Re: Re: Claim as a dependent

[Guest guest]

Makes sense to me...I will share this with my husband.

Thanks.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Claim as a dependent

Ellen, it's a very confusing topic. In the US, there must be

millions of households where adult children are paying their parents

room and board and the parents do not claim it as 'income' (my

parents never did). There are also thousands of unmarried couples,

who share the same residence, one pays the other rent, and it's not

claimed as income. It is considered sharing expenses (according to

the IRS agent). It would be different if one was running a 'boarding

house' or renting a room to someone. Also, since our children have

special needs they can always be considered a dependent child, no

matter what their age is. All one needs to do is prove that they

provide more than 50% of the support. This is quite easy to do. The

dependent child's portion of the household expenses would be an equal

percentage and you would use the fair market rental value of your

residence to base their 'rent'. For example:

Let's assume rent charged is $250 a month. The parent does not

charge the child for transportation expenses anywhere. Family of

four, so each person's share is 25%

Fair market rental of home is $1000 a month $250

Food and incidentals - 200 a month, 50

Electricity - 100 a month 25

Natural gas - 100 a month 25

Cable TV - 60 a month 15

Garbage pickup - 30 a month 7.50

Water and sewer - 100 a month 25

Telephone - 60 a month 15

Go out to restaurants (parents always treat) 50 (200 a month)

Gasoline - 2 cars $200 a month 50

Gifts from the family $100 a month 25

I'm already at $537.50 a month. In this example the parents are

providing more than 50% of support, and may claim the special needs

adult child as a dependent.

> >

> > >

> > > This is how me and my accountant handle our child's SSI

money.

> She

> > > pays us

> > > $350/month for room and board. We do not claim her on our tax

> form as

> > > a

> > > dependent. By doing so they may look as if you are supporting

> your

> > > child.

> > > Since you are not supporting your child and they are self

> supporting

> > > your

> > > income should not entry into the picture.

> > >

> > > Others may handle this differently.

> > >

> > > TED

> > >

> > > --

> > > McCannon Enterprises

> > > 45W134 Rd.

> > > Big Rock, IL 60511

> > > 630-556-3100

> > > 630-556-4FAX(4329)

> > >

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I paid about $20 back in the late 70's, and my mother told me that's what she

paid her mother some 20-25 years before, so she felt no guilt about charging me

that.

It probably didn't even cover the food expense for me.

Are parents still doing it? If not, they should. We've have fewer 35-year-old

bums still living with mom and not working!

-Gail

sunshinebeaches3@... wrote:

well, I used to pay my mom $30.00/week back in the day for room and board and I

doubt they reported it, we're talking back in 1976 when I was bringing home

about $50.00/week.?

Did anyone else have to pay room and board?? Do parents do that now?? Kids are

so spoiled, or is it just my opinion? :-)? I had a part-time job at age 15 and

had to pay all of my own gas and fun money.

H.

Re: Claim as a dependent

I called the IRS and the agent who I spoke with told me that the rent

was not income. It's their portion of living expenses.

>

> >

> > This is how me and my accountant handle our child's SSI money.

She

> > pays us

> > $350/month for room and board. We do not claim her on our tax

form as

> > a

> > dependent. By doing so they may look as if you are supporting

your

> > child.

> > Since you are not supporting your child and they are self

supporting

> > your

> > income should not entry into the picture.

> >

> > Others may handle this differently.

> >

> > TED

> >

> > --

> > McCannon Enterprises

> > 45W134 Rd.

> > Big Rock, IL 60511

> > 630-556-3100

> > 630-556-4FAX(4329)

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

All my dad did was say " if you work, you will pay me R & B, but if you go to

school full time, it will be waived until graduation " . Needless to say he and I

both wanted me to go to college and receive an education. Glad he was so smart!

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " Halina Gangi " <halina936@...>

Here's a new twist... I wanted to pay my parents for R & B but they

wouldn't let me. They said they wanted me to save my money... which I

did. But, I still think I would have benefited from paying them R & B.

I also helped cook, clean the house, pulled weeds, whatever they

needed done.

I also know that some of my friends paid R & B but, their parents put

that money in a separate account and then gave the money back to them

when they went out on their own.

If our children are to gain any life skills then it all has to start

in the home. Even if they don't pay R & B in cash... the parents should

require involvement in home upkeep i.e. cutting grass etc. and

participation in everyday chores i.e. setting the table etc.

Parents want their children to have a better life... sometimes it gets

misguided... by giving their children too much and making their life

too easy. Now we're reaping the rewards of those self-centered unhappy

young adults.

> >

> > >

> > > This is how me and my accountant handle our child's SSI money.

> She

> > > pays us

> > > $350/month for room and board. We do not claim her on our tax

> form as

> > > a

> > > dependent. By doing so they may look as if you are supporting

> your

> > > child.

> > > Since you are not supporting your child and they are self

> supporting

> > > your

> > > income should not entry into the picture.

> > >

> > > Others may handle this differently.

> > >

> > > TED

> > >

> > > --

> > > McCannon Enterprises

> > > 45W134 Rd.

> > > Big Rock, IL 60511

> > > 630-556-3100

> > > 630-556-4FAX(4329)

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Andy has had chores (so did my NT daughter) from about the age of 4 or 5. My

friends are all so jealous because Andy does so much around the house,

putting away clean dishes, hanging and taking down laundry, making his bed up

clean etc... Helping around the house is one of the few things he loves to

do!!!

Jan

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[Guest guest]

In 1976 when I was 18 I paid $25.00 a week for room & Board,?but I was alworking

full time for about $3.00 an hour at a jewlery factory. I also bought my own

car, (My parents laughed hysterically when I asked them to help buy me one.)

paid my own gas, insurance and all my own doctors bills etc...

My daugher has been pretty much paying all of her own bills (including Dr

coprescriptions) since age 16 AND she pays?for all of her college (although my

Dad does help her with the expenses of some of her art supplies.)

This year we have taken on helping her much more since she was diagnosed with

Fibromyalgia and now cannot work and go to school at the time. She spends about

60 hours a week at school and just cannot add another 20 hours of work feeling

as lousy as she does.

So while my daughter and ?I agree with you that most kids are spoiled not all

are ; )

Jan

Jan Randall

Parent Resource Specialist

Community Autism Resources

Check our web site:

www.community-autism-resources.org

Re: Claim as a dependent

I called the IRS and the agent who I spoke with told me that the rent

was not income. It's their portion of living expenses.

>

> >

> > This is how me and my accountant handle our child's SSI money.

She

> > pays us

> > $350/month for room and board. We do not claim her on our tax

form as

> > a

> > dependent. By doing so they may look as if you are supporting

your

> > child.

> > Since you are not supporting your child and they are self

supporting

> > your

> > income should not entry into the picture.

> >

> > Others may handle this differently.

> >

> > TED

> >

> > --

> > McCannon Enterprises

> > 45W134 Rd.

> > Big Rock, IL 60511

> > 630-556-3100

> > 630-556-4FAX(4329)

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

thanks I'mm passing it along to my DH

Jan Randall

Parent Resource Specialist

Community Autism Resources

Check our web site:

www.community-autism-resources.org

Re: Claim as a dependent

Jan, I emailed you the link. You don't need to register unless you

wish to ask them questions.

>

> WOuld it be a problem for you to e-mail the article to me? I don't

want to

> sign up for another website I'll probably never use.

> My husband does the taxes and is STUBBORN about learning new

things. I have

> a feeling he hasn't got a clue about what he is doing with ,

our taxes

> and the whole SSI thing.

> THANKS

>

> Jan

>

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[Guest guest]

I started work at 16 and had to pay gas and insurance. It was negociated by

the mpg and the speedometer usage. My mom would trudge out in slippers and

her overcoat to verify what I wrote down for mileage. Later in my life she

said 'someday I will tell you the things I know that you don't think I know'

....I have lived in fear ever since.

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/2/2008 6:56:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

KlippertC@... writes:

Later in my life she

said 'someday I will tell you the things I know that you don't think I know'

....I have lived in fear ever since.

LOL! That is too funny! My daughter could never figure out how I knew all of

the things she was contemplating even before she did them. I was such a hell

raiser teen that I knew all the tricks, so she couldn't pull them!

Jan

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[Guest guest]

I am so sorry that I never established " regular " chores for our older son...I

think he would have benefitted. That is something I would now recommend all

parents start very early on...I learned from my mistake and started Noah, our

son with autism, doing household chores some years ago and he really enjoys

doing them. He is so proud of his participation in household tasks and I am so

grateful for the help!

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Claim as a dependent

Here's a new twist... I wanted to pay my parents for R & B but they

wouldn't let me. They said they wanted me to save my money... which I

did. But, I still think I would have benefited from paying them R & B.

I also helped cook, clean the house, pulled weeds, whatever they

needed done.

I also know that some of my friends paid R & B but, their parents put

that money in a separate account and then gave the money back to them

when they went out on their own.

If our children are to gain any life skills then it all has to start

in the home. Even if they don't pay R & B in cash... the parents should

require involvement in home upkeep i.e. cutting grass etc. and

participation in everyday chores i.e. setting the table etc.

Parents want their children to have a better life... sometimes it gets

misguided... by giving their children too much and making their life

too easy. Now we're reaping the rewards of those self-centered unhappy

young adults.

> >

> > >

> > > This is how me and my accountant handle our child's SSI money.

> She

> > > pays us

> > > $350/month for room and board. We do not claim her on our tax

> form as

> > > a

> > > dependent. By doing so they may look as if you are supporting

> your

> > > child.

> > > Since you are not supporting your child and they are self

> supporting

> > > your

> > > income should not entry into the picture.

> > >

> > > Others may handle this differently.

> > >

> > > TED

> > >

> > > --

> > > McCannon Enterprises

> > > 45W134 Rd.

> > > Big Rock, IL 60511

> > > 630-556-3100

> > > 630-556-4FAX(4329)

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jan, please tell your daughter that I would never want to imply that all?

are :-) sounds like she's a very hard worker for sure.? What is she going to

school for? 60 hours is a lot of time, poor thing!!? I hope she's feeling

better, I have suffered symptoms of fibromyalgia myself and it's horrible.

H.

Re: Claim as a dependent

I called the IRS and the agent who I spoke with told me that the rent

was not income. It's their portion of living expenses.

>

> >

> > This is how me and my accountant handle our child's SSI money.

She

> > pays us

> > $350/month for room and board. We do not claim her on our tax

form as

> > a

> > dependent. By doing so they may look as if you are supporting

your

> > child.

> > Since you are not supporting your child and they are self

supporting

> > your

> > income should not entry into the picture.

> >

> > Others may handle this differently.

> >

> > TED

> >

> > --

> > McCannon Enterprises

> > 45W134 Rd.

> > Big Rock, IL 60511

> > 630-556-3100

> > 630-556-4FAX(4329)

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

One of my favorite chore stories for (HFA) is the first time I asked him to

put the dishes away from the dishwasher, he did just what I told him, he put the

" dishes " away, this didn't include the glasses, silverware, pots/pans, etc. I

still have to laugh when I think about that.

H.

Re: Re: Claim as a dependent

Andy has had chores (so did my NT daughter) from about the age of 4 or 5. My

friends are all so jealous because Andy does so much around the house,

putting away clean dishes, hanging and taking down laundry, making his bed up

clean etc... Helping around the house is one of the few things he loves to

do!!!

Jan

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[Guest guest]

my dad checked mileage too since I was able to use their car.? I paid my own

insurance, although he let me pay it off over time, he kept a running tab, I'd

just get the 6 months paid off and then the next bill would come.....wow the

days :-)

Mom's know everything, right??

PS:? This is a fun thread, i've kind of needed this today!

Re: Re: Claim as a dependent

I started work at 16 and had to pay gas and insurance. It was negociated by

the mpg and the speedometer usage. My mom would trudge out in slippers and

her overcoat to verify what I wrote down for mileage. Later in my life she

said 'someday I will tell you the things I know that you don't think I know'

....I have lived in fear ever since.

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[Guest guest]

Sounds like my son, Noah! Hey! Maybe that accounts for the " special " in

special needs

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Re: Claim as a dependent

Andy has had chores (so did my NT daughter) from about the age of 4 or 5. My

friends are all so jealous because Andy does so much around the house,

putting away clean dishes, hanging and taking down laundry, making his bed up

clean etc... Helping around the house is one of the few things he loves to

do!!!

Jan

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[Guest guest]

VERY funny...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Re: Claim as a dependent

Andy has had chores (so did my NT daughter) from about the age of 4 or 5. My

friends are all so jealous because Andy does so much around the house,

putting away clean dishes, hanging and taking down laundry, making his bed up

clean etc... Helping around the house is one of the few things he loves to

do!!!

Jan

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[Guest guest]

This really made me laugh! It sounds just like my mother!!! It also sounds a

little like me, too...that is VERY scary!

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Re: Claim as a dependent

I started work at 16 and had to pay gas and insurance. It was negociated by

the mpg and the speedometer usage. My mom would trudge out in slippers and

her overcoat to verify what I wrote down for mileage. Later in my life she

said 'someday I will tell you the things I know that you don't think I know'

...I have lived in fear ever since.

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