Question : need thoughts please

[Guest guest]

Hi All

I spoke to Dr Peatfield yesterday, he said he thought it was thyroid and that

this had down regulated everything including pituitary, metaboilsm etc.

He said to start off on 1/2 grain of NDT for 10 days, and also take Isocort. I

have started this.

I feel rather warm today, a bit too stimulated, will this pass?

Thanks

Chris

[Guest guest]

feel too hot today, also got major major carb cravings - much worse than usual.

is this likely to be low cortisol?

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> Hi All

>

> I spoke to Dr Peatfield yesterday, he said he thought it was thyroid and that

this had down regulated everything including pituitary, metaboilsm etc.

>

> He said to start off on 1/2 grain of NDT for 10 days, and also take Isocort.

I have started this.

>

> I feel rather warm today, a bit too stimulated, will this pass?

>

> Thanks

>

> Chris

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[Guest guest]

What else are you taking and could this be related to the

treatment for low testosterone? Could it be because you are taking NDT with

your testosterone medication - are there any indications that these two should

not be taken together anywhere? Try cutting the NDT by half a tablet and take

half in the morning and half in the afternoon. I doubt the NDT would cause

major carb. cravings though in such a short time.

Luv - Sheila

feel too hot today, also got major major carb

cravings - much worse than usual.

is this likely to be low cortisol?

[Guest guest]

i think it is adrenal stress sheila. if people are on testosterone then

alternative thinking is that adrenals need to be supported, as they do if you

take thyroid.

dr peatfield suggested isocort. i guess i need to back off thyroid for a while.

thanks

chris

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> What else are you taking and could this be related to the treatment

> for low testosterone? Could it be because you are taking NDT with your

[Guest guest]

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guess you are correct Chris. I would use Isocort for a couple of weeks and then

introduce the NDT back in again, but splitting the half grain into two doses

throughout the day. Don't take anywhere near to any iron or calcium

supplements.

PS

- and don't laugh, but I was actually dreaming about you last night, I only

wish I could remember how you came into my dreams and whether it was good or

bad. I have started dreaming a LOT lately, but think I am a bit stressed out

these days.

Luv

- Sheila

i think it is adrenal stress sheila. if people

are on testosterone then alternative thinking is that adrenals need to be

supported, as they do if you take thyroid.

dr peatfield suggested isocort. i guess i need to back off thyroid for a while.

thanks

chris

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

Thanks for your thoughts on this, i think you are right. I have metabolic

syndrome too (which involves insulin resistance amongst other things), and

higher than usual cortisol can be a factor in this, so i don't know that my

cortisol is actually low or high right now. it really could be either. i don't

really want to have to spend more money which i can ill afford, but i have

ordered an adrenal saliva kit from genova.

from what i've read though, sometimes people can have normal cortisol (as

determined by a 24 hr urinary free cortisol test) but have low saliva cortisol

because the cortisol is cleared from the body quickly. i don't know if this is

right but that's what one source said. if i have high saliva cortisol though

then there's no need to supplement isocort i'd have thought. i started the

iscort yesterday and i seemed worse; of course this could have been anything,

low cortisol, high cortisol (apparently carb cravings can be either low or high

cortisol and i sure felt very very stressed yesterday), allergy (i am very

sensitive to many ingredients), thyroid thing too. we shall have to see. a

couple of years ago when i started armour i felt very well within a day or two,

but then when i put up the HC, that's when i felt worse.

in the meantime i shall take supplements that might help with inflammation (eg

DHA), as abdominal fat apparently causes a great amount of inflammation in the

body, and this raises cortisol (or demand for cortisol) more. what a mess. the

only thing that does seem to help for sure is testosterone, though it's effects

now are a lot less than when i first started it. it is all very draining trying

to sort all this out and keep up hope.

re: dreams, I hope you can relax more if you are stressed; it sounds like you

work very hard with this forum and TPA generally - i really don't know how you

do it, i sure couldn't cope with it. I hope you can get some time off to

yourself to rest if you need it (i know the feeling of getting too stressed).

with thanks and best wishes

chris

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>

> PS - and don't laugh, but I was actually dreaming about you last night, I

> only wish I could remember how you came into my dreams and whether it was

> good or bad. I have started dreaming a LOT lately, but think I am a bit

> stressed out these days.

>

[Guest guest]

How are you feeling now and did you change your medication

because of how you felt.

Luv - Sheila

I spoke to Dr Peatfield yesterday, he said he thought it was thyroid and that

this had down regulated everything including pituitary, metaboilsm etc.

He said to start off on 1/2 grain of NDT for 10 days, and also take Isocort. I

have started this.

I feel rather warm today, a bit too stimulated, will this pass?

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

I only saw this today.

Ok well i don't know what's going on. Backed off thyroid for a few days, felt

not good, so added in a little bit: 1/4 grain. This was yesterday, today i did

not take any. Yesterday i felt dreadful, too hot etc. Today i feel not good

either. From 1/4 grain?

last week i did initially feel better for taking thyroid but then felt bad again

after a few days of taking it. Ok in my mind i think this means either i'm

normally verging on hyperthyroid, or i cannot tolerate any thyroid hormone -

maybe my body's pushing maxing out thyroid itself knowing how much it can use?

(thoughts welcome on that?)

If it's some kind of receptor problem, i can think of two things.

one is i have some kind of toxicity, maybe mercury preventing thyroid uptake

into the cell. If it can't get into the cell then i guess it'll pool in the

blood and give these symptoms

second theory is this:

last week i read that pregnenolone could help the adrenals, and other hormonal

systems plus i did the hergothe quetionnaire that said i sounded low in it. so

i put a dose (15mg) on my arm for a few days (it's a cream).

I gather that pregnenolone can convert to dhea or progesterone. appafrently

pregnenolone converts into what's needed where it's needed (tho some people

dispute this). googling today i read that too much estrogen can affect thyroid

receptors. progesterone apparently brings them back on line.

http://www.migraine101.com/thyroid.htm

" Estrogen Dominance (too much estrogen) causes hypothyroid by lowering the

thyroid receptor sensitivity, NOT by lowering the thyroid blood levels. Taking

progesterone cream and avoiding xenoestrogens and phytoestrogens wakes up the

thyroid receptor after 3-6 months and the hypothyroid goes away. Weight falls

off without dieting or exercise. Sugar cravings go away. Hair begins to thicken

for most people "

ok this article is aimed at women, but men have estrogen - men with abdominal

fat have too much estrogen. men also need progesterone in low levels too

right?

so thoughts are:

a) pregnenolone has converted into something that doesn't agree with me, or i

took too much (took none today but still got bad symptoms, inc feeling v hot, so

not sure this is correct theory)

pregnenolone has maybe bought some thyroid receptors back on line causing

lots of thyroid to suddenly be used?

c) even tho i didn't take any thyroid for nearly 24 hours i'm still hyperthyroid

technically

d) something else going on, not sure what.

grateful for any thoughts....

chris

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> How are you feeling now and did you change your medication because of

> how you felt.

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