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Hi ,

Do you have any idea what Cancer Centers are doing standard serum

level testing in the US now? Are certain nationwide labs being

taught how to conduct the test yet?

It sure would be nice to have every CML patient do a study to

compare PCR results vs dosage and serum level.

I have always felt that for my body, 400 mg was too much, and I

suffer the side effects as well. I'm PCRU but I am sick most of my

days. (In a nutshell!) I'm a stay at home Mom. I don't work

because my days are so unpredictable with the side effects. Up and

down like a rollercoaster! I also don't get Disability because I

was diagnosed while raising children and not working. Isn't our

system great?

I have young children, and don't want to risk my PCR status messing

with lowering my dose, until I see the serum level test results.

When you find out any more about this, can you please let our group

know?

It would be very much appreciated! Many thanks for all you do!

Lynn

--- In , Rockefeller <rrockef1@...>

wrote:

>

> > Posted by: " Cam " coralee.williams@...

> >

> > Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:22 pm (PST)

> >

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > Right now my doctor has me on 200mg of Gleevec due to low blood

counts. I want

> > to convince him that I need a higher dose. Where can I find

articles or info

> > where some top cml doctors have said that low doses are not

good? I have been

> > looking online but I can't seem to find anything.

> >

> > Cam

>

> Cam,

>

> It is possible that due to a slowed metabolism or some other

mechanism, you

> could be achieving a therapeutic serum level if IM (Gleevec) on

200mg/ day.

> In that case you're at no greater risk of resistance than are

those of us

> who take 400mg/day. Not only that, but you'd be achieving the same

efficacy

> at half the cost and, potentially, half the side effects!

>

> Moreover, I know of no actual evidence that taking less than the

standard

> dose of IM (Gleevec) causes resistance. HOWEVER (and this is a big

> however), if your IM serum level is sub-therapeutic, there are

still strong

> theoretical reasons to be concerned that resistance could become a

problem

> over time.

>

> When IM was first approved, Novartis asserted that serum levels

hardly

> varied from patient to patient, and for this reason (and probably

others

> which they haven't revealed) they have refused, until recently, to

make

> their test for IM serum level available. A number of senior CML

researchers,

> including Druker, feel this is misguided, and I agree,

Fortunately, I

> gather that recently Novartis has indeed released the test to some

centers,

> but it's my opinion that the test should be made available to ALL

patients

> who can't tolerate standard doses (and also for patients who

experience a

> suboptimal response at 400mg. It may be that a subset of these

patients

> just don't get enough of the drug into their bloodstream, rather

than having

> resistant or insensitive CML cells. If the former, there are

probably safer

> and easier ways to achieve therapeutic levels than doubling the IM

dose - so

> for in these cases too, serum levels would be desirable). Anyway,

you might

> find out whether your doctor has access to the newly available

serum levels.

> If so, and you could determine that your IM serum level was

therapeutic on

> 200 mg, then you'd be home free on that dose.

>

> It's more likely that this is not the case, however, and that you

simply

> can't tolerate 400 mg. Two other options are still available to

you if

> that's the case. The more conventional and almost certainly the

preferable

> one would be a switch to Sprycel.

>

> If you couldn't tolerate this drug either though, you might then

consider a

> pulse regimen, which might well be just as tolerable as a

continuous low

> dose such as you're now on, and (I firmly believe) more effective

and safer.

> Here's how, if I were in your shoes and in control of my own

management, I

> would go about designing such a regimen:

>

> First, I'd stop IM altogether and follow weekly CBCs until my

blood counts

> (red or white, whichever are most troublesomely suppressed)

rebounded to a

> reasonable level. Then I'd restart at 400mg and continue until the

counts

> dropped too far, then stop again. I would repeat cycle this AS

LONG AS I

> could stay on IM for at least one, and preferably two months at a

time ---

> AND as long as I were regularly able to keep my breaks to six

weeks or less.

> Treatment periods less than a month might be to short to kill

leukemia

> cells, while drug holidays longer than 6 weeks might give the

disease long

> long enough to start relapsing.

>

> So there you have my two bits. I hope you find them useful - or

at least

> interesting!

>

> R

>

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