSF limit each keyworker to 3 - 6 'extreme' families - and keyworkers are still burning out!  One DCSF civil servant replied to a query about teenage parents within these multiple risk households, that the most effective FIPs are in places where the teenage mum and dad also have a Family Nurse partnership pilot to start support antenatally!!We must get stories of this 'effective' parenting partnership from Health Visitors and Social Workers who are now involved with the same 'socially excluded families'.... Nobody had a good word for the CAF, but the social workers in Leeds had a Family Assessment Framework that they were promoting.School Nurses, are you involved in these developments? Woody.From: on behalf of CowleySent: Wed 18/03/2009 10:09 Subject: Re: FW: Special Mailing National Perinatal and Infant Mental Health networkGood luck with the conference Woody.  Can you expand on your oblique reference to risks of infant mortality and different perceptions, please?  On 18 Mar 2009, at 09:36, Caan, Woody wrote:Dear Senators and UKPHA s.i.g.,This conference in Chelmsford may interest some of you? I have to declare a bias, because the late Daksha Emson was my student.... at a meeting in Cambridge last night (the 'Statistics' part of Science Week) we discussed 'Risk' assessments in relation to infant mortality:parents and professionals may have v.different perceptions of these judgements!Woody. Infant Mental Health network<Draft Flyer 2009.doc>sarahcowley183btinternethttp://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COnEmail'>http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COnEmail has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management serviceBeyond Hotmail — see what else you can do with Windows Live. 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Thanks , I'll look at those. I have thought a lot about measuring outcomes because as pointed out proving benefit could have implications for others, Thanks again , sharman

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Dear Sharman

You have given this a lot of thought, and well done for wanting to take this forward. We have several people researching DV at King's, so most of our MSc programmes would support research in this area; the MRes is particularly for anyone who is interested in research. You can download our prospectus from the end of the page at:

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/schools/nursing/reports/index.html

Information about our DV research is mainly in the maternal health research section, on

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/schools/nursing/research/aims/groups/maternal.html

It would be great if your organisation would fund you to complete a research masters, as getting funding for 'stand alone' research tends to be extremely difficult.

good luck with taking this forward.

kind regards

On 28 Mar 2009, at 20:40, sharman burchell wrote:

I have previously posted my role(specialist practitioner domestic violence) and the preventative approach I wish to take re DV and sharing information between health and police. Then coordinate proactive indicated prevention. Outcome measures may be school readiness re speech and language scores/ family well being measures etc. Clearly this is open to other variables I would like to roll out routine and selective enquiry between A & E staff and practice nurses. In brief , this would entail A & E suspecting abuse but being unable to respond or receiving a negative to enquiry (Using wales care pathway approach) A routine call for pill check, smear, or well woman, could use selective enquiry. Then refer if positive to womens aid. I am going to request funding for a masters degree , plan A - If this is funded can anyone suggest a course that will support the research of this ? Plan B If I get Knocked back , can anyone suggest a research route to apply for and how, DCSF , DH, etc, Thanks , Sharman Any ideas responses would be really very welcome

From: Woody.Caananglia (DOT) ac.ukDate: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:10:42 +0000Subject: RE: FW: Special Mailing National Perinatal and Infant Mental Health network

Good work, Sharman!

A little bit of Health can go a long way....

The Leeds 'signpost' team did not share their FAF with the workshop yesterday.

However, I just found a webpage http://www.renewleeds.co.uk/page.php?id=40 including a contact number and email address, if you want to follow them up.

All the best to Senators for Mother's Day,

Woody.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Ofsharman burchellSent: 20 March 2009 09:36 Subject: RE: FW: Special Mailing National Perinatal and Infant Mental Health network

Hi Woody , I visited our FIP leader, on wednesday and asked about joining up with health. I recently attended a FIP and ASBO information day locally . I was invited in my capacity as being seconded to a council safer community team, with the DV team. I was the only "health" worker there. They had not invited any universal services. When I asked whether they liaised with health , it was clear that this wasn't routine . So I asked to see her . All FIPS are developed differently , some based in housing , some councils etc. She told me that the national model did have health workers attached , but our local one never. When I discussed with her that the children enagaging in anti social will have a named school nurse , but also may have younger sibling who have a named HV . She aknowledged that they were having a multi -agency meeting re a child this week , and HV had not been included, I think schoolse may have . She was genuinley enthusiastic and very interested regarding neurological development and links with future anti-social behaviour and the role of universal services. We chatted further regarding 2 way referral , and she is going to see my manager. As I came away I reflected that refrrals are clearly made to "relevant" agencies and wondered why it seems so difficult to be aknowledged as KEY to these childrens lives and future. Do other areas have close links with FIPs ? This ties in well with my aim to share all dv incidents police attend with health and not wait till crisis and refer to Social services as child protection. Again the govt is banging on about joining up , sharing info , and the benefits of universal services ,etc , and yet..................... It seems that in the translation of policy to practice the relevance of universal services seems vague and to be honest peripheral. I think central govt (DH,DCSF,Home Office) have grasped it , I think locally it will take time to filter down. Have other areas got good examples of joined up working with health and police, FIP's etc. Did you get a look at the family assessment framework , Leeds were using ? Sharman

From: Woody.Caananglia (DOT) ac.ukDate: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:31:05 +0000Subject: RE: FW: Special Mailing National Perinatal and Infant Mental Health network

Dear ,

The event Statistics Are Either Dull of Wrong: Discuss began with excellent talks by Prof. Spiegelhalter and Dr. Ben Goldacre, using various health examples from the popular Press.

I have hesitated to expand on the subsequent discussions in which I took part, because the language (derived from Sun headlines etc) was far from 'PC' and I do not want to offend any Senators e.g. with my specific example from 1990s Cambridgeshire when it was on special measures, about identifying potential 'baby killers'...

the polite translation of the Professor of the Public Understanding of Risk's reply could be to contrast lay people (e.g. most parents) who do not want 'certainty' about Risk, with increasingly defensive (and blamed) professionals who want to tick enough Risk 'boxes' that they are certain that family X will kill infant Y, even if high specificity means that most infants who will die would not be detected because their families are too ordinary.

The key message was the defensive use of screening instruments by professionals to produce simple and confident (but atypical) results.

With much less discomfort, I can talk about a great roadshow with 250 participants today in Leeds for the Youth Task Force (except zero school nurses or CAMHS staff attended!). A key insight from the DCSF sponsors was there use of indicators of multiple disadvantage to 'target' families, based explicitly on Figure 4 onwards in the attached Social Exclusion document from 2004. Every speaker talked about Parenting, and Anne Weinstock the YTF director (formerly of national Connexions) emphasised that 'effective parenting' was the most important factor in preventing subsequent 'youth crime'. The 'most extreme families' or 2% of the population have 5+ Risk Factors for social exclusion: this is the essence of targeting practice e.g. for Family Intervention Projects. Regarding HV caseloads especially Family Nurse Partnerships, the NCH model of 'FIPs' adopted by the DCSF limit each keyworker to 3 - 6 'extreme' families - and keyworkers are still burning out! One DCSF civil servant replied to a query about teenage parents within these multiple risk households, that the most effective FIPs are in places where the teenage mum and dad also have a Family Nurse partnership pilot to start support antenatally!!

We must get stories of this 'effective' parenting partnership from Health Visitors and Social Workers who are now involved with the same 'socially excluded families'....

Nobody had a good word for the CAF, but the social workers in Leeds had a Family Assessment Framework that they were promoting.

School Nurses, are you involved in these developments?

Woody.

From: on behalf of CowleySent: Wed 18/03/2009 10:09 Subject: Re: FW: Special Mailing National Perinatal and Infant Mental Health network

Good luck with the conference Woody. Can you expand on your oblique reference to risks of infant mortality and different perceptions, please?

On 18 Mar 2009, at 09:36, Caan, Woody wrote:

Dear Senators and UKPHA s.i.g.,

This conference in Chelmsford may interest some of you?

I have to declare a bias, because the late Daksha Emson was my student....

at a meeting in Cambridge last night (the 'Statistics' part of Science Week) we discussed 'Risk' assessments in relation to infant mortality:

parents and professionals may have v.different perceptions of these judgements!

Woody.

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Wow, that is a great idea. Thank you so much.

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an advocacy organization for parents with disabilities.

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Hi If anybody is reading I am scared I have been hurting in my left side for months it felt like a big knot by my bellybutton and now I am passing tar stools and bright red blood out of both I know I should go to the doc's but my husband goes into the hospital monday. So if you have any ideas please let me know. Thanks LMay

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GO TO ER!!!

Hi If anybody is reading I am scared I have been hurting in my left side for months it felt like a big knot by my bellybutton and now I am passing tar stools and bright red blood out of both I know I should go to the doc's but my husband goes into the hospital monday. So if you have any ideas please let me know. Thanks LMay

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Hi If anybody is reading I am scared I have been hurting in my left side for months it felt like a big knot by my bellybutton and now I am passing tar stools and bright red blood out of both I know I should go to the doc's but my husband goes into the hospital monday. So if you have any ideas please let me know. Thanks LMay

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I don't have ANY medical degrees LMay, but I think you should get to the ER yourself... right away!!! NOW!

It might not be anything too bad, but I sure would have a doc check it out!! just in case!!

We want to keep you 'round!!

hugs, and wishing for the best...

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Hi If anybody is reading I am scared I have been hurting in my left side for months it felt like a big knot by my bellybutton and now I am passing tar stools and bright red blood out of both I know I should go to the doc's but my husband goes into the hospital monday. So if you have any ideas please let me know. Thanks LMay

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I don't have ANY medical degrees LMay, but I think you should get to the ER yourself... right away!!! NOW!

It might not be anything too bad, but I sure would have a doc check it out!! just in case!!

We want to keep you 'round!!

hugs, and wishing for the best...

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Hi If anybody is reading I am scared I have been hurting in my left side for months it felt like a big knot by my bellybutton and now I am passing tar stools and bright red blood out of both I know I should go to the doc's but my husband goes into the hospital monday. So if you have any ideas please let me know. Thanks LMay

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Hon,If I had symptoms like that, I wouldn't be waiting until Monday! Sounds like you have an impacted bowel (in my not-so-professional opinion). But whatever it is, you need to go in like yesterday! Tar stools means there is considerable blood in there (or your taking iron)...bright red blood means you're bleeding and unless you have hemmerhoids, its likely intestinal bleeding.Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerryFrom: LMay Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:52:55 -0500< >Subject: Help Needed Hi If anybody  is reading I am scared I have been hurting in my left side for months it felt like a big knot by my bellybutton and now I am passing tar stools and bright red blood out of both I know I should go to the doc's but my husband goes into the hospital monday. So if you have any ideas please let me know.  Thanks  LMay

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