Re: Digest Number 328

[Guest guest]

>I was waiting to hear from the people in Arizona and I recieved a call from

>this school in Florida. There is a real shortage of Montessori teachers out

>there. So I'll be leaving in two weeks. Glad to hear that immigration is

>fine with it.

>

>Thanks,

>Kim

>

Kim,

I have some friends (who don't vac) and are starting a Montessori school in

Palm Bay, FL. Where are you going?

[Guest guest]

>

>Kim,

>

>I have some friends (who don't vac) and are starting a Montessori school in

>Palm Bay, FL. Where are you going?

>

>

,

I will be going to the Orlando area, I think that is near Palm Bay. Do your

friends have an email address? I would love to talk to them. You can give

them mine if you want.

Thanks,

Kim

[Guest guest]

This may be a dumb question from this Iowa girl but what is a montessori

school and if you decide to travel out side the u.s. what is the low down on

shots...My husband would like to go to Greese, Ireland, but I am not going

if I can't get back in cause of shots or queritine(sp).

Dawn

Re: Digest Number 328

> From: " Hiskes " <mom2a@...>

>

>

> >I was waiting to hear from the people in Arizona and I recieved a call

from

> >this school in Florida. There is a real shortage of Montessori teachers

out

> >there. So I'll be leaving in two weeks. Glad to hear that immigration

is

> >fine with it.

> >

> >Thanks,

> >Kim

> >

>

> Kim,

>

> I have some friends (who don't vac) and are starting a Montessori school

in

> Palm Bay, FL. Where are you going?

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

re:Charcoal-isn't one of the negative points about charcoal is that it has a

tendency to absorb all the good nutrients in the body, like vitamins,

minerals, etc, in addition to it's detoxing abilities?

[Guest guest]

Re: Peroxide use for stain removal-I threw out the original bottle and put it

into another container, but I think it was just the cheap drug store type 3%

or something like that.

[Guest guest]

When my son Drank gas for his little car, Big Boy's toy, they rushed him to

the hospital, there they used Charcoal to absorb the gas out...

He had put it in a coke can and then drank from the wrong one.. He is fine,

after that we put him in the HBOT chamber at my center!!

Re: Digest Number 328

>From: QiGirl4U@...

>

>re:Charcoal-isn't one of the negative points about charcoal is that it has

a

>tendency to absorb all the good nutrients in the body, like vitamins,

>minerals, etc, in addition to it's detoxing abilities?

>

>>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self- help subjects.

>

>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

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> From: QiGirl4U@...

>

> re:Charcoal-isn't one of the negative points about charcoal is

> that it has a tendency to absorb all the good nutrients in the

> body, like vitamins, minerals, etc, in addition to it's detoxing

> abilities?

Since activated charcoal is highly adsorbent, of course

there are some nutrients that will be adsorbed...this is why

it is taken on an empty stomach.

--

Marcus

[Guest guest]

Also take your other supplements a couple of hours after taking the

charcoal.

Tom

From: " Marcus " <cmarcus@...>

> From: QiGirl4U@...

>

> re:Charcoal-isn't one of the negative points about charcoal is

> that it has a tendency to absorb all the good nutrients in the

> body, like vitamins, minerals, etc, in addition to it's detoxing

> abilities?

Since activated charcoal is highly adsorbent, of course

there are some nutrients that will be adsorbed...this is why

it is taken on an empty stomach.

--

Marcus

OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self- help subjects.

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Please unsubscribe me from the list. It is has been a wonderful resource.

My son is 18 now. I wish I had known more 9 years ago when he was

diagnosed. I haven't had much time to read the messages for some time.

Thank you all for your wonderful contributions.

United Health Coverage Limitations

Mental Health Care Excluded from New HMO Policy

November 12, 1999

Web posted at: 10:10 AM EST (1510 GMT)

NEW YORK (AP) -- UnitedHealth Group won wide praise this week when it said

it would allow doctors, not HMO administrators, to have the final say in

patient care. It turns out there are exceptions.

The nation's second-largest managed care company said its new policy doesn't

include mental health coverage, a decision that prompted anger from

advocates on Thursday.

" Mental health is always the poor stepchild, and this is more evidence of

that, " said Holstein, a Long Beach, New Jersey, psychologist.

UnitedHealth officials defend the exclusion, noting they have yet to study

how the new policy would affect people seeking counseling or psychiatric

care.

The company fears that costs would escalate if they loosened the reins on

mental health providers because few objective tests exist to determine what

type of care, if any, is needed.

" Mental health holds a lot more intangibles than medical care in determining

what treatment someone needs, " said Saul Feldman, chief executive officer of

United Behavioral Health, UnitedHealth's subsidiary that manages mental

health and substance abuse benefits for 17 million Americans.

Under the new policy, UnitedHealth will still closely monitor its physicians

and require doctors to alert the health plan when they order expensive tests

or admit patients to the hospital. But if there are disagreements on

treatment, the doctor has the final say.

Feldman said new " parity laws " in 27 states require health plans to offer

equal coverage for physical and mental health. He said that will push costs

higher unless the company can tightly manage the care -- a task that would

be made more difficult if the health plan transferred final authority on

patient decisions to therapists.

" The issue we all have to recognize is there are legitimate differences

between mental health care and medical care, " said Feldman, a psychologist.

UnitedHealth's decision was disappointing but not surprising, said

Shore, president of the National Coalition of Mental Health Professionals

and Consumers in Commack, New York.

" There is a conscious or unconscious mean-spirited bias against mental

health, which the people in charge (of managed care firms) do not

understand, " Shore said.

UnitedHealth's new policy also excludes substance-abuse care providers.

Managed care firms usually combine oversight of mental health and substance

abuse because treatments are closely linked.

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[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear that your son has systemic ja how is he doing?

He seems to be holding his own - he is up and walking again - which is

an improvment. He does not understand why when nighfall hits he seems worse

and his little body starts puffing up and becoming inflamed. He sleeps

nightly with LOTS of pillows all over him and surroundinghim - says it is the

only way he can sleep. He felt so uncomfortable last night, he went and got

his brother to sleep with.

It's a real blowwhen you find out your baby has this disease, but it really

makes you hoppin' MAD when you have to get your little one into see a

specialist like a rheumy

doc and they say " we can't get you in till.......WHEN? "

I called his pediatrician who called the Rheumatologist and I now have

an appointment for this next Friday morning(Jan. 21st). Question: It is an

adult Rheutamologist - does that make a difference?

Take care:)

Teena

Thank you so much ---- Kat

[Guest guest]

Dear Kat, It seems that nights are worse for this disease. OUr daughter

was diagnosed in November with systemic JRA, she is 11. We are three months

into this disease, and the nights can still be hard. But there has been

improvement, ever so slowly. It is the pits of a disease to see your child

suffer day after day.

We see a Pediatric rheumatologist. I think that would be the best for your

child, but there are many more people here that have lots more experience

than I. It is a fairly rare speciality and they are very busy. We had a

tough time being seen, but be assertive. I remember I was in tears in the

hospital, and I just called the guy up in his university office, and told

him we wanted him immediately. We see him every three months now. We will

get a second opinion in Seattle and we have waited 2 months for that

appointment. But that appointment isn't as urgent as we know what is going

on now, and have n on medicine. Good luck. in Portland

Re: Digest Number 328

>From: Prov31Wise@...

>

> Sorry to hear that your son has systemic ja how is he doing?

> He seems to be holding his own - he is up and walking again - which is

>an improvment. He does not understand why when nighfall hits he seems

worse

>and his little body starts puffing up and becoming inflamed. He sleeps

>nightly with LOTS of pillows all over him and surroundinghim - says it is

the

>only way he can sleep. He felt so uncomfortable last night, he went and got

>his brother to sleep with.

>

> It's a real blowwhen you find out your baby has this disease, but it

really

>makes you hoppin' MAD when you have to get your little one into see a

>specialist like a rheumy

> doc and they say " we can't get you in till.......WHEN? "

> I called his pediatrician who called the Rheumatologist and I now have

>an appointment for this next Friday morning(Jan. 21st). Question: It is

an

>adult Rheutamologist - does that make a difference?

> Take care:)

> Teena

>Thank you so much ---- Kat

>

>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Betsy,

You can get your blood type from a blood test. If youv'e had children the

type should be on your records.

[Guest guest]

thanks for the advice on the bach remedies, chestnut! my only problem is

finding one or a couple of them to suit me..whenever i read the booklet, i

seem to have all of the negative emotional symptoms

<>

how does taking vitamin supplements feed the yeast (as long as the

supplements are hypoallergenic, non-yeast-based, etc.)??

*Jami

[Guest guest]

> Message: 5

> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 10:09:05 EDT

> From: betboys@...

> Subject: Re: Digest Number 327

>

> In a message dated 05/05/2000 4:23:55 AM Central Daylight Time,

> pjmoran@... writes:

>

> << Well, I don't buy this, Belinda. When tumours respond to any

> other kind of

> treatment they shrink. Even if there were an inflammatory

> reaction due to

> sudden total tumour necrosis (death), the tumour would have to

> be at least

> three quarters of this size to begin with.

> >>

> ,

> You have to remember that this approaches cancer differently

> than what

> you are accustomed to. With chemo, rad, surgery of course, you

> see tumours

> respond by shrinking (which itself is considered a " cure " or a

> response, but

> shrinking does not eliminate, does it.

You don't seem to have read earlier posts. I have explained that cure in

medicine means living on free of disease to die of other causes.

This could also account

> for the high

> recurrance rate with cancer treated by conventional treatment.)

You have not read my other posts showing a 50% overall cure rate of cancer

with conventional treatments, and 90+% cure rate with many cancers. I won't

ask you to tell me what the equivalent rates are with any alternative.

> You told me

> you knew all about Essiac, I don't think that you have truly

> studied it in

> any depth.

Here is what I actually said-----

PM>Yes, Belinda, I am familiar with Essiac, and the story behind it. I have

had a number of discussions PM>with one of the people selling it

PM>at http://www.natheal.demon.co.uk/can-t.htmland

PM>, trying to persuade him to do some survey work on it along the lines of

examples given in my post PM>about testing alternative cancer treatments.

> I tell you, the more I study Essiac, the more I am

> impressed with

> the synergestic effects of these 4 herb recipe. I urge you to study it

> yourself, read everything you can get your hands on. It is truly

> an amazing

> formula. Alternative medicine is not something you are truly

> experienced in

> first hand, it operates differently in many ways than conventional.

Make sure you get a balanced view, in your research. The University of

Texas is pro-alternative and involved in the testing of a lot of

alternatives. They have an exhaustive review of knowledge about Essiac at

http://www.sph.uth.tmc.edu/utcam/therapies/essic.htm

It does seem to come down to the usual few testimonials. They say that no

prospective clinical trials have ever been done, and it this is this that

you need to get those selling it to start gathering data for, if you feel so

strongly about it.

Just

> because you have personally never seen anything operate like

> Essiac, does not oout

> mean that it does not happen. Read the research, read the

> history, read the

> documentation, study the herbs seperately in depth etc.

>

> said....

> << Not in the slightest. I will never say anything about cancer I can't

> support. After lumpectomy alone the local recurrence rate of

> breast cancer

> is as high as 25%, depending on the thoroughness of removal. We

> don't even

> know for sure here whether she may have merely had a biopsy, in

> which case

> 100% recurrence would be expected.

>

> This is why she should have either had a follow-up mastectomy, or, if the

> intention was to preserve the breast as is usual these days, and it was

> thought that an adequate lumpectomy had been performed (often

> further tissue

> will be taken if not sure these days), radiotherapy to the breast should

> have been given. This has been shown in numerous trials to dramatically

> reduce local recurrence after surgery, and is an essential part of breast

> conservation treatment in most cases. It is absolutely clear

> that when she

> refused further treatment she brought this state upon herself.

>

> Moran

> > >>

> ,

> There are no guareentees in life. Life itself is a risk.

> This is a very

> intelligent lady who like you was a very loyal conventional

> doctor at one

> time. Her interest was ultimately in safety and healing, not

> necessarily the

> money. I guess she earned plenty enough in her life as an orthopedic

> surgeon. I am sure that this lady would oblige herself to talk

> to you. I

> think that you should contact her personally to see exactly what

> she did or

> did not do, before you start speculating. Don't approach her with an

> " attitude " but with sincere interest and I am sure that you will find her

> engaging and accomodating.

I am sure she is a charming lady, but there are just too many things that

just don't add up regarding her. This would include the fact that if she

spectacularly cured her cancer in the way she describes, and is still " a

very loyal conventional doctor " with an interest in " safety and healing " why

did she not write up her case and publish it? I know many medical journals

that would be interested in publishing such a case. Why could this be?

Also no " loyal conventional doctor " would fail to see the need for more data

gathering about the treatment she is recommending, as do I.

But one point I would like to make again is that the truth of one particular

case like this is not as crucial as you might think. Pilgrimages to the

grotto at Lourdes produced some spectacular well-documented miraculous cures

of cancer, but few people nowadays put this near the top of their list of

cancer cures to follow. Why? Because the cures were so rare and

unpredictable. Similar things happening rarely while some are using

alternatives, even when no other reason for benefit is evident, does not

unfortunately prove that we are onto a generally useful cancer treatment.

Only looking at the results of treatment of a collection of cancer patients

will do this, and this is all that I am saying AM must do if it wants to

push useful treatments to the surface out of much that is murky. I have

pointed out that with cancer and modern technology there is no difficulty in

knowing whether an established cancer is responding to treatment, so that

you don't need sophisticated double blind or other controlled trials to find

out if a treatment is as effective as is often claimed within AM.

If no one within AM wants to do this, fine. But please understand that you

will never validate a single alternative cancer treatment purely by trying

to turn people against well-validated conventional treatments and invoking

conspiracy theories. The experience of the last fifty years should have

proved this to you once and for all.

It is fine for anyone with cancer to use any alternative they wish on the

testimonial evidence available right now, but Medicine observes that there

are fifty or sixty alternatives with similar claims, many of which ARE

undoubtedly fraudulent. So of course Medicine is not interested in

abandoning proven treatments, with known cure and response rates, or

diverting scarce resources away from its own numerous cancer research

endeavours (targeted immunology, angiogenesis inhibitors, studies in the

molecular biology and the genetics of cancer etc) to look at any

alternatives. Especially when there appears to be so little impetus within

AM itself to gather the data that might show that a treatment has consistent

effects.

> You can discuss your views and get

> her opinions

> on them. Don't call and accuse and doubt, just listen. I have heard her

> talk on radio shows and she was recently on television (I missed

> the program

> though, dog gone it!). She seems like a very kind, caring and

> sincere person

S.C. is also said to be very charming and plausible. So was Milan Brych

(another cancer fraud you won't have heard of).

> and you should find alot in common since you are both surgeons. I don't

> think that this lady is a greedy, lying, deceitful human at all

> as you seem

> to think, out to make a fortune on unsuspecting little folks such as

> ourselves. She already has plenty of money anyway.

I don't

> think that she

> would have put herself through all the " grief " that the medical

> establishment

> has given her, if she did not believe in what she believes in, do you?

>

If you believe all that she has told you, I can understand you feeling this

way. But I don't think the question as to what can effectively treat cancer

should hang upon any individual personality or what that personality says.

Conventional medicine does not follow gurus. It wants clear out and readily

verifiable results. Not just the odd spectacular case. Put perhaps half a

dozen cases like hers together , with biopsy results and all clinical

details, and people will take notice.

> Belinda

>

>

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>please send me a recipe with such an ingredient Much obliged.

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In a message dated 07/18/2000 2:59:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< yep... the combination of the two would be my choice. The other two

oils that I'd reach for for acne are helichrysum and german chamomile, but

they are so expensive I'd never put them in cold process soap. >>

Marge- thanks for the input! )

Marilyn

[Guest guest]

thanks for sending the sweet potato/pumpkin soup recipe,,, was that you lynn?

sounds wonderful. any easy way to peel pumpkin?

hope your heartburn is cleared up Deb... did you put any ketchup on that

meatloaf??!! maybe the nuts were rancid in that trail mix??

never tried leeks, will look for them... that saute is worth a try!

has anyone found carob that doesn't have any corn in it? or chocolate that

doesn't have milk in it?! healthy eating!!

[Guest guest]

> thanks for sending the sweet potato/pumpkin soup recipe,,, was that

you lynn?

> sounds wonderful. any easy way to peel pumpkin?

>

> hope your heartburn is cleared up Deb... did you put any ketchup

on that

> meatloaf??!! maybe the nuts were rancid in that trail mix??

>

> never tried leeks, will look for them... that saute is worth a

try!

>

> has anyone found carob that doesn't have any corn in it? or

chocolate that

> doesn't have milk in it?! healthy eating!!

I thought carob was just ground carob beans:

" The carob tree is a Mediterranean plant. It has existed for

over 4000 years. It is a legume, evergreen and a beautiful

shade tree and takes 20 years to reach its full height,

which is 50ft (over 15mts) high and 50ft( over 15mts).

wide, with a tap root to 125ft (38mts). In places like

Egypt, where the water is mainly underground, that long tap

root has allowed the carob trees to survive. The surface

root system never goes beyond the leaf canopy.

The tree takes up to 8 years to produce a crop of pods, 15

years to produce a commercial size crop, but by 20 years

can produce up to a tonne in one season. It will continue

to produce for up to 200 years and only the female trees in

the wild, produce pods. In commercial cultivation the trees

are grafted male and female together so every tree produces

a crop. Bees do the pollination as the masses of small

cluster flowers offer large amounts of nectar as

incentive. "

Taken from here:

http://www.carobana.com.au/

Anyway I would have thought that carob powder bought from a health

food store or such (particularly if organic) would not have contained

anything else.

This is quite good site on carob:

http://newcrop.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/carob.html

And another is:

http://www.intercom.es/balears/carob/palgu_i.htm

Now to chocolate, here in the UK we have a company called Green &

Blacks who make amongst other things chocolate bars which contain 70%

cocoa bean. (And they have a web site :¬)

http://www.earthfoods.co.uk/gbs2.html

I thought only milk chocolate contained milk or does dark chocolate

contain it as well? G & B's Dark does not contain milk, I know this

because a UK company make a marzipan covered in G & B's dark

chocolate which is suitable for vegetarians/vegans and gluten-free!

Whether G & B's chocolate is available outside UK I don't know.

--

Steve - CHeltenham, UK

---

In Love and Light we ARE

In Darkness we ARE NO LESS

[Guest guest]

<snip>

> any easy way to peel pumpkin?

>

</snip>

I haven't tried this -- but... I remember a recipe book that

suggested cutting the pumpkin in half, clean out the seeds and goop,

place it skin side up in a deep baking pan with about 1/2 inch

boiling

water, and bake it in the oven on low heat (300 degrees F) for an

hour

or so. You should then be able to scoop the pumpkin away from the

skin with a spoon or paring knife.

Stan B.

[Guest guest]

lescase@... wrote:

> has anyone found carob that doesn't have any corn in it? or chocolate that

> doesn't have milk in it?! healthy eating!!

If you are looking for milk free chocolate you might try the jewish section -

food marked pareve are milk free. And I believe I've seen chocolate there.

If you live in a big city (as I do) you might find a whole jewish store.

If you have no luck let me know (off list) and i'll see if I can get it.

(I can't have chocolate at all due to caffeine

sigh.

Crystal.

[Guest guest]

Hello all! My doctor has recently recommended that I undergo a barium swallow

for the purpose of checking for Hiatal (sp) Hernia. I'm concerned about the

barium and have put them off until I hear from those who have more info on

this test and the heavy metals that may be ingested. Anyone have any? Thanks

in advance.

Penny Lyon

[Guest guest]

Welcome Jen:

I think you'll find the members very cooperative, supportative, and

helpful in any way possible. Marty

[Guest guest]

Welcome Jen:

I think you'll find the members very cooperative, supportative, and

helpful in any way possible. Marty

[Guest guest]

Welcome Jen:

I think you'll find the members very cooperative, supportative, and

helpful in any way possible. Marty