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[Guest guest]

>>So lets not all sit here and be

hypercritical of what reality is. I know the pros and cons of vaxing,

some

of you are a little to hard core for me and that is fine, I respect your

decision whatever way you go & have tried some of your ideas. I will say

again if I think by everything I have read, every doctor, homeopath I

have

spoke with, every person friend and elder that I know about this and

still

choose to VAX then that is my choice and I hope you can respect it.<<

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Some of us ARE very decisive in our decisions. For myself, our

daughter's reaction was severe enough that if she had been allowed

another Hep b vaccine both my husband and myself believe we would have

attended a funeral. I also have seen the agony of parents when no one

will acknowledge what happened to their child. I have also seen the

bureaucrats,up close and personal, be very cold to vaccine damaged/dead

individuals/families. And then I have seen those parents, such as my

husband's cousin, who listen and then go ahead and then have the

audacity to come back and say " I wish someone had told me about the

risks. " (Duh, I only spent 3 hours on my dime talking with her about it

and raising all the exact concerns she now is experessing.) No one has a

problem with what someone decides. I think people feel frustrated

because you ask our opinion then tell us the answer is essentially not

good enough for you. It feels like you are asking for us to make the

decision for you and I am personally concerned that if that happens and

your child ends up with the disease then you would not take

responsibiility for your decision but would rather try to blame it on

one of us. The fact is that the best anyone can do is get informed.

After that it is each individual's decision. We are here to provide

information/ideas/support/things to consider but we can't be your parent

and make the decision for you. Going back and forth over and over and

reasking essentially the same questions and then appearing to get upset

with our responses doesn't solve the decision you have to make. YOU

need to make the decision. Several of us on the list are working to

change laws to allow our most basic human right which is informed

consent (meaning we can refuse if we want). There is only so much we

can offer in the form of support. After a point it doesn't matter what

support there is it comes back to the fact that you need to make a

decision. This is a decision that you need to make. Whatever you

decide is up to you. Personally, I also would not worry whether any of

us 'respects' you. I am not in this for someone respecting me. I am in

this to do the best for my child. If someone doesn't respect me that is

their problem. After all, none of us on the list lives with the

consequence first hand. Just as the doctors will not live with the

consequences. If you don't vaccinate and end up with the disease or

health problems or you vaccinate and still get the disease or end up

with a reaction...it still comes back to you. I think more people are

upset with the reactions because the gov't and health officials will

acknowledge a disease but they look through a eye patch and tell vaccine

damaged/dead people nothing is happening and the vaccines are safe.

I wish you luck with your decision. I know I struggled for over a year

in a half trying to decide. I also started out with a list of

questions. As new questions arose I added those to the list. I looked

at all sources, reliability, lack of conflict of interest (ie. who had

no incentive for financial gain) and then eventually made up my mind.

Am I 100% confident with my decision? Yes. If new information becomes

available or major changes occur with vaccines would I change my mind?

Possibly. For now though, I am 100% confident with our decision. I

know how the vaccines work, the diseases are spread, yada, yada, yada.

Do I continue to stay informed? Definately. Will I ever trust a doctor

without seeing journal documentations? No.

Good luck.

in CT

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[Guest guest]

,

While I appreciate your response, you should know the same question was

being asked because people were replying to everything but my question.

Personally I could care less who on this list respects me, but I do expect a

mutual respect in sharing ideas & conversation. I was under the assumption

it was put here as a supportive sounding board, apparently I am wrong. If

you are bothered by me asking the same question over and ever again, which

you feel I am, then simply don't reply. The same as I do not when a subject

either bothers me or I have no experience on the subject.

Finally I am sorry for any pain your experience has caused your family. As I

have stated , there are no firm decisions made, for now I will use nosodes.

I am confused and I am sorry my confusion irritates some.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

I don't think you should have to feel the need to apologise for being

confused. I struggle daily with my decision not to vaccinate my 2

daughters. That's why I keep trudging through all these posts and off

topics because it does reaffirm my decision. Hang in there.

[Guest guest]

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My frustration is in the simple fact that, I am repeating myself , over and

over. And your response is a perfect example of why I am repeating myself. I

am not considering vaxing myself. If you would have read one of my replies

to another person who thought the same thing you apparently do you would

know this. I don't mean to sound mean but I am tired of explaining why I am

redundant. As I am sure you are tired of responding, so let's move on after

this post please.

Everyone's opinion and experience matters greatly to me, just because I am

not sold on a person who got measles 10 yrs ago and his/her experience

wasn't life threatening doesn't mean that the diseases are mutating and

becoming stronger, which has been discussed on this board.

I agree with you about the fudge factor, I am aware of what is happening

with the numbers this is why I always chime in on personal experiences and

want to know more, and more and more. You can read all you want about

anything but experience is where it is at for me. There is nothing to dig

for, all the sites are redundant the inserts are redundant and medicine

constantly changing its mind about what is good and bad is redundant. I try

to pay attention to what is out there now and to stay on my toes about

anything fresh that comes along.

I quit giving my son soy because of the information passed on, on this

board. The weekly newsletters are my favorite.

Thanks again,

[Guest guest]

,

Your confusion does not irritate me. I have been there. But, taking your

frustration out on those of us when we offer an

answer/opinion/experience/article that does not answer directly your

question is what irritates me. There is no perfect answer. To be honest

ALL frustration should be directed at the FDA,CDC and medical profession

for NOT being scientific but rather being interested in $$ and pursuing

their own agenda.

In my opinion, it does not appear that you really understand that the

CDC has reclassified/redefined reactions, diseases and epidemics. I know

for sure this happened with polio. I can't check the other diseases

because I don't have my books because I loaned them to a relative. If

you did understand reclassifying/redefining then you would realize that

asking for numbers of how many people had measles and how many were

vaccinated, etc. becomes obsolete because they can't tell you because

they changed definitions,etc once vaccines were introduced. So, in

essence your asking questions that no one has true answers to because

OUR GOVERNMENT decided to compare apples to oranges instead of apples to

apples.

This board IS a supportive sounding board but in my opinion (and that is

all that it is because I am not the narrator) it is not meant to keep

asking the same question over and over. If we are not aswering it

satisfactorily for you then use the board as a support group and go and

search deeper for the specific question. As far as not replying, I do

skip a lot of msg. because while most msg. contain some useful info.

there is a lot of idle chit-chat and duplicate msg. when one is on

multiple vaccine boards. For the most part I have not replied to your

posts but it appears to me (and I may be way off base)that people feel

frustrated because they offer you their opinion, experience, facts, etc

and then they get told it is not good enough or that they are not

answering your question.

Personally, if I had autoimmune problems, which if I remember right you

had expressed at one time you have, I would not inject ingredients

(forget about the antigen itself) such as mercury, aluminum, other

animal dna, etc. into my body. I would focus on maintaining a strong

immune system instead of trying to shortcut the system. Of course, I am

not a doctor but then again...my child is not in a coffin because I

listened to my mother's intuition instead of my doctor's advice (which I

have since proven the doc was wrong several times over.).

I don't know if you believe in God but maybe you may want to ask for

some spiritual guidance. Obviously, these decisions are much greater

then us. I know for myself there were many nights that first year that

I prayed that I would get a 'sign' to know what to do that would be best

for our daughter.

Tom and Muckerheide wrote:

>

> ,

>

> While I appreciate your response, you should know the same question was

> being asked because people were replying to everything but my question.

> Personally I could care less who on this list respects me, but I do expect a

> mutual respect in sharing ideas & conversation. I was under the assumption

> it was put here as a supportive sounding board, apparently I am wrong. If

> you are bothered by me asking the same question over and ever again, which

> you feel I am, then simply don't reply. The same as I do not when a subject

> either bothers me or I have no experience on the subject.

>

> Finally I am sorry for any pain your experience has caused your family. As I

> have stated , there are no firm decisions made, for now I will use nosodes.

> I am confused and I am sorry my confusion irritates some.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

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