Re: Re:never give up on family & friends ....

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Lillian, in theory, I agree with you. In practice, I do not. Daycare centers, in

general,

are an artificial breeding ground for super germs. For some reason parents no

longer keep

sick kids home - they pump them full of antibiotics and send them off to

daycare.

I'm not one to get nuts over germs, I don't wash my kids toys etc. when they

fall on the

floor or anything. But, I don't think exposing them to the

antibiotic-resistant-ever-mutating daycare germs is in their best interest.

S.

lilian holm-drumgole wrote:

>

> Lynne- being exposed to micro-organisms and having your body fight them does

> not lead to being sick, or constitutionally weaker. There is actually

> evidence of the opposite.

> I think what you're experiencing is a knee-jerk reaction to daycare (since

> most daycare in the US seems to be substandard, daycare is perceived as

> " bad " in general), or maybe you're a stay-at-home mom feeling some (maybe

> not conscious)need to justify your choice.

> None of the above is any justification to spread the perception among

> parents that daycare is something that endangers the child physically (or

> emotionally.)

> It is, in my opinion, a normal, even desired thing to be among your species

> and to be exposed to micro-organisms prevalent in that population. You do

> not have to hide in your home, afraid of germs!!

>

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At 08:50 AM 11/29/00 -0800, you wrote:

>Almost every kid I know who is in daycare is sick all the time, although

>these are more

>often than not kids who are vaccinated, put on antibiotics all the time,

>and often

>haven't been breastfed for very long. Especially in the the US where

>women have to go

>back to work sooner, I'm sure less babies are breastfed, combine that wth

>vaccines and

>maybe poor nutrition/health in general and you get lots of sick

>kids. Sort of like the

I think its a sad state of affairs when the US has to make a national goal

of raising the number babies leaving the hospital breastfed, still

breastfed at 2 and 6 months.

My midwife has breastfeeding as a topic at every pre-natal visit. What's

funny is I usually nurse nn at least once during those visits (bored

child in a doctor's office), so she's always like " Well, you're

breastfeeding. I don't think we need to talk about that. " I'm glad she

works so hard to get her patients to breastfeed. The doctor I had

previously encouraged me to put my daughter on formula so I could go back

on the pill (which I wasn't going to do either one -- give formular or go

on the pill.) Then my ped was surprised and congratulatory when we were

still nursing at 2 months! Although, he minimized it by saying since I was

staying home it was so much easier.

Anyway, those are my randome thoughts.

Adrienne

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Almost every kid I know who is in daycare is sick all the time, although these

are more

often than not kids who are vaccinated, put on antibiotics all the time, and

often

haven't been breastfed for very long. Especially in the the US where women have

to go

back to work sooner, I'm sure less babies are breastfed, combine that wth

vaccines and

maybe poor nutrition/health in general and you get lots of sick kids. Sort of

like the

herd effect in reverse, I guess. I like to believe that when and if my children

go to

daycare (not at least until they are 2 and 3 1/2 years old when I start school

full time)

they would be healthier than others b/c they aren't vaccinated, eat very well,

and have

breastfed for a long time.

lilian holm-drumgole wrote:

> Lynne B.writes, on the topic of the immune system, that she thinks taking

> your child to daycare where there are " clumps of sick kids " is bad, and

> leads to your child being constantly sick.

> Lynne- being exposed to micro-organisms and having your body fight them does

> not lead to being sick, or constitutionally weaker. There is actually

> evidence of the opposite.

> I think what you're experiencing is a knee-jerk reaction to daycare (since

> most daycare in the US seems to be substandard, daycare is perceived as

> " bad " in general), or maybe you're a stay-at-home mom feeling some (maybe

> not conscious)need to justify your choice.

> None of the above is any justification to spread the perception among

> parents that daycare is something that endangers the child physically (or

> emotionally.)

> It is, in my opinion, a normal, even desired thing to be among your species

> and to be exposed to micro-organisms prevalent in that population. You do

> not have to hide in your home, afraid of germs!!

>

> Since I assume there are a lot of parents of young children on this list,

> and since mental and physical health cannot be treated as a separate

> issue,allow me to elaborate on the subject of daycare a little bit.

> I think daycare in general has many advantages. I would not take my children

> to daycare befor they're at least 1 year old. Up until that point I think

> children need close, constant physical and emotional contact with the

> mother.

> As babies become toddlers, however, the situation changes. Being at home

> with a parent and maybe a sibling, usually spending most of the 24 hours of

> the day in the same house is a little understimulating. I think (from an

> evolutionary perspective, if you will) children are meant to run around with

> their friends, with easy access to their parents, who would be working

> nearby.

> Now most of us don't live in a setting where this would be possible, so

> daycare (I prefer a larger center, not a non-educated woman taking care of

> children in her home because she isn't qualified for any job outside her

> home).

> At a *good* daycare center a child is in a setting that is very age

> -appropriate, spending his/her time running around, playing with friends.

> It is unfortunate that most children end up spending *too* many hours in

> daycare, and return home tired.

> I think that unless you have very many children and live in a setting where

> the children can run around freely, indoors and outdoors, daycare is

> actually preferable to the option of the child just staying at home.

> And when they return home with that cold - rest easy, it's just their immune

> system working!

>

> Lilian

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Shelby wrote:

>

> I'm not one to get nuts over germs, I don't wash my kids toys etc. when they

fall on the

> floor or anything. But, I don't think exposing them to the

> antibiotic-resistant-ever-mutating daycare germs is in their best interest.

And I've heard that a lot of daycares use those antibacterial soaps/sprays/etc

to try to keep

everything " sterile " - which would cause more antibiotic resistance (on top of

the

antibiotic-overloaded kids).

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