Re: West Nile Virus - more from Jim West

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" j w " <harpub@...>

More from Jim West on West Nile Virus...

The big argument against HIV and WNV is that it isn't really there in a

tangible, quantitative form. That is there is no quantitative data for

either. Then can identify unique genomes, and therefore categorize the

ultramicroscopic genetic structure that they find in some ill people as a

'virus', but they can't find it in quantity, and according to

www.duesberg.com there has to be a quantity, because a virus is pathological

as a physical reality that interacts with cells to cause their dysfunction.

More directly to your question: The process of identifying a virus is to

take a patient's tissue sample, filter out bacteria, place the remaining

liquid on a sensitive culture media such as by injection into a mouse's

brain, and wait. If the liquid cultures, i.e., grows, then it is assumed

that a virus is present. But it could and likely is a group of viruses, and

or prions, and unknowns. The liquid is then tested with PCR testing which

trys to match the genomic structures in the cultured liquid with known

suspect genomic structures (a suspected virus, like WNV). The process

multiplies the suspected genome millions of times, in order to get a

tangible quantity that can be tested.

So the test (PCR) is a specific test for a specific virus structure. If it

is positive then it proves that the patient has WNV structures in his

tissue. Proving causality is another thing. Proving that the suspected virus

is THE virus, and the ONLY virus, and the ONLY predatory microbe, and that

all this was not actually an environmental, toxicological phenomena (the

illness), is ignored, and avoided.

Ask them what is the quantitative threshold for the virus' presence, before

it becomes pathological in the tissue, and what is the quantity of the virus

in the tissue that is diseased. I get 'end of conversation'.

These things are usual story with virus disease. To prove this thesis, get

into a friendly discussing with a virologist by email. He'll love to tell

you the usual things, how he did it, how it tested positive, how nasty the

virus is, etc., but then ask him if anyone has ruled out cause by drugs,

chemotherapy, pollution, etc., and he will go silent. Cold shoulder. My

experience. Ask him how he knows the virus is THE virus and he will say

because the epidemiologist told him to test for the virus, and the

epidemiologist is another expert, who bases his judgement on symptoms, and

in the case of the WNV and AIDS, the symtoms are vague and highly varied

(like polio). But each will point to the other for verification.

It is well documented that viruses can be tissue reactions to stressors like

pollution, chemotherapy, radiation, social stress. But this side of the coin

is missing from orthodoxy.

You can search for keywords like CDC, West Nile virus, and you'll find the

virology and email addresses. Try for yourself. Maybe it's just me.

-Jim West

>From: Sheri Nakken <snakken@...>

> " j w " <harpub@...>

>Subject: Re: West Nile Virus - what am I missing here??????

>Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:40:46 -0700

>

>At 02:31 AM 09/27/2000 GMT, you wrote:

> >I think that the game is similar to HIV=AIDS, the WNV is not found

> >quantitatively, from what I've read. They claim isolation, but it not a

>pure

> >culture, so they can't really prove they have WNV and not something else,

> >just like the HIV morass.

>

>Explain this to me more.

>

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