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Hi Lori-

You can have a complete response-(CR) with lymph nodes,

blood and spleen. The BMB will show if you have minimal

residual disease-(MRD) or not. This is a marker for how long

your remission will most likely last. Remember we are all

different though. If you have NO disease that can be

detected in your bone marrow then you should enjoy a long

remission from CLL. The key word here is " remission " . CLL

patients have always finally relapsed from past treatments,

but some are in long lasting remissions up to over 5 years.

One of the marker's for CLL is low immunoglobulin serum

levels. Treatment usually doesn't help these serums. Your

platelets are very good and I would not even think twice

about them. I feel that concern for platelets starts around

the 60 level. There are a lot of CLL'ers who live with

platelets under 100 and do just fine.

Congrats on the CR. Now, let's wait for the BMB.

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A CR requires less than 30% lymphocytes in the bone marrow

trephine and normal counts in the blood and no palpable

lymph nodes and spleen. MRD negativity on the blood is

sufficient - you don't need a BMB for that. The 1996

guidelines are probably out of date on this since we can now

differentiate those 30% lymphocytes in the bone marrow by

immunohistochemistry.

Patients who go by the 2008 Guidelines can have what is

known as a CRi which means that they have no residual

disease but their bone marrow has not fully recovered.

A BMB is necessary for a further 2008 Guideline diagnosis

which is PRn. This is when there seems to be less than 30%

involvement of the marrow, but the lymphocytes are found in

nodules. This type of finding has a similar type of outcome

as PR not CR.

Patients with CR and MRD negativity have longer remissions.

I know of some who are in remission 10 years out after FCR.

Almost without exception these have mutated IGHV genes.

Sorry it is so complicated.

Terry Hamblin MD

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Lori:

There are posts from those who know more about all this than

me. has studied the disease extensively and Doctor

Hamblin is the greatest. I don't know how many times he has

helped me in the last several years. I remember best once

when I was especially worried about a node of pretty good

size that popped up under my chin. I just knew it was the CLL

getting out of control. He said it was an infected tooth as

nodes do not come that quick. The dentist confirmed the

infected tooth.

But what I really wanted to say is in my experience a

remission is unimportant. I finished treatment in mid July

of 05. On August 15, 05, my lymph percentage was 32. On

December 2, 05, my lymph percentage was 47. I was worried

and thought I would be needing treatment again soon. The

percentage continued to climb over the years, but now six

years later, I still have not needed treatment and there is

none in my immediate future and I have no B symptoms.

My point is, don't worry about the numbers or whether you

have a complete remission. We are all different as to how we

react to things.

But someone told me the most important things a patient can

do is exercise, eat a healthy diet, and have a positive

attitude. It would be great if you are CLL free, but if not,

don't let it worry you.

Dave

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