Re: Help- on erfa but some symptoms returning?

[Guest guest]

The kelp is high in iodine. While in the short term you may feel a bit better on it, it can be very dangerous. This is particularly so when one has hashimotos. Please stop the kelp. It is making your thyroid produce hormones and if you have hashimotos then the antibodies will attack the thyroid thus causing all the symptoms to return and then some.

Stop the kelp and let us know if you feel any better.

Onward!~Mari~

In a message dated 2/15/2011 9:43:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, montgomery106261@... writes:

Hypo nearly 2 yrs, been on ERFA, 1 to 1 and a half 60 mg tabs per day, now starting to feel generally tired, stiff/achey, chronic low back pain, 'can't be bothered' feeling.....TSH recently tested and fine.Take ferrograd C (intermittently) ferritin around 100 when last tested few months back. -what could be going on? Also started kelp tablets maybe these should stop??

[Guest guest]

Mari, IODINE doesn't harm hashimoto's, it heals it. I recommend the Iodine group

to you for more information on this subject.

As far as the iodine in kelp, there isn't enough in it to give much help in the

body. We do not support taking kelp because it is generally contamined because

our oceans are contaminated. If you have hashimoto's, I suggest the IODINE site

for information on healing Hashi's with IODINE. This group is extremely

knowledgeable about IODINE.

>

> Cheers,

> JOT

> The kelp is high in iodine. While in the short term you may feel a bit

> better on it, it can be very dangerous. This is particularly so when one has

> hashimotos. Please stop the kelp. It is making your thyroid produce

> hormones and if you have hashimotos then the antibodies will attack the

> thyroid thus causing all the symptoms to return and then some.

>

> Stop the kelp and let us know if you feel any better.

>

> Onward!

>

> ~Mari~

>

[Guest guest]

You may need to find out whether you are suffering with one of

the other conditions that goes along with symptoms of hypothyroidism that can

stop the thyroid hormone being properly utilised at cellular level. I have

attached a document that you should read and go through these as a process of

elimination. If there is the possibility you might be suffering with one of

them, then you need to get properly tested and start whatever treatment is

required. Only then will the thyroid hormone start to work.

The other obvious reason is that you probably need an increase

in your Erfa and you could try adding another half grain and staying on it for

the next three weeks to see if that helps. You should actually keep increasing

your dose by half a grain every three weeks to find the dose your body requires

and you find this out when one morning, after you have taken a new increase, a

couple or so hours after that, you will probably get palpitations, feel spaced

out and strange, rather agitated, sweaty and dizzy. These are some of the

symptoms of hyperthyroidism. This is because you have now taken too much. The feeling

subsides gradually, but don't take any more Erfa that day. The following day,

go back to the dose you were on before that last increase and that is what your

body usually needs for the rest of your life.

Are you taking your Erfa split twice a day?

You don't need to take any iron supplements with a ferritin

level of 100 - that's fine.

Luv - Sheila

Hypo nearly 2 yrs, been on ERFA, 1 to 1 and a

half 60 mg tabs per day, now starting to feel generally tired, stiff/achey,

chronic low back pain, 'can't be bothered' feeling.....TSH recently tested and

fine.

Take ferrograd C (intermittently) ferritin around 100 when last tested few

months back. -what could be going on? Also started kelp tablets maybe these

should stop??

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

Many thanks for reply - I can't seem to see attachment tho, prob. just me being dense, please advise!

I don't split my ERFA dose at present - presumably I should be?

Thanks again

Sue x

[Guest guest]

If you read from the web site, you won't find an attachment,

this only comes in Individual Emails. However, the document I was referring to

that I 'attached' is below…..and yes, it is best to split your Erfa dose

because the T3 portion of it has a very short half life, and after about 6/7

hours you feel the effect of it leaving your system and you can become suddenly

tired late afternoon. Splitting the dose means it keeps your engine running.

Luv - Sheila

WHY THYROID HORMONE REPLACEMENT MAY NOT BE WORKING FOR YOU

There are MANY

reasons and many medical conditions associated with thyroid disease that stop

thyroid hormone from getting into the cells, where it does its work. I mention

these over and over and over again - ad nauseum - people must be bored with the

same old, same old but as each new member joins us, they need to know.

The

main condition responsible for stopping thyroid hormone from working, is, quite

simply, a patients thyroxine dose is too low because the doctor or consultant

refuses to increase it, because the serum thyroid function test results appear

OK. Sometimes, the thyroxine dose is too high, yet patients still don't feel

well. They continue to suffer. Some reasons for this:

They may be suffering

with low adrenal reserve. The production of T4, its conversion to T3, and the

receptor uptake requires a normal amount of adrenal hormones, notably, of

course, cortisone. (Excess cortisone can shut production down, however.) This

is what happens if the adrenals are not responding properly, and provision of

cortisone usually switches it on again. But sometimes it

doesn’t. If the illness has been going on for a long time, the

enzyme seems to fail. This conversion failure (inexplicably denied by

many endocrinologists) means the thyroxine builds up, unconverted. So it

doesn’t work, and T4 toxicosis results. This makes the patient feel quite

unwell, toxic, often with palpitations and chest pain. If provision of adrenal

support doesn’t remedy the situation, the final solution is the use of

the active thyroid hormone, already converted, T3 - either synthetic or

natural.

Then, we have

systemic candidiasis. This is where candida albicans, a yeast, which causes

skin infections almost anywhere in the body, invades the lining of the lower

part of the small intestine and the large intestine. Here, the candida

sets up residence in the warmth and the dark, and demands to be fed.

Loving sugars and starches, candida can make you suffer terrible sweet cravings.

Candida can produce toxins which can cause very many symptoms of exhaustion,

headache, general illness, and which interfere with the uptake of thyroid and

adrenal treatment. Sometimes the levels - which we usually test for - can

be very high, and make successful treatment difficult to achieve until

adequately treated.

Then there is

receptor resistance which could be a culprit. Being hypothyroid for some

considerable time may mean the biochemical mechanisms which permit the binding

of T3 to the receptors, is downgraded - so the T3 won’t go in. With

slow build up of T3, with full adrenal support and adequate vitamins and

minerals, the receptors do come on line again. But this can be quite a

slow process, and care has to be taken to build the dose up gradually.

And then there are

Food allergies. The most common food allergy is allergy to gluten, the protein

fraction of wheat. The antibody generated by the body, by a process of

molecular mimicry, cross reacts with the thyroperoxidase enzyme, (which makes

thyroxine) and shuts it down. So allergy to bread can make you

hypothyroid. There may be other food allergies with this kind of effect, but

information on these is scanty. Certainly allergic response to certain

foods can affect adrenal function and imperil thyroid production and uptake.

Then we have hormone

imbalances. The whole of the endocrine system is linked; each part of it needs

the other parts to be operating normally to work properly. An example of

this we have seen already, with cortisone. But another example is the

operation of sex hormones. The imbalance that occurs at the menopause

with progesterone running down, and a relative dominance of oestrogen is a

further case in point – oestrogen dominance downgrades production,

transportation and uptake of thyroid hormones. This is why hypothyroidism

may first appear at the menopause; the symptoms ascribed to this alone, which

is then treated – often with extra oestrogen, making the whole thing

worse. Deficiency in progesterone most especially needs to be dealt with,

since it reverses oestrogen dominance, improves many menopausal symptoms like

sweats and mood swings, and reverses osteoporosis. Happily natural

progesterone cream is easily obtained: when used it has the added benefit of

helping to stabilise adrenal function.

Then, we must never

forget the possibility of mercury poisoning (through amalgam fillings) - low

levels of ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper and zinc

- all of which, if low, stop the thyroid hormone from being utilised by the

cells - these have to be treated.

As Dr Peatfield says

" When you have been quite unwell for a long time, all these problems have

to be dealt with; and since each may affect the other, it all has to be done

rather carefully.

Contrary

to cherished beliefs by much of the medical establishment, the correction of a

thyroid deficiency state has a number of complexities and variables, which make

the treatment usually quite specific for each person. The balancing of

these variables is as much up to you as to me – which is why a check of

morning, day and evening temperatures and pulse rates, together with symptoms,

good and bad, can be so helpful.

Many

of you have been ill for a long time, either because you have not been

diagnosed, or the treatment leaves you still quite unwell. Those of you

who have relatively mild hypothyroidism, and have been diagnosed relatively

quickly, may well respond to synthetic thyroxine, the standard treatment.

I am therefore unlikely to see you; since if the thyroxine proves satisfactory

in use, it is merely a question of dosage.

For

many of you, the outstanding problem is not that the diagnosis has not been

made – although, extraordinarily, this is disgracefully common –

but that is has, and the thyroxine treatment doesn’t work. The dose

has been altered up and down, and clinical improvement is variable and

doesn’t last, in spite of blood tests, which say you are perfectly all

right (and therefore you are actually depressed and need this fine antidepressant).

The

above problems must be eliminated if thyroid hormone isn't working for you.

Hi Sheila

Many thanks for reply - I can't seem to see attachment tho,

prob. just me being dense, please advise!

I don't split my ERFA dose at present - presumably I should be?

Thanks again

Sue x