Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 For those, like myself, who abhor adding more radiation to the body, you my want to consider thermagraphy instead. Results are as good as, (some indications show better than if the newest generation of the CRT is used) mammograms. Advantages, (1) the test shows areas of problems throughout the body, not just in one area, (2) indicates problems in very early stages so it can be addressed, (3) indicates stressed areas where future problems could occur, (4) NO RADIATION. Kay Note for Kay Heizer... >Kay, > >You sent me the radiation bath soak formula awhile back and I lost it. Would >you be so kind as to post to the list, as others might also be interested. > >I remember it being Epsom salts and baking soda, but cannot remember the >amounts. > >I'm nearing my appt. for a mammogram, which is the last one I'm consenting >to. I plan on using this afterward. > >Best, >Judi > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Wish you had something rad to add to your email? >We do at www.supersig.com. >1/6807/13/_/378/_/963676738/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2000 Report Share Posted November 17, 2000 Just be aware that a Canadian study has shown that mammograms, like any ionizing radiation, CAUSE cancer. I just turned 43 this year and I have never had a mammogram. My gyno gets really annoyed with me for refusing to have one, and keeps telling me that I am taking a risk by NOT having one. I just stand my ground. I figure if I ever get breast cancer, I hope I will feel the lumps myself. I have always avoided any type of xrays.... I think too many of them may have contributed to my father's cancers. We lost him in 1997... KAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2000 Report Share Posted November 17, 2000 Women who have mammograms have TWICE the death rate from cancer as women who do not have mammograms. The theory why is that first, squeezing a tumor into the mammogram machine ruptures capillaries in a malignant tumor, spreading it. Second, if a small tumor is found they do a needle biopsy, and the cancer is then spread along the line the needle is extracted. Women who had palpation only have double the chance of survival from breast cancer. Ladies, tell your doctor to go to hades! If I were a woman with a breast tumor I would get an appropriate sized funnel and do ozone cupping, ozonated water, Homozon & flax seed & cottage cheese. This protocol for my friend with kidney cancer made a thumb-sized tumor in his lung disappear in 60 days or less. jim jim Angelkat wrote: > > Just be aware that a Canadian study has shown that mammograms, > like any ionizing radiation, CAUSE cancer. > > I just turned 43 this year and I have never had a mammogram. My gyno gets > really annoyed with me for refusing to have one, and keeps telling me that I > am taking a risk by NOT having one. I just stand my ground. I figure if I > ever get breast cancer, I hope I will feel the lumps myself. I have always > avoided any type of xrays.... > I think too many of them may have contributed to my father's cancers. We > lost him in 1997... > KAT > ----- carpe diem, carpe pucunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2000 Report Share Posted November 17, 2000 > I just turned 43 this year and I have never had a mammogram. My gyno gets > really annoyed with me for refusing to have one, and keeps telling me that I > am taking a risk by NOT having one. I just stand my ground. I figure if I > ever get breast cancer, I hope I will feel the lumps myself. I have always > avoided any type of xrays.... I second this. I am 41 and have never had a mammogram, and God willing, I never will. Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2000 Report Share Posted November 18, 2000 It seems that a very large percentage of women get calcifications and/or fibrocystic breasts as they age. And it seems that everyone wants to biopsy these things nowadays. A friend of mine just had one done and she told me she doesn't think she would ever go through this again. She had calcification in three different spots on one breast. Not only was having a wire inserted an excruciating procedure (both during and for several weeks after), not only was she subjected to countless mammograms on the day of the biopsy where they REALLY flatten the breast tissue--far more than during an ordinary mammogram, but she was forced to go out into the waiting room where other patients' relatives were sitting while dressed in her pajamas and with the wire in her breast and just hang out there for three hours while waiting for them to get ready for her procedure. She later told me that she spoke to a friend of hers who it turns out, had also had this done, as had several of HER friends. Her friend swore she would never subject herself to this again. From this I can only conclude that it is now becoming standard practice to biopsy any woman who his aging because her breasts are now considered " abnormal. " And when I say " aging, " please don't assume I'm talking about senior citizens here. I'm referring to women who are as young as in their late 30's. Of the biopsies performed, 80% find nothing. Lana > > I just turned 43 this year and I have never had a mammogram. My gyno gets > > really annoyed with me for refusing to have one, and keeps telling me that > I > > am taking a risk by NOT having one. I just stand my ground. I figure if > I > > ever get breast cancer, I hope I will feel the lumps myself. I have > always > > avoided any type of xrays.... > > > I second this. I am 41 and have never had a mammogram, and God willing, I > never will. > Patty > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> > Create your business web site your way now at Bigstep.com. > It's the fast, easy way to get online, to promote your business, > and to sell your products and services. Try Bigstep.com now. > 1/9183/2/_/507288/_/974493127/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------_ -> > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 Here are the current guidelines. I have recommended a baseline at 35 and a mammogram every 1-2 years depending on the findings beginning at age 40 ie dense breasts. I truly believe that the age 50 guidelines are an insurance ploy to reduce costs. I have worked with many clients with breast cancer - not one who would say do fewer mammograms. The complaint they have is that the reader missed the mass or calcifications that may prove histologically to be cancer. For myself, when I have a mammogram I request and only allow one radiologist at Good Sam to review my films and I follow up to make sure that he was the one to do it. Our lives are in their hands. The next step will be to follow all mammograms with ultrasound - not eliminate us - which will improve screening. sharron fuchs dc Breast Care Guidelines November, 2000 The American College of Radiology, the American Cancer Society, the American Medical Women's Association and numerous national women's groups support annual mammography screening beginning by age 40. These groups also recommend yearly clinical breast examinations starting at age 40. ACR believes that clinical trials have shown that by having screening mammograms every year, compared to every 1-2 years as was recommended in the past for women in their 40s, breast cancers are found at an earlier stage. The earlier breast cancers are detected, the better are the chances for improved treatment results. -----Original Message-----From: Mike Riemhofer D.C. [mailto:drmike@...]Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 8:46 AM Subject: Mammograms Listmates, My wife's GYN recommended a baseline mammogram. My wife is 40, no family history, breast fed our 3 boys one year plus each. I thought I remembered reading about new guidelines not recommending mammograms until age 50. And even at that, a poor technology to evaluate with: damage to breast?, poor sensitivity/specifity? Can any one confirm/make recommendations? Thanks,Mike Riemhofer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 correction. us will...' not eliminate mammogram'. the idea is to do both and the sooner the better. for those who are concerned about low dose radiation...try dosing up on vitamin c and or other antioxidant things to try to minimize any adverse effects. sharron fuchs dc -----Original Message-----From: Sharron Fuchs [mailto:SharronF@...]Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:37 AM'Mike Riemhofer D.C.'; Subject: RE: Mammograms Here are the current guidelines. I have recommended a baseline at 35 and a mammogram every 1-2 years depending on the findings beginning at age 40 ie dense breasts. I truly believe that the age 50 guidelines are an insurance ploy to reduce costs. I have worked with many clients with breast cancer - not one who would say do fewer mammograms. The complaint they have is that the reader missed the mass or calcifications that may prove histologically to be cancer. For myself, when I have a mammogram I request and only allow one radiologist at Good Sam to review my films and I follow up to make sure that he was the one to do it. Our lives are in their hands. The next step will be to follow all mammograms with ultrasound - not eliminate us - which will improve screening. sharron fuchs dc Breast Care Guidelines November, 2000 The American College of Radiology, the American Cancer Society, the American Medical Women's Association and numerous national women's groups support annual mammography screening beginning by age 40. These groups also recommend yearly clinical breast examinations starting at age 40. ACR believes that clinical trials have shown that by having screening mammograms every year, compared to every 1-2 years as was recommended in the past for women in their 40s, breast cancers are found at an earlier stage. The earlier breast cancers are detected, the better are the chances for improved treatment results. -----Original Message-----From: Mike Riemhofer D.C. [mailto:drmike@...]Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 8:46 AM Subject: Mammograms Listmates, My wife's GYN recommended a baseline mammogram. My wife is 40, no family history, breast fed our 3 boys one year plus each. I thought I remembered reading about new guidelines not recommending mammograms until age 50. And even at that, a poor technology to evaluate with: damage to breast?, poor sensitivity/specifity? Can any one confirm/make recommendations? Thanks,Mike Riemhofer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 At a Dan seminar a few years back, I believe he said that mammograms do affect morbidity or martality rates; further that radiologists are troubled by clean films coming back to bite them with malpractice cases. Can someone verify this? I do remember and have his notes confirming that shoulder harness bruising of the breast increase the incicdence of breast cancer. Because of this, I have had MY ASSISTANT ultrasound bruised breast tissue resulting in rapid healing of the bruising and less scar tissue. -- Dr. Abrahamson > From: " Mike Riemhofer D.C. " <drmike@...> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:45:58 -0800 > < > > Subject: Mammograms > > Listmates, > My wife's GYN recommended a baseline mammogram. > My wife is 40, no family history, breast fed our 3 boys one year plus each. > I thought I remembered reading about new guidelines not recommending > mammograms until age 50. > And even at that, a poor technology to evaluate with: > damage to breast?, poor sensitivity/specifity? > Can any one confirm/make recommendations? > Thanks,Mike Riemhofer > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 , I thought you would handle the breast ultrasounding personally, Ted On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:44:33 -0800 Abrahamson <drscott@...> writes: > At a Dan seminar a few years back, I believe he said that > mammograms > do affect morbidity or martality rates; further that radiologists > are > troubled by clean films coming back to bite them with malpractice > cases. > Can someone verify this? > > I do remember and have his notes confirming that shoulder harness > bruising > of the breast increase the incicdence of breast cancer. Because of > this, I > have had MY ASSISTANT ultrasound bruised breast tissue resulting in > rapid > healing of the bruising and less scar tissue. > -- > Dr. Abrahamson > > > From: " Mike Riemhofer D.C. " <drmike@...> > > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:45:58 -0800 > > < > > > Subject: Mammograms > > > > Listmates, > > My wife's GYN recommended a baseline mammogram. > > My wife is 40, no family history, breast fed our 3 boys one year > plus each. > > I thought I remembered reading about new guidelines not > recommending > > mammograms until age 50. > > And even at that, a poor technology to evaluate with: > > damage to breast?, poor sensitivity/specifity? > > Can any one confirm/make recommendations? > > Thanks,Mike Riemhofer > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 : I have done the same thing using ultrasound on breast bruises post car crash with good results. However,,, these scars frequently look like cancer in later mammograms. If the woman can write down which side and where the injury was, they can probably avoid unnecessary surgery. I haven't seen breast trauma result in breast cancer, only scares. Ann Goldeen, D.C. 1010 Duane Street Astoria OR 97103 503-325-3311 Mammograms > > > > Listmates, > > My wife's GYN recommended a baseline mammogram. > > My wife is 40, no family history, breast fed our 3 boys one year plus each. > > I thought I remembered reading about new guidelines not recommending > > mammograms until age 50. > > And even at that, a poor technology to evaluate with: > > damage to breast?, poor sensitivity/specifity? > > Can any one confirm/make recommendations? > > Thanks,Mike Riemhofer > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 Hello Mike and Oregon DCs, Check out www.guideline.gov for the AHRQ Guidelines Clearinghouse collection of guidelines. Search " treatments/interventions " for " mammograms " and check out the 19 different guidelines on mammography/breast cancer screening. There's quite a bit of spread on when/how often it should be done. Chuck Simpson Re: Mammograms : I have done the same thing using ultrasound on breast bruises post car crash with good results. However,,, these scars frequently look like cancer in later mammograms. If the woman can write down which side and where the injury was, they can probably avoid unnecessary surgery. I haven't seen breast trauma result in breast cancer, only scares. Ann Goldeen, D.C. 1010 Duane Street Astoria OR 97103 503-325-3311 Mammograms > > > > Listmates, > > My wife's GYN recommended a baseline mammogram. > > My wife is 40, no family history, breast fed our 3 boys one year plus each. > > I thought I remembered reading about new guidelines not recommending > > mammograms until age 50. > > And even at that, a poor technology to evaluate with: > > damage to breast?, poor sensitivity/specifity? > > Can any one confirm/make recommendations? > > Thanks,Mike Riemhofer > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 No sir. A breast is a sacred thing and not to be tampered with except in emergencies and then only with a baord member present. Jerry Seinfeld said that you can't stare at them or you will incur retinal damage. " They're like the sun, you have to glance glance away, glance, etc. " Seriously though, boundaries are our business more so now than ever. -- Dr. Abrahamson > From: Ted Forcum <tlf-3@...> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:09:05 -0800 > drscott@... > Cc: drmike@..., > Subject: Re: Mammograms > > , > I thought you would handle the breast ultrasounding personally, > Ted > > On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:44:33 -0800 Abrahamson > <drscott@...> writes: >> At a Dan seminar a few years back, I believe he said that >> mammograms >> do affect morbidity or martality rates; further that radiologists >> are >> troubled by clean films coming back to bite them with malpractice >> cases. >> Can someone verify this? >> >> I do remember and have his notes confirming that shoulder harness >> bruising >> of the breast increase the incicdence of breast cancer. Because of >> this, I >> have had MY ASSISTANT ultrasound bruised breast tissue resulting in >> rapid >> healing of the bruising and less scar tissue. >> -- >> Dr. Abrahamson >> >>> From: " Mike Riemhofer D.C. " <drmike@...> >>> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:45:58 -0800 >>> < > >>> Subject: Mammograms >>> >>> Listmates, >>> My wife's GYN recommended a baseline mammogram. >>> My wife is 40, no family history, breast fed our 3 boys one year >> plus each. >>> I thought I remembered reading about new guidelines not >> recommending >>> mammograms until age 50. >>> And even at that, a poor technology to evaluate with: >>> damage to breast?, poor sensitivity/specifity? >>> Can any one confirm/make recommendations? >>> Thanks,Mike Riemhofer >>> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2001 Report Share Posted November 21, 2001 , You have raised an important point. When should a physician cower in fear and trembling when faced with the specter of examining breasts or gonads? Should they be touched during examination at all, or looked at only with two face shields in place at a distance of no less than 10 feet nor no longer a gaze than 10 seconds? Though our Board has done a great job informing us about the risks of inappropriate behaviour in the office, have we now awakened(?) to realize that this caution has spilled over, empowering the FEAR MONSTER that has taken all of our physician ovaries and testicles away from us? I think that we need to, once and for all, get rid of this risky business of differential diagnois, and the like, and just adjust through 9 layers of clothes, guided by our superhuman powers of spinal palpation, blindfolded. Then we will have finally acheived a state of ChiroNirvana, or Chirana. What do you think? Steve Lumsden Mammograms > >>> > >>> Listmates, > >>> My wife's GYN recommended a baseline mammogram. > >>> My wife is 40, no family history, breast fed our 3 boys one year > >> plus each. > >>> I thought I remembered reading about new guidelines not > >> recommending > >>> mammograms until age 50. > >>> And even at that, a poor technology to evaluate with: > >>> damage to breast?, poor sensitivity/specifity? > >>> Can any one confirm/make recommendations? > >>> Thanks,Mike Riemhofer > >>> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 Dear Oregon DC's, Below is a direct quote from the G. Komen website. I too take the CD summary and see on page two that the Oregon Breast and Cervical Cancer Program (OB and CCP) is funded in part by the Komen foundation. I wonder what the Komen foundation thinks about the OB and CCP emphasizing women 50-64 years of age. My read from the CD summary is that there is limited money and that that is what drives their emphasis to that age group. True, as stated, the US preventative task force recommends older age of screening and age is a factor for risk of cancer, but younger women get breast cancer too and in my mind ,if able, they too should be given the benefit of mammography screening. 'The G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation continues to recommend annual screening mammography for all women 40 years of age and older. If a woman has a family history of breast cancer or fits other 'high risk' criteria, she should seek her physician's counsel in whether to begin yearly screening at an earlier age. In the United States, it is estimated that 192,000 women and 1,500 men will be diagnosed with breast cancer this year. Approximately 40,200 women and 400 men will die of breast cancer. Today, as a result of screening mammography more women are being diagnosed at earlier stages when there are more treatment options and a greater chance of surviving the disease. Stage 1 and 2 breast cancers make up 67% of all breast cancers diagnosed in Caucasian women in the United States and 61% of those found in Black women. Since the early 1990s the mortality rate from breast cancer has been decreasing by 2% a year. This can be attributed to use of screening mammography, early detection and therefore more timely access to better, more targeted treatments.' vty, sharron fuchs dc Mammograms I just received the newest " CD Summary " , a regular bulletin from the OR Dept of Human Services, Office of Communicable disease adn Epidemiology. Its focus was on Breast Cancer. Here is their recommendation on Screening with Mammography: " Mammography is the best way to detect breast cancer in its earliest stages; an average of 1.7 years before a lump can be felt in a breast self-exam. Although controversy continues regarding the benefits of mammography for women 40-49 years of age, clear benefit has been shown for women aged 50 to 69 years. The U.S. Preventive Services Task Force recommends mammography screening every one to two years beginning at age 50 years. Routine screening of women in this age group can decrease deaths from breast cancer by up to 30%. Mammography may also be recommended for thowe younger women who are at higher risk. " Tim Stecher, DC, DACBR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 Listmates, In all this discussion of mammograms I have considered one problem expressed by many female patients...cost. Is anyone aware of any program or organization that can help a woman handle the cost of a mammogram or that provides mammograms for women without insurance...perhaps cost based upon income or such? Is there somewhere I can direct a woman to look if I hear, " I just can't afford it. " Thanks in advance. J. Holzapfel, D.C. Albany, OR. kjholzdc@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 try the susan g komen breast cancer foundation on the internet. oregon health plan candidate? also, you can contact the oregon breast and cervical cancer program 503-731-4273 in portland and ask them. i bet the mammography centers would have some information also ie at the albany general hospital (or whatever it is called now). vty, sharron fuchs dc RE: Mammograms Listmates, In all this discussion of mammograms I have considered one problem expressed by many female patients...cost. Is anyone aware of any program or organization that can help a woman handle the cost of a mammogram or that provides mammograms for women without insurance...perhaps cost based upon income or such? Is there somewhere I can direct a woman to look if I hear, " I just can't afford it. " Thanks in advance. J. Holzapfel, D.C. Albany, OR. kjholzdc@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 , You also might suggest women contact their local county public health dept - they may offer vouchers for mammograms, especially for older women and those in high risk categories (this is the case in Tillamook Co.) Lily Roselyn, DC At 04:36 PM 11/26/2001 -0800, J Holzapfel DC wrote: >Listmates, >In all this discussion of mammograms I have considered one problem >expressed by many female patients...cost. Is anyone aware of any program >or organization that can help a woman handle the cost of a mammogram or >that provides mammograms for women without insurance...perhaps cost based >upon income or such? Is there somewhere I can direct a woman to look if >I hear, " I just can't afford it. " Thanks in advance. > > J. Holzapfel, D.C. >Albany, OR. >kjholzdc@... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 In a message dated 3/11/06 3:23:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, drakecarole@... writes: > Mine they misdiagnosed as normal, turned out to be a very fast growing > tumor. So, with all the discomfort involved in the exam and the uselessness of > it, I'm all for finding another diagnostic tool for breast cancer. > Carole, Try the following non toxic diagnostic methods: MRI Sonagram Thermography Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Well, what I have seen as that in the mammogram what shows is white streaks. Usually those white streaks are muscle tissue. And in young women, all the tissue is muscle tissue. As we age, it turns to fatty tissue. Making it easier in an older person to see that white tissue is bad. So, it's a guess whether, at any given time, that white tissue is good or bad. Mine they misdiagnosed as normal, turned out to be a very fast growing tumor. So, with all the discomfort involved in the exam and the uselessness of it, I'm all for finding another diagnostic tool for breast cancer. Carole Mammograms MAMMOGRAMS: After the false positive, the over diagnosis There's a new worry for women having a mammogram. Not only do they have to contend with the 'false positive' and all the unnecessary anxiety that that entails, they may also be victims of 'over diagnosis'. Only you can decide if it's a risk worth running. (Source: British Medical Journal online edition, doi 10.1136/bmj.38764.572569.7C). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Last year, I was called back after my annual mammogram, underwent about about eight more films and ultrasound, until I sent a message back to the radiologist that he was probably seeing lymph nodes related to my CLL. I'll be seeing my internal medicine doctor for yearly physical next week and I know she'll want me to schedule another mammogram. With the increased risk for second tumors among CLL patients and my mother's death from breast cancer, I want to take it seriously, but I do not want to have excessive radiation, given it itself is a cause of breast cancer. Should I push to go straight to ultrasound or MRI? Any suggestions? Or am I overly concerned about the # of films? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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