Guest guest Posted December 27, 2000 Report Share Posted December 27, 2000 For us, we have only recently made serious diet changes. So, I'm not as strict about the occasional sweet or slip backwards. I do think, though, that your choices for your children should be respected by other family members even if they don't agree. I'm sure they wouldn't want or have wanted anyone putting down their parenting choices! Of course, that's easier said than done I wonder what sort of grandma I'll be? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2000 Report Share Posted December 27, 2000 Well, we aren't eaters off the regular path for the most part. I tend to have a non-dairy diet and encourage this for my daughter, but am not strict with it. However, I don't like her to have sweets (at 17 months) or certain foods. I was very cautious when we were breastfeeding because all our family wanted to give her just a bite of whatever. Last year was horrible with a 5 month old people wanted to give pie and whipped cream to. Other than telling them they were encouraging possible health problems, they didn't care that we didn't want her to have anything at that point besides my breastmilk. I also don't like my daughter to drink anything except water and breastmilk. She can have some juice now, but it is a treat. Unfortunately, my in-laws think giving her pop is just fine. I told them that I can't allow them to be around her with food if they persist with giving her stuff like that. They live a 9 hour drive away, so they know this can fairly easily be enforced by not opening my home to them to visit and not going to visit them myself. Now, my family has started asking what she can and cannot have. The in-laws are a little slower to learn since they live a little farther away. However, while I don't want her to have sweets, I allowed " them " (my mother and husband mainly) to give my daughter some pie with whipped cream. This was a special treat and she won't have any probably until next holidays. So, in all my ramblings, while we would be considered fairly cultural in what we eat and give our child, some things we restrict other still want to give her. We just tell them exactly why we do not allow those foods. Most of it is reasonable. I do think there are special times of the year and treats are treats. My daughter had cake at her birthday, but hasn't had any since because we don't make it. I eat things over the holidays I would normally avoid. I feel the repurcussions, but I know those in advance and eat them anyway. While we can encourage the best eating in our children we feel, they need to learn themselves what to avoid and what to enjoy. Letting your daughters have whatever it was that gave them a runny nose was probably good. They enjoyed it at the time and there was no likely long-term problems. Eventually, when allowed to have different things at special times of the year (like birthdays and Thanksgiving/Christmas), they will learn that some things make them feel bad and they'll avoid them on their own. HTH Adrienne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2000 Report Share Posted December 27, 2000 Well, my younger daughter is allergic to dairy and wheat and I really try to stick to her diet which can be very difficult in public places, but she is understanding enough and knows that her skin doesn't like some of the yummy things she would like to have. We don't eat any meat and my friends are supportive, my family doesn't understand and three years ago while I was back home with my kids they even gave some meat to my older daughter which completely freaked me out with the BSE going on in Europe and all. I just felt completely disrespected and ridiculed by them. She had asked for it, she was four at that time and saw everybody eating meat. I was not there, busy with my newborn twins, and so they took the liberty and let her have what she wanted. I am not so strict about organic food because I don't get everything organic. I try to restrict candy and stuff but I still let them " live " and allow them candy once in a while, still no dairy here for the allergic daughter. I don't have any articles that I could forward to you. Sorry about that. a. sorta OT: Nana's food issues (and mine) > HELP! I need some advice from those of you feeding your kids > " alternative " diets (we do no dairy, little wheat, no meat but fish, and > leaning toward macrobiotic) since my mom went crazy over Christmas > because dh and I won't let the girls have candy, ice cream, and > non-organic fruits/veggies. We've also been avoiding cold fruits since > both girls had bouts of diarrhea last week, and my mom could not seem to > grasp why little Rhythm Joy (2yo) couldn't have an apple out of the > fridge. I offered her warmed apples with cinnamon but, being a typical > 2yo, she refused and Nana became convinced I was scarring her for life by > denying her cold fruit! *LOL* I broke down and let them have some of > Nana's famous cheese grits (at least the eggs in it were free range) at > Christmas dinner and they both woke up with runny noses/congestion (yea > dairy.) Sorry for the rambling, I guess I'm just curious how strict you > other healthy parents are with eating outside the home - especially with > relatives who don't necessarily share your dietary beliefs (and sometimes > even laugh about them at the table!) I know the occasional piece of > candy or non-organic produce won't kill them, but where do you draw the > line? At least since my mom got a computer, I can email info to her > (she's pretty open to the no-vax IDEA at least, just afraid for her > grandchildren to get sick because of our " religious beliefs " - I was > fully vaxed, she says, and I never got any of those diseases.....of > course my ALLERGIES have nothing at all to do with the VAXES! (sarcasm) > If anyone has a good article or two on feeding children a (mostly) > macrobiotic diet, I'd love to forward them to my mom. Dh and I have > several books on the subject, but I have a feeling she'd be more likely > to read an email. TIA, Namaste, Gretchen > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2000 Report Share Posted December 27, 2000 Hi Gretchen...your childrens immune systems and health are going to be/are so bolstered by eating a mostly macrobiotic diet, that the few times they eat other " stuff " , it really won't make much of a difference (unless they are allergic to the foods). Short of taking my own food with me (which on occasion, I do) you won't be able to avoid it anyway. I mostly pick out the " best " that is offered, and eat that (or offer it to my son). I have actually sat down to dinner at my parents, and just eaten a plateful of squash, or zucchini, or cabbage. As for people who don't understand with or agree with your lifestyle/philosophies...they will just have to live with it. This is YOUR choice, and YOUR decision, not theirs, and as long as you are not asking them to buy or prepare special foods for you and your family, they really have no choice but to accept your decision. This includes family and close friends. The firmer you are in your resolve, the faster and easier it will be to convince others that this is the way that you have chosen to live, and you wish it to be accepted, if not respected. Sorry, but I don't have any articles per say on macro diets, just books...Sharon sorta OT: Nana's food issues (and mine) > HELP! I need some advice from those of you feeding your kids > " alternative " diets (we do no dairy, little wheat, no meat but fish, and > leaning toward macrobiotic) since my mom went crazy over Christmas > because dh and I won't let the girls have candy, ice cream, and > non-organic fruits/veggies. We've also been avoiding cold fruits since > both girls had bouts of diarrhea last week, and my mom could not seem to > grasp why little Rhythm Joy (2yo) couldn't have an apple out of the > fridge. I offered her warmed apples with cinnamon but, being a typical > 2yo, she refused and Nana became convinced I was scarring her for life by > denying her cold fruit! *LOL* I broke down and let them have some of > Nana's famous cheese grits (at least the eggs in it were free range) at > Christmas dinner and they both woke up with runny noses/congestion (yea > dairy.) Sorry for the rambling, I guess I'm just curious how strict you > other healthy parents are with eating outside the home - especially with > relatives who don't necessarily share your dietary beliefs (and sometimes > even laugh about them at the table!) I know the occasional piece of > candy or non-organic produce won't kill them, but where do you draw the > line? At least since my mom got a computer, I can email info to her > (she's pretty open to the no-vax IDEA at least, just afraid for her > grandchildren to get sick because of our " religious beliefs " - I was > fully vaxed, she says, and I never got any of those diseases.....of > course my ALLERGIES have nothing at all to do with the VAXES! (sarcasm) > If anyone has a good article or two on feeding children a (mostly) > macrobiotic diet, I'd love to forward them to my mom. Dh and I have > several books on the subject, but I have a feeling she'd be more likely > to read an email. TIA, Namaste, Gretchen > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2000 Report Share Posted December 28, 2000 In a message dated 12/27/00 7:07:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, mianne@... writes: a, gretchen and any others who have any suggestions, i would very much like to stop giving my son dairy and wheat (gluten too, i think is a problem for him), but am finding it hard to switch over to eating dairy andwheat-free diets. i know--check your health food sotre for alternatives, etc., this has been suggested by some who i have asked this question of, but what do you actually give to your kids? what are some of their favorite dishes? i do serve my son some pastas made from quinoa and rice etc., and i do try to use veg. broth in casseroles and rice or potato dishes instead of cheese sauces, but what to you do for a more varied diet--especially for kids? what about lunches, snackfoods (are there like pretzels/cookie or something like that) that i could get to begin the transition with? i should also note that we are vegetarians so any recipe suggestions would need to be meat free or be able to be adapted to meat free. thanks for any suggestions... brigit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2000 Report Share Posted December 28, 2000 I have an excellent recipe for bread machine rice bread if you are interested. Kathy Re: sorta OT: Nana's food issues (and mine) In a message dated 12/27/00 7:07:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, mianne@... writes: a, gretchen and any others who have any suggestions,i would very much like to stop giving my son dairy and wheat (gluten too, i think is a problem for him), but am finding it hard to switch over to eating dairy andwheat-free diets. i know--check your health food sotre for alternatives, etc., this has been suggested by some who i have asked this question of, but what do you actually give to your kids? what are some of their favorite dishes? i do serve my son some pastas made from quinoa and rice etc., and i do try to use veg. broth in casseroles and rice or potato dishes instead of cheese sauces, but what to you do for a more varied diet--especially for kids? what about lunches, snackfoods (are there like pretzels/cookie or something like that) that i could get to begin the transition with? i should also note that we are vegetarians so any recipe suggestions would need to be meat free or be able to be adapted to meat free. thanks for any suggestions... brigit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2000 Report Share Posted December 28, 2000 Brigit, I am new to this, too, especially cooking for a child's *challenging* appetite! Dh and I have been vegetarian for 8 years (we do eat fish now) but only wheat/dairy free for the past 2-3 weeks. We have three daughters ((5, 2, & 2mos) I work at a co-op and have access to a great nutritionist who does classes for kids (and grown-ups) with special dietary needs; her name is Beth Loiselle and she also has a cookbook - I confess I haven't bought it yet, I've just been photocopying recipes to try out! We use the Moosewood cookbooks some and adapt to exclude wheat/dairy - Maya (5yo) loves the kids cookbooks and helping prepare meals gets her excited about veggies & seaweed & such. Mostly my kiddos favor the *white* food group: pasta, bread, cheese(when we ate it), yogurt(ditto), milk(soy or rice or multi grain), cereals & grains, tofu, etc. They'll eat salad w/ Annie's Goddess dressing, and sometimes other raw veggies that way, too - we don't do raw foods too much in the cold months, though. I love tahini (made from sesame seeds) for dips, sauces, spreads - a great sauce that is kinda cheese-like can be made by simply mixing a cup of tahini with some red marinara sauce (it turns bright orange and our girls love it - I usually sneak chopped greens/herbs into the sauce as well. Dh prefers eastern foods so he makes a lot of sushi, stir frys and miso soup; also, we aren't completely gluten free, we use spelt bread, pasta, and pretzels. I sometimes have trouble with snack foods, there are some rice crackers/chips made by Eden Foods that my 2yo LOVES, but that's about it - I'd appreciate any suggestions in the snack dept.. We're learning more every day, I'll let you know if the kids are blown away by any of the new recipes! Namaste, Gretchen On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:31:32 EST beebemcel@... writes: > In a message dated 12/27/00 7:07:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, > mianne@... writes: > > > > a, gretchen and any others who have any suggestions, > > i would very much like to stop giving my son dairy and wheat (gluten > too, i > think is a problem for him), but am finding it hard to switch over > to eating > dairy andwheat-free diets. i know--check your health food sotre for > > alternatives, etc., this has been suggested by some who i have asked > this > question of, but what do you actually give to your kids? what are > some of > their favorite dishes? i do serve my son some pastas made from > quinoa and > rice etc., and i do try to use veg. broth in casseroles and rice or > potato > dishes instead of cheese sauces, but what to you do for a more > varied > diet--especially for kids? what about lunches, snackfoods (are > there like > pretzels/cookie or something like that) that i could get to begin > the > transition with? > i should also note that we are vegetarians so any recipe suggestions > would > need to be meat free or be able to be adapted to meat free. > thanks for any suggestions... > brigit > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2000 Report Share Posted December 28, 2000 i am interested in rice bread recipe. rhoda rhodaf@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2000 Report Share Posted December 28, 2000 me too, a. Re: sorta OT: Nana's food issues (and mine) i am interested in rice bread recipe. rhoda rhodaf@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2000 Report Share Posted December 28, 2000 Birgit, My daughter loves the goat cheese/spelt pizza that I make for her. The base is spelt with a little olive oil and water, yeast, garlic, sea salt and some honey to get the yeast going. I mix a dough and let it rest on the baking sheet in the warm not hot oven for about fifteen minutes. While I wait I grate the goat cheese. Once the dough has swollen up a bit, I use organic tomato sauce from the health food store and generously spread it over the base and cover everything up with grated goat cheese. I bake it at 375 F for about 10 to 12 minutes. My children love it. Another preparation that they all love is my green spaghetti sauce. I grate Spinach in water and heat it up in water and olive oil with garlic, salt, pepper and some goat cheese. I make some rice or corn or spelt spaghetti and once they are ready to eat I just pour some sauce over the pasta. I have dairy free parmesan cheese for my allergic child to sprinkle on top and the other child gets regular parmesan the older daughter prefers it without any extra cheese. For snacks she thankfully likes the rice pudding available in Health Food Stores as well as the wheat and dairy free cookies. Sometimes she gets salty snacks made out of lentils or fruits. Hope that helps you a little, a. > Brigit, I am new to this, too, especially cooking for a child's > *challenging* appetite! Dh and I have been vegetarian for 8 years (we do > eat fish now) but only wheat/dairy free for the past 2-3 weeks. We have > three daughters ((5, 2, & 2mos) I work at a co-op and have access to a > great nutritionist who does classes for kids (and grown-ups) with special > dietary needs; her name is Beth Loiselle and she also has a cookbook - I > confess I haven't bought it yet, I've just been photocopying recipes to > try out! We use the Moosewood cookbooks some and adapt to exclude > wheat/dairy - Maya (5yo) loves the kids cookbooks and helping prepare > meals gets her excited about veggies & seaweed & such. Mostly my kiddos > favor the *white* food group: pasta, bread, cheese(when we ate it), > yogurt(ditto), milk(soy or rice or multi grain), cereals & grains, tofu, > etc. They'll eat salad w/ Annie's Goddess dressing, and sometimes other > raw veggies that way, too - we don't do raw foods too much in the cold > months, though. I love tahini (made from sesame seeds) for dips, sauces, > spreads - a great sauce that is kinda cheese-like can be made by simply > mixing a cup of tahini with some red marinara sauce (it turns bright > orange and our girls love it - I usually sneak chopped greens/herbs into > the sauce as well. Dh prefers eastern foods so he makes a lot of sushi, > stir frys and miso soup; also, we aren't completely gluten free, we use > spelt bread, pasta, and pretzels. I sometimes have trouble with snack > foods, there are some rice crackers/chips made by Eden Foods that my 2yo > LOVES, but that's about it - I'd appreciate any suggestions in the snack > dept.. We're learning more every day, I'll let you know if the kids are > blown away by any of the new recipes! Namaste, Gretchen > > On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:31:32 EST beebemcel@... writes: > > In a message dated 12/27/00 7:07:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > mianne@... writes: > > > > > > > a, gretchen and any others who have any suggestions, > > > > i would very much like to stop giving my son dairy and wheat (gluten > > too, i > > think is a problem for him), but am finding it hard to switch over > > to eating > > dairy andwheat-free diets. i know--check your health food sotre for > > > > alternatives, etc., this has been suggested by some who i have asked > > this > > question of, but what do you actually give to your kids? what are > > some of > > their favorite dishes? i do serve my son some pastas made from > > quinoa and > > rice etc., and i do try to use veg. broth in casseroles and rice or > > potato > > dishes instead of cheese sauces, but what to you do for a more > > varied > > diet--especially for kids? what about lunches, snackfoods (are > > there like > > pretzels/cookie or something like that) that i could get to begin > > the > > transition with? > > i should also note that we are vegetarians so any recipe suggestions > > would > > need to be meat free or be able to be adapted to meat free. > > thanks for any suggestions... > > brigit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2000 Report Share Posted December 29, 2000 In a message dated 12/28/00 5:29:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, kcumming@... writes: I have an excellent recipe for bread machine rice bread if you are interested. yes kathy, that'd be great!!!! brigit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2000 Report Share Posted December 29, 2000 Rice Bread Put ingredients in order given into bread machine pan. 1 cup water 2 tbsp sugar or honey 2 tsp yeast 2 tbsp xanthan gum 1 1/2 cups brown rice flour 1/2 cup tapicoa starch/flour 2 tsp lemon juice 2 eggs Mix with spatula. Process on rapid (2hr) cycle. I have made the following changes with success: - omit eggs, increase water - add only one egg, increase water - add 2 tbsp sesame seeds and 2 tbsp sunflower seeds and increase water - add 1/4 cup of either 7-grain cereal (red river type), or oatmeal, or barley flakes and increase water - add 2 tbsp cracked flax seeds All of the ingredients are available at our local bulk food store. We make this bread daily, as we all have wheat problems at our house. It makes a great sandwich (better than rye in my opinion!) and excellent toast. Refridgerate if you don't eat it quickly. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2000 Report Share Posted December 29, 2000 what is xanthan gum and where do you get it? thanks for the recipe Re: sorta OT: Nana's food issues (and mine) Rice Bread Put ingredients in order given into bread machine pan. 1 cup water 2 tbsp sugar or honey 2 tsp yeast 2 tbsp xanthan gum 1 1/2 cups brown rice flour 1/2 cup tapicoa starch/flour 2 tsp lemon juice 2 eggs Mix with spatula. Process on rapid (2hr) cycle. I have made the following changes with success: - omit eggs, increase water - add only one egg, increase water - add 2 tbsp sesame seeds and 2 tbsp sunflower seeds and increase water - add 1/4 cup of either 7-grain cereal (red river type), or oatmeal, or barley flakes and increase water - add 2 tbsp cracked flax seeds All of the ingredients are available at our local bulk food store. We make this bread daily, as we all have wheat problems at our house. It makes a great sandwich (better than rye in my opinion!) and excellent toast. Refridgerate if you don't eat it quickly. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2000 Report Share Posted December 29, 2000 me three! I'm at brofu@... ....Or maybe you could just post to the whole list, since there seems to be a lot of interest in wheat-free eating! Thanks, Gretchen On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 21:22:48 -0600 " mianne " <mianne@...> writes: > me too, > a. > Re: sorta OT: Nana's food issues (and > mine) > > > i am interested in rice bread recipe. rhoda > rhodaf@... > > eGroups Sponsor > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2000 Report Share Posted December 29, 2000 Thank you, Kathy! -G. On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 08:39:21 -0500 " kcumming " <kcumming@...> writes: > Rice Bread > > Put ingredients in order given into bread machine pan. > 1 cup water > 2 tbsp sugar or honey > 2 tsp yeast > 2 tbsp xanthan gum > 1 1/2 cups brown rice flour > 1/2 cup tapicoa starch/flour > 2 tsp lemon juice > 2 eggs > > Mix with spatula. Process on rapid (2hr) cycle. > > I have made the following changes with success: > - omit eggs, increase water > - add only one egg, increase water > - add 2 tbsp sesame seeds and 2 tbsp sunflower seeds and increase > water > - add 1/4 cup of either 7-grain cereal (red river type), or oatmeal, > or barley flakes and increase water > - add 2 tbsp cracked flax seeds > > All of the ingredients are available at our local bulk food store. > We make this bread daily, as we all have wheat problems at our > house. It makes a great sandwich (better than rye in my opinion!) > and excellent toast. Refridgerate if you don't eat it quickly. > > Kathy ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2000 Report Share Posted December 29, 2000 I'm not sure exactly what xathan gum is. It comes in a white powder (like flour) and you should be able to find it at your local health food store or bulk food store. It's purpose is as a levener. Kathy Re: sorta OT: Nana's food issues (and mine) Rice Bread Put ingredients in order given into bread machine pan. 1 cup water 2 tbsp sugar or honey 2 tsp yeast 2 tbsp xanthan gum 1 1/2 cups brown rice flour 1/2 cup tapicoa starch/flour 2 tsp lemon juice 2 eggs Mix with spatula. Process on rapid (2hr) cycle. I have made the following changes with success: - omit eggs, increase water - add only one egg, increase water - add 2 tbsp sesame seeds and 2 tbsp sunflower seeds and increase water - add 1/4 cup of either 7-grain cereal (red river type), or oatmeal, or barley flakes and increase water - add 2 tbsp cracked flax seeds All of the ingredients are available at our local bulk food store. We make this bread daily, as we all have wheat problems at our house. It makes a great sandwich (better than rye in my opinion!) and excellent toast. Refridgerate if you don't eat it quickly. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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