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>Here is an article on colon health that might be of interest to all of you.

>Christel

>

>

>THE POLLUTED COLON: THE MOST WIDESPREAD PROBLEM

>THAT MD'S DON'T TELL YOU ABOUT, YET CAN BE NATURALLY

>CORRECTED RESULTING IN TERRIFIC HEALING AND A FLAT

>STOMACH.

>

>Dr. Bernard Jensen, D.C., PH.D., Nutritionist:

>

> " In the 50 years I've spent helping people to overcome illness,

>disability and disease, it has become crystal clear that poor

>bowel management lies at the root of most people's health

>problems. In treating over 300,000 patients, it is the bowel

>that invariably has to be cared for before any healing can take

>place. "

>

> A simple thing like cleansing and detoxifying the

>colon can produce tremendous benefits, eliminate many health

>disorders, restore normal bowel movements, lose weight and

>SHRINK OR ELIMINATE A POT BELLY resulting in a flatter

>stomach!

>

> A clean healthy colon is vital for a healthy life. Normal

>bowel movements, 2 to 3 a day are essential, yet many go only

>once every two days or three. A polluted colon practically invites cancer -

>in cancer patients, the colon is like a clogged, rotting sewer line.

>

> Colon cleansing was an accepted medical practice 70

>year ago, known to produce good health, yet now is completely

>abandoned (no money in it), replaced by drugs and surgery. Some

>therapists today can effect true healing with colon detoxification

>alone!

>

>THE MOST ABUSED AND NEGLECTED ORGAN

>

> During the past century we have introduced an avalanche

>of chemicals, pollutants and toxins into our food and body products

>that have over stressed the natural working order of the systems

>in the body and impared the functioning of vital organs. We are born

>with a clean, unabused, uniform colon. However, modern commercial

>diets with foreign substances, unnatural to the body, have caused

>the colon to become obstructed, distorted and engorged with toxic

>waste matter resulting in critical stress on the immune system and

>functions throughout the body.

>

>MOST POT BELLIES ARE CAUSED BY A POLLUTED

>SAGGING COLON

>

> Americans are known for their pot bellies. The reason:

>the colon that supports the stomach is sagging. The colon

>walls are lined with layers of fecal matter and mucous - filthy,

>black, toxic mucus, often the consistency of hard rubber.

>Blockage can be so severe, feces can barely pass through.

>Documented cases show this accumulated trash weighing up to

>40 lbs!

>

> There is a direct correlation between the condition of

>the intestinal tract and the overall functioning of the body. When

>the bowel fails to release all its waste, a toxic liquid enters the

>blood stream, organs, tissues, arteries, veins, lymph and then

>all cells. This autointoxication is at the root of all chronic illness.

>Colon blockage prevents nutrient absorption and almost no

>vitamins and minerals through regardless of how much one takes.

>

>THE MOST POWERFUL THING ONE SHOULD DO IS

>DETOXIFY AND REHABILITATE THE COLON

>

> By eliminating encrusted fecal matter accumulated

>over the years and stripping the mucus lining on the colon, you

>remove a major contributor to disease. Accumulated fecal matter

>causes the lymphatic system to become congested. During

>acute illness, a toxic lymph is usually present and prevents

>the white blood cells from fighting disease.

>

> Parasites, worms and harmful bacteria remain in the

>colon thriving on filth, rot and stagnant putrefactive matter.

>

> The body can be like a walking garbage can, carrying

>rotting matter in the colon for 5 to 10 years. But the bowel can

>again function efficiently for waste elimination and good nutrient

>absorption imperative to strong health and healing. This also

>allows friendly, beneficial bacteria to return safe from putrification.

>

> The solution is simple: throughly cleanse the colon to

>remove toxic debris and stop eating junk food, processed foods

>with unnatural substances. The body will respond with astonishing

>reversal and restore a state of excellent health for your general well

>being in life.

>

>**********

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Dear Greg,

Hold off on the liver cleanse until you have gotten back on solid food.

Then follow it exactly. Cutting the Epsom salts would be the worst thing to

do.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH

Colonoscopy

> Just got home from having a colonoscopy and have two findings:

> 1. The colon is inflamed from one end to the other (pan-colitis).

> 2. A stent (shunt) that has been in my common bile duct since 1991,

replaced every 8 months on average, was released by the bile duct and was

sitting in the colon, on its way out. The doctor said this was possibly a

good sign, that the duct has regained some elasticity and normal function.

>

> I've been wanting to get the stent out for some time so that I can do

liver cleansing, and it appears nature has given me a helping hand.

>

> I am thinking of doing a modified fast for the next several days in order

to reduce the inflammation and to stay away from foods that are behind the

inflammation in the colon, IMO.

>

> Any thoughts on how to go about this would be appreciated:

> I am planning on:

> 1. Liver cleanse, but because the liver has been ill for many years I

think I should do a partial cleanse - would using half the usual recommended

amounts of epsom salts etc. be adequate to start? Maybe even a quarter?

> 2. Fast on veg. juices and easily digested fruits for a few days.

> 3. Slowly go on solid foods over several days, especially raw foods

according to the Bircher-Benner approach.

> 4. Do o3 saunas and funnelling three times a week, plus r.i. 5. Use

magnetic pulser

> 6. Rebound.

>

> Any views would be appreciated.

>

> Greg

>

>

>

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Hi GC.

If it was me, I would do some slippery elm and chamomile tea everyday for a week

or so before doing a flush. They are really soothing and healthing to the

intestines. Also colostrum is very healing and soothing to the intestineal

walls. colon included. Maybe some aloe vera.

I am not a doctor. Just sharing what I would do in your circumstances, before

I did a liver flush. I have been told that bile is very irritating. Having a

shunt that kept a bile duct open so that it constantly dripped into the bowel

could be part of why the irritation is there. You might just want to give it a

little while, a week or so, to calm down.

And, when you do a flush you pass alot of bile, so that could just make the

inflamation worse.

I would definitely do as much of the recommended E Salts as you can. The less

you do the harder it is for your body to let go of the stones. So, less salts

means a harder job for the liver/gall bladder. And it makes it harder to

identify stones if you are not really cleaned out before hand. Less E salts

means more fecal matter covering stones. If you do enough e salts, then you

will be pretty emptied out and when the stones move out they will be floating

free on their own and easily identifiable. And you will move more stones.

The ever cautious

Donna

-----Original Message-----

Just got home from having a colonoscopy and have two findings:

1. The colon is inflamed from one end to the other (pan-colitis).

2. A stent (shunt) that has been in my common bile duct since 1991, replaced

every 8 months on average, was released by the bile duct and was sitting in the

colon, on its way out. The doctor said this was possibly a good sign, that the

duct has regained some elasticity and normal function.

I've been wanting to get the stent out for some time so that I can do liver

cleansing, and it appears nature has given me a helping hand.

I am thinking of doing a modified fast for the next several days in order to

reduce the inflammation and to stay away from foods that are behind the

inflammation in the colon, IMO.

Any thoughts on how to go about this would be appreciated:

I am planning on:

Any views would be appreciated.

Greg

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Dear Donna,

There should be almost no fecal material after the liver cleanse

because of the enema taken at the beginning.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH

Re: Colonoscopy

> Hi GC.

>

> If it was me, I would do some slippery elm and chamomile tea everyday for

a week or so before doing a flush. They are really soothing and healthing

to the intestines. Also colostrum is very healing and soothing to the

intestineal walls. colon included. Maybe some aloe vera.

>

> I am not a doctor. Just sharing what I would do in your circumstances,

before I did a liver flush. I have been told that bile is very irritating.

Having a shunt that kept a bile duct open so that it constantly dripped into

the bowel could be part of why the irritation is there. You might just want

to give it a little while, a week or so, to calm down.

>

> And, when you do a flush you pass alot of bile, so that could just make

the inflamation worse.

>

> I would definitely do as much of the recommended E Salts as you can. The

less you do the harder it is for your body to let go of the stones. So,

less salts means a harder job for the liver/gall bladder. And it makes it

harder to identify stones if you are not really cleaned out before hand.

Less E salts means more fecal matter covering stones. If you do enough e

salts, then you will be pretty emptied out and when the stones move out they

will be floating free on their own and easily identifiable. And you will

move more stones.

>

> The ever cautious

> Donna

> -----Original Message-----

>

>

> Just got home from having a colonoscopy and have two findings:

> 1. The colon is inflamed from one end to the other (pan-colitis).

> 2. A stent (shunt) that has been in my common bile duct since 1991,

replaced every 8 months on average, was released by the bile duct and was

sitting in the colon, on its way out. The doctor said this was possibly a

good sign, that the duct has regained some elasticity and normal function.

>

> I've been wanting to get the stent out for some time so that I can do

liver cleansing, and it appears nature has given me a helping hand.

>

> I am thinking of doing a modified fast for the next several days in

order to reduce the inflammation and to stay away from foods that are behind

the inflammation in the colon, IMO.

>

> Any thoughts on how to go about this would be appreciated:

> I am planning on:

>

> Any views would be appreciated.

>

> Greg

>

>

>

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Dear Donna,

There should be almost no fecal material after the liver cleanse

because of the enema taken at the beginning.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH

Re: Colonoscopy

> Hi GC.

>

> If it was me, I would do some slippery elm and chamomile tea everyday for

a week or so before doing a flush. They are really soothing and healthing

to the intestines. Also colostrum is very healing and soothing to the

intestineal walls. colon included. Maybe some aloe vera.

>

> I am not a doctor. Just sharing what I would do in your circumstances,

before I did a liver flush. I have been told that bile is very irritating.

Having a shunt that kept a bile duct open so that it constantly dripped into

the bowel could be part of why the irritation is there. You might just want

to give it a little while, a week or so, to calm down.

>

> And, when you do a flush you pass alot of bile, so that could just make

the inflamation worse.

>

> I would definitely do as much of the recommended E Salts as you can. The

less you do the harder it is for your body to let go of the stones. So,

less salts means a harder job for the liver/gall bladder. And it makes it

harder to identify stones if you are not really cleaned out before hand.

Less E salts means more fecal matter covering stones. If you do enough e

salts, then you will be pretty emptied out and when the stones move out they

will be floating free on their own and easily identifiable. And you will

move more stones.

>

> The ever cautious

> Donna

> -----Original Message-----

>

>

> Just got home from having a colonoscopy and have two findings:

> 1. The colon is inflamed from one end to the other (pan-colitis).

> 2. A stent (shunt) that has been in my common bile duct since 1991,

replaced every 8 months on average, was released by the bile duct and was

sitting in the colon, on its way out. The doctor said this was possibly a

good sign, that the duct has regained some elasticity and normal function.

>

> I've been wanting to get the stent out for some time so that I can do

liver cleansing, and it appears nature has given me a helping hand.

>

> I am thinking of doing a modified fast for the next several days in

order to reduce the inflammation and to stay away from foods that are behind

the inflammation in the colon, IMO.

>

> Any thoughts on how to go about this would be appreciated:

> I am planning on:

>

> Any views would be appreciated.

>

> Greg

>

>

>

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> If polyps are found, is this something Dr. K will also remove

during the

> open procedure or will it have to be done separately?

>

> Sincerely,

>

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This is something you will have to 'run' by Dr. K....but my best

guess would be that it would need to be a seperate procedure...with

the DS you are dividing the bowel but not going " into " the bowel.

You also have to worry about contamination. He would want to

minimize the exposure from the inside of the bowel to the abdominal

cavity. That would be my guess...But asking Dr. K is FREE so don't

hesitate to ask.

Jo

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> This is something you will have to 'run' by Dr. K....but my best

> guess would be that it would need to be a seperate

procedure...with

> the DS you are dividing the bowel but not going " into " the bowel.

> You also have to worry about contamination. He would want to

> minimize the exposure from the inside of the bowel to the

abdominal

> cavity. That would be my guess...But asking Dr. K is FREE so

don't

> hesitate to ask.

>

> Jo

~~~~~~~~~~~~

If he could have seen something during my procedure he would have

taken the polyps right then....

Still haven't heard from him about the red blood scan,will call

tmr and see what he has found out if anything yet.

still very tired,slept all day wed except for going with Ruth to

kmart and had to go sit down,did get my vitiams and viactic,

havent gotten iron pills yet as don't want to upset the tummy anymore

than it already is.

God bless,

Pat

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Is there a conflict between an ICD and the equipment used during a

colonoscopy? Does the ICD have to be shut down in case they need to remove a

polyp or do a biopsy? Anybody know?

Prelda

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Good question. My first GI doc said she needed a technician to turn off the

device and a cardiologist standing by just in case. I found another GI doc

who said, no problem. Apparently it has something to do with the instrument

they use to remove any polyps or to do biopsies. With an ICD, the doc said

he just wouldn't use the electronic thingamajig and, of course, it was done

in a hospital so there were cardiologists available just in case. I had the

procedure, he removed one polyp, the ICD was never turned off, and I had no

problems whatsoever.

Keep in mind that every person's situation is different so you really need

to consult with your doctors, including the electrophysiologist. If you

have one of those snotty " don't talk to me " kind of doctors, try to find a

better one. Remember that you pay the doctors therefore they work for you.

Another important consideration is the prep. The first doctor wanted me to

drink a gallon of some kind of liquid mixture to purge the bowels. The

second doc said it wasn't necessary...he instructed me to change my diet

for three days prior, then do a standard rectal enema. The danger in

drinking a gallon of that other stuff was the sodium content which could

have fluid overloaded me and created a possible congestive heart failure

problem.

After the procedure, I got some color photographs of the inside of my

colon. Because of the sedation, I didn't remember a thing.

> [Original Message]

> From: Adler <prelda@...>

> < >

> Date: 10/3/2004 6:48:11 AM

> Subject: Re: Colonoscopy

>

>

> Is there a conflict between an ICD and the equipment used during a

> colonoscopy? Does the ICD have to be shut down in case they need to

remove a

> polyp or do a biopsy? Anybody know?

> Prelda

>

>

>

>

> Please visit the Zapper homepage at

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I had a colonoscopy in August of this year, and the Medtronic rep did stop by to turn my ICD off. The "complication" I had was my blood pressure. The combination of the demerol and Versed (sp?) and the amount of both used was just too much for me and my blood pressure plunged downward and they had to call a cardiologist from the group that my EP is with to come in and treat me. He is at one of their satellite offices but had my records sent to him. Instead of an outpatient procedure, I got to spend the night, having my bp checked every half hour. One of the explanations given me by someone was that they had to give more demerol and Versed because they knew my level of anxiety and wanted to make sure I didn't wake up during the procedure (I have heard several people recount their experience in waking up during it). When I asked why I didn't have that problem when my EP did my implant and changed it, etc. and uses the same drugs, they said that he was able to also use a local anesthetic too so didn't have to use so much of the others. But it really was a "piece of cake" had my bp not gone down so low. I had a polyp removed too and there was absolutely no problem with any of that. I think another reason it may have dropped is that I had just recently began taking Coreg (rather than Atenelol), and I know that it makes me very sleepy.

You should be in and out of there in a matter of hours, though. Of course, now the prep part is an entirely different part of it....not fun!

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I can't offer you any Dr's names but I do know 6 people in my immediate family

that have had this procedure and none of them had any problems. I hope yours

goes as well. Keep us posted !!!

Sara

Colonoscopy

I saw my gastro doc today and he wants me to have a colonsocopy and endoscopy

in January. I questioned him about the safety etc. He told me that one out

of 1000 people have their intestions perforated during the procedure and

require stomach surgery. Ouch! To me, this is a terrible stastic. I asked

him

directly how many intestines he had perforated and he replied about 5 or 6,

ususally in people with colon cancer because of the thickness of the walls of

the

intestines..or something like that.

My question is...does anyone know if there are gastro doctors that have NOT

perforated any patient's intestines? Does 1 out of 1000 seem high? Any

feedback you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

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I was told, and can't test to it's validity in all circumstances, but that all

invasive procedures have smaller percentages of error at research hospitals as

compared to local/community hospitals. For the percentages for procedures that I

did look into, there was a dramatic difference in % error between research

hospitals and community hospitals. So personally I never have any of my upper or

lower endoscopies anywhere but at research facilities. I've had more than I can

count and never have any problem, however chemo and radiation increase the risk

of perferation. Of course, you know, there are some scary risks in all

procedures that you must be told about for insurance and liability reasons.

So, I don't know where your doctor is.... if you're in a University setting,

you're probably fine. I've had many many courses of chemo and all the radiation

I can have in the upper and lower GI areas and never have any problems

whatsoever.

I have NO IDEA whether 1/1000 is fairly standard. That stat is a very low,

non-scary number compared to other procedures I've weathered without any

problem, but the complications are scary ones.

The doctor said he's perferated 5 or 6.... has he/she been a doctor long

enough to have done 5000-6000 endoscopies?

At the end of the day, if you dont feel comfortable, at least see another

doctor (preferably at a research institution) and pretend you havent heard these

stat's.... ask all your questions again and see what the answers are.

I was scared to death for like the first 5 I had.... now it's just another day

at outpatient.

One time though, my third or fourth, I had a bad " feeling " that morning so I

called to reschedule. The doctor wasn't happy, but I felt better.

Don't let any advice here or in the doctors office override your own inner

voice, remembering of course, the procedure may help to save your life!

Wishing-you-well!

Tom and Sara Moorman <tsmoorman@...> wrote:

I can't offer you any Dr's names but I do know 6 people in my immediate family

that have had this procedure and none of them had any problems. I hope yours

goes as well. Keep us posted !!!

Sara

Colonoscopy

I saw my gastro doc today and he wants me to have a colonsocopy and endoscopy

in January. I questioned him about the safety etc. He told me that one out

of 1000 people have their intestions perforated during the procedure and

require stomach surgery. Ouch! To me, this is a terrible stastic. I asked

him

directly how many intestines he had perforated and he replied about 5 or 6,

ususally in people with colon cancer because of the thickness of the walls of

the

intestines..or something like that.

My question is...does anyone know if there are gastro doctors that have NOT

perforated any patient's intestines? Does 1 out of 1000 seem high? Any

feedback you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

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In a message dated 12/13/05 10:42:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,

bba41897@... writes:

> So, I don't know where your doctor is.... if you're in a University

> setting, you're probably fine.

No..it is a community hospital...I would have to drive to Albany and that is

a problem because you can't go alone. I will have to take my chances I guess.

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If this is your first colonoscopy---just relax. It isn't half as bad as you

might think. They give you something called conscious sedation. You will not

feel pain or remember the procedure. You should consult with the doctor and

YOUR FRIEND because you won't remember very much.

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In a message dated 1/4/06 6:43:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,

msfitnes01@... writes:

> Did you find any doctors you were comfortable with having do your

> colonoscopy?

I am scheduled at the end of the month...I will probably go ahead with it if

everything else goes well.

Having a tooth pulled tomorrow and just had a uterine cancer scare but

everything turned out OK.

Thanks for asking and thinking about me and the best of luck with your

situation.

Best,

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Hi , I'm working backwards thru the posts I haven't read in months! Did

you find any doctors you were comfortable with having do your colonoscopy? Did

you have the procedure yet?

I think the benefits of a colonoscopy far outweigh the risks. I had

colo-rectal cancer, which is the #2 killing cancer in the U.S. I had a team of

cancer doctors tell me my cancer would end my life. I fought the toughest

battle one can imagine to save my life.

I would recommend having a colonoscopy even if your doctor didn't. The ACS

recommends having a colonoscopy at age 50. I was diagnosed at 39. I think that

recommended age should be decreased by 20 years. I won't be 50 for another 7

years, but colon cancer already almost took my life 4 years ago!

None of my family members had any problems with their colonoscopies.

Ironically, I haven't had one. I'm sure my cancer doctors will order it soon

though!

All my best wishes .

Blessings,

Colonoscopy

My question is...does anyone know if there are gastro doctors that have NOT

perforated any patient's intestines? Does 1 out of 1000 seem high? Any

feedback you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

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Dear JT,

I don't know what polin is (my mother language is spanish)

and I am from Uruguay in SouthAmerica, but it doesn't matter.

I am 66 years old and I am alse been drinking regularly

KT for more than 5 years by now. No colds, better digestion,

enhanced memory and eyesight, hair loss stopped and so on.

Arnoldo

>

> I have been drinking Kombucha Tea for about 5 years off and on. I

> started to drink it regular. A coffee cup every day for about a

year. I

> had a colonoscopy just done. They found NO polin in my colon. The

> doctor told me to do what I have been doing. The only thing i have

been

> doing diferent is drinking Kombucha tea ever day. It must be

something

> to this kombucha tea thing. I am 72 year old male.

>

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Here is the Medicare coverage rule paraphrased by American Cancer

Society:

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/content/

NWS_1_1x_Medicare_Expands_Coverage_of_Colonoscopy_Screenings.asp

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Begin forwarded message:

> From: a Hall <shahall@...>

> Date: February 15, 2009 9:20:35 AM EST

> hyperaldosteronism

> Subject: Colonoscopy

> Reply-hyperaldosteronism

>

> Your colonoscopy should be done at a dedicated endoscopy unit, either

> within a hospital or freestanding.  It should not be done in a

> doctor's office.  It should be performed by a physician who

> specializes in gastroenterology or colorectal surgery.   While a

> few brave souls choose to have it done with no sedation, most

> people receive conscious sedation by a trained RN under the

> supervision of an MD or MAC anesthesia by an MDA or CRNA.  The prep is

> by far the worst part of the procedure. 

>  

> a

>

>

>

> From: kip_walls <okiedokietoday@...>

> Subject: Re: Adrenalectomy

> hyperaldosteronism

> Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 4:04 AM

>

> Since you have had prostate cancer, I would

> > definately have that colonoscopy!

>

> Does it matter who or where this is done! A local hospital is

> performing it per my md who is historically attached to this group

> perhaps as opposed to any particlular area of known expertise!

>

> I researched and picked my own dodctor outside of this good old boy

> network on the prostate cancer and type of treatment!

>

> I am not locked into them as far as insurance is concerned!

>

> I will check Mayo write up out! I haven't really researched this test!

> I do know medicare only covers it I think it was every 20 years or

> every two if cancer is a concern!

>

>

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Another couple of comments.  A flexible sigmoidoscopy is rarely done now since

it only tells you that you don't have polyps or colon cancer in your sigmoid

colon.  It does not visualize the  majority of the colon, where a polyp of

cancer may still be.  Plus, if a polyp is found in the sigmoid then a more

intense prep is need and a full colonoscopy must be done anyway.  A barium enema

is practically useless for diagnosing colon cancer and a stray piece of hard

stool against the wall of the colon can look just like a polyp on xray. 

 

You're absolutely right, the physician has a lot of discretion in interpreting

symptoms.  " Change in bowel habits " works well, and everyone does have intense

diarrhea prior to their scope  ;-)

 

a

 

 

 

 

From: jwwright <jwwright@...>

Subject: Re: colonoscopy

hyperaldosteronism

Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 1:50 PM

Thanks for that reference.

Just a comment.

I think the Dr. has a little discretion interpreting

symptoms.

So maybe those symptoms override the " prevention "

criteria.

For example, if the symptoms you encounter, let's say

with medications, maybe gut problems that indicate to

the Dr something they need to rule out.

The they might be able to order and get Medicare to pay

for a colonoscopy based un that uncertainty.

Perhaps that takes it out of the " prevention " category?

Regards

[hyperaldosteronism ] colonoscopy

Here is the actual Medicare rule updated March 2008:

http://www.medicare .gov/Health/ ColonCancer. asp

as99

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Thanks for that reference.

Just a comment.

I think the Dr. has a little discretion interpreting

symptoms.

So maybe those symptoms override the " prevention "

criteria.

For example, if the symptoms you encounter, let's say

with medications, maybe gut problems that indicate to

the Dr something they need to rule out.

The they might be able to order and get Medicare to pay

for a colonoscopy based un that uncertainty.

Perhaps that takes it out of the " prevention " category?

Regards

colonoscopy

Here is the actual Medicare rule updated March 2008:

http://www.medicare.gov/Health/ColonCancer.asp

as99

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Good to hear from you.

That is a real sodium load. Can you write the manufacturer and tell them your

experience and ask if they have had similar problems from others. Ask them to

give you the mgs or mEq of sodium in the preparation and if they have a low

sodium version.

Sounds like a good test for salt sensitivity. Maybe they want to patent that

use? ;-)

Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

On Wednesday, April 22, 2009, at 07:27PM, " Malotky " <leslie@...>

wrote:

>Hi everyone,

>

>

>

>I haven't posted in a VERY long time, but I'm still kicking! I had a

>colonoscopy today, all was well but I have to ask. what is the story with

>the prep solutions? I was prescribed MoviPrep which tasted like lemon

>flavored sea water. I knew after my first sip that I would be suffering

>more consequences than the intended colon cleansing. I woke up with a

>migraine and a BP of 176/116. I gave myself an injection for the migraine

>and took two Spiros, but by the time I was in the hospital my BP was up to

>214/104. There must be a better way to administer a routine procedure

>without sending your patient into stroke zone. Here are the MoviPrep

>contents:

>

>

>

>The entire, reconstituted, 2-liter MoviPrepR colon preparation contains 200

>grams of PEG-3350, 15 grams of sodium sulfate, 5.38 grams of sodium

>chloride, 2.03 grams of potassium chloride, 9.4 grams of ascorbic acid, and

>11.8 grams of sodium ascorbate plus the following excipients: aspartame

>(sweetener), acesulfame potassium (sweetener), and lemon flavoring.

>

>

>

>Any thoughts?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I just called them…. 2586 mg of sodium in the full prep – half of

which is consumed between 5:00 – 6:00 pm and the other half between 8:00 – 9:00

pm. They don’t have a low sodium version, but I did my own research yesterday

and found a lower sodium version by another company which it had its own set of

side effects. Hopefully I won’t have to worry about it again for 10 years and

something better will have come along by then!

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of lowerbp2

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 8:39 AM

hyperaldosteronism

Subject: Re: colonoscopy

Good to hear from you.

That is a real sodium load. Can you write the manufacturer and tell them your

experience and ask if they have had similar problems from others. Ask them to

give you the mgs or mEq of sodium in the preparation and if they have a low

sodium version.

Sounds like a good test for salt sensitivity. Maybe they want to patent that

use? ;-)

Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

On Wednesday, April 22, 2009, at 07:27PM, " Malotky " <leslie@...> wrote:

>Hi everyone,

>

>

>

>I haven't posted in a VERY long time, but I'm still kicking! I had a

>colonoscopy today, all was well but I have to ask. what is the story with

>the prep solutions? I was prescribed MoviPrep which tasted like lemon

>flavored sea water. I knew after my first sip that I would be suffering

>more consequences than the intended colon cleansing. I woke up with a

>migraine and a BP of 176/116. I gave myself an injection for the migraine

>and took two Spiros, but by the time I was in the hospital my BP was up to

>214/104. There must be a better way to administer a routine procedure

>without sending your patient into stroke zone. Here are the MoviPrep

>contents:

>

>

>

>The entire, reconstituted, 2-liter MoviPrepR colon preparation contains 200

>grams of PEG-3350, 15 grams of sodium sulfate, 5.38 grams of sodium

>chloride, 2.03 grams of potassium chloride, 9.4 grams of ascorbic acid, and

>11.8 grams of sodium ascorbate plus the following excipients: aspartame

>(sweetener), acesulfame potassium (sweetener), and lemon flavoring.

>

>

>

>Any thoughts?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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That seems low to me but guess they know what they are talking about.

The 5.38 gms of sodium chloride would be

5.36 x 23/(23+37) = 5.36/23/60 = 5.36 x 60/23 = 1400 mg about what you need for

the whole day for a dash.

Rest of sodium must come from other goodies in there.

The purpose of it is to give an osmotic diarrhea to clean you out.

One brand is Go-Litely which always gives me a laugh.

Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

On Thursday, April 23, 2009, at 09:28AM, " Malotky " <leslie@...>

wrote:

>I just called them.. 2586 mg of sodium in the full prep - half of which is

>consumed between 5:00 - 6:00 pm and the other half between 8:00 - 9:00 pm.

>They don't have a low sodium version, but I did my own research yesterday

>and found a lower sodium version by another company which it had its own set

>of side effects. Hopefully I won't have to worry about it again for 10

>years and something better will have come along by then!

>

>

>

>From: hyperaldosteronism

>[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of lowerbp2

>Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 8:39 AM

>hyperaldosteronism

>Subject: Re: colonoscopy

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>Good to hear from you.

>

>That is a real sodium load. Can you write the manufacturer and tell them

>your experience and ask if they have had similar problems from others. Ask

>them to give you the mgs or mEq of sodium in the preparation and if they

>have a low sodium version.

>

>Sounds like a good test for salt sensitivity. Maybe they want to patent that

>use? ;-)

>

>Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

>

>On Wednesday, April 22, 2009, at 07:27PM, " Malotky " <leslie@...

><mailto:leslie%40wi.rr.com> > wrote:

>>Hi everyone,

>>

>>

>>

>>I haven't posted in a VERY long time, but I'm still kicking! I had a

>>colonoscopy today, all was well but I have to ask. what is the story with

>>the prep solutions? I was prescribed MoviPrep which tasted like lemon

>>flavored sea water. I knew after my first sip that I would be suffering

>>more consequences than the intended colon cleansing. I woke up with a

>>migraine and a BP of 176/116. I gave myself an injection for the migraine

>>and took two Spiros, but by the time I was in the hospital my BP was up to

>>214/104. There must be a better way to administer a routine procedure

>>without sending your patient into stroke zone. Here are the MoviPrep

>>contents:

>>

>>

>>

>>The entire, reconstituted, 2-liter MoviPrepR colon preparation contains 200

>>grams of PEG-3350, 15 grams of sodium sulfate, 5.38 grams of sodium

>>chloride, 2.03 grams of potassium chloride, 9.4 grams of ascorbic acid, and

>>11.8 grams of sodium ascorbate plus the following excipients: aspartame

>>(sweetener), acesulfame potassium (sweetener), and lemon flavoring.

>>

>>

>>

>>Any thoughts?

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

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What a terrible experience.

I would be terrified of taking in all that salt.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Malotky

I gave myself an injection for the migraine and took two

Spiros, but by the time I was in the hospital my BP was up to 214/104.

There must be a better way to administer a routine procedure without sending

your patient into stroke zone. Here are the MoviPrep contents:

The

entire, reconstituted, 2-liter MoviPrep® colon preparation contains 200

grams of PEG-3350, 15 grams of sodium sulfate, 5.38 grams of sodium chloride,

2.03 grams of potassium chloride, 9.4 grams of ascorbic acid, and 11.8 grams of

sodium ascorbate plus the following excipients: aspartame (sweetener),

acesulfame potassium (sweetener), and lemon flavoring.

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Does anyone have an opinion based on research or experience

with CLL re. how often those with CLL should have a

colonoscopy? I had one surgeon I was seeing over the years

offer the opinion that it should be every 5 yrs. based on

our pre-disposition to be more susceptible to getting other

cancers. I seem to be in that group since I have had both

endometrial CA and CLL. I did have a colonoscopy 5.5 yrs ago

and am trying to decide if I should have another soon. It is

an invasive procedure and the clean out is not too pleasant

so I don't want to have one if not needed at this time. I

would love to hear from our expert MD's on this one. Perhaps

others have the same question.

Thanks,

R

Adks NY and AZ

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