Re: Does Hypo Type make a Difference?

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Hi , Treatment for Hashi' usually only causes problems when there is still a working part of the thyroid left- then after a periodic antibody attack the destruction can result in a temporary hyper phase, but the treatment is thyroid replacement therapy, to try to keep you on an even keel. I too suspect Hashi's was the cause of my thyroid failure as I t have family members suffering. Any autoimmune disease does tend to predispose you to other autoimmune diseases. > thyroid treatment > From: jtweed15@...> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:10:33 +0000> Subject: Does Hypo Type make a Difference?> > I was thinking today of something the doctor said this afternoon.> > He said most of the time GP's etc. don't test for antibodies as at the end of the day it makes no difference in treatment.> > > My burning question is...does it make a difference? Do people with Hashi's need different type of treatment? Do they need to watch out for other problems? Because it is auto-immune are there other risks involved? > Just trying to get an education...it's been a long time coming and I think my meds are starting to clear my head enough to pay attention. :-)> > Cheers> > > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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My burning question is...does it make a difference? Do people with Hashi's need different type of treatment? Do they need to watch out for other problems? Because it is auto-immune are there other risks involved?

Hello ,

Spot on J No, it makes no difference to the treatment and yes, Hashi's need to watch out for other problems. Hashimoto's is an autoimmune disease, and any autoimmune disease makes you susceptible to acquiring another. It still makes sense to check the number of autoantibodies at least once a year, just to see which way it is going.

I recently learned something new, reading a book by Datis Kharrazian. He says that we should remember that Hashimoto's is not a disease of the thyroid gland – it is an autoimmune condition that destroys an otherwise healthy thyroid gland. He also says that eating a gluten free diet may keep our autoantibody count down and prolong the time it takes for our thyroid gland to get destroyed. This is because the gluten molecule is structurally very similar to the thyroid gland molecule, which confuses the overzealous immune system in a gluten-intolerant person.... and one would not have to test positive for celiac, just being gluten-intolerant will do it.

Best wishes,

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He also says some people react to cassein (milk protein) and may need to exclude

dairy products. I am currently trying 3 weeks without any dairy.

I have noticed that when I reintroduce bread after a break I get excema on my

hands and this is the kind of thing he says to look out for.

Miriam

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Your GP MUST check for antibodies to your thyroid as you need to

know what the CAUSE is of your thyroid symptoms. Often autoimmune thyroid

disease progresses to autoimmune disease in other parts of a person's body,

manifesting as pernicious anaemia, type 1 diabetes, joint issues, and even

neurological problems. Meanwhile the TSH levels are normal and doctors manage

the symptoms with an ever -increasing array of drugs (often antidepressants) and

hormones and tells their patient that they are fine. Good health means having a

zest for life and buoyant energy, neither of which describes the poorly managed

person with Hashimoto's disease.

Remember, Hashimoto's is not a thyroid disease but an immune

disorder, and it is the immune system that must be address (even though thyroid

replacement hormones may be warranted, if enough of the thyroid tissue has been

destroyed. In order to successfully modulate Hashimoto's, prevent future

autoimmune diseases, and enjoy a better quality of life, a basic understanding

of the immune system is the first step. Given its complexity, especially when

it comes to autoimmune disease, it's no wonder the immune system is unchartered

territory for most doctors.

Patients suffering Hashimoto's are often treated exactly the

same as anybody else with the symptoms of hypothyroidism, i.e. levothyroxine

only, but in the case of Hashimoto's disease, they often need the active

thyroid hormone T3, so yes, it does and can make a difference to how sufferers

are treated.

You would learn a lot by buying the Book 'Why Do I Still Have Thyroid

Symptoms when my Lab Tests are Normal' by Datis Kharrazian. You would learn a

lot there - and so would your doctor.

As you believe you have never been tested, ask that your GP

tests you now after giving him your family history and the need to know whether

you are at risk of suffering with other autoimmune disorders.

Luv - Sheila

My burning question is...does it make a difference? Do people with Hashi's need

different type of treatment? Do they need to watch out for other problems?

Because it is auto-immune are there other risks involved?

Just trying to get an education...it's been a long time coming and I think my

meds are starting to clear my head enough to pay attention. :-)

Cheers

[Guest guest]

Hi Miriam,

Can I ask how you are getting on with the dairy exclusion diet?

Any improvements at all?

Regards Peary>> He also says some people react to cassein (milk protein) and may need to exclude dairy products. I am currently trying 3 weeks without any dairy.> > I have noticed that when I reintroduce bread after a break I get excema on my hands and this is the kind of thing he says to look out for.> > Miriam>

[Guest guest]

I haven't noticed anything yet. I have excluded them for a week so far. I am

planning to not have any dairy for three weeks in total and then see whether

there is any reaction (like the excema I get on resuming eating bread).

Some doctors I admire, such as Dr Myhill, and Dr Hertoghe, don't think consuming

any dairy is a good idea. But others, such as Weston Price, think they are very

nutritious and healing, so from that point of view it is difficult to decide.

I'll just have to see whether I notice any problems personally.

Miriam

> > He also says some people react to cassein (milk protein) and may need to

exclude dairy products. I am currently trying 3 weeks without any dairy.

[Guest guest]

Hi Miriam,

Thanks for your reply.I have seen a nutritionist today that wants me to try dairy free.I know I am going to find it exceptionally difficult because I love my cups of tea with milk etc... but I am prepared to give it a go.

Perhaps we can compare notes.God,I am going to miss eggs too LOL!

Peary

>> I haven't noticed anything yet. I have excluded them for a week so far. I am planning to not have any dairy for three weeks in total and then see whether there is any reaction (like the excema I get on resuming eating bread).> > Some doctors I admire, such as Dr Myhill, and Dr Hertoghe, don't think consuming any dairy is a good idea. But others, such as Weston Price, think they are very nutritious and healing, so from that point of view it is difficult to decide.

[Guest guest]

Most nutritionists will start off by advising people to give up wheat and dairy

products as those are the most common things to cause problems. Did they insist

on eggs too? Some people are allergic to them, but if you can tolerate them

they are very nutritious. How long is your experiment going to be?

I have bought some stevia to sweeten my tea as I am finding it a bit bitter

without milk. Also I have bought some new, lighter, types of tea, such as

Twinings " Amber Keemun Tea " , " Golden Oolong Tea " and " Yunnan " . They are meant

to be drunk without milk.

If you want to transfer this conversation to the Chat group, that would be fine,

or you could email me privately.

Miriam

>> Thanks for your reply.I have seen a nutritionist today that wants me to try

dairy free.I know I am going to find it exceptionally difficult because I love

my cups of tea with milk etc... but I am prepared to give it a go.

> Perhaps we can compare notes.God,I am going to miss eggs too LOL!

[Guest guest]

>> You would learn a lot by buying the Book 'Why Do I Still Have Thyroid> Symptoms when my Lab Tests are Normal' by Datis Kharrazian. You would learn> a lot there - and so would your doctor.Thanks for all the info. I will look into getting the book.> As you believe you have never been tested, ask that your GP tests you now> after giving him your family history and the need to know whether you are at> risk of suffering with other autoimmune disorders.

Doctor is running the antibody test this time. But until I get the results I would like to know something else...Does your body ever stop making antibodies to the thyroid? If the thyroid is totally gone will there still be antibodies to test? And also once the body is done trashing the thyroid will it always turn on something else? Or is it luck of the draw? Thanks

[Guest guest]

Does your body ever stop making

antibodies to the thyroid? If the thyroid is totally gone will there still be

antibodies to test? And also once the body is done trashing the thyroid

will it always turn on something else? Or is it luck of the draw?

Hi , if you test positive for thyroid antibodies, the

antibodies stay active until your thyroid gland has been destroyed. This is

because the antibodies see your thyroid gland as public enemy number one and

set about its gradual destruction. When the thyroid has been destroyed, the

thyroid antibodies will go away. However, if you are diagnosed with one

autoimmune disorder, you may well have other types of antibodies that may

affect other organs so this is why it is important to get tested.

Luv - Sheila

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Hi Miriam, butting in here to ask you which of the teas do you prefer? as i sometimes use earl Gray tea, but this has added bergermotte in it. sorry spelling.I don`t drink much coffee and other teas are too strong. by the way hope to see you at the next meeting. Regards Judith.

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I wouldn't worry about the small amount of oil of bergamot used in Earl Grey tea

unless you are going to consume 4 litres per day as mentioned in this Wikipedia

article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergamot_orange

I like the Golden Oolong tea, but that may be because it is the palest in

colour. :-) I also drink jasmine tea sometimes, and green tea (gunpowder tea).

They are both meant to be drunk very weak - just use a few leaves.

All these teabags are too strong and seem very wasteful. I think I could get at

least 10 cups out of each one, but I don't want to be reheating cold tea all day

from a first one-teabag batch.

If I remember, I'll bring along a few samples to our Bristol TPA get-together

which Delyth is currently trying to organise for next week.

Miriam

> Hi Miriam, butting in here to ask you which of the teas do you prefer? as i

sometimes use earl Gray tea, but this has added bergermotte in it. sorry

spelling. I don`t drink much coffee and other teas are too strong. by the way

hope to see you at the next meeting. Regards Judith.