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I have only one small spot on the back of my head that is P, is that very

uncommon to have very little P but have PA? <snip> Thanks -- Diane

>>

I currently have very little P as well, just on my scalp and it isn't

anywhere near totally covered. When the P was at its height, I had it only

on my scalp, elbows, one knee and a bit on my face. That was several years

ago. I also understand that there are people whose PA arrives before the P,

although it may not be recognized as PA because there is no P. How confusing

is that?!?

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Jerry Springer is such a nitwit. Although my part in Malkovich wasn't that

long, I believe it was an excellent piece and kudos to Vern too.

We, the actors, need more good roles, not one every other year or whatever.

I want to portray us so badly in a positive strong light. Maybe even one of

us can write a fantastic script.

Why not a Bond girl, Bond of course. Or the owner of a strong

business corporation, etc. Give us the material and we'll do the best we

can to make you all proud of us.

Judi

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Judi, you do have a good idea there gal! I have been writing

such a script for over a year now. I missed a huge deadline with

my book and had to forfeit some advances, so now I feel this will

take less time, and hopefully, get to the right people in less

than a year. It is about 1/3 finished, not 1/3 started...LOL

Warm ones to everyone, Debi Hoggan

Re: Digest Number 203

> From: Outsider AngelSpider <xmaself@...>

>

> Jerry Springer is such a nitwit. Although my part in Malkovich

wasn't that

> long, I believe it was an excellent piece and kudos to Vern

too.

>

> We, the actors, need more good roles, not one every other year

or whatever.

> I want to portray us so badly in a positive strong light. Maybe

even one of

> us can write a fantastic script.

>

> Why not a Bond girl, Bond of course. Or the owner of a

strong

> business corporation, etc. Give us the material and we'll do

the best we

> can to make you all proud of us.

>

> Judi

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Debi, write me a role kiddo, you won't regret it. Those of us in the LPA

community who are real actors, need some good roles. Don't particularly

write them with short-staturedness in mind, after all I am a woman.

(smiles) Give me a way to tell the world how we really are. Not the buffoon

roles.

If you want my resume, to see my other talents too, I'll work with you. Let

me help you.

If you want names of serious others, I'd be more then happy to accomodate

you. I'll be your ear to lean on. There is such an incredible lack of work

for the group of us trying to make a living at this.

Judi

At 08:12 AM 12/1/99 -0700, Hoggan Clan wrote:

>Judi, you do have a good idea there gal! I have been writing

>such a script for over a year now. I missed a huge deadline with

>my book and had to forfeit some advances, so now I feel this will

>take less time, and hopefully, get to the right people in less

>than a year. It is about 1/3 finished, not 1/3 started...LOL

>Warm ones to everyone, Debi Hoggan

> Re: Digest Number 203

>

>

>> From: Outsider AngelSpider <xmaself@...>

>>

>> Jerry Springer is such a nitwit. Although my part in Malkovich

>wasn't that

>> long, I believe it was an excellent piece and kudos to Vern

>too.

>>

>> We, the actors, need more good roles, not one every other year

>or whatever.

>> I want to portray us so badly in a positive strong light. Maybe

>even one of

>> us can write a fantastic script.

>>

>> Why not a Bond girl, Bond of course. Or the owner of a

>strong

>> business corporation, etc. Give us the material and we'll do

>the best we

>> can to make you all proud of us.

>>

>> Judi

>>

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>>

>> The Mental Health Practitioner's Instant Resource Library for

>$5.99!

>> This concise 4-book set is a time-saving aid for basic clinical

>tasks.

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>Service.

>> <a href= " http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/dblselect1 " >Click

>Here</a>

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> I hope you are having your amalgams removed in the approved way.

Hi ,

Yes, I have a dentist that is Mercury Free off the DAMS list. Still he

drilled some and I have had some lympy node pain, but Ray S. says that is

maybe from the solvents they used. Not doing chelation yet as I have a

fortune to spend and more time than money. Just will have to stay sick a

little longer till the funds are available to get the dental work done. I

have been exposed to so many quacks in the dental profession that my teeth

have huge silver fillings that will need caps when the mercury is taken out

and replaced with composites....this is a battle for sure. Dr.'s have such

huge ego's especially when you want to be a part of your own healing....they

do pretty good if you don't ask to many questions or give them any idea that

you might know more on a certain subject than they do. AND GAWD FORBID you

take them anything off the internet for educational purposes....

Thanks again,

Lucinda

>There is a protocol for removal of amalgams, and for chelation of metals

>after removal. The dentist is supposed to chip out the fillings not

>just drill them. You need to be monitored by a doctor for mercury

>levels, and DMSA chelation done at no more than 100mg a day. I have

>not yet found a dentist or doctor that understands what they are supposed

>to do, or that understands to do the protocol properly. I am currently

>educating my doctors, and it is a battle, but armed with published NIH

>information even these " experts " can learn. LTLDAB1@...

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Hi ,

Boy you have a problem here don't you? Maybe soy would be a good protein

substitue for the meat, dairy and eggs? I'm allergic to soy but can eat

meat. Also I started taking Armour Thyroid about a month ago and do have

more energy. Hopefully when we get the mercury outta our mouths and outta

out bodies the thyroid will kick in again and alot of the allergic symptoms

will also disappear. We can hope ! :o)

Also beans and rice or potato's in combination are good for protein. Also I

am reading a book called " Potato's not Prozac about sugar sensitive people,

she has some pretty good information in there to. Just keep asking

questions, sooner or later someone will have the info you need...good luck

Lucinda

>Hi,

>I was wondering if there are any vegetarians on the list. The times I've

tried to go vegetarian I feel great for maybe a month and then get very

tired--now I realize that could be thyroid related. Is there any way to be

successful as a vegetarian with hypothyroidism? Dairy is not an option nor

are eggs since I am allergic to both. I can eat meats-fish-chicken but

prefer not to.

>

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Yes what you are saying is very true, and I have found doctors to

act in the same fashion as you said. I told them that I had some

information for my doctor and they would smile in an understanding

fashion to try to appease me and make me feel better, like they were

talking to a inquisitive child. They became very sober when shown Ray

S's information, and very very very attentive when confronted by my

information from NIH, and other government sites, and then I emailed them

some more. It is kind of hard for them to ignore the EPA, CDC, FDA,

ect., and university studies from around the world. When they hear

internet information they are expecting someones opinion, I kind of blind

sided them by producing more factual information than they knew.

From Dr. Bakers site there are some things that you can do if you can not

do chelation yet. http://www.y2khealthanddetox.com selenium, Vit. C,

chlorella, fresh uncooked garlic, (keeps vampires away too)

multivitamin, probiotics (little microbes for the belly), and MSM

sulfer, many large chain drug stores should have what you want, but ask a

lot of questions. Please confirm my thoughts with Ray if you can, and

go into the mcfsn archives, and also look them up yourself on the other

government sites. Also go into the

/messages/autism treatment site to review

informational addresses there, and also learn more about thimerosal

(mercury). I don't know if we can save ourselves, but the least we can

do is save the next generation yet unborn.

LTLDAB1@...

>

> I hope you are having your amalgams removed in the approved way.

Hi ,

Yes, I have a dentist that is Mercury Free off the DAMS list. Still he

drilled some and I have had some lympy node pain, but Ray S. says that is

maybe from the solvents they used. Not doing chelation yet as I have a

fortune to spend and more time than money. Just will have to stay sick a

little longer till the funds are available to get the dental work done. I

have been exposed to so many quacks in the dental profession that my teeth

have huge silver fillings that will need caps when the mercury is taken out

and replaced with composites....this is a battle for sure. Dr.'s have such

huge ego's especially when you want to be a part of your own healing....they

do pretty good if you don't ask to many questions or give them any idea that

you might know more on a certain subject than they do. AND GAWD FORBID you

take them anything off the internet for educational purposes....

Thanks again,

Lucinda

>There is a protocol for removal of amalgams, and for chelation of metals

>after removal. The dentist is supposed to chip out the fillings not

>just drill them. You need to be monitored by a doctor for mercury

>levels, and DMSA chelation done at no more than 100mg a day. I have

>not yet found a dentist or doctor that understands what they are supposed

>to do, or that understands to do the protocol properly. I am currently

>educating my doctors, and it is a battle, but armed with published NIH

>information even these " experts " can learn. LTLDAB1@...

>

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Dear Sara:

The PCR is a time consuming and costly test, and that's why many do

not order it too often. It is also a pain to get the same, because after

drawing the blood, you have to spin it down, then open the tube (or use

a needle and syringe), and take off the serum only. It then has to be

transferred into a plastic container and immediately frozen. It has to

remain frozen until the lab is ready to conduct the test.

But, from what you have said, if you are really concerned, get an

order to another set of PCR-RNA quant and qual. That will tell you what

is going on. The LFTs are probably useless to you at this point, and,

for peace of mind, only the viral level will help give you what you are

looking for. But, again, understand that lab values do change, and can

change frequently depending on many factors.

Since this is stressing you out, (understandably), then focus on the

viral load, because, it sounds like the stress and similar issues are

going to cause further problems, and that is not wanted. Marty

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Dear Sara:

The PCR is a time consuming and costly test, and that's why many do

not order it too often. It is also a pain to get the same, because after

drawing the blood, you have to spin it down, then open the tube (or use

a needle and syringe), and take off the serum only. It then has to be

transferred into a plastic container and immediately frozen. It has to

remain frozen until the lab is ready to conduct the test.

But, from what you have said, if you are really concerned, get an

order to another set of PCR-RNA quant and qual. That will tell you what

is going on. The LFTs are probably useless to you at this point, and,

for peace of mind, only the viral level will help give you what you are

looking for. But, again, understand that lab values do change, and can

change frequently depending on many factors.

Since this is stressing you out, (understandably), then focus on the

viral load, because, it sounds like the stress and similar issues are

going to cause further problems, and that is not wanted. Marty

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Dear :

You are experiencing something that many people experience. It is

usually caused by one of two things and can be easily dealt with. I have

found that most people get this because their sugar levels get too low.

I am not talking about measuring it the same way we do diabetics, but,

your body is not releasing, or absorbing the sugars as it should. By

drinking something sweet, or eating something that has sugar in it,

usually relieves the symptoms. Also, to make sure your body is not

making up it's own rules, eating smaller, more frequent meals also seems

to help.

My wife went through this, and, 7 weeks after stopping therapy, she

still gets this feeling. The other common cause of symptoms like yours

is your blood pressure being too low. This is relative to what you body

believes it needs. If your brain does not feel it has enough oxygenated

blood to go around. As a protective measure, it will force the blood

stream to first make sure the vital organs have what they need.

These include the brain, heart, liver, kidneys, lungs, etc.

If it suspects you are not getting enough, or that you are not

removing enough waste products from your system, it cuts the flow to

all the " unnecessary " body parts. These include legs, arms, and other

areas with major muscle groups. If you are able to fight it long enough,

it will actually make you pass out to protect itself.

In the heat, when you are working towards trying to make all your

organs happy, it becomes that much more difficult. It's like a room full

of teenagers at a party. They all want to be at the party, but some want

to dance, the guys are trying to act in a manner to impress, (or be a

jerk), for the ladies, the guys have one thought on their minds, and it

may not amount to anything. You may have some that want pizza, some want

snacks, some may be doing drugs, or whatever.

But the fact remains, that as the host you have certain guidelines

that will be followed, because it is your house and you make the rules.

They can follow them or leave. You know some will try to " bend " them a

little, and they are looking to see how far they can go. This is normal

and healthy.

Everyone can work together towards having fun without any problems.

But, if someone(s) are going to cause a problem, you want to calm it

down as early as possible to avoid any potential real hassles. That may

mean having some go to one part of the house and others to another

location.

The body is not much different, and if the rules are broken, they

can leave, or, you can throw them out. But, someone has to be in control

and try to make the majority have a good time. That is what your body

will do-it will set up some rules, and if something unusual happens,

such as excessive heat, or similar, then it either separate parts out,

or ends the party until it has control again.

Just make sure you get a lot of fluids. Eat small meals more

frequently, and take breaks as you need them. I hope that the fatigue

may not get any worse, and that may be reasonable. Where are you, week

wise, in therapy? Your body will still have the fatigue to some extent,

but, you also may be one of the stronger people that will overcome this

easier then others, so you may already have passed the " normal " worse

times.

Just take one day at a time. By the way, where are you located?, I

think you told me once, but I forgot. Please stay in touch and keep up

the positive and good work. Marty

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Dear :

You are experiencing something that many people experience. It is

usually caused by one of two things and can be easily dealt with. I have

found that most people get this because their sugar levels get too low.

I am not talking about measuring it the same way we do diabetics, but,

your body is not releasing, or absorbing the sugars as it should. By

drinking something sweet, or eating something that has sugar in it,

usually relieves the symptoms. Also, to make sure your body is not

making up it's own rules, eating smaller, more frequent meals also seems

to help.

My wife went through this, and, 7 weeks after stopping therapy, she

still gets this feeling. The other common cause of symptoms like yours

is your blood pressure being too low. This is relative to what you body

believes it needs. If your brain does not feel it has enough oxygenated

blood to go around. As a protective measure, it will force the blood

stream to first make sure the vital organs have what they need.

These include the brain, heart, liver, kidneys, lungs, etc.

If it suspects you are not getting enough, or that you are not

removing enough waste products from your system, it cuts the flow to

all the " unnecessary " body parts. These include legs, arms, and other

areas with major muscle groups. If you are able to fight it long enough,

it will actually make you pass out to protect itself.

In the heat, when you are working towards trying to make all your

organs happy, it becomes that much more difficult. It's like a room full

of teenagers at a party. They all want to be at the party, but some want

to dance, the guys are trying to act in a manner to impress, (or be a

jerk), for the ladies, the guys have one thought on their minds, and it

may not amount to anything. You may have some that want pizza, some want

snacks, some may be doing drugs, or whatever.

But the fact remains, that as the host you have certain guidelines

that will be followed, because it is your house and you make the rules.

They can follow them or leave. You know some will try to " bend " them a

little, and they are looking to see how far they can go. This is normal

and healthy.

Everyone can work together towards having fun without any problems.

But, if someone(s) are going to cause a problem, you want to calm it

down as early as possible to avoid any potential real hassles. That may

mean having some go to one part of the house and others to another

location.

The body is not much different, and if the rules are broken, they

can leave, or, you can throw them out. But, someone has to be in control

and try to make the majority have a good time. That is what your body

will do-it will set up some rules, and if something unusual happens,

such as excessive heat, or similar, then it either separate parts out,

or ends the party until it has control again.

Just make sure you get a lot of fluids. Eat small meals more

frequently, and take breaks as you need them. I hope that the fatigue

may not get any worse, and that may be reasonable. Where are you, week

wise, in therapy? Your body will still have the fatigue to some extent,

but, you also may be one of the stronger people that will overcome this

easier then others, so you may already have passed the " normal " worse

times.

Just take one day at a time. By the way, where are you located?, I

think you told me once, but I forgot. Please stay in touch and keep up

the positive and good work. Marty

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Dear Suzy:

My wife is doing fairly well, thank you for asking. She completed

therapy beginning of May, 2000, her 4 week post treatment viral loads

were undetectable, and her regular blood counts are slowly coming back

to normal. She is feeling less tired, but is still not back to 100%.

Each day is usually better.

The normal blood counts, with viral loads are done at the end of

therapy; about 4 weeks after the end of therapy, and then 6 months after

completion of therapy. After that it will probably be yearly. This is

all assuming there are no other abnormalities, or medical problems that

need monitoring. Please stay in touch. Marty

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Dear Suzy:

My wife is doing fairly well, thank you for asking. She completed

therapy beginning of May, 2000, her 4 week post treatment viral loads

were undetectable, and her regular blood counts are slowly coming back

to normal. She is feeling less tired, but is still not back to 100%.

Each day is usually better.

The normal blood counts, with viral loads are done at the end of

therapy; about 4 weeks after the end of therapy, and then 6 months after

completion of therapy. After that it will probably be yearly. This is

all assuming there are no other abnormalities, or medical problems that

need monitoring. Please stay in touch. Marty

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Thanks Marty for your input.

I live in the Dallas area of Texas :) HEAT is something I used to enjoy

before I got hep!

The fatigue and intolerance to heat are not new to treatment for me. I'm in

month 2 (forgot the week). Last year I had to rent a car for the summer to

go to work cause our car with the a/c, the a/c stopped working.

Yes I've found smaller more frequent meals help me feel much better.

I will try the morning sugar thing. I guess that is one of my " sides " of

treatment, the exhausted fainty feeling in the a.m. Or I may have felt that

way before treatment but just hurt so bad I never knew it.

But I'll sure take this fatigue over the hurting I did before treatment.

Once I'm over the morning fainty thing, I feel fine and enjoy the day :)

Till I wind down, and then it's lites out till I recharge.

Thanks again!

alley/

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Thanks Marty for your input.

I live in the Dallas area of Texas :) HEAT is something I used to enjoy

before I got hep!

The fatigue and intolerance to heat are not new to treatment for me. I'm in

month 2 (forgot the week). Last year I had to rent a car for the summer to

go to work cause our car with the a/c, the a/c stopped working.

Yes I've found smaller more frequent meals help me feel much better.

I will try the morning sugar thing. I guess that is one of my " sides " of

treatment, the exhausted fainty feeling in the a.m. Or I may have felt that

way before treatment but just hurt so bad I never knew it.

But I'll sure take this fatigue over the hurting I did before treatment.

Once I'm over the morning fainty thing, I feel fine and enjoy the day :)

Till I wind down, and then it's lites out till I recharge.

Thanks again!

alley/

ICQ 12631861

alleypat@...

http://www.flash.net/~alleypat

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It is long past 08.01.01

Any chance of deleting this?

> Digest Number 203

>

> HAPPY CHRISTMAS AND 2001!

> I'M ON HOLS UNTIL WEEK OF 8.01.01 SO

> UNABLE TO REPLY JUST NOW

>

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Robin,

Great question

"Are there any published articles/reports showing when it does NOT work?"

I havent ever seen any reports saying that it doesnt work...

I would imagine that there would be some articles out there stating its ineffectiveness in correcting structural curves.

What ARISE and ISOP are strongly advocating is early treatment with serial corrective plaster casts for progressive non structural scoliosis.. As far as I know, there are no articles published stating that early treatment with casts is ineffective for

those cases.

For severe curves that havent been treated early, casts will maintain a childs curve far more effectively than any brace EVER could....Until the child is absolutely ready for surgical intervention and has growth on his/her side.

About being rejected from 1 Shriners.....I am really not sure on this one?? Does anyone else know Shriners rules on that?

HRH

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Hey Gang:

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but in addition to the yearly flu shot,

my Doctors also recommend that I am current on the Pneumonia Vaccine.

I am at risk for Pneumonia as I have had 3 bouts. . . but this might be

something that the 'Older and At Risk' brother and sister survivors need to

check into.

As always. . . you Guys are in my prayers.

" K "

" I AIN'T FINISHED YET " !!!

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Yep not sure if you have had that Pneumonia

shot but its once only and you carry a card around

that you have had it

my Hem Doc and GP both reommend those shots and to get

them early as this years flu has already started it

appears

SkipD

--- IAintFinishedYet <kttweety@...> wrote:

> Hey Gang:

>

> I don't know about the rest of you guys, but in

> addition to the yearly flu shot, my Doctors also

> recommend that I am current on the Pneumonia

> Vaccine.

>

> I am at risk for Pneumonia as I have had 3 bouts. .

> . but this might be something that the 'Older and At

> Risk' brother and sister survivors need to check

> into.

>

> As always. . . you Guys are in my prayers.

>

>

>

>

> " K "

> " I AIN'T FINISHED YET " !!!

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Skip,

I believe that the pneumonia vaccine is only good for 5 years. I had one when I

was diagnosed 6 years ago, and just had another one recently.

Skip Duffie <skipd_2002@...> wrote:

Yep not sure if you have had that Pneumonia

shot but its once only and you carry a card around

that you have had it

my Hem Doc and GP both reommend those shots and to get

them early as this years flu has already started it

appears

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