Re: test results for hormone and natural thyroid help please

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From: thyroid treatment

[mailto:thyroid treatment ] On Behalf Of dawnwise1964

Sent: 11 February 2011 12:59

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Subject: Re: test results for hormone and

natural thyroid help please

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You need to repost the message Dawn - but I have done it for you

here. Can anybody help Dawn please? I am not around for a little while.

Luv - sheila

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anyone help with these results please?

I had asked for all the tests you recommended, but my GP said that, if

something was wrong, then he would get the others done later. I also had a

battle with him for hormone tests as my symptons would indicate estrogen

dominance. He said he would do them but I'm not sure what these results mean or

even if he did them. Also, I did not do them on any particular day of my period

cycle - would that give a false reading? He said that any day is OK - but I'm

worried. I'm getting some thyroid headaches from time to time and dry face, but

apart from that doing fine. I realise I have to work on my adrenals and take it

easy. My GP would like me back on Levothyroxine, and I feel that he would offer

me a bit more help as he's " a little unsure of all this natural stuff " .

I'd

appreciate any help.

I am reasonably OK but have some adrenal issues and taking:

4 x NAX

3 x natural thyroid

4 x 1000 vit c

zinc 25 mg

copper 2 mg

selium 200 pg

co Q 10 30mg

omega 3 3000 mg

approx 50mcg iodine

evening primrose 2000

Also sole daily

ROUTINE HORMONE TESTS

JN - peri-menopausal

Serum LH level 7.3UI/l

Serum FSH level 14.9 UI/l

Serum prolactin level 349 mIU/l (102 -496)

Serum testosterone 1.2nmoI/l (0.3 - 1.7)

SHBG HI 174nmol/l (20 - 130)

Comment Hirsutism - random specimen long standing. Random specimen not

overweight.

Serum folate 16ng/ml (2.1 -20)

Serum ferritin 75.0 ng/ml (11.0 - 307)

B12 404ng/l (180-914)

Serum TSH level LO 0.02 mU/L (0.30 - 5.50)

Serum free triiodothyronine level 6.4 pmol/L (3.9 - 6.8)

Serum free T4 level 14.2 pmol/L (12.0 - 22.0)

Thanks for any help.

D

From: thyroid treatment

[mailto:thyroid treatment ] On Behalf Of dawnwise1964

Sent: 11 February 2011 12:59

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Hello Dawn,

I wish I could help interpret the hormone tests for you, but I don't know anything about that – so I hope somebody else will be able to help.

All the supplements you are taking with your NT (Naturethroid, I assume?) sound fine to me. Keep it up. Your thyroid test result looks pretty good. TSH is suppressed, but that is perfectly all right (I know, your doctor won't like it, but don't worry about it. I promise, there is no danger). Your F3 level is where it should be and your FT4 is a little on the low side, but that is to be expected, since the ratio of T4:T3 in natural thyroid medication is higher than a healthy thyroid gland would project – this is nothing to worry about, we hypos need a bit more of the active T3. So TFT's look perfect to my mind. If you wanted to make your GP a happy man , you could offer to take a little Levothyroxine in addition to your NT (like 25 mcg) and take that at night. It might have the added advantage to make you sleep like a baby and bring your FT4 up a bit. You don't have to – but it might appease your GP. I used to do that for a while, but after 2 months or so the T4 gave me pains in my legs, so I stopped it again.... still, it showed "good will" <g>

Your folate is a good level, but you may want to supplement iron. At 75 it's not a bad level, but 100 would be better ) Likewise, a B12 of 404 is sort of ok, but not good. A good level would be a the top of the range. The best (and very effective) B12 supplementation is from Solgar

http://www.solgar.co.uk/product/vitamin-b-12-1000ug-nuggets-250-E3230.html

http://www.solgar.co.uk/product/vitamin-b-12-1000ug-nuggets-100-E3229.html

Don't let your doctor dissuade you from taking natural desiccated thyroid. He may be a `little unsure about all this natural stuff' – but we are not. It's the best medication there is for hypothyroidism. Rome wasn't built in a day, and getting completely well with hypothyroidism takes time – between 1 and 3 years, if my own experience is anything to go by, but getting better all along the line.

Best wishes,

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what jumps out is

> SHBG HI 174nmol/l (20 - 130)

Comment Hirsutism - random specimen long standing. Random specimen not

overweight.

shbg = sex hormone binding gloubulin and yours is over the top of the rnage

http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C654345.html

perhaps your liver is struggling a bit due to estrogen dominance ...maybe you

are low on progesterone ...it would be a good idea to get those two tested to

see what the ratio is.

trish

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Thanks for the reply ,

Im going to try to raise the levels you suggested. My GP left a note on my

results regarding the TSH saying " abnormal but acceptable for this patient as

she self manages " which gave me the impression that he might perhaps know that

a surpressed TSH is acceptable with Natural Dessicated Thyroid?

I'm very interested to try raising my ft4 and you mentioned that I may sleep

better? Does adding Levo help sleep or is it the fact that the Levo raises the

ft4 and this aids sleep? I would love a good nights sleep.

Do you think I might struggle to get my GP prescribing additional Levo,

especially if the TSH is currently supressed and continues to be surpressed for

the rest of my life?

Also, if I add a small amount of Levo, should I initially reduce my Natural

Dessicated Thyroid by a small amount?

I think my GP would like to have me taking some Levothyroxine again...... that

way he can attribute my good health to the Levothyroxine ;-)

Thanks you very much

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Hello Dawn,

My GP left a note on myresults regarding the TSH saying "abnormal but acceptable for this patient asshe self manages" which gave me the impression that he might perhaps know thata surpressed TSH is acceptable with Natural Dessicated Thyroid?

A suppressed TSH is acceptable not just for patients on natural thyroid medication, but for all patients on thyroid medication. It is not the TSH that is of any importance once a patient is on medication, but the FT3 and FT4. As long as those figures are not above the norm, there is no risk to the patient (my own TSH has been <0.03 for the past 2 years and that will never change) .... and I am sure that your GP is aware of that, only he doesn't want to go against the grain and dictates of the RCP and BTA (Royal College of Physicians and British Thyroid Association) - perhaps he has a mortgage to pay and a family to support too.....

I'm very interested to try raising my ft4 and you mentioned that I may sleepbetter? Does adding Levo help sleep or is it the fact that the Levo raises theft4 and this aids sleep?

It might not work for everyone, but it did work for me. Studies have shown that taking T4 at night is better absorbed, but why it works (for me) like a sleeping pill, I have no idea )

Do you think I might struggle to get my GP prescribing additional Levo,especially if the TSH is currently supressed and continues to be surpressed forthe rest of my life?I shouldn't think so – it will probably make him a happy man that you have come round to "his way of thinking" <bg> Just be firm that you do not want to add more than 25 mcg to your current medication, and `only' because you would like to raise your FT4 (which is too low). It does not matter a hoot actually that your FT4 is low, as long as your FT3 is up at the top, but some people feel better with a reasonable FT4; the main consideration is that you show your GP that you are `willing' .... and, as I said, it may give you a better quality of sleep .... no guarantees though )

Also, if I add a small amount of Levo, should I initially reduce my NaturalDessicated Thyroid by a small amount?I would try it in addition, but if after a week or two you feel it is too much, then cut back a little. You will probably find that it makes no difference to the way you feel – just watch your body, it will tell you.

Good luck,

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You could add say, 25mcgs T4 and yes, take it when you go to bed

on an empty stomach, but I doubt that will be sufficient to help make you

sleep. Keep on the same dose of thyroid extract you are taking at the moment

though as this will be in addition. You could well have high cortisol levels at

night, when they should be at their lowest level in the range, so that might be

the reason you are being kept awake. You need the 24 hour salivary adrenal

profile done by Genova (TPA members get a discount on their tests) to see where

your cortisol and DHEA levels lie at 8.00a.m. - 12 noon - 4.00p.m. and again at

midnight. Once the results are back, we can then help you further.

Have you considered Melatonin 3mgs taken half an hour before you

go to bed. Make sure the bedroom is pitch black and that there are no street

lights streaming through your window as melatonin works best in complete

darkness. You can buy this from Biovea as a slow release tablet that keeps

working through the night http://www.biovea.co.uk/(S(rvjtlvizos5lhn452irkcr45))/product_detail.aspx?PID=1135 & CID=0 & OS=204

Luv - Sheila

Im going to try to raise the levels you suggested. My GP left a note on my

results regarding the TSH saying " abnormal but acceptable for this patient

as she self manages " which gave me the impression that he might perhaps

know that a surpressed TSH is acceptable with Natural Dessicated Thyroid?

I'm very interested to try raising my ft4 and you mentioned that I may sleep

better? Does adding Levo help sleep or is it the fact that the Levo raises the

ft4 and this aids sleep? I would love a good nights sleep.

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