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Cow's milk is high enough in sodium and protein that you can damage a babies

kidneys, kill them in fact. Cows milk is excellent for calves. Anybody ever

read " Don't Drink Your milk " a fairly old book by a Med. Prof. Dr. Osofsky I

think from Hopkins Medical School. Kathy R

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Hi Gillian,

I can't figure out why all of a sudden I can't handle dairy,

Being raised on a farm and consumed it for 35 years, 2 years ago and would

get sharp pain in the stomach. Only after eating dairy.

I also developed gall bladder problems. MY GP tell me it is a natural

progression of my disease. I don't know. Apparently my gall bladder gets

inflamed like my joints.

He also tells me so could my heart.

Have you or anyone else heard that.

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Hi Marie

With or without the skin off the fresh milk, I still refused to eat bread.

Odd though because it seems I am allergic to white bread, according to the

last allergist I saw. Yes my Brother endured 'Bilious Attacks' until Nana

sorted him out. She boiled the fresh un-pasteurised cows milk, until it

separated, whereupon you get a 'green whey'. She poured it off and insisted

he DRANK it. Well it CURED him, I can testify to that! Yes I have fond

memories of my childhood, especially here in Kerry. Back then they had NO

mains water, so if you wanted a glass of water you had to go to the Well!

One day I was playing with Spot the dog in the marsh and he got all dirty,

so I located a really clean large puddle and gave him a wash! See ever kind

to small creatures and hygienic as well! Nana stormed into the kitchen and

wanted to know WHO had dirtied the Well? Not me, I had not been near the

Well. I was a good girl had spent the afternoon washing Spot in that big

clean puddle beyond the gate! Nana was NOT happy. Seems this really large

clean puddle was a SPRING, where they could draw water from, instead of

walking two miles to the Public Well! So guess where I spent the rest of my

HOLIDAY, yep drawing water from the Public Well, with my Cousins.

Love and God Bless

Gillian

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I put a little in my coffee, (yes, bad addiction, I know) but otherwise do

not drink milk or give it to my kids. This drives my mother in-law crazy!

She's a nurse who thinks that kids will die if not given milk so she tries

to give it to them every time we are there.

But I do consume butter..it is the better choice than margarine.

And we do eat cheese...probably too much of it actually but I have to make

some allowances around here, my husband is not on the same wavelength as me

regarding health.

He's a big Pepsi drinker, and I keep teasing him about the fact that one day

he's gonna find out more than he really wants to know about the " Pepsi

Challenge "

So I keep cheese in the fridge just to let him know that he is welcome.:>)

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> Do any of you consume dairy? I don't drink milk anymore and I'm cutting

out

> the remaining dairy from my diet, and I'm a vegetarian.

>

> Since dairy does SUCH a number on our digestive system I just wondered how

> many of you consume it.

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In a message dated 08/21/2000 11:48:51 AM Central Daylight Time,

magicke@... writes:

<< Since dairy does SUCH a number on our digestive system I just wondered how

many of you consume it. >>

& & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & &

Not only that, it's loaded in antibiotics and all the things in the grains

that the cow ate.

ej

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I have given up all but butter and I only use butter about twice a week. I am also slowly weaning my family off of dairy.

Jamey

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I consume a small amount in cheese. Thats about it. My daughter however

ocassionally has milk and loves cheese. We are all doing the paragone

cleanse and her cravings for milk and cheese have lessened quite a bit.

Dairy

> Do any of you consume dairy? I don't drink milk anymore and I'm cutting

out

> the remaining dairy from my diet, and I'm a vegetarian.

>

> Since dairy does SUCH a number on our digestive system I just wondered how

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I drink lactose-free low fat (Enjoy brand) in my decaf.coffee ( 3-4 x a

week), and I use it for oatmeal, cereal, and in some dishes. We eat

cheese occasionally, and use real butter ( not a lot at 1 time). My

other half does drink low-fat milk; he probably goes through a gallon in

7-10 days.

As a post-menapausal female, I try to get my calcium through supplements.

I have tried soy milk, didn't care too much for it. I have tasted rice

dream ( a substitute for milk) and it tastes ok.

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><< Since dairy does SUCH a number on our digestive system I just wondered how

> many of you consume it. >>

Light parmesan cheese on pasta. Once - twice a month pasta with a cheese

filling. Powdered soy milk.

Bob

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Hi a,

I do drink raw goat milk and make kefir, which is like yogurt only it's made

from goat milk. Some authors do advocate raw goat milk, Norman for one.

I find that my body hungers for

fat sometimes, and more than from fat like avocados or from flax. The raw milk

fills me better. Don't quote me, but I remember reading how the molecules or

fat or the calcium from raw goat

milk is easier for a human to digest than cow milk. I've even heard it

recommeded as the next best thing to breast milk for babies who aren't nursing.

I'm not the expert, these are my

opinions and my recollections. Hope this helps.

Lori

a Roberson Kruzan wrote:

> Do any of you consume dairy? I don't drink milk anymore and I'm cutting out

> the remaining dairy from my diet, and I'm a vegetarian.

>

> Since dairy does SUCH a number on our digestive system I just wondered how

> many of you consume it.

>

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> > Do any of you consume dairy? I don't drink milk anymore and I'm cutting

> out the remaining dairy from my diet, and I'm a vegetarian. Since dairy

does SUCH a number on our digestive system I just wondered how many of you

consume it.

Our family gave up milk last year, and we used to drink a gallon of milk a

day.

After reading the www.notmilk.com site, we became very educated about the

dangers of milk!

We now try to do without dairy as much as we can. I admit, it is hard to

give up the cheese, ice cream, etc....my kids have a much harder time than I

do, but we have been successful at eating only organic dairy products when

we do buy dairy, and our consumption has been cut dramatically.

Eventually, we hope to be totally dairy free, and we are also basically meat

free, with the exception of a little bit of small game now and then.

Patty

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The protein in goat milk is identical to human milk. There is more fat, and

less sugar in goat milk compared to human, but the protein is the main thing

to be concerned about for human babies. The fat " molecule " in goat milk is

smaller than cow's milk. Also, goats do not get as many diseases as cows,

which can be transmitted to humans. Get a goat! I had my own goat for a

long time, and really think they are wonderful animals. Intelligent, with

personality, and can be great pets as well as contributors to the family's

diet.

Kris

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Not me! When I learned about meat and dairy causing such an acidic condition

that the body draws calcium, which is alkaline, from the bones to maintain

the blood at a proper ph, I did the best I could to eliminate both from my

diet. No wonder osteoporosis is so rampant in this country!

[Guest guest]

can someone explain why dairy is suggested for young children as the best

source of calcium for " bone building " , yet you are saying in adults it draws

this from bones??

[Guest guest]

Cow's milk is not what we were designed to consume, for one thing. The line

about 'bone building' and 'all that calcium' is REALLY deceptive. YES there

is a TON of calcium in cow's milk, it's designed to build the bones of a

baby cow so of course ther would be a lot. BUT, there is also a LOT of

protien in the milk which uses calcium to process in your body.

The amount of protien in milk actually *leaches* calcium from your body.

Drinking milk does NOT 'build' bones, it *deteriorates* them. You actually

'piss' all that calcium and protein right out of your body.

a

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>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:49:31 EDT

>

>can someone explain why dairy is suggested for young children as the best

>source of calcium for " bone building " , yet you are saying in adults it

>draws

>this from bones??

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The only thing I can ask is what their health is like? How do they live? How

much activity do they get? What is their life span? What kinds of diseases

do they die from?

I don't know, I know that different cultures have different diets, and I

know the American diet of milk & meat is killing us.

a

>

>In a message dated 8/24/00 1:08:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>magicke@... writes:

>

><< Cow's milk is not what we were designed to consume >>

>

>just to play devil's advocate and to demonstrate how everyone's chemistry

>is

>different:

>

>what of the Masai tribe in Africa who are very strong and healthy people--

>they live largely on milk, blood, and meat. (read Weston Price 'Nutrition

>and Physcial Degeneration)

>

>what of the robust nad healthy native people in the Swiss Alps who live

>mainly on rye and milk products

>

>Bulgarian peasants live well over 100 years of age eating lots of yogurt

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In a message dated 8/24/00 1:08:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

magicke@... writes:

<< Cow's milk is not what we were designed to consume >>

just to play devil's advocate and to demonstrate how everyone's chemistry is

different:

what of the Masai tribe in Africa who are very strong and healthy people--

they live largely on milk, blood, and meat. (read Weston Price 'Nutrition

and Physcial Degeneration)

what of the robust nad healthy native people in the Swiss Alps who live

mainly on rye and milk products

Bulgarian peasants live well over 100 years of age eating lots of yogurt

[Guest guest]

there is a big difference between a mcdonald's hamburger fried in

hydrogenated oil and a boiled argentinian rib eye. there is also a big

difference ice cream riddled with chemicals and organic cultured cream. for

some, avoiding meat and dairy might be wonderful. for me, i need densely

mineralized food, and a high fat diet. i am pretty sure this has to do with

my being an O blood type. and maybe there is more to it. before switching to

this diet i lacked the strength to cleanse my body, and now i am gradually

regaining my strength with the help of meat and dairy. everyone's body is

different. there are exceptions to every rule. i wish i could live on

vegetables and grains-- they look so clean and alive. that was the first

thing i tried when i started cleansing. unfortunately yeasts thrive on sugar

which is what grains convert to. and vegetables didnt give me the strength i

need to rebuild my immune system-- nor did they trigger my body to secrete

enough hydrochloric acid. incidentally, something which has helped me

tremendously as of late is whey protein powder (milk protein). i think it

provides the raw material for the body to produce immunoglobulins. iv

gammaglobulin was at one point an experimental treatment for chronic fatigue.

i'm sure there are some people out there who would rather have a nice tasting

shake than be poked by a needle. I would suggest reading the book Nutrition

and Physical Degeneration. Also i would recommend reading some of H.L.

Newbold's books on diet and genetic ancestry.

As far as the Masai go- i think mainly they die from europeans trying to kill

them.

but i find it fascinating that they drink raw cow blood.

i dont know how the swiss peasants die.i heard recently that the Dalai Lama's

doctor recommended that he start eating some meat.

i agree with the people who dont beleive in pasteurization or homogenization.

it seems very unnatural. it seems absurd that it is illegal to sell

unpasteurized milk. i am not pro milk and meat or con milk and meat. i can

just relate my personal experiences and some bits of what i have read.

and i am always looking for ways to improve my energy level

[Guest guest]

The Massai don't eat excessive amounts of milk, and they don't homogenize or

pasturize. They also ferment milk.

Yougurt is a type of " fermented " product where another organism partially

digests the milk before human consumption, but the main thing is that they

do not heat up too high and for too long, in these other cultures mentioned,

(cheese today is not like what used to be made to store up excess milk for

use during lean times) which is what is done in western civilization now, to

our detriment.

Kris

Smart is believing only half of what you hear,

brilliant is knowing which half to believe.

Atlantic1@...

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I hate to sound so cynical, but the bottom line for the meat and dairy

industries is MONEY!! You just can't believe what you see on TV and read in

the newspaper and magazines about what's good for you.

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i avoid dairy as much as possible... im down for raw goat milk though, ive

never tasted it but it sounds fun...everything in moderation...

[Guest guest]

How or where do you get your raw goat milk?

I am trying to find a way to get it, as I'm quite sure our local

government will not allow us to keep a goat as a pet.

rhonda

ldo <ldo@...> writes:

> Hi a,

>

> I do drink raw goat milk and make kefir, which is like yogurt only it's made

from goat milk. Some authors do advocate raw goat milk, Norman for one.

I find that my body hungers for

> fat sometimes, and more than from fat like avocados or from flax. The raw

milk fills me better. Don't quote me, but I remember reading how the molecules

or fat or the calcium from raw goat

> milk is easier for a human to digest than cow milk. I've even heard it

recommeded as the next best thing to breast milk for babies who aren't nursing.

I'm not the expert, these are my

> opinions and my recollections. Hope this helps.

>

> Lori

>

> a Roberson Kruzan wrote:

>

> > Do any of you consume dairy? I don't drink milk anymore and I'm cutting out

> > the remaining dairy from my diet, and I'm a vegetarian.

> >

> > Since dairy does SUCH a number on our digestive system I just wondered how

> > many of you consume it.

> >

> > a

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It is somewhat of an underground market. Where I am, I can find someone with

goats or a cow and ask them. Usually if they say it is illegal, I ask if I

can rent the cow and hire them to milk it, because this is legal. I pay 2.50

per gallon, some sell for 3.00. Sometimes you will find a country market, or

natural store that will assist you in getting it (you will pay a very high

price). Also if you have Amish nearby, you may ask them. If you find a

source that is a distance to travel, consider buying in bulk and freezing

the milk.

Bernadette

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>

>

>

> How or where do you get your raw goat milk?

>

> I am trying to find a way to get it, as I'm quite sure our local

> government will not allow us to keep a goat as a pet.

>

> rhonda

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ldo <ldo@...> writes:

>

> > Hi a,

> >

> > I do drink raw goat milk and make kefir, which is like yogurt only it's

made from goat milk. Some authors do advocate raw goat milk, Norman

for one. I find that my body hungers for

> > fat sometimes, and more than from fat like avocados or from flax. The

raw milk fills me better. Don't quote me, but I remember reading how the

molecules or fat or the calcium from raw goat

> > milk is easier for a human to digest than cow milk. I've even heard it

recommeded as the next best thing to breast milk for babies who aren't

nursing. I'm not the expert, these are my

> > opinions and my recollections. Hope this helps.

> >

> > Lori

> >

> > a Roberson Kruzan wrote:

> >

> > > Do any of you consume dairy? I don't drink milk anymore and I'm

cutting out

> > > the remaining dairy from my diet, and I'm a vegetarian.

> > >

> > > Since dairy does SUCH a number on our digestive system I just wondered

how

> > > many of you consume it.

> > >

> > > a

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kristiana

You can't be that repulsed if you still eat cheese<grin>

dairy

> I really REALLY disagree with the concept that humans *need* dairy. The

only

> milk we need is that from our mothers. We are not bovines, we do not

*need* a

> cow's milk. Certainly there are components to it that are good for our

bodies

> but given the amounts in which we receive it every time we drink a glass

of

> milk, we're doing our bodies more harm than good. Milk is a great source

of

> calcium - for a COW. There is so much protein in milk that our bodies USE

the

> calcium in addition tot hat from our own stores to process the protein and

get

> it out of our bodies. Milk isn't helping osteoperosis, it's helping cause

it.

> I

> remember one day I woke up and realized that I was drinking the breast

milk of

> an animal- hello, until I say MOO and spend time in a field and get

> slaughtered

> for my meat and skin, I don't *need* cow's milk.

>

> There are benefits to *any* animal's milk- should we be sucking every teat

we

> see?

>

> a, who enjoys cheese here and there and not much else in the way of

> dairy

>

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Didn't say I was repulsed, just said it doesn't make a lot of sense. I

*know* what I *should* be doing but that doesn't mean I manage it 100% of the

time.

a

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Hi there. What do you think about whey protein?. Gretings.

claudio

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candidiasis

Subject: dairy

Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:36:17 -0800

I really REALLY disagree with the concept that humans *need* dairy. The only

milk we need is that from our mothers. We are not bovines, we do not *need*

a

cow's milk. Certainly there are components to it that are good for our

bodies

but given the amounts in which we receive it every time we drink a glass of

milk, we're doing our bodies more harm than good. Milk is a great source of

calcium - for a COW. There is so much protein in milk that our bodies USE

the

calcium in addition tot hat from our own stores to process the protein and

get

it out of our bodies. Milk isn't helping osteoperosis, it's helping cause

it.

I

remember one day I woke up and realized that I was drinking the breast milk

of

an animal- hello, until I say MOO and spend time in a field and get

slaughtered

for my meat and skin, I don't *need* cow's milk.

There are benefits to *any* animal's milk- should we be sucking every teat

we

see?

a, who enjoys cheese here and there and not much else in the way of

dairy

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