Re: Taking NAX etc and temps

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do you have any risk factors (such as large neck) for sleep apnea? has this been

ruled out?

Chris

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Hi, temps and TSh show that you are not yet on sufficient thyroid replacement- this should then reduce your sleep needs. It is very early days for you- there are no quick fixes ,Adrenals before thyroid is the safe way to go. Please be patient- after all he got me well after 17 years of poor health. > thyroid treatment > From: eiji.shinjo@...> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:06:14 +0000> Subject: Taking NAX etc and temps> > I've been following Dr. P's advice since Jan 2011 and am on week 3 of his protocol of taking 4 NAX, 3 1g VitC, 1 CoQ10, 1 TC, 1 NT. He said I don't need to see him again and only need to send a diary and letter after 6 weeks of treatment and then he will send the second part of the treatment plan to me.> > I've felt a little better but there is hardly any difference in my quality of sleep which is my MAJOR problem. I dream a lot and need to get up ATLEAST once to go to the bathroom and always get up 4-5 hours after sleeping even if I don't need to go to the bathroom.> > Even if I stay in bed for 12 hours it feels I've only slept 6 or 7 hours and feel tired throughout the day. I can't even handle stress as it makes my sleep even worse. Only thing that improves the quality of sleep is if I have sex before sleeping. Next day morning body temp can be as high as 36.7 C and even rise to 37.0 C at bedtime.> > Dr P was sceptical at first that I had adrenal problems (he said it is probably Hashimotos) as my Genova adrenal saliva test was as follows and he said it wasn't too bad:> > 10AM - 7.1 (12-22)> 2PM - 8.7 (5-9)> 7PM - 4.1 (3-7)> 11PM - 2.1 (1-3)> > Total Daily Cortisol: 22 (21-41)> > He then did the postural hypotension test and my systolic dropped by 20mmHg and that was when he was sure that my adrenals are not working properly.> > Thyroid test results were as follows:> > TT4 83.4 (58-154)> TSH 2.00 (0.4-4.0)> FT4 13.8 (10-22)> FT3 5.85 (2.8-6.5)> FT4:FT3 Ratio 2.4 Low (2.0-4.5)> TG <20> TPO <20> > Basal temperatures before taking supplements in Jan 2011:> > Day 1: Bedtime 36.3 C> Awake 35.6 C> > > Day 5: Bedtime 36.0 C> Awake 36.0 C> > Average BP: 130/80> Average pulse: 74BPM> > My body temp goes under 36.0 C especially when I haven't had a good nights sleep. I've tried 3mg time release Melatonin by Swanton but it doesn't help. I've also tried GABA and that did calm me a bit but sleep problems remained.> > Can anyone recommend anything natural (not benzos etc) that will improve the quality of my sleep and keep me asleep? I feel like I'm going mad with the constant lack of sleep every day of every week, every month for nearly 3 years now > > Thanks for reading!> > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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I use this product if my temps are high at night and it helps me to fall asleep

http://www.pureformulas.com/seriphos-100-capsulesinterplexus-by-ayush-herbs.html

and if you use swanson's you may also want to try this one because people take

it specifically for sleep...you may want to read the reviews.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWC047/ItemDetail

Another thing which helps is to eat some protein just before you go to bed. I'll

have a bite of very sharp cheddar cheese and I also will keep a piece by my

bedside if I wake up at that 3:00 am moment.

Waking up in the middle of the night is often low blood sugar, if you are not

diabetic, you can keep a small glass of orange juice by your bed and drink that

if you wake up.

Cheers,

JOT

> Even if I stay in bed for 12 hours it feels I've only slept 6 or 7 hours and

feel tired throughout the day.

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Remember not to takE NAX after midday. they keep you awake.

--- i too have sleep problems. i have lowish temperatures before going to bed ,

about 36.3 and a bit higher in the morning.

i use liquid melatonin and put it under my tongue which goes straight into the

blood stream. if i wake up at night i put more under my tongue. i keep it

beside my pillow. this helped for a long time.

however, i got used to it and now take also valerian, 2 tablets and melantonin

and if wake up , i take melatonin.

i must say that Dr P advises people to take valium because he feels it is more

important for the adrenals to get sleep that take take valium.

I notice that if i tire myself walking or swimming , i sleep well.

berny

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> > Can anyone recommend anything natural (not benzos etc) that will improve the

quality of my sleep and keep me asleep? I feel like I'm going mad with the

constant lack of sleep every day of every week, every month for nearly 3 years

now

> >

I find Nytol One-A-Night to be effective. It's an OTC anti-histamine. Not

exactly a benzo but not exactly a herbal prep either. It does also come as a

herbal formula (green box) but I found the herbal one did nothing for me.

Piriton has the same dozy effect on me.

I try only to take something if I have something to do the next day that

requires a good night's sleep. Or if I've had a run of poor sleep. They lose

their efficacy if taken too many nights in a row.

I also have some zopiclone which is there for emergencies i.e. sometimes the

quality of the insomnia requires something stronger. I know you don't want to

touch the hard stuff but for me it's reassuring to know it's there - I use them

at the rate of @ 1 a month)

Good luck - insomnia is the pits! Sue

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Have you considered trying an increase in your dose of Melatonin

which you can buy from Biovea to see if that helps with your sleep pattern.

This works for many people but you need to find the dose that works for you.

You also need to have complete blackness when you go to sleep, no chinks of

lamplight filtering through the curtains. Melatonin helps you get back into a

proper sleep pattern.

Your 11p.m. cortisol test shows why you are unable to sleep, at

this time, your cortisol level should be at its lowest in the range so this

probably is showing why you are waking 4 or 5 hours into sleeping. The rest of

your results are not too bad. You need to start a course of Nutri Adrenal Extra

which you can get 33% discount from Nutri Ltd by being a member of TPA. Go to

our Files section accessible from the Home Page of this web site and click on

'Discounts on Tests and Supplements' and open the Nutri Ltd File and follow the

instructions there.

Start by taking one tablet with breakfast, and after 7 days, add

another tablet with your lunch (don't take after 1.00p.m.). After another 7 to

10 days, add another tablet with breakfast and after another 7 to 10 days - add

another with your lunch. You can take up to 6 tablets daily, but if symptoms

persist, you might need to try Isocort or go on a short course of

hydrocortisone.

Luv - Sheila

I've felt a little better but there is hardly any difference in my quality of

sleep which is my MAJOR problem. I dream a lot and need to get up ATLEAST once

to go to the bathroom and always get up 4-5 hours after sleeping even if I

don't need to go to the bathroom.

My body temp goes under 36.0 C especially when I haven't had a good nights

sleep. I've tried 3mg time release Melatonin by Swanton but it doesn't help.

I've also tried GABA and that did calm me a bit but sleep problems remained.

Can anyone recommend anything natural (not benzos etc) that will improve the quality

of my sleep and keep me asleep? I feel like I'm going mad with the constant

lack of sleep every day of every week, every month for nearly 3 years now

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In going back to basics that work, many people find that taking the *powder*

form of Magnesium just before sleep, 1 teaspoon

dissolved in 6 oz of water, puts them to sleep easily and gently and they sleep

wonderfully. You usually won't get up to use the bathroom either. If you do

awake at night, keep half the amount in a glass by your bedside. The magnesium

pills and capsules do not work the same as the powder. It is only the powder

which seems to help with sleep. Magnesium is so very important and so

overlooked.

It's worth a try. It can also be taken with Melatonin

http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Vitality-Calm-16-powder/dp/B000OQ2DL4/ref=sr_1_2?i\

e=UTF8 & qid=1299953263 & sr=1-2-catcorr

Cheers,

JOT

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Hi JOT,

Is the magnesium powder you refer to magnesium carbonate? Just wondering as I

have some I'm supposed to take at night to help redress an issue which is

causing magnesium malabsorption at mitochondrial level. It's a very lightweight

powder.

Regards,

Sue

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This is the one I usually buy with all the magnesium sorts in it, but they were

out of it last time I was at the vitamin shop, so I am now using the NOW with

just the Citrate.

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=GZ-1001

using this at the moment:

http://www.iherb.com/now-foods-magnesium-citrate-100-pure-powder-8-oz-227-g/1101\

?at=0

The first one fizzles more than the NOw brand, but they both work very well to

put you to sleep.

Cheers,

JOT

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> Hi JOT,

>

> Is the magnesium powder you refer to magnesium carbonate? Just wondering as I

have some I'm supposed to take at night to help redress an issue which is

causing magnesium malabsorption at mitochondrial level. It's a very lightweight

powder.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sue

>

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Thanks for the info.

I'll try magnesium powder as I am oh so very desperate about getting proper

sleep. Sometimes I think what is the point in living when in a constant state of

sleep deprivation

I always read proper sleep is essential to restore adrenal and thyroid function

but loss of quality of sleep and insomnia are also one of the major symptoms of

poor adrenal/thyroid function. Chicken and egg comes to mind

>

>

> This is the one I usually buy with all the magnesium sorts in it, but they

were out of it last time I was at the vitamin shop, so I am now using the NOW

with just the Citrate.

[Ed]

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Does anyone have a good source of magnesium citrate powder in the UK?

Thanks

Jo

> I always read proper sleep is essential to restore adrenal and thyroid

function but loss of quality of sleep and insomnia are also one of the

major symptoms of poor adrenal/thyroid function.

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Apart from NAX I tend to get all my suplements from iherb in america.

Keep the total to under £18 to pay no import tax and less that 3pound in weight

and postage is 4 dollars. There supplements are usually a lot cheaper than

elsewhere and they have all the big names.

P.S Have you tried Melatonin for your sleep problem?

>

> Does anyone have a good source of magnesium citrate powder in the UK?

> Thanks

> Jo

>

> > I always read proper sleep is essential to restore adrenal and thyroid

> function but loss of quality of sleep and insomnia are also one of the

> major symptoms of poor adrenal/thyroid function.

>

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Thanks Tina

This is for my daughter who has awful sleep problems and wakes a lot in

the night and has vivd dreams and nightmares but she has not tried

melatonin yet. I will have a look at the iherb site.

Jo

>

> Apart from NAX I tend to get all my suplements from iherb in america.

> Keep the total to under £18 to pay no import tax and less that

3pound in weight and postage is 4 dollars. There supplements are usually

a lot cheaper than elsewhere

[Ed]

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I just got a tub of Natural Calm Magnesium Supreme (Citrate) powder from eBay

UK. It was expensive at £20 inc P & P but I am desperate.

If it works then GREAT! I'll then try the NOW brand of Magnesium Citrate powder.

Thanks.

>

> Apart from NAX I tend to get all my suplements from iherb in america.

> Keep the total to under £18 to pay no import tax and less that 3pound in

weight and postage is 4 dollars. There supplements are usually a lot cheaper

than elsewhere and they have all the big names.

> P.S Have you tried Melatonin for your sleep problem?

[Ed]

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You can buy Melatonin from Biovea here in the UK. http://www.biovea.net/(S(lnfe4z55sijhcd453nho1nm2))/product_detail.aspx?PID=1135 & CID=0 & OS=202

Luv - Sheila

Thanks Tina

This is for my daughter who has awful sleep problems and wakes a lot in

the night and has vivd dreams and nightmares but she has not tried

melatonin yet. I will have a look at the iherb site.

Jo

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Hi

Can you let me know how you get on with Natural Calm Magnesium Supreme

powder as it was one I was considering too. It sounds great on the

description so let's hope it works. Can you also let me know what it

tastes like! I didn't know it was available through ebay so that's very

helpful too. Thanks, Jo

>

> I just got a tub of Natural Calm Magnesium Supreme (Citrate) powder

from eBay UK. It was expensive at £20 inc P & P but I am desperate.

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My temps can jump from 36.2C upon waking to 37.0C 3 hours later.

Is this a good sign or are my adrenals getting worse and that's the reason for

such large swings in basal body temp?

> >

> > I just got a tub of Natural Calm Magnesium Supreme (Citrate) powder

> from eBay UK. It was expensive at £20 inc P & P but I am desperate.

>