Re: Alkaline vs Acid foods

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At 05:14 PM 6/23/05 +0000, you wrote:

>I went snooping on the net and came across this dandy little guide of

>alkaline foods and acidic foods.

>

>Here is the link...

>

><http://www.alkaline-diet-guide.com/alkaline_food.htm>http://www.alkaline-diet-\

guide.com/alkaline_food.htm

>

>It's very interesting. I am a healthy eater, but many of the items

>that I have been trying to eat on the regular basis, ie: salmon,

>lentils, beans, oats, turkey, etc.. are indeed acid foods. Who knew!

>

>Why the heck can't our Dr's help us out on these things?

_______________

Hi Lynn,

That was a good link that you found and a good starting point. Some of

these lists actually rate foods like most alkaline, moderate,

slightly.....same for acid. So not all acid foods are as much acid.

As your list indicates, almost all fruit is alkaline.....one exception is

blueberries, but they are very good for those who have any eye

bleeds........so not bad to eat.

There are lots of little things you can do to start to shift your

diet......squeezing 1/2 lemon or lime in water is very alkaline. Any

carbonated drink is very acid and a big NO NO.

You still eat your healthy foods like salmon, etc.........but it makes up

about a 1/3 of your dinner....with 2 veggies, or salad, etc. You are not

going to eliminate the acid foods.....but in the standard Western diet they

predominate.

Generally the things that we eat cooked tend to be acid.......like we don't

eat raw meat.......but we can eat raw veggies.

Western doctors really know little to nothing about nutrition.....this is

the domain of the naturopath. In the doctor's training, I remember one

saying that they had a single one hour lecture on nutrition!!

Also a greens drink can help boost your nutrition and your alkaline

content.......GreensFirst (Doctors for Nutrition) and Acid Defense (Garden

of Life) are both good products that you just mix with water.

Or juicing greens if you have a juicer....but that is more time consuming.

I am curious about the folks who are complaining about more bone or joint

pains after being on IM for a while. I think that the first alkaline

reserve that gets tapped when the body/blood is too acidic is the calcium

in the bones........so I wonder if that is causing some bone pain. Also,

the muscle cramps.....Dr. D said it was because the calcium was not

available to the muscle (even though our blood tests show a normal calcium

level)........I wonder if this is again for the same reason, the calcium is

used to neutralize the blood??????? interesting possibilities.

My naturopath is wondering if IM in some way interferes with the absorption

of trace minerals? as this could cause the thin skin and hair changes. The

calcium/magnesium product that I use also has trace minerals (silicon,

boron and a full spectrum of ionic trace minerals)......this product is

Pioneer (brand) Vegetarian Calcium Magnesium trace mineral complex.

The best place to get any supplements is in a good health food or nutrition

store where they can tell you about the products.

Lynn, please let us know if you start to see any difference with some

shifts in your diet.

C.

[Guest guest]

Hey .......

Reading the acid/alkaline post with interest ! I will have to try

this out...........

But, I am wondering, and I know you are right,....how can lemon

juice be alkaline ?? Seems impossible? If I drank lemonade right

now, I would probably have heartburn up to my eyes! Is that because

some lemon skin get into lemonade?

Just curious......it's just so weird!

Thanks.....

>

> >I went snooping on the net and came across this dandy little

guide of

> >alkaline foods and acidic foods.

> >

> >Here is the link...

> >

> ><http://www.alkaline-diet-

guide.com/alkaline_food.htm>http://www.alkaline-diet-

guide.com/alkaline_food.htm

> >

> >It's very interesting. I am a healthy eater, but many of the

items

> >that I have been trying to eat on the regular basis, ie: salmon,

> >lentils, beans, oats, turkey, etc.. are indeed acid foods. Who

knew!

> >

> >Why the heck can't our Dr's help us out on these things?

>

>

> _______________

>

> Hi Lynn,

>

> That was a good link that you found and a good starting point.

Some of

> these lists actually rate foods like most alkaline, moderate,

> slightly.....same for acid. So not all acid foods are as much acid.

>

> As your list indicates, almost all fruit is alkaline.....one

exception is

> blueberries, but they are very good for those who have any eye

> bleeds........so not bad to eat.

> There are lots of little things you can do to start to shift your

> diet......squeezing 1/2 lemon or lime in water is very alkaline.

Any

> carbonated drink is very acid and a big NO NO.

> You still eat your healthy foods like salmon, etc.........but it

makes up

> about a 1/3 of your dinner....with 2 veggies, or salad, etc. You

are not

> going to eliminate the acid foods.....but in the standard Western

diet they

> predominate.

>

> Generally the things that we eat cooked tend to be acid.......like

we don't

> eat raw meat.......but we can eat raw veggies.

>

> Western doctors really know little to nothing about

nutrition.....this is

> the domain of the naturopath. In the doctor's training, I remember

one

> saying that they had a single one hour lecture on nutrition!!

>

> Also a greens drink can help boost your nutrition and your

alkaline

> content.......GreensFirst (Doctors for Nutrition) and Acid Defense

(Garden

> of Life) are both good products that you just mix with water.

> Or juicing greens if you have a juicer....but that is more time

consuming.

>

> I am curious about the folks who are complaining about more bone

or joint

> pains after being on IM for a while. I think that the first

alkaline

> reserve that gets tapped when the body/blood is too acidic is the

calcium

> in the bones........so I wonder if that is causing some bone pain.

Also,

> the muscle cramps.....Dr. D said it was because the calcium was

not

> available to the muscle (even though our blood tests show a normal

calcium

> level)........I wonder if this is again for the same reason, the

calcium is

> used to neutralize the blood??????? interesting possibilities.

>

> My naturopath is wondering if IM in some way interferes with the

absorption

> of trace minerals? as this could cause the thin skin and hair

changes. The

> calcium/magnesium product that I use also has trace minerals

(silicon,

> boron and a full spectrum of ionic trace minerals)......this

product is

> Pioneer (brand) Vegetarian Calcium Magnesium trace mineral complex.

> The best place to get any supplements is in a good health food or

nutrition

> store where they can tell you about the products.

>

> Lynn, please let us know if you start to see any difference with

some

> shifts in your diet.

> C.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 12:01 AM 6/24/05 +0000, you wrote:

>Hey .......

>Reading the acid/alkaline post with interest ! I will have to try

>this out...........

>But, I am wondering, and I know you are right,....how can lemon

>juice be alkaline ?? Seems impossible? If I drank lemonade right

>now, I would probably have heartburn up to my eyes! Is that because

>some lemon skin get into lemonade?

>Just curious......it's just so weird!

>

>Thanks.....

Hi ,

Whether something is acid or alkaline to your body has to do with the

residue that is left after metabolism.

About your lemonade....I wonder if it is the sugar.....it is very acidic.

This is just lemon water (no sugar) that I am talking about....if 1/2 lemon

is too sour for you, start with less.

" Most vegetables and fruits contain higher proportions of alkaline-forming

elements. They promote an alkaline environment in your body. Food that you

think of as " acidic " foods such as tomatoes, citrus fruit, and rhubarb

actually form alkaline residues because the body is able to break down

those kinds of acids into bicarbonate and water.

Foods that are high in protein including milk, meat, and even whole grains

are acid forming. Most fruits are alkaline-forming, but some like prunes,

plums and cranberries are acid-forming because our bodies can't break down

the types of acids they contain. Highly refined foods, consisting of mostly

fats, sugars, and simple starches are acidifying. "

I have a food chart in front of me with columns for:

most alkaline, more alkaline, low alkaline and lowest alkaline

then lowest acid, low acid, more acid and most acid...........

reading left to right......so the center of the chart is neutral

I will send this to someone who can scan it for the files.

The worst items in the most acid column are:

pudding/jam/jelly

soybean (doesn't mean you should never eat it, but offset it)

carob

hazelnuts, walnuts, brazil nuts

barley

beef, lobster

processed cheese, ice cream

beer

sugar, cocoa

white vinegar

Someone who can scan this list and put it in the files....e-mail me

privately and I will mail a copy to you....maybe you can do this Tracey??

Happy Good Eating everyone!

C.

[Guest guest]

> >

> >Here is the link...

> >

> ><http://www.alkaline-diet-

guide.com/alkaline_food.htm>http://www.alkaline-diet-

guide.com/alkaline_food.htm

This is great stuff! I was having a lot of mouth sores and I felt like

some kind of acid was leaching out of my mouth tissues and it burned

like crazy. I take my Gleevec at lunch and so added a glass of milk to

my meal and found that helped a lot. Now I read that milk turns acid

as it metabolizes. Oh well, it really has helped my mouth situation.

I am a big veggie eater so I think that helps, too. Thanks for sharing

this information!

Terry Nowell

[Guest guest]

At 06:55 PM 6/25/05 +0000, you wrote:

>This is great stuff! I was having a lot of mouth sores and I felt like

>some kind of acid was leaching out of my mouth tissues and it burned

>like crazy. I take my Gleevec at lunch and so added a glass of milk to

>my meal and found that helped a lot. Now I read that milk turns acid

>as it metabolizes. Oh well, it really has helped my mouth situation.

>I am a big veggie eater so I think that helps, too. Thanks for sharing

>this information!

>

>Terry Nowell

Hi Terry and others.....

one thing I wanted to clarify.............your stomach is acid, all the

gastic juices are acid..........

so it could help to take something alkaline at the meal to help

that........just like Terry drinks milk (which is only low acid).......I

often juice some veggies and that always feels very soothing to my stomach

(they are alkaline....my usual, carrot base, some celery, maybe cuke and

parsley--the healthiest part)..........

but the big issue with Gleevec and foods is not in the stomach, but what

happens when they are

metabolized and broken down....whether they add to the acidity of the body

or help to alkalize it.

I think this is where the GI upsets, muscle cramps and bone pain could be

affected.......

I hope people will experiment with some dietary changes and then report

back to the group if something is helping you.....it won't be overnight

usually, but over time.

Got to get out in the sunshine!

Maui Nanc