Guest guest Posted March 17, 2001 Report Share Posted March 17, 2001 Re: Colonoscopy >Here is an article on colon health that might be of interest to all of you. >Christel > > >THE POLLUTED COLON: THE MOST WIDESPREAD PROBLEM >THAT MD'S DON'T TELL YOU ABOUT, YET CAN BE NATURALLY >CORRECTED RESULTING IN TERRIFIC HEALING AND A FLAT >STOMACH. > >Dr. Bernard Jensen, D.C., PH.D., Nutritionist: > > " In the 50 years I've spent helping people to overcome illness, >disability and disease, it has become crystal clear that poor >bowel management lies at the root of most people's health >problems. In treating over 300,000 patients, it is the bowel >that invariably has to be cared for before any healing can take >place. " > > A simple thing like cleansing and detoxifying the >colon can produce tremendous benefits, eliminate many health >disorders, restore normal bowel movements, lose weight and >SHRINK OR ELIMINATE A POT BELLY resulting in a flatter >stomach! > > A clean healthy colon is vital for a healthy life. Normal >bowel movements, 2 to 3 a day are essential, yet many go only >once every two days or three. A polluted colon practically invites cancer - >in cancer patients, the colon is like a clogged, rotting sewer line. > > Colon cleansing was an accepted medical practice 70 >year ago, known to produce good health, yet now is completely >abandoned (no money in it), replaced by drugs and surgery. Some >therapists today can effect true healing with colon detoxification >alone! > >THE MOST ABUSED AND NEGLECTED ORGAN > > During the past century we have introduced an avalanche >of chemicals, pollutants and toxins into our food and body products >that have over stressed the natural working order of the systems >in the body and impared the functioning of vital organs. We are born >with a clean, unabused, uniform colon. However, modern commercial >diets with foreign substances, unnatural to the body, have caused >the colon to become obstructed, distorted and engorged with toxic >waste matter resulting in critical stress on the immune system and >functions throughout the body. > >MOST POT BELLIES ARE CAUSED BY A POLLUTED >SAGGING COLON > > Americans are known for their pot bellies. The reason: >the colon that supports the stomach is sagging. The colon >walls are lined with layers of fecal matter and mucous - filthy, >black, toxic mucus, often the consistency of hard rubber. >Blockage can be so severe, feces can barely pass through. >Documented cases show this accumulated trash weighing up to >40 lbs! > > There is a direct correlation between the condition of >the intestinal tract and the overall functioning of the body. When >the bowel fails to release all its waste, a toxic liquid enters the >blood stream, organs, tissues, arteries, veins, lymph and then >all cells. This autointoxication is at the root of all chronic illness. >Colon blockage prevents nutrient absorption and almost no >vitamins and minerals through regardless of how much one takes. > >THE MOST POWERFUL THING ONE SHOULD DO IS >DETOXIFY AND REHABILITATE THE COLON > > By eliminating encrusted fecal matter accumulated >over the years and stripping the mucus lining on the colon, you >remove a major contributor to disease. Accumulated fecal matter >causes the lymphatic system to become congested. During >acute illness, a toxic lymph is usually present and prevents >the white blood cells from fighting disease. > > Parasites, worms and harmful bacteria remain in the >colon thriving on filth, rot and stagnant putrefactive matter. > > The body can be like a walking garbage can, carrying >rotting matter in the colon for 5 to 10 years. But the bowel can >again function efficiently for waste elimination and good nutrient >absorption imperative to strong health and healing. This also >allows friendly, beneficial bacteria to return safe from putrification. > > The solution is simple: throughly cleanse the colon to >remove toxic debris and stop eating junk food, processed foods >with unnatural substances. The body will respond with astonishing >reversal and restore a state of excellent health for your general well >being in life. > >********** > > >Subscription email: >mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2001 Report Share Posted June 20, 2001 Dear Greg, Hold off on the liver cleanse until you have gotten back on solid food. Then follow it exactly. Cutting the Epsom salts would be the worst thing to do. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH Colonoscopy > Just got home from having a colonoscopy and have two findings: > 1. The colon is inflamed from one end to the other (pan-colitis). > 2. A stent (shunt) that has been in my common bile duct since 1991, replaced every 8 months on average, was released by the bile duct and was sitting in the colon, on its way out. The doctor said this was possibly a good sign, that the duct has regained some elasticity and normal function. > > I've been wanting to get the stent out for some time so that I can do liver cleansing, and it appears nature has given me a helping hand. > > I am thinking of doing a modified fast for the next several days in order to reduce the inflammation and to stay away from foods that are behind the inflammation in the colon, IMO. > > Any thoughts on how to go about this would be appreciated: > I am planning on: > 1. Liver cleanse, but because the liver has been ill for many years I think I should do a partial cleanse - would using half the usual recommended amounts of epsom salts etc. be adequate to start? Maybe even a quarter? > 2. Fast on veg. juices and easily digested fruits for a few days. > 3. Slowly go on solid foods over several days, especially raw foods according to the Bircher-Benner approach. > 4. Do o3 saunas and funnelling three times a week, plus r.i. 5. Use magnetic pulser > 6. Rebound. > > Any views would be appreciated. > > Greg > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 Hi GC. If it was me, I would do some slippery elm and chamomile tea everyday for a week or so before doing a flush. They are really soothing and healthing to the intestines. Also colostrum is very healing and soothing to the intestineal walls. colon included. Maybe some aloe vera. I am not a doctor. Just sharing what I would do in your circumstances, before I did a liver flush. I have been told that bile is very irritating. Having a shunt that kept a bile duct open so that it constantly dripped into the bowel could be part of why the irritation is there. You might just want to give it a little while, a week or so, to calm down. And, when you do a flush you pass alot of bile, so that could just make the inflamation worse. I would definitely do as much of the recommended E Salts as you can. The less you do the harder it is for your body to let go of the stones. So, less salts means a harder job for the liver/gall bladder. And it makes it harder to identify stones if you are not really cleaned out before hand. Less E salts means more fecal matter covering stones. If you do enough e salts, then you will be pretty emptied out and when the stones move out they will be floating free on their own and easily identifiable. And you will move more stones. The ever cautious Donna -----Original Message----- Just got home from having a colonoscopy and have two findings: 1. The colon is inflamed from one end to the other (pan-colitis). 2. A stent (shunt) that has been in my common bile duct since 1991, replaced every 8 months on average, was released by the bile duct and was sitting in the colon, on its way out. The doctor said this was possibly a good sign, that the duct has regained some elasticity and normal function. I've been wanting to get the stent out for some time so that I can do liver cleansing, and it appears nature has given me a helping hand. I am thinking of doing a modified fast for the next several days in order to reduce the inflammation and to stay away from foods that are behind the inflammation in the colon, IMO. Any thoughts on how to go about this would be appreciated: I am planning on: Any views would be appreciated. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 Dear Donna, There should be almost no fecal material after the liver cleanse because of the enema taken at the beginning. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH Re: Colonoscopy > Hi GC. > > If it was me, I would do some slippery elm and chamomile tea everyday for a week or so before doing a flush. They are really soothing and healthing to the intestines. Also colostrum is very healing and soothing to the intestineal walls. colon included. Maybe some aloe vera. > > I am not a doctor. Just sharing what I would do in your circumstances, before I did a liver flush. I have been told that bile is very irritating. Having a shunt that kept a bile duct open so that it constantly dripped into the bowel could be part of why the irritation is there. You might just want to give it a little while, a week or so, to calm down. > > And, when you do a flush you pass alot of bile, so that could just make the inflamation worse. > > I would definitely do as much of the recommended E Salts as you can. The less you do the harder it is for your body to let go of the stones. So, less salts means a harder job for the liver/gall bladder. And it makes it harder to identify stones if you are not really cleaned out before hand. Less E salts means more fecal matter covering stones. If you do enough e salts, then you will be pretty emptied out and when the stones move out they will be floating free on their own and easily identifiable. And you will move more stones. > > The ever cautious > Donna > -----Original Message----- > > > Just got home from having a colonoscopy and have two findings: > 1. The colon is inflamed from one end to the other (pan-colitis). > 2. A stent (shunt) that has been in my common bile duct since 1991, replaced every 8 months on average, was released by the bile duct and was sitting in the colon, on its way out. The doctor said this was possibly a good sign, that the duct has regained some elasticity and normal function. > > I've been wanting to get the stent out for some time so that I can do liver cleansing, and it appears nature has given me a helping hand. > > I am thinking of doing a modified fast for the next several days in order to reduce the inflammation and to stay away from foods that are behind the inflammation in the colon, IMO. > > Any thoughts on how to go about this would be appreciated: > I am planning on: > > Any views would be appreciated. > > Greg > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 Dear Donna, There should be almost no fecal material after the liver cleanse because of the enema taken at the beginning. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH Re: Colonoscopy > Hi GC. > > If it was me, I would do some slippery elm and chamomile tea everyday for a week or so before doing a flush. They are really soothing and healthing to the intestines. Also colostrum is very healing and soothing to the intestineal walls. colon included. Maybe some aloe vera. > > I am not a doctor. Just sharing what I would do in your circumstances, before I did a liver flush. I have been told that bile is very irritating. Having a shunt that kept a bile duct open so that it constantly dripped into the bowel could be part of why the irritation is there. You might just want to give it a little while, a week or so, to calm down. > > And, when you do a flush you pass alot of bile, so that could just make the inflamation worse. > > I would definitely do as much of the recommended E Salts as you can. The less you do the harder it is for your body to let go of the stones. So, less salts means a harder job for the liver/gall bladder. And it makes it harder to identify stones if you are not really cleaned out before hand. Less E salts means more fecal matter covering stones. If you do enough e salts, then you will be pretty emptied out and when the stones move out they will be floating free on their own and easily identifiable. And you will move more stones. > > The ever cautious > Donna > -----Original Message----- > > > Just got home from having a colonoscopy and have two findings: > 1. The colon is inflamed from one end to the other (pan-colitis). > 2. A stent (shunt) that has been in my common bile duct since 1991, replaced every 8 months on average, was released by the bile duct and was sitting in the colon, on its way out. The doctor said this was possibly a good sign, that the duct has regained some elasticity and normal function. > > I've been wanting to get the stent out for some time so that I can do liver cleansing, and it appears nature has given me a helping hand. > > I am thinking of doing a modified fast for the next several days in order to reduce the inflammation and to stay away from foods that are behind the inflammation in the colon, IMO. > > Any thoughts on how to go about this would be appreciated: > I am planning on: > > Any views would be appreciated. > > Greg > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 > If polyps are found, is this something Dr. K will also remove during the > open procedure or will it have to be done separately? > > Sincerely, > ============================= This is something you will have to 'run' by Dr. K....but my best guess would be that it would need to be a seperate procedure...with the DS you are dividing the bowel but not going " into " the bowel. You also have to worry about contamination. He would want to minimize the exposure from the inside of the bowel to the abdominal cavity. That would be my guess...But asking Dr. K is FREE so don't hesitate to ask. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 > > This is something you will have to 'run' by Dr. K....but my best > guess would be that it would need to be a seperate procedure...with > the DS you are dividing the bowel but not going " into " the bowel. > You also have to worry about contamination. He would want to > minimize the exposure from the inside of the bowel to the abdominal > cavity. That would be my guess...But asking Dr. K is FREE so don't > hesitate to ask. > > Jo ~~~~~~~~~~~~ If he could have seen something during my procedure he would have taken the polyps right then.... Still haven't heard from him about the red blood scan,will call tmr and see what he has found out if anything yet. still very tired,slept all day wed except for going with Ruth to kmart and had to go sit down,did get my vitiams and viactic, havent gotten iron pills yet as don't want to upset the tummy anymore than it already is. God bless, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Is there a conflict between an ICD and the equipment used during a colonoscopy? Does the ICD have to be shut down in case they need to remove a polyp or do a biopsy? Anybody know? Prelda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Good question. My first GI doc said she needed a technician to turn off the device and a cardiologist standing by just in case. I found another GI doc who said, no problem. Apparently it has something to do with the instrument they use to remove any polyps or to do biopsies. With an ICD, the doc said he just wouldn't use the electronic thingamajig and, of course, it was done in a hospital so there were cardiologists available just in case. I had the procedure, he removed one polyp, the ICD was never turned off, and I had no problems whatsoever. Keep in mind that every person's situation is different so you really need to consult with your doctors, including the electrophysiologist. If you have one of those snotty " don't talk to me " kind of doctors, try to find a better one. Remember that you pay the doctors therefore they work for you. Another important consideration is the prep. The first doctor wanted me to drink a gallon of some kind of liquid mixture to purge the bowels. The second doc said it wasn't necessary...he instructed me to change my diet for three days prior, then do a standard rectal enema. The danger in drinking a gallon of that other stuff was the sodium content which could have fluid overloaded me and created a possible congestive heart failure problem. After the procedure, I got some color photographs of the inside of my colon. Because of the sedation, I didn't remember a thing. > [Original Message] > From: Adler <prelda@...> > < > > Date: 10/3/2004 6:48:11 AM > Subject: Re: Colonoscopy > > > Is there a conflict between an ICD and the equipment used during a > colonoscopy? Does the ICD have to be shut down in case they need to remove a > polyp or do a biopsy? Anybody know? > Prelda > > > > > Please visit the Zapper homepage at > http://www.ZapLife.org > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 I had a colonoscopy in August of this year, and the Medtronic rep did stop by to turn my ICD off. The "complication" I had was my blood pressure. The combination of the demerol and Versed (sp?) and the amount of both used was just too much for me and my blood pressure plunged downward and they had to call a cardiologist from the group that my EP is with to come in and treat me. He is at one of their satellite offices but had my records sent to him. Instead of an outpatient procedure, I got to spend the night, having my bp checked every half hour. One of the explanations given me by someone was that they had to give more demerol and Versed because they knew my level of anxiety and wanted to make sure I didn't wake up during the procedure (I have heard several people recount their experience in waking up during it). When I asked why I didn't have that problem when my EP did my implant and changed it, etc. and uses the same drugs, they said that he was able to also use a local anesthetic too so didn't have to use so much of the others. But it really was a "piece of cake" had my bp not gone down so low. I had a polyp removed too and there was absolutely no problem with any of that. I think another reason it may have dropped is that I had just recently began taking Coreg (rather than Atenelol), and I know that it makes me very sleepy. You should be in and out of there in a matter of hours, though. Of course, now the prep part is an entirely different part of it....not fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 I can't offer you any Dr's names but I do know 6 people in my immediate family that have had this procedure and none of them had any problems. I hope yours goes as well. Keep us posted !!! Sara Colonoscopy I saw my gastro doc today and he wants me to have a colonsocopy and endoscopy in January. I questioned him about the safety etc. He told me that one out of 1000 people have their intestions perforated during the procedure and require stomach surgery. Ouch! To me, this is a terrible stastic. I asked him directly how many intestines he had perforated and he replied about 5 or 6, ususally in people with colon cancer because of the thickness of the walls of the intestines..or something like that. My question is...does anyone know if there are gastro doctors that have NOT perforated any patient's intestines? Does 1 out of 1000 seem high? Any feedback you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 I was told, and can't test to it's validity in all circumstances, but that all invasive procedures have smaller percentages of error at research hospitals as compared to local/community hospitals. For the percentages for procedures that I did look into, there was a dramatic difference in % error between research hospitals and community hospitals. So personally I never have any of my upper or lower endoscopies anywhere but at research facilities. I've had more than I can count and never have any problem, however chemo and radiation increase the risk of perferation. Of course, you know, there are some scary risks in all procedures that you must be told about for insurance and liability reasons. So, I don't know where your doctor is.... if you're in a University setting, you're probably fine. I've had many many courses of chemo and all the radiation I can have in the upper and lower GI areas and never have any problems whatsoever. I have NO IDEA whether 1/1000 is fairly standard. That stat is a very low, non-scary number compared to other procedures I've weathered without any problem, but the complications are scary ones. The doctor said he's perferated 5 or 6.... has he/she been a doctor long enough to have done 5000-6000 endoscopies? At the end of the day, if you dont feel comfortable, at least see another doctor (preferably at a research institution) and pretend you havent heard these stat's.... ask all your questions again and see what the answers are. I was scared to death for like the first 5 I had.... now it's just another day at outpatient. One time though, my third or fourth, I had a bad " feeling " that morning so I called to reschedule. The doctor wasn't happy, but I felt better. Don't let any advice here or in the doctors office override your own inner voice, remembering of course, the procedure may help to save your life! Wishing-you-well! Tom and Sara Moorman <tsmoorman@...> wrote: I can't offer you any Dr's names but I do know 6 people in my immediate family that have had this procedure and none of them had any problems. I hope yours goes as well. Keep us posted !!! Sara Colonoscopy I saw my gastro doc today and he wants me to have a colonsocopy and endoscopy in January. I questioned him about the safety etc. He told me that one out of 1000 people have their intestions perforated during the procedure and require stomach surgery. Ouch! To me, this is a terrible stastic. I asked him directly how many intestines he had perforated and he replied about 5 or 6, ususally in people with colon cancer because of the thickness of the walls of the intestines..or something like that. My question is...does anyone know if there are gastro doctors that have NOT perforated any patient's intestines? Does 1 out of 1000 seem high? Any feedback you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 In a message dated 12/13/05 10:42:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, bba41897@... writes: > So, I don't know where your doctor is.... if you're in a University > setting, you're probably fine. No..it is a community hospital...I would have to drive to Albany and that is a problem because you can't go alone. I will have to take my chances I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 If this is your first colonoscopy---just relax. It isn't half as bad as you might think. They give you something called conscious sedation. You will not feel pain or remember the procedure. You should consult with the doctor and YOUR FRIEND because you won't remember very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 In a message dated 1/4/06 6:43:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, msfitnes01@... writes: > Did you find any doctors you were comfortable with having do your > colonoscopy? I am scheduled at the end of the month...I will probably go ahead with it if everything else goes well. Having a tooth pulled tomorrow and just had a uterine cancer scare but everything turned out OK. Thanks for asking and thinking about me and the best of luck with your situation. Best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Hi , I'm working backwards thru the posts I haven't read in months! Did you find any doctors you were comfortable with having do your colonoscopy? Did you have the procedure yet? I think the benefits of a colonoscopy far outweigh the risks. I had colo-rectal cancer, which is the #2 killing cancer in the U.S. I had a team of cancer doctors tell me my cancer would end my life. I fought the toughest battle one can imagine to save my life. I would recommend having a colonoscopy even if your doctor didn't. The ACS recommends having a colonoscopy at age 50. I was diagnosed at 39. I think that recommended age should be decreased by 20 years. I won't be 50 for another 7 years, but colon cancer already almost took my life 4 years ago! None of my family members had any problems with their colonoscopies. Ironically, I haven't had one. I'm sure my cancer doctors will order it soon though! All my best wishes . Blessings, Colonoscopy My question is...does anyone know if there are gastro doctors that have NOT perforated any patient's intestines? Does 1 out of 1000 seem high? Any feedback you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Dear JT, I don't know what polin is (my mother language is spanish) and I am from Uruguay in SouthAmerica, but it doesn't matter. I am 66 years old and I am alse been drinking regularly KT for more than 5 years by now. No colds, better digestion, enhanced memory and eyesight, hair loss stopped and so on. Arnoldo > > I have been drinking Kombucha Tea for about 5 years off and on. I > started to drink it regular. A coffee cup every day for about a year. I > had a colonoscopy just done. They found NO polin in my colon. The > doctor told me to do what I have been doing. The only thing i have been > doing diferent is drinking Kombucha tea ever day. It must be something > to this kombucha tea thing. I am 72 year old male. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Here is the Medicare coverage rule paraphrased by American Cancer Society: http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/content/ NWS_1_1x_Medicare_Expands_Coverage_of_Colonoscopy_Screenings.asp ======================================================================== ===================================== Begin forwarded message: > From: a Hall <shahall@...> > Date: February 15, 2009 9:20:35 AM EST > hyperaldosteronism > Subject: Colonoscopy > Reply-hyperaldosteronism > > Your colonoscopy should be done at a dedicated endoscopy unit, either > within a hospital or freestanding. It should not be done in a > doctor's office. It should be performed by a physician who > specializes in gastroenterology or colorectal surgery.  While a > few brave souls choose to have it done with no sedation, most > people receive conscious sedation by a trained RN under the > supervision of an MD or MAC anesthesia by an MDA or CRNA. The prep is > by far the worst part of the procedure. >  > a > > > > From: kip_walls <okiedokietoday@...> > Subject: Re: Adrenalectomy > hyperaldosteronism > Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 4:04 AM > > Since you have had prostate cancer, I would > > definately have that colonoscopy! > > Does it matter who or where this is done! A local hospital is > performing it per my md who is historically attached to this group > perhaps as opposed to any particlular area of known expertise! > > I researched and picked my own dodctor outside of this good old boy > network on the prostate cancer and type of treatment! > > I am not locked into them as far as insurance is concerned! > > I will check Mayo write up out! I haven't really researched this test! > I do know medicare only covers it I think it was every 20 years or > every two if cancer is a concern! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Another couple of comments. A flexible sigmoidoscopy is rarely done now since it only tells you that you don't have polyps or colon cancer in your sigmoid colon.  It does not visualize the majority of the colon, where a polyp of cancer may still be. Plus, if a polyp is found in the sigmoid then a more intense prep is need and a full colonoscopy must be done anyway. A barium enema is practically useless for diagnosing colon cancer and a stray piece of hard stool against the wall of the colon can look just like a polyp on xray.  You're absolutely right, the physician has a lot of discretion in interpreting symptoms. " Change in bowel habits " works well, and everyone does have intense diarrhea prior to their scope ;-)  a     From: jwwright <jwwright@...> Subject: Re: colonoscopy hyperaldosteronism Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 1:50 PM Thanks for that reference. Just a comment. I think the Dr. has a little discretion interpreting symptoms. So maybe those symptoms override the " prevention " criteria. For example, if the symptoms you encounter, let's say with medications, maybe gut problems that indicate to the Dr something they need to rule out. The they might be able to order and get Medicare to pay for a colonoscopy based un that uncertainty. Perhaps that takes it out of the " prevention " category? Regards [hyperaldosteronism ] colonoscopy Here is the actual Medicare rule updated March 2008: http://www.medicare .gov/Health/ ColonCancer. asp as99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Thanks for that reference. Just a comment. I think the Dr. has a little discretion interpreting symptoms. So maybe those symptoms override the " prevention " criteria. For example, if the symptoms you encounter, let's say with medications, maybe gut problems that indicate to the Dr something they need to rule out. The they might be able to order and get Medicare to pay for a colonoscopy based un that uncertainty. Perhaps that takes it out of the " prevention " category? Regards colonoscopy Here is the actual Medicare rule updated March 2008: http://www.medicare.gov/Health/ColonCancer.asp as99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Good to hear from you. That is a real sodium load. Can you write the manufacturer and tell them your experience and ask if they have had similar problems from others. Ask them to give you the mgs or mEq of sodium in the preparation and if they have a low sodium version. Sounds like a good test for salt sensitivity. Maybe they want to patent that use? ;-) Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD On Wednesday, April 22, 2009, at 07:27PM, " Malotky " <leslie@...> wrote: >Hi everyone, > > > >I haven't posted in a VERY long time, but I'm still kicking! I had a >colonoscopy today, all was well but I have to ask. what is the story with >the prep solutions? I was prescribed MoviPrep which tasted like lemon >flavored sea water. I knew after my first sip that I would be suffering >more consequences than the intended colon cleansing. I woke up with a >migraine and a BP of 176/116. I gave myself an injection for the migraine >and took two Spiros, but by the time I was in the hospital my BP was up to >214/104. There must be a better way to administer a routine procedure >without sending your patient into stroke zone. Here are the MoviPrep >contents: > > > >The entire, reconstituted, 2-liter MoviPrepR colon preparation contains 200 >grams of PEG-3350, 15 grams of sodium sulfate, 5.38 grams of sodium >chloride, 2.03 grams of potassium chloride, 9.4 grams of ascorbic acid, and >11.8 grams of sodium ascorbate plus the following excipients: aspartame >(sweetener), acesulfame potassium (sweetener), and lemon flavoring. > > > >Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 I just called them…. 2586 mg of sodium in the full prep – half of which is consumed between 5:00 – 6:00 pm and the other half between 8:00 – 9:00 pm. They don’t have a low sodium version, but I did my own research yesterday and found a lower sodium version by another company which it had its own set of side effects. Hopefully I won’t have to worry about it again for 10 years and something better will have come along by then! From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of lowerbp2 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 8:39 AM hyperaldosteronism Subject: Re: colonoscopy Good to hear from you. That is a real sodium load. Can you write the manufacturer and tell them your experience and ask if they have had similar problems from others. Ask them to give you the mgs or mEq of sodium in the preparation and if they have a low sodium version. Sounds like a good test for salt sensitivity. Maybe they want to patent that use? ;-) Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD On Wednesday, April 22, 2009, at 07:27PM, " Malotky " <leslie@...> wrote: >Hi everyone, > > > >I haven't posted in a VERY long time, but I'm still kicking! I had a >colonoscopy today, all was well but I have to ask. what is the story with >the prep solutions? I was prescribed MoviPrep which tasted like lemon >flavored sea water. I knew after my first sip that I would be suffering >more consequences than the intended colon cleansing. I woke up with a >migraine and a BP of 176/116. I gave myself an injection for the migraine >and took two Spiros, but by the time I was in the hospital my BP was up to >214/104. There must be a better way to administer a routine procedure >without sending your patient into stroke zone. Here are the MoviPrep >contents: > > > >The entire, reconstituted, 2-liter MoviPrepR colon preparation contains 200 >grams of PEG-3350, 15 grams of sodium sulfate, 5.38 grams of sodium >chloride, 2.03 grams of potassium chloride, 9.4 grams of ascorbic acid, and >11.8 grams of sodium ascorbate plus the following excipients: aspartame >(sweetener), acesulfame potassium (sweetener), and lemon flavoring. > > > >Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 That seems low to me but guess they know what they are talking about. The 5.38 gms of sodium chloride would be 5.36 x 23/(23+37) = 5.36/23/60 = 5.36 x 60/23 = 1400 mg about what you need for the whole day for a dash. Rest of sodium must come from other goodies in there. The purpose of it is to give an osmotic diarrhea to clean you out. One brand is Go-Litely which always gives me a laugh. Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD On Thursday, April 23, 2009, at 09:28AM, " Malotky " <leslie@...> wrote: >I just called them.. 2586 mg of sodium in the full prep - half of which is >consumed between 5:00 - 6:00 pm and the other half between 8:00 - 9:00 pm. >They don't have a low sodium version, but I did my own research yesterday >and found a lower sodium version by another company which it had its own set >of side effects. Hopefully I won't have to worry about it again for 10 >years and something better will have come along by then! > > > >From: hyperaldosteronism >[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of lowerbp2 >Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 8:39 AM >hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: colonoscopy > > > > > > > > >Good to hear from you. > >That is a real sodium load. Can you write the manufacturer and tell them >your experience and ask if they have had similar problems from others. Ask >them to give you the mgs or mEq of sodium in the preparation and if they >have a low sodium version. > >Sounds like a good test for salt sensitivity. Maybe they want to patent that >use? ;-) > >Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD > >On Wednesday, April 22, 2009, at 07:27PM, " Malotky " <leslie@... ><mailto:leslie%40wi.rr.com> > wrote: >>Hi everyone, >> >> >> >>I haven't posted in a VERY long time, but I'm still kicking! I had a >>colonoscopy today, all was well but I have to ask. what is the story with >>the prep solutions? I was prescribed MoviPrep which tasted like lemon >>flavored sea water. I knew after my first sip that I would be suffering >>more consequences than the intended colon cleansing. I woke up with a >>migraine and a BP of 176/116. I gave myself an injection for the migraine >>and took two Spiros, but by the time I was in the hospital my BP was up to >>214/104. There must be a better way to administer a routine procedure >>without sending your patient into stroke zone. Here are the MoviPrep >>contents: >> >> >> >>The entire, reconstituted, 2-liter MoviPrepR colon preparation contains 200 >>grams of PEG-3350, 15 grams of sodium sulfate, 5.38 grams of sodium >>chloride, 2.03 grams of potassium chloride, 9.4 grams of ascorbic acid, and >>11.8 grams of sodium ascorbate plus the following excipients: aspartame >>(sweetener), acesulfame potassium (sweetener), and lemon flavoring. >> >> >> >>Any thoughts? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 What a terrible experience. I would be terrified of taking in all that salt. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Malotky I gave myself an injection for the migraine and took two Spiros, but by the time I was in the hospital my BP was up to 214/104. There must be a better way to administer a routine procedure without sending your patient into stroke zone. Here are the MoviPrep contents: The entire, reconstituted, 2-liter MoviPrep® colon preparation contains 200 grams of PEG-3350, 15 grams of sodium sulfate, 5.38 grams of sodium chloride, 2.03 grams of potassium chloride, 9.4 grams of ascorbic acid, and 11.8 grams of sodium ascorbate plus the following excipients: aspartame (sweetener), acesulfame potassium (sweetener), and lemon flavoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 Does anyone have an opinion based on research or experience with CLL re. how often those with CLL should have a colonoscopy? I had one surgeon I was seeing over the years offer the opinion that it should be every 5 yrs. based on our pre-disposition to be more susceptible to getting other cancers. I seem to be in that group since I have had both endometrial CA and CLL. I did have a colonoscopy 5.5 yrs ago and am trying to decide if I should have another soon. It is an invasive procedure and the clean out is not too pleasant so I don't want to have one if not needed at this time. I would love to hear from our expert MD's on this one. Perhaps others have the same question. Thanks, R Adks NY and AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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