Re: On combination T3/T4 and having problems

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:21:27 -0000, you wrote:

> I feel that my body is missing the T4 as I am only taking 50mcgs. I'm finding

it all v confusing and difficult to manage. My Endo suggested that if I went

hyper I was to stop the T3 and go back on 100mcgs. However This advice was given

on him thinking I was taking 40mcgs daily! Can't imagine I would ever reach that

dose!

I'm wondering about the state of your adrenals and your iron levels?

Nick

[Guest guest]

Hi Nick Thanks for your response

I have had adrenals tested four months ago and the results were

Sampl 1 14.9 (12-22)

Sample 2 5.5 (5.00-9.0)

Sample 3 1.1 (3.00-7.0)

Sample 4 0.9 (1.0-3.0)

DHEA Mean 0.31 (0.20-0.70)

DHEA Cortisol Ratio 1.38 (0.6-3.0)

I also had short Syn test and results came bacl ok.

My B12 is low in range and I have been taking supplement and it has increased

well in the last month. My folate was also low in range and I'm taking

supplements.

All my other iron bloods are fine and ok in the range.

My last results on T4 100mcgs taken in Nov are as follows

TSH 0.06 (0.20-6.00) its been supressed for the last 8 mths.

FT4 16.4 (10-25)

FT3 3.5 (3-6.2)

Because I was feeling so ill with many hypo symptoms and my T3 is low i thought

the addition of T3 would be a good way to go and luckily my Endo supported my

plea!

HaHan

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> > I feel that my body is missing the T4 as I am only taking 50mcgs. I'm

finding it all v confusing and difficult to manage.

>

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:25:54 -0000, you wrote:

>

>Hi Nick Thanks for your response

>I have had adrenals tested four months ago and the results were

>Sampl 1 14.9 (12-22)

>Sample 2 5.5 (5.00-9.0)

>Sample 3 1.1 (3.00-7.0)

>Sample 4 0.9 (1.0-3.0)

They are mighty low, enough to cause problems, have you done anything

about them?

>DHEA Mean 0.31 (0.20-0.70)

>DHEA Cortisol Ratio 1.38 (0.6-3.0)

>I also had short Syn test and results came bacl ok.

>My B12 is low in range and I have been taking supplement and it has increased

well in the last month. My folate was also low in range and I'm taking

supplements.

>All my other iron bloods are fine and ok in the range.

Iron " in range " or OK??

http://thyroid-rt3.com/iron.htm talks about iron labs

>

>My last results on T4 100mcgs taken in Nov are as follows

>TSH 0.06 (0.20-6.00) its been supressed for the last 8 mths.

>FT4 16.4 (10-25)

>FT3 3.5 (3-6.2)

Horribly hypo, you are not converting

>Because I was feeling so ill with many hypo symptoms and my T3 is low i thought

the addition of T3 would be a good way to go and luckily my Endo supported my

plea!

The way to go, if you are getting these symptoms they are intolerance

rather than hyper and you need to locate and treat the cause of the

intolerance, adrenals are a big suspect with those saliva results

http://thyroid-rt3.com/adrenals.htm

talks about adrenals, some temperature checks as per Dr Rind on your

current thyroid dose of T3 would be a good start.

Nick

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Han, your body doesn't use T4 - it has to convert to the active

thyroid hormone T3 - this is the hormone your body uses. If you were converting

the T4 into T3 well, you wouldn't need T3. I still believe you could be

suffering one of the associated conditions that goes along with hypothyroidism

that is stopping the thyroid hormone from getting into your cells and is

probably lying in your blood with nowhere to go and giving you the symptoms of

toxicity. EVERYTHING mentioned in the document I posted previously should be

thoroughly checked to ensure this is not the case.

Remind us of your thyroid function test results when you were

taking synthetic thyroxine only.

Luv - Sheila

My Endo has recently put me on T3/t4 and I am

feeling more unwell trying to introduce T3. I would very much appreciate any

advice/suggestions please.

I was previously taking 100mcgs Thyroxine for many years but during the last 6 mths

I have had symptoms of hyper/ hypo and have had many changes to T4 and various

tests over the 6 mths. Only thing that has come up so far is deficiency in Vit

D - I'm taking supplement.

My Endo eventually agreed to try adding T3. He prescribed 20mcgs twice a day

along with 50mcg T4.

As the dose of T3 prescribed is very hefty I have been cautious with the

introduction of T3. I started with 5mcgs twice a day for 4 days and then

increased to 5mcgs x 3 daily. However I felt ?hyper- headache, worse fatigue and

a feeling of being spaced out. I then went a day without taking any T3 and have

just started on 5mcgs again this am. I feel that my body is missing the T4 as I

am only taking 50mcgs. I'm finding it all v confusing and difficult to manage.

My Endo suggested that if I went hyper I was to stop the T3 and go back on

100mcgs. However This advice was given on him thinking I was taking 40mcgs

daily! Can't imagine I would ever reach that dose!

Thanks

Han

[Guest guest]

Hi Nick thanks again four your helpful comments. Other than taking Vit C

,selenium , folic acid,B12 I am not taking adrenal support. What do you

suggest? Would Nutri Adrenal Extract be ok as a place to start? I am worried to

begin adding another pill whilst I'm trying to tolerate T3 but if it's necessary

I will indeed heed advice. My pulse has been low for the past 6 mths while I

have been unwell, usually around 50 - 55 With the addition of T3 it has picked

up slightly getting to 66. My Temp likewise has been v low usually 35.9 - 36.3 -

Even though I brought this to the attention of GP and Endo and produced a

monthly graph of T and P they never really seemed that interested! Since

starting T3 (even though I have only had a small amount) my temp is now around

36.6

I do agree with you that I am probably experiencing intolerance to T3 and I

would once again value your input

Han

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> >Hi Nick Thanks for your response

> >I have had adrenals tested four months ago and the results were

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

Thanks for your reply

My last results on T4 100mcgs taken in Nov are as follows

TSH 0.06 (0.20-6.00) its been supressed for the last 8 mths.

FT4 16.4 (10-25)

FT3 3.5 (3-6.2)

Nick has wondered if my adrenals need supporting as when I had the saliva test

done four months ago I was low in the range on various readings.

Han

[Guest guest]

Han, if you have an adrenal problem, it matters not how much

thyroid hormone you are taking - it can't be properly absorbed into the cells

until your adrenal problem has been sorted - so you need to find out how bad (or

good) your adrenals are. If you cannot afford the 24 hour salivary adrenal

profile done by Genova - then do the Adrenal Questionnaire that is in the

Adrenal FOLDER (you can get there by clicking FILES in the Menu on the Home

Page of this forum. After you have done the questionnaire and got your score,

let us know what this is. At the same time, do the 'Home Testing' to see how

you score there too. If you score high, then you need to start taking Nutri

Adrenal Extra (see our FILES section again and scroll down to 'Discounts on

Tests and Supplements' and click on 'Nutri Ltd' where TPA members can get 33%

discount.

It is best, if possible, when starting to boost your adrenals to

stop all thyroid hormone replacement for a few days and just take one Nutri

Adrenal Extra with your breakfast. After 7 days, start taking your thyroid

hormone replacement again and add another NAE with your lunch (you don't take

any NAE after 1.00p.m.) In another 7 to 9 days, add another tablet with your

breakfast and keep increasing in this way until you start to positively feel

better and stay on that dose for a while. Some people do fine on 2 tablets

daily, others need 3 or 4, but you can take up to 6 tablets daily if your

adrenals are really low.

Only THEN will your thyroid hormone start working properly.

However, you must not forget that you need also to ensure your

ferritin, B12, D3, magnesium, folate, copper and zinc levels also need to be at

the right level too.

Do you know if there is a possibility you might be suffering

with Candida? I may have asked this question before but can't remember the

answer.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Nick thanks again four your helpful

comments. Other than taking Vit C ,selenium , folic acid,B12 I am not taking

adrenal support. What do you suggest? Would Nutri Adrenal Extract be ok as a

place to start? I am worried to begin adding another pill whilst I'm trying to

tolerate T3 but if it's necessary I will indeed heed advice. My pulse has been

low for the past 6 mths while I have been unwell, usually around 50 - 55 With

the addition of T3 it has picked up slightly getting to 66. My Temp likewise

has been v low usually 35.9 - 36.3 - Even though I brought this to the

attention of GP and Endo and produced a monthly graph of T and P they never

really seemed that interested! Since starting T3 (even though I have only had a

small amount) my temp is now around 36.6

I do agree with you that I am probably experiencing intolerance to T3 and I

would once again value your input

Han

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[Guest guest]

Then you definitely need to start taking Nutri Adrenal Extra

with high dose vitamin C and Siberian Ginseng which you can buy from your

health food store. If you telephone at Nutri Ltd and tell him you are a

member of TPA you will get your discount and you will receive the tablets

tomorrow as they send out their goodies immediately.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila

Thanks for your reply

My last results on T4 100mcgs taken in Nov are as follows

TSH 0.06 (0.20-6.00) its been supressed for the last 8 mths.

FT4 16.4 (10-25)

FT3 3.5 (3-6.2)

Nick has wondered if my adrenals need supporting as when I had the saliva test

done four months ago I was low in the range on various readings.

Han