RE: First Dr. visit since jumping sides!

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In a message dated 11/28/00 1:01:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,

marmeesez@... writes:

<< do I

try to explain these reservations and give a bland, but maybe saner

sounding " we have decided to delay vaccinations for now... " and

leave it at that? >>

That is what I plan to say, or something like that. =) Good luck and PLEASE

update us on how it all goes!

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YOu will be thankful to know that California is one of the best states to

live in, all three exemptions are available and easy to get. Stay strong at

the dr.s office and let us know how it goes!

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First Dr. visit since jumping sides!

Hi all,

Tomorrow will be our first Dr. visit since I began researching

vaccines (about 2 months ago) and we decided to no longer vaccinate.

I am a little nervous, this will be a well-check for my 5 1/2 yr old

(who is up to-date except for the hep.B. which we will not be getting-

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In a message dated 11/28/00 8:55:48 AM Central Standard Time,

lashannasmall@... writes:

<< Question? Does anyone know if in California we have a philosophical

>exemption, or just religious? >>

Yes, California has a philosophical question. Judging from comments from my

husband's family who live in San Diego, this is common, so you shouldn't have

a problem saying " we have decided to delay until we have more information " or

something to that effect, or finding a physician who is sympathetic. As far

as taking the religious exemption - no need to. Besides, when they say

" religious " exemption they are usually speaking of specific faiths who have

written statements regarding vaccination. If yours does not, then you are

walking a fine line imo. The bible is up for interpretation, and just

because you have read a passage a certain way, doesn't mean anyone else will

agree with you. I don't necessarily agree with using arguments or defenses,

in lieu of telling the truth, except in extreme cases where there is a fear

of bodily injury. If your problems with the vaccines are not religious (you

said they were more scientific) then you should take the philosphical

exemption which calls into question the safety and efficacy of the

procedures, not whether it will keep you from reaching your final

destination. Anything you do will be absorbed by your children, and starting

off on a falsehood is not a good plan, imo, especially when a viable

alternative (and more fitting one) is available.

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Well, You said that you are very Christian. Vaccinations is against the

bible. If you go to www.tetrahedron.org there is an exemption form full

of bible verses. Second of all, vaccinations are not mandatory, so it has

nothing to do with your doctor; therefore there is nothing to discuss. Just

tell them that you do not vaccinate and leave it at that. Do not go in to

detail. That is a mistake. And, If I were you, I would just put her well

visit off and go to the other ped. And last, does she really need a well

visit period?

>From: " Rehmann " <marmeesez@...>

>Reply-Vaccinationsegroups

>Vaccinationsegroups

>Subject: First Dr. visit since jumping sides!

>Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 05:57:39 -0000

>

>Hi all,

>

>Tomorrow will be our first Dr. visit since I began researching

>vaccines (about 2 months ago) and we decided to no longer vaccinate.

>I am a little nervous, this will be a well-check for my 5 1/2 yr old

>(who is up to-date except for the hep.B. which we will not be getting-

> I know he is going to ask about this) and for my 12month old, who

>was up to-date untill 9 months. My questions for you veterans; do I

>try to explain why, or just state religious reasons ( which I don't

>feel really comfortable with, it has more to do with medical

>questions, questions of lack of studies, finding reports of too many

>bad reactions, fears of autism, the discovery that autism children

>often have family histories of autioimune disorders-our does...) do I

>try to explain these reservations and give a bland, but maybe saner

>sounding " we have decided to delay vaccinations for now... " and

>leave it at that? we will be returning to our old pediatrician in

>April when we get new insurance, so do I just put it off till then?

>or do I tell him what I really think?

>

>Question? Does anyone know if in California we have a philosophical

>exemption, or just religious? my children are home schooled, do I

>need to give any reason to a dr.?

>We are very Christian, but besides feeling very strongly that we are

>stewards over our children who are blessing from God, and that we

>have to be wise stewards, our religion doesn't cover vaccines, that

>is why I feel uncomfortable using that as a reason...but is it just

>safer to say? I really don't want to be treated as a weirdo

>religious zealout though.....

>

>any thoughts? I was going to take a copy of a report of the hep. B

>hearings to give hime if he really objects, and a copy of the press

>release of the physicians group that called for a halt on all

>mandatory vaccines untill more studies are done.

>

>thanks for all the help,

>

>mom of Larissa Noell (5 1/2) na (4) and Rand

>(12 months)

>

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At 05:57 AM 11/28/2000 -0000, you wrote:

>Hi all,

>

>Tomorrow will be our first Dr. visit since I began researching

>vaccines (about 2 months ago) and we decided to no longer vaccinate.

>I am a little nervous, this will be a well-check for my 5 1/2 yr old

>(who is up to-date except for the hep.B. which we will not be getting-

> I know he is going to ask about this) and for my 12month old, who

>was up to-date untill 9 months. My questions for you veterans; do I

>try to explain why, or just state religious reasons ( which I don't

>feel really comfortable with, it has more to do with medical

>questions, questions of lack of studies, finding reports of too many

>bad reactions, fears of autism, the discovery that autism children

>often have family histories of autioimune disorders-our does...) do I

>try to explain these reservations and give a bland, but maybe saner

>sounding " we have decided to delay vaccinations for now... " and

>leave it at that? we will be returning to our old pediatrician in

>April when we get new insurance, so do I just put it off till then?

>or do I tell him what I really think?

The best is to not try to explain anything. Just say you are choosing not

to at this time or some such thing. Don't state any reason. Don't try to

convince the doctor or educate them. Just be quiet and clear and don't

make a big deal about it and often it will slide right past. If he does

push you just repeat your mantra.

>

>Question? Does anyone know if in California we have a philosophical

>exemption, or just religious? my children are home schooled, do I

>need to give any reason to a dr.?

Philosophical - if you ever do register for school at some point you get a

form to fill in with vax's. You just sign the back where it says you

refuse due to 'whatever' reasons - not sure what the form says. You don't

have to explain you got some and now aren't - just sign the back of the

form. There are no questions asked - if there are they are out of line. I

will send you the California law and you may just want to have it printed

out. You need no religious explanation. And in California there is NO law

saying you have to vaccinate your babies - it is only around school.

>

>any thoughts? I was going to take a copy of a report of the hep. B

>hearings to give hime if he really objects, and a copy of the press

>release of the physicians group that called for a halt on all

>mandatory vaccines untill more studies are done.

Don't bother - believe me! You may want to send anonymously to educate him

(if he would ever read it). But don't put yourself in that position.

Hoping all will go smoothly. Remember you are the mom and you are

employing him. Think of him like the plumber! Would you ever do what the

plumber wanted you too if you didn't agree?

Sheri

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,

At our first visit after fully changing from all vacs to no vacs (all vax

at 6 months, selective at 12 months, and none at 15 months), we just said

we are not going to vaccinate at this time. They do have troubles

understanding why someone would vaccinate and then stop. I guess they

figure those who vaccinate are educated about them and those who don't

aren't. I believe it is the other way around. Anyway, they still want to

promote vaccinations. Unless you want to go through a huge rigamorall

several times, I'd just continue to say we still are not

vaccinating. Someone else on this list once suggested saying that you

aren't vaccinating at this time and would rather not discuss it until you

bring up the subject. Then you just never bring it up.

HTH

Adrienne

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In a message dated 11/28/00 4:41:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Vaccinationsegroups writes:

<< Tomorrow will be our first Dr. visit since I began researching

vaccines (about 2 months ago) and we decided to no longer vaccinate.

I am a little nervous, this will be a well-check for my 5 1/2 yr old

(who is up to-date except for the hep.B. which we will not be getting-

I know he is going to ask about this) and for my 12month old, who

was up to-date untill 9 months. My questions for you veterans; do I

try to explain why, or just state religious reasons ( which I don't

feel really comfortable with, it has more to do with medical

questions, questions of lack of studies, finding reports of too many

bad reactions, fears of autism, the discovery that autism children

often have family histories of autioimune disorders-our does...) do I

try to explain these reservations and give a bland, but maybe saner

sounding " we have decided to delay vaccinations for now... " and

leave it at that? we will be returning to our old pediatrician in

April when we get new insurance, so do I just put it off till then?

or do I tell him what I really think? >>

Actually, I just avoid all of this by not taking my kids to well

baby visits. The only reason to go is to get shots and since

we don't get shots, there's not reason to go. I know that it's

required to have a check-up before school starts, so I just

told the doctor,,,we are here for a checkup, not shots, and

just kept repeating myself. LOL!!

<< Question? Does anyone know if in California we have a philosophical

exemption, or just religious? my children are home schooled, do I

need to give any reason to a dr.? >>

If your kids are homeschooled, you don't even need the well kid

checkups at all.

<< We are very Christian, but besides feeling very strongly that we are

stewards over our children who are blessing from God, and that we

have to be wise stewards, our religion doesn't cover vaccines, that

is why I feel uncomfortable using that as a reason...but is it just

safer to say? I really don't want to be treated as a weirdo

religious zealout though.....>>

I'm assuming you prayed a lot to God about this decision right?

Well, if you did that and you got your answer through prayer and

study,,,,then darn it, it is a VALID RELIGIOUS reason! It's your

personal religious belief between you and God. Also, when you

choose a religious exemption, there is NOWHERE On that form

that says you have to say what your religion is, NOR are they

even allowed to ask.

<< any thoughts? I was going to take a copy of a report of the hep. B

hearings to give hime if he really objects, and a copy of the press

release of the physicians group that called for a halt on all

mandatory vaccines untill more studies are done. >>

You really don't even have to do this. He is not God, he is not

your boss, he is your doctor and you PAY HIM for his services.

If you don't want something, you don't have to have it PERIOD.

You don't need to back it up, use excuses or anything, just say

NO and that's that. IF he won't accept it, fire him and get a new

doctor. That's what I did.

Kim :-)

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