Re: A bit confused about dosage of NDT

[Guest guest]

Hi..Different NDT tablets might have different strengths but a grain of NDT is

always 60mg..multiply or subtract tablet strength in milligrams for equivalent

grain strength..ie 30mg NDT=half a grain..60mg NDT=one grain..120mg NDT=two

grains

Hope this helps..

~Andy~

Hi, I am a bit confused as to the dosage of NDT as in the past people have

talked about the 'normal' amount of dosage, in grains (as tablets), as being 2

grains of NDT, what I have recently thought, as no-one has enlightened me before

about this, is that each grain has a different strength, i.e. some are 30mg some

are 60mg and others are 125g, so why is it that I was told to take about 2 or

three grains of NDT when no-one told me what strength the grains should be? I

was taking two 30mg grains of NDT for ages thinking that I was doing the right

thing, then I started getting very tired again, for a few weeks, then I just

thought that maybe when I have been told before that '2 or 3 grains is enough'

maybe there are all different strengths of grains, why didn't I think of this

before?

[Guest guest]

Not sure where you are coming from with this Becky as all the

information you are asking is available on this forum web site and has been for

years.

Hi, I am a bit confused as to the dosage of NDT as in the

past people have talked about the 'normal' amount of dosage, in grains (as

tablets), as being 2 grains of NDT, what I have recently thought, as no-one has

enlightened me before about this, is that each grain has a different strength,

i.e. some are 30mg some are 60mg and others are 125g, so why is it that I was

told to take about 2 or three grains of NDT when no-one told me what strength

the grains should be?

WHO told you to take " 2 or 3 grains " - certainly

nobody on this forum. We NEVER talk about " normal " amounts of NDT

being 2 grains. We make it clear that 'grains' is an old measurement, 1 grain

being equivalent to 60mcgs. Half a grain is equivalent to 30mcgs, two grains is

equivalent to 120mcgs (if Armour) and 125mgs if Erfa. 1 grain of NDT (60mgs) has

approx. 38 mcgs T4 and approx. 9 mcgs T3. Halve

that for half a grain (30mgs), double that for 2 grains (120mgs) etc. etc….

Read more at

http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=537173 & ktrack=kcplink

I was taking two 30mg grains of NDT for ages thinking that I

was doing the right thing, then I started getting very tired again, for a few

weeks, then I just thought that maybe when I have been told before that '2 or 3

grains is enough' maybe there are all different strengths of grains, why didn't

I think of this before? No-one ever mentioned this to me on this site so I

looked it up on the pharmaceutical web site and lo and behold there are

different strengths, and because I have had 'brain-fog' because of being ill I

didn't realise this myself until recently.

The one thing that TPA encourage everybody to do is to read as

much information as you possibly can that we make available in the FILES

section of our forum. We encourage this all the time. If you go to this section

(accessible from the Home Page of this forum's web site thyroid treatment

and click on FILES in the Menu, you will see that on the list that opens, there

is a folder entitled " Natural Thyroid Extract " - and all the information

you are saying nobody gave you is in there. We believe it is absolutely

essential that such information is available and accessible by all members. Had

you read our FILE 'How to Use Natural Thyroid Extract', which we encourage

everybody starting on NDT to read before starting such treatment, you would

have seen that we recommend members start by using 30mgs (half a grain) and

stay ON THAT DOSE FOR 7 DAYS ONLY before increasing by another 30mgs (half a

grain) and staying on that for approximately 3 weeks before increasing by

another half grain (30mgs) if no adverse reactions have been experienced after

another 3 weeks. I think you are getting your sources of information mixed up. You

could have saved yourself a lot of problems had you checked the Files section out

first.

So I started taking a higher dose and feel a lot better. But

I am just wondering if anyone else has been confused by any information on

taking 'grains' in that they were not told that there are several different

dosages of 'grains'. As I was told 'two or three grains is normal' did they

mean two or three of 30mg grains, two or three of 60mg grains or two or three

of 125mg grains. Could you be more specific in future when telling people how

many grains they should take of NDT and at what strength the grains or tablets

should be. Thanks.

We try to be as specific as we can as we know and appreciate the

great responsibility that rests with us when trying to help our members, which

I think we do to be very best of our ability. We encourage our members also to

'shout' when they have any particular problem they need sorting or questions to

ask to enable them to get the answers the require, but meanwhile, I would

suggest that you spend a little time reading the information in our FILES

section, looking through the many links we post to good information, read all the

information which we have spent time researching and we make freely available

in our web site www.tpa-uk.org.uk. Whether

members choose to check this information out or not up to them .

Luv - Sheila

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HOW TO TREAT WITH NATURAL THYROID EXTRACT.doc

[Guest guest]

Hi Becky

a'grain' is simply a unit of weight, like a pound, kilogram, ounce etc.

A grain is equivalent to 65mg of thyroid. if you look at a bottle of Armour,

say, you'll see that it says for instance 1 grain (60mg), you can also get 1/2

grain tablets, 1/4 grain tablets. so if someone says they're on 3 grains

thyroid a day, it doesn't mean they're on 3 thyroid tablets (as these could be

any strength-ie 3x 1/4 grain, 3x5 grain!), but approx 180mg of thyroid.

I think the US measurement of a grain is slightly different, just like a US

gallon is different to an imperial one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_(unit)

Chris

>

> Hi, I am a bit confused as to the dosage of NDT as in the past people have

talked about the 'normal' amount of dosage, in grains (as tablets), as being 2

grains of NDT, what I have recently thought, as no-one has enlightened me before

about this, is that each grain has a different strength, i.e. some are 30mg some

are 60mg and others are 125g, so why is it that I was told to take about 2 or

three grains of NDT when no-one told me what strength the grains should be?

[Guest guest]

Hi Andy, thanks very much indeed for your reply to my question you have answered

everything, I now know after months of being on this site what is going on.

Thank you very much indeed.

Hi..Different NDT tablets might have different strengths but a grain of NDT is

always 60mg..multiply or subtract tablet strength in milligrams for equivalent

grain strength..ie 30mg NDT=half a grain..60mg NDT=one grain..120mg NDT=two

grains

Hope this helps..

Andy

greenbecky30@> wrote:

Hi, I am a bit confused as to the dosage of NDT as in the past people have

talked about the 'normal' amount of dosage, in grains (as tablets), as being 2

grains of NDT, what I have recently thought, as no-one has enlightened me before

about this, is that each grain has a different strength?

[Guest guest]

Hi thanks for telling me this, I think I need waking up. I have been

through a lot lately with my father dying suddenly a year ago and then my mother

recently been diagnosed with cancer, and trying to balance everything together

whilst trying to do a degree is a bit impossible sometimes. Thanks.

Hi Becky

a'grain' is simply a unit of weight, like a pound, kilogram, ounce etc.

A grain is equivalent to 65mg of thyroid. if you look at a bottle of Armour,

say, you'll see that it says for instance 1 grain (60mg), you can also get 1/2

grain tablets, 1/4 grain tablets. so if someone says they're on 3 grains

thyroid a day, it doesn't mean they're on 3 thyroid tablets (as these could be

any strength-ie 3x 1/4 grain, 3x5 grain!), but approx 180mg of thyroid.

Chris

greenbecky30@> wrote:

Hi, I am a bit confused as to the dosage of NDT as in the past people have

talked about the 'normal' amount of dosage, in grains (as tablets), as being 2

grains of NDT.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila, I just wanted to say that I was a bit ill yesterday (Sunday) as I

accidently took a double dose of Erfa in the morning, I was half asleep and

couldn't remember if I took it or not so in fact I ended up taking 10 grains of

Erfa. I was and still am today feeling 'nervous' and 'jittery' as I made this

mistake, I only took 3 grains (1 grain 60mg, yes I know now - sorry!) this

morning but I think I shouldn't have taken anything at all, tomorrow I think

I'll miss it altogether. Ann

Not sure where you are coming from with this Becky as all the information

you are asking is available on this forum web site and has been for years.

> Hi, I am a bit confused as to the dosage of NDT as in the past people have

> talked about the 'normal' amount of dosage, in grains (as tablets), as being

> 2 grains of NDT, what I have recently thought, experienced

> after another 3 weeks. I think you are getting your sources of information

> mixed up. You could have saved yourself a lot of problems had you checked

> the Files section out first.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Becky..I think you need to step back & reassess where you are heading with your health..with all the stress in your life at the moment it's easy to see how you made a mistake regarding NDT dosage,the important thing is to learn from your mistake & move forward to the ultimate goal we all strive for..vibrant health & the ability to live a full & happy life.Perhaps it would be a good idea re-post your medical history & tests performed to make sure you are heading in the right direction..read everything you can in the files section,purchase a few books on thyroid/adrenal health..three of my favorites are Stop The Thyroid Madness,Your Thyroid & How To Keep It Healthy,Adrenal Fatigue The 21st Century Stress Syndrome..I know when in the grips of brain-fog hell it's difficult to research & retain information,but self education is empowering & truly the best way forward.I have found the people here to be extremely helpful & caring,tap into the wealth of experience on offer..remember if unsure of anything don't be shy,people here will only be too happy to offer support & guidance.Best wishes....~Andy~I have been through a lot lately with my father dying suddenly a year ago and then my mother recently been diagnosed with cancer, and trying to balance everything together whilst trying to do a degree is a bit impossible sometimes. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

This sometimes happens Ann but it really is best in such a case

to split your weekly dose into 7 little pill boxes so you would know later in

the day whether you had taken that days dose or not. The T3 at such a high dose

would indeed have given you the symptoms of hyperthyroidism. In such a case of

taking too much, the following day you should take no thyroid hormone

replacement at all. It is worrying that you made two mistakes though, one

taking double your dose one day and the next taking your ordinary dose the next

day, when we make it clear what our members should do if they take too much T3.

This could be an indication that your medication needs titrating as what you

are taking may not be optimal for you.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila, I just wanted to say that I was a

bit ill yesterday (Sunday) as I accidently took a double dose of Erfa in the

morning, I was half asleep and couldn't remember if I took it or not so in fact

I ended up taking 10 grains of Erfa. I was and still am today feeling 'nervous'

and 'jittery' as I made this mistake, I only took 3 grains (1 grain 60mg, yes I

know now - sorry!) this morning but I think I shouldn't have taken anything at

all, tomorrow I think I'll miss it altogether. Ann

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