Bruising

[Guest guest]

The reason I am concerned is that this was the third time I have been

hauling rocks and dirt in the bucket, and the first two times, I had

no such bruising at all.

Bruising

[Angelkat] I was reading the other day about adrenal exhaustion.... I was

on the kitchendoctor webpage. Very interesting stuff... she was saying that

bruising is a major symptom of the adrenal exhaustion. I've noticed I've

been bruising more lately, when my husband and I are wrestling around, the

next day I have several bruises all over my arms. Since I have had cfids

for years, I'm looking more into the adrenal issue. KAT

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kat, I needed to be reminded of the adrenal part of the equation. I

probably do have some adrenal insufficiency, now I just need to find out how

to deal with it. My naturopath put me on Isocort several years ago, but I

moved away from Tucson and never got resupplied. Anyone have any more ideas

on adrenal support? I'll check out the kitchendoctor website.

Thanks,

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: " Angelkat " <angelkat@...>

> I was reading the other day about adrenal exhaustion.... I was

> on the kitchendoctor webpage. Very interesting stuff... she was saying

that

> bruising is a major symptom of the adrenal exhaustion. I've noticed I've

> been bruising more lately, when my husband and I are wrestling around, the

> next day I have several bruises all over my arms. Since I have had cfids

> for years, I'm looking more into the adrenal issue. KAT

[Guest guest]

Hi Patty, I am not an expert here, but three days without food is three days

without Vit C and, in my personal experience, that is all it takes to bruise

incredibly easily.

Donna

-----Original Message-----

I have been using ozonated water alot lately, and in fact recently

ended a 3 day fast on which I drank nothing but ozonated water. I do

think it has helped me to feel much better.

However, I have one concern. Yesterday I was hauling a bunch of rock

and dirt in our backyard, and by evening, I noticed I had huge

bruises all over my legs where the bucket had rubbed against my leg.

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Could this be a simple vitamin C deficiency, or might there be

something more sinister going on? It just seems too weird that I had

no problems before, and now, after fasting and using the ozonated

water exclusively, my legs look like I was attacked and beaten.

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Thanks,

Patty

[Guest guest]

At 08:36 AM 8/8/01 +0000, you wrote:

>Do any of you have or know of a blend that would help an existing

>bruise? I done a big OOOOP'S this afternoon. Tripped and fell backwards

>and as I was falling, I tried to grab the support post to break my fall

>and the inside of my arm from the wrist area to just below the crook of

>the elbow is bruised badly. I did ice it right away, but just thought I

>would ask if there was anything else I could or should be doing. Really

>don't want to go to a doctor; you know how it goes. Would appreciate any

>advice or suggestions anyone has.

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[Guest guest]

Jan,

The platelets don't always tell the entire story when it comes to bruising.

My platelets are fine, but it is the " glue " that holds them together that I

am missing--I have a clotting disorder. It has barely bothered me, but I

know to be cautious, and of course I am careful to notify the Docs when I'm

having surgery. If your daughter continues to have bruising issues, you

might want to take her to a Hematologist for a complete work up. It's better

done now then in an emergency situation. I was always very thin, also, but

finally when I had my tonsils removed, they noticed a problem with clotting.

The Hematologist knew what was wrong in about five minutes, but of course did

the tests to verify it as well.

Sandi--Mom to , age 9. Suspected IgA def., Tetrology of Fallot, chronic

sinusitis, chronic ear infections, asthma, severe allergies, GERD. Ten

surgeries, heart surgery pending.

[Guest guest]

I'm catching up on my email and I do not remember who posted about

bruising problems. My daughter, no PID, bruises very easily and her cuts and

scratches are quite slow to heal. I do not remember her having this problem

when she was younger. I have wondered if it might be associated with the

asthma and allergy meds she takes. She takes Pulmicort, Singulair, Flonase every

day and Claritin, Albuterol as needed. In 3rd grade everyone was commenting on

her bruising and I was concerned too so I made an appointment with the

Ped. The bloodwork (CBC) did not show a problem with Platelets. They felt she

was so thin that was part of the problem and recommended she wear pads (like

volleyball or soccer) on her knees and shins (which were her worst areas) to

let them heal. The more active she is, the more bruising, which makes sense.

She, too, often has a scratch with a bruise around it. She has also had a

calcified bruise on her shin which worried us, but it did finally go away. My

son, who has CVID and takes IVIG, does not have as much bruising and his minor

scratches and cuts heal quicker. (He has had some serious healing problems with

surgery sites though.) Just wanted to add my comments on the bruising.

Jan

[Guest guest]

Why am I bruising so much? I always had " thin skin " in the sense that I

would bruise easily, but recently it has become fierce, my legs must have at

least 30 black and blue marks on them...I take iron supplements, a steroid

inhalator for asthma and vitamins and minerals. What could cause this? Any

suggestions about what to do, what tests to take? Yesterday I had liver

function tests and they were fine. Two months ago I had regular blood tests,

iron and ferritin and they were also fine.

Judy

[Guest guest]

It could be from coagulation problems (hypo or hyper). Have you done the

ISAC test?

Thanks,

Doris

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> Why am I bruising so much? I always had " thin skin " in the sense that I

> would bruise easily, but recently it has become fierce, my legs must have

at

> least 30 black and blue marks on them

[Guest guest]

Vicki

My son came home with bruises a few years ago. We at first went to the

principal and she said she did her own investigation. Needless to say,

she said it didn't happen there, but it had to. He went to school

without bruises and came home with them. I took pictures. For sure do

that. Since the school did not do much about it, we called Child

Protective Services in on the case. They didn't do much of an

investigation but I felt it was very serious and your case sounds even

more serious. There is definitely some kind of abuse going on. I

worked for years in psychiatric nursing and in state hospitals with the

most difficult people and we never bruised anyone. They are definitely

not using the correct procedures. If at all possible, take your child

out of that school until they are trained or move her somewhere they

are.

This sounds seriouws.

in Lake , near Austin

bruising

My 11 year old son is coming home from school with bruises, broken blood

vessels, carpet burns, and fingernail marks on him. He is in a new

school with staff that has not dealt with him before. He is very

difficult to deal with and quite aggressive. What is the best way to

address the situation? At this point I have addressed my concerns to his

teacher and discussed CPI training in his ARD last week. If he looked

like this due to home issues the school would call CPS.

Help!

Vicki King

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[Guest guest]

I am a teacher who has a very aggressive student. In fact I was bit

by him 6 times today. Like clockwork at 1:30 he starts getting very

hyper and giggling and begins pinching and biting everyone he sees.

While this behavior leaves marks on me I haven't ever left marks on

him.

[Guest guest]

>> " Like clockwork at 1:30 he starts getting very hyper and giggling and begins

pinching and biting everyone he sees " <<

Have you ever considered that maybe something he's eating at lunch may have set

off this reaction(something he evidentally eats or drinks daily) or perhaps, is

there a change of some sort in your class routine around 1:30 or something

you're doing at that time in class that he's protesting? Has this child ever

attempted augmentative communication? It would be great if he had the

opportunity to actually communicate to you what he is feeling. My son who is 9

years old(nonverbal) started this this summer and what he's communicating to us

is incredible--it's like an answer to our prayers! Do his parents have any

clue as to what could be causing this kind of behavior? The fact that this

behavior is occuring daily and on schedule would lead me to believe that there

is a definite reason behind it.

Re: Bruising

I am a teacher who has a very aggressive student. In fact I was bit

by him 6 times today. Like clockwork at 1:30 he starts getting very

hyper and giggling and begins pinching and biting everyone he sees.

While this behavior leaves marks on me I haven't ever left marks on

him.

[Guest guest]

e,

Bless you. Have you tried putting him in a hammock swing at 1:25pm? My very

hyper guy finds this very soothing. We hung it from our ceiling (they had

one at PS too, I bought it but they hung it!)He could swing and spin and get

the deep pressure from the hammock (folded in half and attached at the top

on an " O " ring)was just what he needed. I'm no expert of course but it

sounds to me like a sensory overload. Trina

Re: Bruising

I am a teacher who has a very aggressive student. In fact I was bit

by him 6 times today. Like clockwork at 1:30 he starts getting very

hyper and giggling and begins pinching and biting everyone he sees.

While this behavior leaves marks on me I haven't ever left marks on

him.

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[Guest guest]

Yes. We have tried various routines with him. He changes his

activity every 10 minutes... I found out today his parents took him

off of his meds so I'll be starting all over again...

[Guest guest]

We have a sensory integration lab that has activities such as a

spinning board, scooter boards, massage balls, vibrating massagers, a

swing, a slide, a trampoline, a teeter totter, lotion, music, and

various other things. We take him there every 30 minutes or as

needed.

Our administrators are very adamant about what each child with autism

should have availiable to them. Some of these things are visual or

object schedule, at devices, routine, sensory integration, etc.

I've come so far with the student who has been taken off of his

medication. This time last year we started ECT (environmental

communication training). At the beginning he had approximately 25

words at the most. Now he has atleast 500 or more. His behavior is

challenging but nothing like it has been now that he's off his

medicine.

*sigh*

[Guest guest]

Your sensory integration lab sounds really good. My son's school also has one

set up too. Where do you teach? I'm sure your student's mom has her reasons

for taking her son off his medication but if you think that has directly

affected his behavior--she should know that. I assume you've probably discussed

that with her. I don't know how aware his mom is regarding biomedical issues

ie. diet, digestive enzymes, etc. but there are so many factors that could

contribute to this kind of behavior. The behavior you described to me COULD

indicate that the child has a yeast issue--very common problem with autistic

kids as a result of gut issues that need to be addressed. Also, many parents

are chelating their kids of heavy metals since their bodies do not have the

detox mechanism that their typical peers have. This is why it is of utmost

importance that parents and teacher educate themselves on all issues related to

autism. None of us have all the answers but sometimes when teachers and parents

put their heads together to try to come up with solutions...hopefully positive

results will follow. So hang it there with this little guy.(big guy???)

As a parent, I APPLAUD you for joining this list and sharing your experiences

as a teacher. We need more teachers like you who truly care about and advocate

for their students. Thanks

a

P.S. What is Environmental Communication Training?

Re: Bruising

We have a sensory integration lab that has activities such as a

spinning board, scooter boards, massage balls, vibrating massagers, a

swing, a slide, a trampoline, a teeter totter, lotion, music, and

various other things. We take him there every 30 minutes or as

needed.

Our administrators are very adamant about what each child with autism

should have availiable to them. Some of these things are visual or

object schedule, at devices, routine, sensory integration, etc.

I've come so far with the student who has been taken off of his

medication. This time last year we started ECT (environmental

communication training). At the beginning he had approximately 25

words at the most. Now he has atleast 500 or more. His behavior is

challenging but nothing like it has been now that he's off his

medicine.

*sigh*

[Guest guest]

Vicki

I really think you need to report this to Child Protective Services

before the school does and they investigate you. I would not be

surprised if they do this. It will at least cover you.

in Lake

Bruising

Well, this is what is going on so far. I wrote a letter and spoke to

's teacher. Of course she is already on the defensive and

implying that the bruises are coming from home. I am also speaking with

the special ed counselor about getting CPI training. is very

aggressive and I want them to know how to handle him without injury to

himself or others. This is the third time we have had issues with injury

to since he began going to school. He has been abused by two

different teachers in the past. I do feel that this time it is an issue

with lack of education on the part of teacher and staff. I pray I am

right about this.

Thank you all for your suggestions. I am looking into the different

approaches.

Vicki King

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[Guest guest]

This student in particular was on resperdal (however you spell it)

and had made tons of progress while taking it. He attacks other

students, adults, anyone or anything he chooses at the particular

time. Today we were rotating him through different activities every 5-

10 minutes. He was happy on the computer playing his favorite program

when he turned around and smiled at me. I ofcourse think nothing of

it and look back down at the students folders and begin to write to

each parent how the day is. The student then before I knew it reached

down and bit my arm. It's soo unprovoked that is the hardest thing

about helping him. No matter what we do gets the wrong reaction.

The parents of this student are by far my most distant parents. I am

signed up to be their in home trainer at 1 hour a week. I have never

gotten in their home. I have offered 4-7 m-f and 10-7 on saturday and

sunday. But nothing seems to work. What we do at school is not

generalized at the home setting, and that by far is a problem in its

own right.

We have talked about dietary needs and his love of breads and yeasts.

His parents won't try the gluetten free diet. They say that it is

unfair to him because when he sees others eatting things he wants

he'll be sad and that's not fair to him.

Don't get me wrong I love this student with all my heart. The thing

that hurts far more than the bites is knowing how far he has come

with the assistance of the medicine. Now that he is off of it things

will be harder. Not to mention I have 4 students with one assistant

(in the afternoon -- 5 kids and 2 assistants in the am).

Talk about juggling.

If anyone has any ideas that are feasable with a class that has been

changed in structure to include a wheelchair bound CP student, a

emotionally disturbed student who likes to escape, and 3 severely

autistic students please let me know.

As parents you live a life I only visit.

[Guest guest]

CPI training? what is that?

[Guest guest]

I want to tell you how blessed I am to be reading your posts. What a

breath of fresh air you are! Do you know how few and far between teachers

like you are???

e - I will pray for you and ask my prayer friends to pray for wisdom

and strength for you!

Keep on keeping on!

Re: Bruising

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/16/2003 6:47:20 PM Central Standard Time,

vking@... writes:

>

> Well, this is what is going on so far. I wrote a letter and spoke to

> ’s teacher. Of course she is already on the defensive and

> implying that the bruises are coming from home. I am also speaking with

> the special ed counselor about getting CPI training. is very

> aggressive and I want them to know how to handle him without injury to

> himself or others. This is the third time we have had issues with injury

> to since he began going to school. He has been abused by two

> different teachers in the past. I do feel that this time it is an issue

> with lack of education on the part of teacher and staff. I pray I am

> right about this.

Angel has never had an abusive teacher she has had one that was neglegent

though just leaving Angel in the corner to self mutilate. Cps " had a case " on

going on us for a while but realized we were doing all we could and backed out

after one case worker broke the law made passes at me would come to my home

when I was alone and such and such not to mention he threatened to take the kids

if there was one more mark on Angel though he admitted to never finding

anything but the marks she put on herself in front of him. We got a new case

worker

after complaining and she finally closed the case.

[Guest guest]

>>CPI training? what is that?

CPI 'S Nonviolent Crisis Intervention Program

I've taken it at ESC-17 http://www.esc17.net . It mainly focuses on how to

break a hold, hair pull, bite, choke, etc. with out injuring the child. It

also gives you a way to safely restrain and a team transport. Your local ESC

should offer something along the same lines.

Tonya

[Guest guest]

>>Have you ever considered that maybe something he's eating at lunch may

have set off this reaction(something he evidentally eats or drinks daily) or

perhaps, is there a change of some sort in your class routine around 1:30 or

something you're doing at that time in class that he's protesting?

Well said! Sometimes it takes an outside person to see the pattern. Those

involved are so busy tending to the child's behavior that it's not humanly

possible to see all the influences. Also consider red dye or food

additives. We have a student in my son's school that has a horrible time if

they get even a minute taste of red dye. Amazing what you find it in.

Tonya

[Guest guest]

I too have an aggressive child who is on 4 psychoactive medicines and

is on the DAN protocol, goes to school nd receives their SI/OT and

privately. However I do believe when a child is aggressive - the

parent has an obligation to work with the school to decrease

aggression and maintain safety of everyone.

I am heartbroken when I learn that Sam has scratched/biten or hurt a

peer or a teacher. Sometimes there are situations that provoke her

acting out and the school has a responsibility to work w/ me to fish

those out and mimimize that potential. However there have been some

incidents when there appears to be no antecendent.

I fully understand the schools and teachers have enormous

expectations placed on them consequently alot is placed on the kids

to learn more and do more at a younger age. I beleive there is a

tendency to overdiagnose and medicate. Instead of looking at the

standard or expectation.

The American Academy of Pediatrics/Adolescents practice guideline for

Autism state that the only appropriate and necessary time to medicate

an individual with Autism is when they are aggressive to others and

themselves.

That is why I am proactive in seeking medicines. I try not to force

my views on anyone else. I also don't want my kid hurting anyone

including teachers or my kid being hurt by anyone either.

However some of the issues congress has been trying to insert in IDEA

regarding aggressive and disruptive behavior - you got to wonder if

if springs from parents having concerns or being reluctant to look at

meds for kids who may be real challenges in the classroom.

Just food for thought

Jeneane

Houston

[Guest guest]

Hi

I find this very interesting about your son's bruising, and am wondering why the doctors are not getting to the bottom of this. Because you only see the bruising on the outside, but have no idea if there is any bleeding on the inside. My oldest son once had a problem like this when he was a sophomore in high school. He was running in track one day and his legs began to hurt him and by the time he got home both of his thighs were really bruised, both were entirely black and blue!

So we took him to the doctor learned from blood tests that it was because he had a low platelet count. Platelets are the things in the blood that clot it when the muscles or tissues are injured. When there is bruising it is because the blood did not clot and leaked into the tissues.

Anyway he became quite ill over a period of several months with this and he had many tests, one was a bone marrow test to see if he had leukemia. They had to stick a needle into his hip bone, and we were happy to find that he did not have it, but still it was a serious thing because he could have fallen off his bike and could have sustained serious internal injuries from bleeding too much. The doctor was thinking about taking out his spleen, we learned because the spleen can sometimes run amok and decide it is going to start storing the platelets out of the blood.

Well what we did all along is we prayed, and the doctor had him on steroids, to try to "kick in" the bone marrow to start working right again. His weekly blood tests showed he only had 100s of platelets in so much blood, and he was supposed to have 100s of thousands in the same amount. Anyway after the prayer and the steroids I took him back for his blood work, and all was normal again, and he didn't have to get his spleen out, and we were sure happy about that!

Anyway I think there has to be a reason why your son is bruising so much, and I hope the doctors find out what it is soon.

Just my experience with blood, which I admit is not much.

My best wishes to you and to your son with this,

Carolyn

Bruising

Do you ever feel like you have become your own doctor? I have been battling my son's doctors for over a year now on his bruising issue. My son is AS and Bi-Polar 1. He takes Risperdal and Prozac. He has been bruising very easily since I can remember. Just recently it has gotten worse and now his liver function enzymes are climbing. They have done all of the standard blood tests a million times and have concluded that he doesn't have a blood disorder.... so that leads me to believe his medicines are the problem right? Why can't I get a doctor to confer and help me out on this? He is literally covered in bruises and it is making me sick to even look at him while I am bathing him. I can't let him go to swimming lessons anymore because it just looks aweful. People are now staring at him in the stores.. I am afraid I am going to get called on child abuse. And my son will agree to anything you say so if someone would ask him if mommy beats him, he would reply yes. I am scared for him and I just don't know what to do anymore. Has anyone else had this experience? HELP!Jean

[Guest guest]

Hi again Jean. I just had another idea about this. How much vitamin "C" does your son get in his diet? I know if you don't get enough you can bruise and your gums can bleed. Also certain drugs make the demand for it higher. I would sure keep after the doctors to help you on this. I am having a hard time understanding why they are giving you a hard time. How is his iron? Is he weak and tired as well?

Please let us know when you figure it out.

Carolyn

Bruising

Do you ever feel like you have become your own doctor? I have been battling my son's doctors for over a year now on his bruising issue. My son is AS and Bi-Polar 1. He takes Risperdal and Prozac. He has been bruising very easily since I can remember. Just recently it has gotten worse and now his liver function enzymes are climbing. They have done all of the standard blood tests a million times and have concluded that he doesn't have a blood disorder.... so that leads me to believe his medicines are the problem right? Why can't I get a doctor to confer and help me out on this? He is literally covered in bruises and it is making me sick to even look at him while I am bathing him. I can't let him go to swimming lessons anymore because it just looks aweful. People are now staring at him in the stores.. I am afraid I am going to get called on child abuse. And my son will agree to anything you say so if someone would ask him if mommy beats him, he would reply yes. I am scared for him and I just don't know what to do anymore. Has anyone else had this experience? HELP!Jean