Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I think he devotes 24hours of every day into looking for 'anti-establishment' web sites. Luv - Sheila From: thyroid treatment [mailto:thyroid treatment ] On Behalf Of jitterjotter Sent: 14 February 2011 15:21 thyroid treatment Subject: Re: Great Honour! Barrett has a lot of time on his hands. Just think how wonderful it would be if he spent all that time learning how to be a healer :0) Cheers, JOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Since we all dish a lot of dirt on medical malpractice and incompetence, may be we could ask Mr Assange if he has a few friend who could ......... After all, we're all comrades after the Truth. May be he could start a new branch of wikileaks called wiki-medileaks or something? MacGilchrist From: Sheila <sheila@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Mon, 14 February, 2011 17:23:02Subject: RE: Re: Great Honour! I think he devotes 24hours of every day into looking for 'anti-establishment' web sites. Luv - Sheila MARKETPLACE Get great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog & Cat Answers Center. Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Toolbar now. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Yeah! I bet Mr Assange is being asked to do this all the time ! Luv - Sheila Since we all dish a lot of dirt on medical malpractice and incompetence, may be we could ask Mr Assange if he has a few friend who could ......... After all, we're all comrades after the Truth. May be he could start a new branch of wikileaks called wiki-medileaks or something? MacGilchrist I think he devotes 24hours of every day into looking for 'anti-establishment' web sites. Luv - Sheila MARKETPLACE Get great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog & Cat Answers Center. Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Toolbar now. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 ….yet he has apparently no qualifications in psychiatry! Luv - Sheila > > LOL, I saw that when I was googling something else. You realize the guy who > runs that is a psychiatrist. PSYCHIATRIST... > > LH* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 From what I read he is a failed MD and only worked for a while in a psychiatric hospital. Lilian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Personally, I don't know how anybody can write such blatantly manipulative material and claim to have superior reasoning. It's insulting to the reader. What he is writing is Salesman's Talk. I would be embarassed to put my name to something written using such techniques. It stinks of someone desperate to be listened to. MacGilchrist From: Lilian <lilian15@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Tue, 15 February, 2011 11:43:53Subject: Re: Re: Great Honour! From what I read he is a failed MD and only worked for a while in a psychiatric hospital. Lilian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Something that I have noticed over time with people: It boils down to who do people believe, GPs etc who are not getting them well, or groups like TPA, Thyroid UK People are very good at undermining non mainstream treatments. The usual comment is "there are no studies to back this up". Apart from the fact that getting these studies is a major problem for reasons I have outlined in another e-mail, if you restrict yourself just to listening to doctors, you still have the same problem of who to believe. For example, my GP and specialist have both told me that iodine is bad for the thyroid because I will have a Hashi attack. Dr Guy Abraham, a highly qualified and prize winning doctor, and the doctors of the iodine project state otherwise. These doctors are theoretically all as well qualified as each other. Who do you believe? Well, it just boils down to thinking for yourself. Personally I have found all my thyroid problems a real test of character. If you think you are ruled by logic (I like to think so) and are intellectually convinced of the benefits of a treatment and still hesitate (my case for iodine I hasten to add) you are fluffing the issue! This can happen easily when you have brain fog and your emotions are affected by people who appear better qualified and more self confident that you are feeling. Particularly when some of these people are your well meaning nearest and dearest. But unless you stick to your guns, chances are no one else will save you. Our current lifestyle with health services laid on from cradle to grave has lulled us into a state of acceptance which I find very dangerous. The medical profession also seems to think it has the exclusive right to cure and diagnose. This is not true. As far as I know they do not have the exclusive legal right to treat people, self treatment is legal even if medical acts, such as surgery, are not. This point was brought home to me by a doctor I met last week. I told him that I had cured my burning feet problem by going on a gluten free diet and that I thought my foot problem was due to celiac disease. He challenged the veracity of this statement by asking me to go back on a gluten containing diet and be tested for celiac disease. The monstrous cheek of this man! Apart from the fact I would be forced to make myself ill again (which goes against the "first do no harm principle"), he expected me to prove to HIM I was right! It doesn't matter one bit if I can prove I have celiac disease or not, my feet have stopped burning and the only treatment for celiac disease is no gluten which you don't have to be a doctor to administer nor do you need a prescription for! I guess I must have made him feel pretty useless. People have to learn to trust their own judgement. It's results that count. Doctors are not gods. MacGilchrist, who used to do everything the doctor told her before July 2008! From: Fiona <f.hodgkiss@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Tue, 15 February, 2011 13:42:48Subject: Re: Great Honour! Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (16) Recent Activity: New Members 9 New Links 1 New Files 12 Visit Your Group TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 TPA is there because this idiot who calls himself a doctor can see we present a 'threat' to the mainstream establishment and that is exactly what we are. He probably looked at the Home Page message on the web site www.tpa-uk.org.uk and saw that this is one group that means business. The RCP, BTA refuse to answer those questions we ask, and we have made it very public that they have not. Thyroid UK have to follow the NHS policy now they are 'accredited' so they don't pose as a threat to the mainstream establishment. Sheila I don't know why TPA is on there and other thyroid groups are not, unless they'll be added in due course. As you have no doubt noticed, you only have to do a quick search, to find a lot of info against Armour on quackwatch. Something that I have noticed over time with people: It boils down to who do people believe, GPs etc who are not getting them well, or groups like TPA, Thyroid UK. Clearly this sort of website would back up anything that mainstream health professionals are saying... This sort of info is all the ammunition people need, to avoid getting the help they need. I guess it depends from person to person, or how ill they have become. I am sure to a point, these sorts of resources, do have an influence over people avoiding fighting the system for the help they need etc. If somebody has doctors saying that Armour or T3 isn't proven etc, then they read something on that site, I am sure they would have to be very very ill before. As I say, it depends from person to person, how ill they are and their circumstances. I am convinced some people are very influenced by what they read on Quackwatch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Hi , this happened to me too. When I first opened TPA I wrote to all UK NHS endocrinologists giving them facts about Armour and telling them how well I had become since being changed from synthetic thyroxine-only to Armour. This particular doctor wrote to me and suggested that I stop the natural thyroid extract and go back onto levothyroxine to check that it WAS the Armour that had made me well. He said this was the only way to find out and to let him know what happened. I wrote to him and told him that I had been so ill for years on levothyroxine alone and that I would not, in any way, shape or form, ever go back on to that awful medication again now that I was so well. I told him, instead, the next time one of his patients showed up still ill on levothyroxine-only, to change her medication over to NDT and find out for himself whether it worked or not. He never responded - and I bet he still has many patients he doesn't know what to do with because they can't get well on his T4-only regime. Luv - Sheila The medical profession also seems to think it has the exclusive right to cure and diagnose. This is not true. As far as I know they do not have the exclusive legal right to treat people, self treatment is legal even if medical acts, such as surgery, are not. This point was brought home to me by a doctor I met last week. I told him that I had cured my burning feet problem by going on a gluten free diet and that I thought my foot problem was due to celiac disease. He challenged the veracity of this statement by asking me to go back on a gluten containing diet and be tested for celiac disease. The monstrous cheek of this man! Apart from the fact I would be forced to make myself ill again (which goes against the " first do no harm principle " ), he expected me to prove to HIM I was right! It doesn't matter one bit if I can prove I have celiac disease or not, my feet have stopped burning and the only treatment for celiac disease is no gluten which you don't have to be a doctor to administer nor do you need a prescription for! I guess I must have made him feel pretty useless. _._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Absolutely. Luv - Sheila Hi, Sheila, they did us favour as we now have a list of trusted sites. out of the mouths of babe`s comes good.! if these are not to be trusted then how come they are more informed and get results. I think this has back fired on them. think positive. Angel. .._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 http://www.evidence.nhs.uk/Accreditation/Pages/Accreditation.aspx Thyroid UK have past the test to show they have been recognised as an organisation that has shown evidence that the information they access has been produced to a high standard. And that is great and as it should be. But what worries me is that the RCP and the BTA will continue to acknowledge no other means of diagnosing and treating those with the symptoms of hypothyroidism outside of their guideline. This has already been tried, only for the President of the RCP to say he will not be entering any further discussions regarding this matter. I very much doubt that holding an Accreditation Certificate will mean that TUK will be automatically listened to, or have their views taken into account should they produce tons of scientific evidence/information regarding the use of different diagnostic tools (i.e. 24 hour urine test to measure the level of T4/T3 that has been used by the body) or treating using combination therapy, however high their standard of accessing such information had been. This would go totally against the NHS policy as the DoH will ONLY look to the RCP/BTA as the 'experts'. I have letter after letter from the DoH that states just this. Read what it states in the comments section of the NHS Accreditation web site - Abbott state " We believe accreditation under the NHS Evidence will help drive the universal uptake of guidance, reducing local variations in clinical practice and ensuring improved patient access to appropriate therapies " . And we know which side this would come down on. Not ours! No, they have not accepted money Janet. Anybody can apply for accreditation, even TPA - but I don't want anything to stand in the way of us having an open and free mind and working with that. Luv - Sheila > Sheila > > > Hi Sheila, please would you explain about becoming 'accredited' and why that means that Thyroid UK have to fall in with the establishment! Have they accepted money? love janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 I think it is an emotional thing. People seem to think they have to choose between one extreme or another, for example, and they can't see the various possibilities between these two choices. "Do you take coffee or tea?" Ironically, someone like me who looks for the other possible choices, ends up being considered an extremist! (And I have been told that my opinions are "extreme" in health matters). MacGilchrist From: bakeacarrotcake <bakeacarrotcake@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Wed, 16 February, 2011 10:44:37Subject: Re: Great Honour! > > > People have to learn to trust their own judgement. It's results that count. > Doctors are not gods.> > Hi, This is all so true, I have come across people of high intellect who reduce themselves to the level of a child by giving up all responsibility for their own bodies. It must be an emotional thing, but it is as if they don't own their body and expect someone else to take all the decisions for them. I always say to them to get on line and find out what is right for them instead of taking as gospel the results of a 3 minute consultation from someone who does not even look up from his computer!love janet> .> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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