RE: Adrenal saliva test results

[Guest guest]

Ouch! - you have low adrenal reserve and need supplements

Valeria.

Cortisol

levels:

sample 1 4.3 nmol/l (range 12-22) - V. Low. Your

cortisol should be at it's highest at this time to enable you to get through

the daily chores.

sample 2 2.7 nmol/l (range 5.0-9.0) = again, V.Low.

it should be around the middle of the range.

sample 3 0.1 nmol/l (range 3.0-7.0) - and

again, right at the bottom of the range.

sample 4 0.1 nmol/l (range 1.0-3.0) - below the

range, but your cortisol should be at it's lowest at this time to enable you to

sleep.

If you are finding Nutri Adrenal is making you wired, then you

should look for a different supplement. Your symptoms definitely sound adrenal

related. What about your levels of ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3,

magnesium, folate, copper and zinc. When did you last have them tested. Is

there any chance you could be suffering with systemic candidiasis or mercury

poisoning caused through Amalgam fillings. Something is obviously getting in

the way of you returning to normal health.

Luv - Sheila

I'm back on just 100mg NA a day as I find I really feel

wired if I take more. I'm also on 1 tablet Euthyral a day (100mcg T4+20mcg T3)

and I'm taking a B complex +C vitamin supplement, Selenium, Zinc, and vitamin

D3.

The Euthyral is definitely helping (I've lost the fluid I was retaining and

have felt livelier than before) but I'm having coordination and concentration

problems. I feel brain-fried and tired all the time. I can't sleep for more

than 7-8 hours a night no matter how tired I am. I also sweat profusely and

easily. I want to get better!

,_._,___

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello all,

>

> I've got my adrenal test results today, as follows:

>

>

> Genova lab's verdict: adrenal exhaustion.

>

> I'm back on just 100mg NA a day as I find I really feel wired if I take more.

I'm also on 1 tablet Euthyral a day (100mcg T4+20mcg T3) and I'm taking a B

complex +C vitamin supplement, Selenium, Zinc, and vitamin D3.

> The Euthyral is definitely helping (I've lost the fluid I was retaining and

have felt livelier than before) but I'm having coordination and concentration

problems. I feel brain-fried and tired all the time. I can't sleep for more than

7-8 hours a night no matter how tired I am. I also sweat profusely and easily. I

want to get better!

> I'm going to communicate these results to my endocrinologist and see what he

says. I'm not terribly optimistic since he believes NAX is an old wives' remedy

and my Metopirone test came out normal, but still.

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

Hi, If you are sweating a lot you will be losing minerals, magnesium and

potassium, that might be beneficial to replace. I use a skin spray of magnesium

and eat lots of salads and fruit for the potassium, there could be an issue

with calcium depending on your diet.

love janet

[Guest guest]

> > Hi Sheila,Thank you for your reply and comments.> What about your levels of ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium,> folate, copper and zinc. When did you last have them tested. Ferritin was done in France in December:28.9 ng/ml (range 6.24 to 137)Magnesium I know was done 2-3 months back, can't find the result right now but it was bang in the middle of the range.Vit. B12 was done some months back and was above range due to my supplementing daily (I still do).I take 2,000 iu vit. D3 a day.I could not get my copper level verified since both GP and Hospital refused to do it on grounds of cost (and according to them I didn't need it). I can't find a zinc result anywhere but I am also supplementing this daily.Is there any> chance you could be suffering with systemic candidiasis or mercury poisoning> caused through Amalgam fillings.I have had candida in the past and feel symptom-free at the moment. I only have one amalgam filling - is it possible to get mercury poisoning from this?Something is obviously getting in the way> of you returning to normal health.My money is on long-term psychological stressors. I have a host of those, some of them from very early childhood, and I also had post-partum PTSD following my son's birth five years ago. I am working on them and getting results but the self-work itself also takes its toll. This adrenal issue should have been picked up a long time ago.I have just rung my endocrinologist in France with the saliva test results and he doesn't want to know because the Metopirone test I did back in December was normal - even though I did tell him again I had not properly weaned off the NAX at the time of the test. As far as he is concerned, I do not have adrenal insufficiency (his words). What does it take for these guys to listen? At least he did get me onto Euthyral...> Thanks for all your support,Best wishes,> > > > > I'm back on just 100mg NA a day as I find I really feel wired if I take> more. I'm also on 1 tablet Euthyral a day (100mcg T4+20mcg T3) and I'm> taking a B complex +C vitamin supplement, Selenium, Zinc, and vitamin D3. > > > > > > > ,_._,___>

[Guest guest]

> What about your levels of ferritin,

vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium,

> folate, copper and zinc. When did you last have them tested.

Ferritin was done in France in

December:

28.9 ng/ml (range 6.24 to 137) - - - OUCH! You need to get some elemental iron

into you Valeria and quickly. This is far too low.

Magnesium I know was done 2-3 months back, can't

find the result right now but it was bang in the middle of the range.

Vit. B12 was done some months back and was above

range due to my supplementing daily (I still do). Stop supplementing if you are above the range - there is

no need for this and could cause other problems if your B12 goes too high.

I take 2,000 iu vit. D3 a day. - Put

that up to 4/5000 iu daily This is a much more realistic dose.

I could not get my copper level verified since both GP and Hospital refused to

do it on grounds of cost (and according to them I didn't need it). I can't find a zinc result anywhere but I am also

supplementing this daily.

Is there any

> chance you could be suffering with systemic candidiasis or mercury

poisoning

> caused through Amalgam fillings.

I have had candida in the past and feel

symptom-free at the moment. I only have one amalgam filling - is it possible to

get mercury poisoning from this? No, not really, I think you need

quite a few amalgam fillings. I do believe you have a craving for sugary things

though Valeria - which is a sign of candida.

Something is obviously getting in the way

> of you returning to normal health.

My money is on long-term psychological stressors. I

have a host of those, some of them from very early childhood, and I also had

post-partum PTSD following my son's birth five years ago. I am working on them

and getting results but the self-work itself also takes its toll. This adrenal

issue should have been picked up a long time ago.

I have just rung my endocrinologist in France with the saliva test results and

he doesn't want to know because the Metopirone test I did back in December was

normal - even though I did tell him again I had not properly weaned off the NAX

at the time of the test. As far as he is concerned, I do not have adrenal

insufficiency (his words). What does it take for these guys to listen? At least he did get me onto Euthyral...

What is the Metopirone

test? You need to start treating your adrenals yourself with Nutri Adrenal

Extra which you can buy with a 33% discount from Nutri Ltd (in the

FILES). Doctors will ONLY treat if you Have 's disease or Cushing's

syndrome, and nothing else. This is one role you need to take on yourself to

boost your adrenals. Once boosted, you will be amazed how much better

everything falls into place.

Luv - Sheila._,___

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

Ferritin was done in France in December:

> 28.9 ng/ml (range 6.24 to 137) - - - OUCH! You need to get some elemental

> iron into you Valeria and quickly. This is far too low.

I have tried various methods of trying to get my ferritin level higher, to no avail: Solgar's Gentle Iron, Ferrum Phos tissue salt (Mag Phos did wonders for my magnesium level). Is it possible my ferritin level is just naturally low?

>

What is the Metopirone test?

The Metopirone test is a test done over 24 hours in hospital. I was given Metopirone tablets every two hours over 12 hours to temporarily block my adrenals. Blood samples were taken before

the start of the test and the morning after. During the test my body temperature and blood pressure were monitored before each new Metopirone

dose was taken.

My results showed up normal. however I had not had the time to fully wean myself off NAX before it was done and I reckon this skewed the results. The endocrinologist I saw in France is adamant the Metopirone test is more reliable than the saliva test I did and is convinced NAX is

totally ineffective, hence his response that as far as he concerned I am fine.

You need to start treating your adrenals

> yourself with Nutri Adrenal Extra which you can buy with a 33% discount from

> Nutri Ltd (in the FILES).

I am currently on 200mg a day of NA. I have already been on NAX, for about a year. I got to the point where I was on four tablets a day (800mg) and felt just as unwell whether I took them or not. I kept having to up the dose in order to feel any better. I hesitate to go down that route again.

Thank you for the advice on Vit. D - I have now brought my dose up to your suggested amount.

Following your suggestion on candida I did the home glass test and my saliva did show candida presence. I did not have sugar cravings or any other symptoms so was rather surprised, but I have now started to deal with it. Best wishes,

> >>> > What about your levels of ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium,> > folate, copper and zinc. When did you last have them tested. Luv - Sheila._,___

>> >

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Thank you for reminding me of this! I had not thought of it. I take Schussler's

tissue salts and I find that they are great in keeping me balanced. I was

wondering whether to stop taking them and your message guided me the right way.

Best wishes,

>

> Hi, If you are sweating a lot you will be losing minerals, magnesium and

potassium, that might be beneficial to replace. I use a skin spray of magnesium

and eat lots of salads and fruit for the potassium, there could be an issue

with calcium depending on your diet.

>

> love janet

>

[Guest guest]

Val,

They definitely look odd, you should trail off through the day, not get a sudden

boost half way through the afternoon....

I have no idea what to do for this though...

The propanalol stops the T4 converting into t3 and so can render you

hypothyroid, it's sometimes given to people with Graves.

How are your magnesium and calcium levels?

How do you feel? what symptoms promted you to get a saliva test?

.

>

> Can anyone tell me if my adrenal saliva tests are something to be worried

about or if this happens frequently. I have Hashi's and am trying to stabilise

my NTD dose but beginning to think it isn't working for a second time. I am 69

and have had hot flashes since 1996! Test done at Genova Labs.

> Sample 1....28.0 (12-22)

> Sample 2... 5.5 (5.0-9.0)

> Sample 3.... 49.1 (3.0-7.0)

> Sample 4.... 5.5 (1.0-3.0)

> Total daily Cortisol...88.1 (21-41)

> Dhea sample 2(am)...0.27

> Dhea sample 3(pm)...0.21

> Dhea: Cortisol ratio...0.27 (0.4-2.0)

> Sample sent overnight and got there in the morning. I'm taking all the

supplements and Vits and all my levels are good and I am not ill as far as I

know. I just have congenital hypertrophic cardiomyopathy treated with

propranolol (40mgs at present).

> Thank you for any help or advice....

>

[Guest guest]

They're high levels of cortisol aren't they.

have you had any assessments by an endocrinologist, for cushings/pseudo cushings

etc? Eg, a 24 hour urinary cortisol test

I'd take these results to your dr and ask for further investigation.

chris

>

> Can anyone tell me if my adrenal saliva tests are something to be worried

about or if this happens frequently. I have Hashi's and am trying to stabilise

my NTD dose but beginning to think it isn't working for a second time. I am 69

and have had hot flashes since 1996! Test done at Genova Labs.

[Guest guest]

Sorry Val - I hope you have had some replies by now. I am

usually on the forum quite a lot, but since the article appeared in the Mail on

Sunday 'The Great Thyroid Scandal' I have been inundated with hundreds of

private messages from people who went to our web site and then contacted me for

more information. I have been working answering these from around 6.30a.m. to

around 10.00p.m. every night, and when I think it is starting to east up, more

then come in. I found a load in my Spam Box yesterday too. To make matters

worse, the stock of copies of our Thyroid Information Pack advertised on our

web site have now all gone, and I am having to do a reprint, so taking this

opportunity to update it (all 81 pages) and some pages need completely re-writing,

so this is why I am not around on the forum for the moment.

However, I have checked your 24 hour salivary adrenal profile

and most definitely, something isn't right and this should not be ignored. Can

you remember exactly how much Nutri Adrenal Extra you were taking at the time

of the test and how much Propranalol too, and did you stop taking these before

you had the test done? If you stopped taking them before the test, how

long did you stop for - and did you tell Genova that you were/had been taking

these tablets? If you did not stop, then I would contact Genova and ask them

what difference taking these would make to your very high levels of cortisol.

If you had stopped taking them for the proper time needed, you need to ask your

GP to refer you to the hospital to get your cortisol levels tested through an

ACTH test to see whether you could be suffering with Cushing's Syndrome. High

levels of cortisol can be caused by taking glucocorticoid drugs, or by

tumours that produce cortisol. Cushing's disease refers to one specific cause of

the syndrome, a tumour (adenoma) in the pituitary gland that produces large

amounts of ACTH, which in turn, elevates cortisol. It is the most common cause

of Cushing's syndrome, responsible for 70% of cases excluding glucocorticoid

related cases.

Luv -

Sheila

Sample

1....28.0 (12-22)

Sample 2... 5.5 (5.0-9.0)

Sample 3.... 49.1 (3.0-7.0)

Sample 4.... 5.5 (1.0-3.0)

Total daily Cortisol...88.1 (21-41)

>

> Hello thank you so much for replying, I was beginning to feel a bit

of an outsider as I wrote before but nobody replied, so I tried the adrenal

site and nobody replied so I tried again here and voila' two replies. No I

haven't seen an endocrinologist or done any further investigations because I

had no reason to, I feel ok apart from feeling a bit hypo

[Guest guest]

Hello Sheila, and thank you for your reply. I was on NAX 5 or 6 a day but

stopped two weeks before the saliva test. 3 weeks before doing the test I

started hydrocortisone 5mgs daily as Dr Peatfield said I could try when I went

with my daughter to see him. I was on it only a week because I didn't feel good

on it and realised that I should have started maybe at 2.5mgs. So I stopped it

completely 2 weeks before doing the saliva test stopping the Nax as well. Could

it be that the hydrocortisone stopped two weeks before the test gave these

results? Thank you for any advice....

>

>

> However, I have checked your 24 hour salivary adrenal profile and most

> definitely, something isn't right and this should not be ignored. Can you

> remember exactly how much Nutri Adrenal Extra you were taking at the time of

> the test and how much Propranalol too, and did you stop taking these before

> you had the test done?

[Ed]

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila , I omitted to reply to your question on propranolol. I would have

been on 80mgs of propranolol when I took the test. I did not stop it to take the

test, should I have stopped that too?...

>

> Sorry Val - I hope you have had some replies by now. I am usually on the

> forum quite a lot, but since the article appeared in the Mail on Sunday 'The

> Great Thyroid Scandal' I have been inundated with hundreds of private

> messages from people who went to our web site and then contacted me for more

> information.

[Ed]

[Guest guest]

I would telephone Genova on Monday morning and ask them if this

would have made a difference to your results Val. Play safe.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila , I omitted to reply to your question on propranolol. I would have

been on 80mgs of propranolol when I took the test. I did not stop it to take

the test, should I have stopped that too?...

.._,___

[Guest guest]

I think you have probably hit the nail on the proverbial head.

Sounds like you now need to follow the original recommendations given to you by

Dr Peatfield and start all over again.

Luv - Sheila

Hello Sheila, and thank you for your reply. I was on NAX 5 or 6 a day but

stopped two weeks before the saliva test. 3 weeks before doing the test I

started hydrocortisone 5mgs daily as Dr Peatfield said I could try when I went

with my daughter to see him. I was on it only a week because I didn't feel good

on it and realised that I should have started maybe at 2.5mgs. So I stopped it

completely 2 weeks before doing the saliva test stopping the Nax as well. Could

it be that the hydrocortisone stopped two weeks before the test gave these

results? Thank you for any advice....