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For us, we have only recently made serious diet changes. So, I'm not as

strict about the occasional sweet or slip backwards. I do think, though,

that your choices for your children should be respected by other family

members even if they don't agree.

I'm sure they wouldn't want or have wanted anyone putting down their

parenting choices! Of course, that's easier said than done :) I wonder

what sort of grandma I'll be?

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Well, we aren't eaters off the regular path for the most part. I tend to

have a non-dairy diet and encourage this for my daughter, but am not strict

with it. However, I don't like her to have sweets (at 17 months) or

certain foods. I was very cautious when we were breastfeeding because all

our family wanted to give her just a bite of whatever. Last year was

horrible with a 5 month old people wanted to give pie and whipped cream

to. Other than telling them they were encouraging possible health

problems, they didn't care that we didn't want her to have anything at that

point besides my breastmilk.

I also don't like my daughter to drink anything except water and

breastmilk. She can have some juice now, but it is a

treat. Unfortunately, my in-laws think giving her pop is just fine. I

told them that I can't allow them to be around her with food if they

persist with giving her stuff like that. They live a 9 hour drive away, so

they know this can fairly easily be enforced by not opening my home to them

to visit and not going to visit them myself.

Now, my family has started asking what she can and cannot have. The

in-laws are a little slower to learn since they live a little farther

away. However, while I don't want her to have sweets, I allowed " them " (my

mother and husband mainly) to give my daughter some pie with whipped

cream. This was a special treat and she won't have any probably until next

holidays.

So, in all my ramblings, while we would be considered fairly cultural in

what we eat and give our child, some things we restrict other still want to

give her. We just tell them exactly why we do not allow those foods. Most

of it is reasonable. I do think there are special times of the year and

treats are treats. My daughter had cake at her birthday, but hasn't had

any since because we don't make it. I eat things over the holidays I would

normally avoid. I feel the repurcussions, but I know those in advance and

eat them anyway. While we can encourage the best eating in our children we

feel, they need to learn themselves what to avoid and what to

enjoy. Letting your daughters have whatever it was that gave them a runny

nose was probably good. They enjoyed it at the time and there was no

likely long-term problems. Eventually, when allowed to have different

things at special times of the year (like birthdays and

Thanksgiving/Christmas), they will learn that some things make them feel

bad and they'll avoid them on their own.

HTH

Adrienne

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Well, my younger daughter is allergic to dairy and wheat and I really try to

stick to her diet which can be very difficult in public places, but she is

understanding enough and knows that her skin doesn't like some of the yummy

things she would like to have.

We don't eat any meat and my friends are supportive, my family doesn't

understand and three years ago while I was back home with my kids they even

gave some meat to my older daughter which completely freaked me out with the

BSE going on in Europe and all.

I just felt completely disrespected and ridiculed by them.

She had asked for it, she was four at that time and saw everybody eating

meat. I was not there, busy with my newborn twins, and so they took the

liberty and let her have what she wanted.

I am not so strict about organic food because I don't get everything

organic. I try to restrict candy and stuff but I still let them " live " and

allow them candy once in a while, still no dairy here for the allergic

daughter.

I don't have any articles that I could forward to you.

Sorry about that.

a.

sorta OT: Nana's food issues (and mine)

> HELP! I need some advice from those of you feeding your kids

> " alternative " diets (we do no dairy, little wheat, no meat but fish, and

> leaning toward macrobiotic) since my mom went crazy over Christmas

> because dh and I won't let the girls have candy, ice cream, and

> non-organic fruits/veggies. We've also been avoiding cold fruits since

> both girls had bouts of diarrhea last week, and my mom could not seem to

> grasp why little Rhythm Joy (2yo) couldn't have an apple out of the

> fridge. I offered her warmed apples with cinnamon but, being a typical

> 2yo, she refused and Nana became convinced I was scarring her for life by

> denying her cold fruit! *LOL* I broke down and let them have some of

> Nana's famous cheese grits (at least the eggs in it were free range) at

> Christmas dinner and they both woke up with runny noses/congestion (yea

> dairy.) Sorry for the rambling, I guess I'm just curious how strict you

> other healthy parents are with eating outside the home - especially with

> relatives who don't necessarily share your dietary beliefs (and sometimes

> even laugh about them at the table!) I know the occasional piece of

> candy or non-organic produce won't kill them, but where do you draw the

> line? At least since my mom got a computer, I can email info to her

> (she's pretty open to the no-vax IDEA at least, just afraid for her

> grandchildren to get sick because of our " religious beliefs " - I was

> fully vaxed, she says, and I never got any of those diseases.....of

> course my ALLERGIES have nothing at all to do with the VAXES! (sarcasm)

> If anyone has a good article or two on feeding children a (mostly)

> macrobiotic diet, I'd love to forward them to my mom. Dh and I have

> several books on the subject, but I have a feeling she'd be more likely

> to read an email. TIA, Namaste, Gretchen

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Hi Gretchen...your childrens immune systems and health are going to be/are

so bolstered by eating a mostly macrobiotic diet, that the few times they

eat other " stuff " , it really won't make much of a difference (unless they

are allergic to the foods). Short of taking my own food with me (which on

occasion, I do) you won't be able to avoid it anyway. I mostly pick out the

" best " that is offered, and eat that (or offer it to my son). I have

actually sat down to dinner at my parents, and just eaten a plateful of

squash, or zucchini, or cabbage. As for people who don't understand with or

agree with your lifestyle/philosophies...they will just have to live with

it. This is YOUR choice, and YOUR decision, not theirs, and as long as you

are not asking them to buy or prepare special foods for you and your family,

they really have no choice but to accept your decision. This includes family

and close friends. The firmer you are in your resolve, the faster and easier

it will be to convince others that this is the way that you have chosen to

live, and you wish it to be accepted, if not respected. Sorry, but I don't

have any articles per say on macro diets, just books...Sharon

sorta OT: Nana's food issues (and mine)

> HELP! I need some advice from those of you feeding your kids

> " alternative " diets (we do no dairy, little wheat, no meat but fish, and

> leaning toward macrobiotic) since my mom went crazy over Christmas

> because dh and I won't let the girls have candy, ice cream, and

> non-organic fruits/veggies. We've also been avoiding cold fruits since

> both girls had bouts of diarrhea last week, and my mom could not seem to

> grasp why little Rhythm Joy (2yo) couldn't have an apple out of the

> fridge. I offered her warmed apples with cinnamon but, being a typical

> 2yo, she refused and Nana became convinced I was scarring her for life by

> denying her cold fruit! *LOL* I broke down and let them have some of

> Nana's famous cheese grits (at least the eggs in it were free range) at

> Christmas dinner and they both woke up with runny noses/congestion (yea

> dairy.) Sorry for the rambling, I guess I'm just curious how strict you

> other healthy parents are with eating outside the home - especially with

> relatives who don't necessarily share your dietary beliefs (and sometimes

> even laugh about them at the table!) I know the occasional piece of

> candy or non-organic produce won't kill them, but where do you draw the

> line? At least since my mom got a computer, I can email info to her

> (she's pretty open to the no-vax IDEA at least, just afraid for her

> grandchildren to get sick because of our " religious beliefs " - I was

> fully vaxed, she says, and I never got any of those diseases.....of

> course my ALLERGIES have nothing at all to do with the VAXES! (sarcasm)

> If anyone has a good article or two on feeding children a (mostly)

> macrobiotic diet, I'd love to forward them to my mom. Dh and I have

> several books on the subject, but I have a feeling she'd be more likely

> to read an email. TIA, Namaste, Gretchen

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In a message dated 12/27/00 7:07:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, mianne@... writes:

a, gretchen and any others who have any suggestions,

i would very much like to stop giving my son dairy and wheat (gluten too, i think is a problem for him), but am finding it hard to switch over to eating dairy andwheat-free diets. i know--check your health food sotre for alternatives, etc., this has been suggested by some who i have asked this question of, but what do you actually give to your kids? what are some of their favorite dishes? i do serve my son some pastas made from quinoa and rice etc., and i do try to use veg. broth in casseroles and rice or potato dishes instead of cheese sauces, but what to you do for a more varied diet--especially for kids? what about lunches, snackfoods (are there like pretzels/cookie or something like that) that i could get to begin the transition with?

i should also note that we are vegetarians so any recipe suggestions would need to be meat free or be able to be adapted to meat free.

thanks for any suggestions...

brigit

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I have an excellent recipe for bread machine rice bread if you are interested. Kathy

Re: sorta OT: Nana's food issues (and mine)

In a message dated 12/27/00 7:07:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, mianne@... writes:

a, gretchen and any others who have any suggestions,i would very much like to stop giving my son dairy and wheat (gluten too, i think is a problem for him), but am finding it hard to switch over to eating dairy andwheat-free diets. i know--check your health food sotre for alternatives, etc., this has been suggested by some who i have asked this question of, but what do you actually give to your kids? what are some of their favorite dishes? i do serve my son some pastas made from quinoa and rice etc., and i do try to use veg. broth in casseroles and rice or potato dishes instead of cheese sauces, but what to you do for a more varied diet--especially for kids? what about lunches, snackfoods (are there like pretzels/cookie or something like that) that i could get to begin the transition with? i should also note that we are vegetarians so any recipe suggestions would need to be meat free or be able to be adapted to meat free. thanks for any suggestions... brigit

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Brigit, I am new to this, too, especially cooking for a child's

*challenging* appetite! Dh and I have been vegetarian for 8 years (we do

eat fish now) but only wheat/dairy free for the past 2-3 weeks. We have

three daughters ((5, 2, & 2mos) I work at a co-op and have access to a

great nutritionist who does classes for kids (and grown-ups) with special

dietary needs; her name is Beth Loiselle and she also has a cookbook - I

confess I haven't bought it yet, I've just been photocopying recipes to

try out! We use the Moosewood cookbooks some and adapt to exclude

wheat/dairy - Maya (5yo) loves the kids cookbooks and helping prepare

meals gets her excited about veggies & seaweed & such. Mostly my kiddos

favor the *white* food group: pasta, bread, cheese(when we ate it),

yogurt(ditto), milk(soy or rice or multi grain), cereals & grains, tofu,

etc. They'll eat salad w/ Annie's Goddess dressing, and sometimes other

raw veggies that way, too - we don't do raw foods too much in the cold

months, though. I love tahini (made from sesame seeds) for dips, sauces,

spreads - a great sauce that is kinda cheese-like can be made by simply

mixing a cup of tahini with some red marinara sauce (it turns bright

orange and our girls love it - I usually sneak chopped greens/herbs into

the sauce as well. Dh prefers eastern foods so he makes a lot of sushi,

stir frys and miso soup; also, we aren't completely gluten free, we use

spelt bread, pasta, and pretzels. I sometimes have trouble with snack

foods, there are some rice crackers/chips made by Eden Foods that my 2yo

LOVES, but that's about it - I'd appreciate any suggestions in the snack

dept.. We're learning more every day, I'll let you know if the kids are

blown away by any of the new recipes! Namaste, Gretchen

On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:31:32 EST beebemcel@... writes:

> In a message dated 12/27/00 7:07:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> mianne@... writes:

>

>

> > a, gretchen and any others who have any suggestions,

>

> i would very much like to stop giving my son dairy and wheat (gluten

> too, i

> think is a problem for him), but am finding it hard to switch over

> to eating

> dairy andwheat-free diets. i know--check your health food sotre for

>

> alternatives, etc., this has been suggested by some who i have asked

> this

> question of, but what do you actually give to your kids? what are

> some of

> their favorite dishes? i do serve my son some pastas made from

> quinoa and

> rice etc., and i do try to use veg. broth in casseroles and rice or

> potato

> dishes instead of cheese sauces, but what to you do for a more

> varied

> diet--especially for kids? what about lunches, snackfoods (are

> there like

> pretzels/cookie or something like that) that i could get to begin

> the

> transition with?

> i should also note that we are vegetarians so any recipe suggestions

> would

> need to be meat free or be able to be adapted to meat free.

> thanks for any suggestions...

> brigit

>

> >

> >

>

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Birgit,

My daughter loves the goat cheese/spelt pizza that I make for her.

The base is spelt with a little olive oil and water, yeast, garlic, sea salt

and some honey to get the yeast going.

I mix a dough and let it rest on the baking sheet in the warm not hot oven

for about fifteen minutes.

While I wait I grate the goat cheese.

Once the dough has swollen up a bit, I use organic tomato sauce from the

health food store and generously spread it over the base and cover

everything up with grated goat cheese. I bake it at 375 F for about 10 to 12

minutes.

My children love it.

Another preparation that they all love is my green spaghetti sauce.

I grate Spinach in water and heat it up in water and olive oil with garlic,

salt, pepper and some goat cheese.

I make some rice or corn or spelt spaghetti and once they are ready to eat I

just pour some sauce over the pasta.

I have dairy free parmesan cheese for my allergic child to sprinkle on top

and the other child gets regular parmesan the older daughter prefers it

without any extra cheese.

For snacks she thankfully likes the rice pudding available in Health Food

Stores as well as the wheat and dairy free cookies.

Sometimes she gets salty snacks made out of lentils or fruits.

Hope that helps you a little,

a.

> Brigit, I am new to this, too, especially cooking for a child's

> *challenging* appetite! Dh and I have been vegetarian for 8 years (we do

> eat fish now) but only wheat/dairy free for the past 2-3 weeks. We have

> three daughters ((5, 2, & 2mos) I work at a co-op and have access to a

> great nutritionist who does classes for kids (and grown-ups) with special

> dietary needs; her name is Beth Loiselle and she also has a cookbook - I

> confess I haven't bought it yet, I've just been photocopying recipes to

> try out! We use the Moosewood cookbooks some and adapt to exclude

> wheat/dairy - Maya (5yo) loves the kids cookbooks and helping prepare

> meals gets her excited about veggies & seaweed & such. Mostly my kiddos

> favor the *white* food group: pasta, bread, cheese(when we ate it),

> yogurt(ditto), milk(soy or rice or multi grain), cereals & grains, tofu,

> etc. They'll eat salad w/ Annie's Goddess dressing, and sometimes other

> raw veggies that way, too - we don't do raw foods too much in the cold

> months, though. I love tahini (made from sesame seeds) for dips, sauces,

> spreads - a great sauce that is kinda cheese-like can be made by simply

> mixing a cup of tahini with some red marinara sauce (it turns bright

> orange and our girls love it - I usually sneak chopped greens/herbs into

> the sauce as well. Dh prefers eastern foods so he makes a lot of sushi,

> stir frys and miso soup; also, we aren't completely gluten free, we use

> spelt bread, pasta, and pretzels. I sometimes have trouble with snack

> foods, there are some rice crackers/chips made by Eden Foods that my 2yo

> LOVES, but that's about it - I'd appreciate any suggestions in the snack

> dept.. We're learning more every day, I'll let you know if the kids are

> blown away by any of the new recipes! Namaste, Gretchen

>

> On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:31:32 EST beebemcel@... writes:

> > In a message dated 12/27/00 7:07:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > mianne@... writes:

> >

> >

> > > a, gretchen and any others who have any suggestions,

> >

> > i would very much like to stop giving my son dairy and wheat (gluten

> > too, i

> > think is a problem for him), but am finding it hard to switch over

> > to eating

> > dairy andwheat-free diets. i know--check your health food sotre for

> >

> > alternatives, etc., this has been suggested by some who i have asked

> > this

> > question of, but what do you actually give to your kids? what are

> > some of

> > their favorite dishes? i do serve my son some pastas made from

> > quinoa and

> > rice etc., and i do try to use veg. broth in casseroles and rice or

> > potato

> > dishes instead of cheese sauces, but what to you do for a more

> > varied

> > diet--especially for kids? what about lunches, snackfoods (are

> > there like

> > pretzels/cookie or something like that) that i could get to begin

> > the

> > transition with?

> > i should also note that we are vegetarians so any recipe suggestions

> > would

> > need to be meat free or be able to be adapted to meat free.

> > thanks for any suggestions...

> > brigit

> >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

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In a message dated 12/28/00 5:29:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, kcumming@... writes:

I have an excellent recipe for bread machine rice bread if you are interested.

yes kathy, that'd be great!!!!

brigit

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Rice Bread

Put ingredients in order given into bread machine pan.

1 cup water

2 tbsp sugar or honey

2 tsp yeast

2 tbsp xanthan gum

1 1/2 cups brown rice flour

1/2 cup tapicoa starch/flour

2 tsp lemon juice

2 eggs

Mix with spatula. Process on rapid (2hr) cycle.

I have made the following changes with success:

- omit eggs, increase water

- add only one egg, increase water

- add 2 tbsp sesame seeds and 2 tbsp sunflower seeds and increase water

- add 1/4 cup of either 7-grain cereal (red river type), or oatmeal, or barley flakes and increase water

- add 2 tbsp cracked flax seeds

All of the ingredients are available at our local bulk food store. We make this bread daily, as we all have wheat problems at our house. It makes a great sandwich (better than rye in my opinion!) and excellent toast. Refridgerate if you don't eat it quickly.

Kathy

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what is xanthan gum and where do you get it? thanks for the recipe

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Rice Bread

Put ingredients in order given into bread machine pan.

1 cup water

2 tbsp sugar or honey

2 tsp yeast

2 tbsp xanthan gum

1 1/2 cups brown rice flour

1/2 cup tapicoa starch/flour

2 tsp lemon juice

2 eggs

Mix with spatula. Process on rapid (2hr) cycle.

I have made the following changes with success:

- omit eggs, increase water

- add only one egg, increase water

- add 2 tbsp sesame seeds and 2 tbsp sunflower seeds and increase water

- add 1/4 cup of either 7-grain cereal (red river type), or oatmeal, or barley flakes and increase water

- add 2 tbsp cracked flax seeds

All of the ingredients are available at our local bulk food store. We make this bread daily, as we all have wheat problems at our house. It makes a great sandwich (better than rye in my opinion!) and excellent toast. Refridgerate if you don't eat it quickly.

Kathy

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me three! I'm at brofu@... ....Or maybe you could just post to the

whole list, since there seems to be a lot of interest in wheat-free

eating! Thanks, Gretchen

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> me too,

> a.

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> mine)

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> i am interested in rice bread recipe. rhoda

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Thank you, Kathy! -G.

On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 08:39:21 -0500 " kcumming " <kcumming@...>

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> Rice Bread

>

> Put ingredients in order given into bread machine pan.

> 1 cup water

> 2 tbsp sugar or honey

> 2 tsp yeast

> 2 tbsp xanthan gum

> 1 1/2 cups brown rice flour

> 1/2 cup tapicoa starch/flour

> 2 tsp lemon juice

> 2 eggs

>

> Mix with spatula. Process on rapid (2hr) cycle.

>

> I have made the following changes with success:

> - omit eggs, increase water

> - add only one egg, increase water

> - add 2 tbsp sesame seeds and 2 tbsp sunflower seeds and increase

> water

> - add 1/4 cup of either 7-grain cereal (red river type), or oatmeal,

> or barley flakes and increase water

> - add 2 tbsp cracked flax seeds

>

> All of the ingredients are available at our local bulk food store.

> We make this bread daily, as we all have wheat problems at our

> house. It makes a great sandwich (better than rye in my opinion!)

> and excellent toast. Refridgerate if you don't eat it quickly.

>

> Kathy

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I'm not sure exactly what xathan gum is. It comes in a white powder (like flour) and you should be able to find it at your local health food store or bulk food store. It's purpose is as a levener. Kathy

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Rice Bread

Put ingredients in order given into bread machine pan.

1 cup water

2 tbsp sugar or honey

2 tsp yeast

2 tbsp xanthan gum

1 1/2 cups brown rice flour

1/2 cup tapicoa starch/flour

2 tsp lemon juice

2 eggs

Mix with spatula. Process on rapid (2hr) cycle.

I have made the following changes with success:

- omit eggs, increase water

- add only one egg, increase water

- add 2 tbsp sesame seeds and 2 tbsp sunflower seeds and increase water

- add 1/4 cup of either 7-grain cereal (red river type), or oatmeal, or barley flakes and increase water

- add 2 tbsp cracked flax seeds

All of the ingredients are available at our local bulk food store. We make this bread daily, as we all have wheat problems at our house. It makes a great sandwich (better than rye in my opinion!) and excellent toast. Refridgerate if you don't eat it quickly.

Kathy

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